Dan/W4NTI wrote:
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Dee Flint wrote:

I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators.
On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of
the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv


BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical in
nature way back in the early 60s.

Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you
said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments?

And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode.

Dan/W4NTI

If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW
used most often?

bb wrote:

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

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Dee Flint wrote:


I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators.
On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of
the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv


BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical in
nature way back in the early 60s.


Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you
said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments?


And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode.

Dan/W4NTI


If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW
used most often?

It is used, "bb", but ops are attempting to maximize score by working
everyone, even those not using CW. I switch modes quite often during
the course of a VHF/UHF contest. During heavy aurora, CW works much
better than SSB. I'd have thought you'd have already known it.

Dave K8MN

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bb wrote:

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

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Dee Flint wrote:


I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician
operators.
On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are
all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of
the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv


BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical
in
nature way back in the early 60s.


Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you
said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments?


And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode.

Dan/W4NTI


If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW
used most often?

It is used, "bb", but ops are attempting to maximize score by working
everyone, even those not using CW. I switch modes quite often during the
course of a VHF/UHF contest. During heavy aurora, CW works much better
than SSB. I'd have thought you'd have already known it.

Dave K8MN


In one case the other station wasn't hearing me through the pile up (SSB) so
I switched to CW and threw in the call sign. He immediately called for me
(in voice) so I switched back to voice to do the contact. Worked pretty
slick.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:


I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician operators.
On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of
the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv


BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical in
nature way back in the early 60s.


Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you
said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments?


And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode.

Dan/W4NTI


If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW
used most often?

It is used, "bb", but ops are attempting to maximize score by working
everyone, even those not using CW. I switch modes quite often during
the course of a VHF/UHF contest. During heavy aurora, CW works much
better than SSB. I'd have thought you'd have already known it.

Dave K8MN

Dee made it sound like Extras were working Extras on SSB. I guess it
wasn't at all like Dee claimed.

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Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:


I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician
operators.
On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are
all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't"
pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of
the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv


BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical
in
nature way back in the early 60s.


Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you
said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments?


And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode.

Dan/W4NTI


If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW
used most often?

It is used, "bb", but ops are attempting to maximize score by working
everyone, even those not using CW. I switch modes quite often during
the course of a VHF/UHF contest. During heavy aurora, CW works much
better than SSB. I'd have thought you'd have already known it.

Dave K8MN

Dee made it sound like Extras were working Extras on SSB. I guess it
wasn't at all like Dee claimed.


You read way too much into the original post. I didn't mention mode.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
bb wrote:

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:


I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician
operators.
On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are
all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't"
pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of
the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv


BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical
in
nature way back in the early 60s.


Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you
said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments?


And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode.

Dan/W4NTI


If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW
used most often?

It is used, "bb", but ops are attempting to maximize score by working
everyone, even those not using CW. I switch modes quite often during
the course of a VHF/UHF contest. During heavy aurora, CW works much
better than SSB. I'd have thought you'd have already known it.

Dave K8MN

Dee made it sound like Extras were working Extras on SSB. I guess it
wasn't at all like Dee claimed.


You read way too much into the original post. I didn't mention mode.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

You're correct. Dan claimed the mode most often used was SSB, not you.


So, in the interest of accuracy, can you give a breakout by mode and by
class?

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Dan/W4NTI wrote:

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Dee Flint wrote:


I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician
operators.
On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are
all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of
the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv


BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical
in
nature way back in the early 60s.


Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you
said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments?


And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode.

Dan/W4NTI


If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW
used most often?

It is used, "bb", but ops are attempting to maximize score by working
everyone, even those not using CW. I switch modes quite often during the
course of a VHF/UHF contest. During heavy aurora, CW works much better
than SSB. I'd have thought you'd have already known it.

Dave K8MN

Correct.....in fact I see CW activity INCREASING on VHF. At least 6
meters, which is all I have running, right now.

Years ago it was nearly impossible to get a CW contact on VHF. In fact a
lot of rigs, homebrew and/or commercial didn't even have a key jack in them.

I like seeing CW on VHF. I do like everyone else does, if their trying to
maximize QSO's, contest or otherwise. Both modes.

Dan/W4NTI

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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:

I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician
operators.
On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are
all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of
the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv


BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical
in
nature way back in the early 60s.

Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you
said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments?

And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode.

Dan/W4NTI

If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW
used most often?


How do you know it wasn't/isn't? I worked a fair number of stations on CW
in that contest.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:

I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician
operators.
On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are
all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of
the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv


BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical
in
nature way back in the early 60s.

Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you
said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments?

And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode.

Dan/W4NTI

If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW
used most often?


How do you know it wasn't/isn't? I worked a fair number of stations on CW
in that contest.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I only know what you told us. Extra's working Extras on SSB.

Dee Flint wrote:
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:

I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician
operators.
On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are
all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

It's Techs being Techs again, they're too busy "advancing the state of
the art" to be bothered with learning the code and contesting.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv


BWAHHHHHHHHH....we both know the "Tech" license stopped being technical
in
nature way back in the early 60s.

Dan, I've never seen you advocating "Truth in Licensing." Have you
said as much to the FCC in any of your NPRM comments?

And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode.

Dan/W4NTI

If most of the VHF/UHF Contestors are Extra's as Dee says, why isn't CW
used most often?


How do you know it wasn't/isn't? I worked a fair number of stations on CW
in that contest.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Because Dan said, "And MOST VHF/UHF contesting is done in SSB mode."

Was Dan wrong?

You know, you and David Heil K8MN ought to let Dan answer the questions
that I asked of Dan instead of jumping in here and getting it wrong.

Best of Luck.