Who needs the ARRL, anyway?
 

The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?

"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote in message
...
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is
self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs
in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee?
A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections
of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if
the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it
is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL
cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life
Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better
things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice
the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak
with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?



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Who Needs The ARRL? wrote:
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?

That's just twitlips convincing himself and nobody else that he can
write. The queenboy aint even a ham.

ONLY GAME IN TOWN

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:14:19 -0700, AKC owns this NG wrote:



Who Needs The ARRL? wrote:

I'm surprised you found the news groups since you seem too stupid to
understand that the ARRL does...

--
Korbin Dallas
The name was changed to protect the guilty.

Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.

Tim

Who Needs The ARRL? wrote:

Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

You don't have to be an ARRL member to vote on proposed rule changes,
but I guess a troll wouldn't know that.

Tim wrote:
Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.

Tim



Have you seen it? How many? Where were they? What highway? How do you
know they were chasing trucks?

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Who Needs The ARRL? wrote:

Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if
the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

You don't have to be an ARRL member to vote on proposed rule changes,
but I guess a troll wouldn't know that.


Read the post again, this time without moving your lips. Nowhere did it
state that one must be an ARRL member in order to vote on proposed rule
changes.

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
Tim wrote:

Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.

Tim



Have you seen it? How many? Where were they? What highway? How do you
know they were chasing trucks?


And whats the deal with 50 and 60 y.o. men anyhow? That's the age when
people become president, move into the upper management positions, and
generally run things....

sunnavagun!


- Mike KB3EIA -

james wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
wrote:


+Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
+all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
+drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
+of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.
+
+Tim

******

Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning
discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care
and how much mobility they have lost.

james

So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen?

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:47:32 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:

sunnavagun!


- Mike KB3EIA -

Wow. He has a copyright on "sunnavagun" I'll bet; or maybe a it's an
obsession. Either way, he sure thinks he's being perspicacious while
everyone else thinks he's being repetitious.

Get a new word, Droid.

Lloyd wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:47:32 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:

sunnavagun!


- Mike KB3EIA -


Wow. He has a copyright on "sunnavagun" I'll bet; or maybe a it's an
obsession. Either way, he sure thinks he's being perspicacious while
everyone else thinks he's being repetitious.

Get a new word, Droid.

Hans has the copyright!

Sunnavagun!

- Mike KB3EIA -

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
wrote:

+Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
+all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
+drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
+of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.
+
+Tim
******

Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning
discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care
and how much mobility they have lost.

james

running dogg wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:


james wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
wrote:



+Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
+all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
+drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
+of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.
+
+Tim

******

Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning
discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care
and how much mobility they have lost.

james

So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen?


I, personally, would be bored silly-probably a main reason why I never
felt motivated to become a ham. (I'm posting from rec.radio.shortwave.)

Well, if you were listening to something that boring to you, you
probably have enough sense to change to another repeater or turn the
radio off. James evidently can't do that. (I'm posting from my chair).

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:

james wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
wrote:


+Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
+all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
+drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
+of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.
+
+Tim

******

Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning
discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care
and how much mobility they have lost.

james

So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen?

I, personally, would be bored silly-probably a main reason why I never
felt motivated to become a ham. (I'm posting from rec.radio.shortwave.)


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beerbarrel wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?"
JIm@GuessWho wrote:

The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?




So, what is your stance? Seems like you think they should be done away
with? Is that true?

What is your recommendation for a replacement? Do you have any
solution at all?

If you are not a part of the solution then you are part of the
problem! I love folks that whine and cry. It is usually what they do
best.

Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has
these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL
without having something better to replace it.

The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer
younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby
won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur
radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:20:35 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey
wrote:

+james wrote:
+ On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
+ wrote:
+
+
++Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
++all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
++drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
++of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.
++
++Tim
+
+ ******
+
+ Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning
+ discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care
+ and how much mobility they have lost.
+
+ james
+
+So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen?
*******

No. I laughed through the whole thing.

james

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:01:43 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey
wrote:

+Well, if you were listening to something that boring to you, you
+probably have enough sense to change to another repeater or turn the
+radio off. James evidently can't do that. (I'm posting from my chair).
*****

Actually found it boring and funny in a wierd way.

I guess at 7:30 am while drinking my coffee, I had nothing better to
do myself.

james

james wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:01:43 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey
wrote:


+Well, if you were listening to something that boring to you, you
+probably have enough sense to change to another repeater or turn the
+radio off. James evidently can't do that. (I'm posting from my chair).

*****

Actually found it boring and funny in a wierd way.

I guess at 7:30 am while drinking my coffee, I had nothing better to
do myself.

james

You must lead a boring life.

Dave Holford wrote:
One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.



Double the 'frequency' ??


What do you expect from a cber?

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.


Double the 'frequency' ??

"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote

The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse
to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double
the frequency, double the elitism.

Damn, and here I thought that the 20M band was at about half the frequency of
the 10M band. Did those rascals at ARRL go and change that too? Where on the
dial can I now find my 20M buddies, up in the old 5M band? I thought we'd lost
that band way back in the 40's.

dit dit
de Hans, K0HB

John S. wrote:
beerbarrel wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?"
JIm@GuessWho wrote:

The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?




So, what is your stance? Seems like you think they should be done away
with? Is that true?

What is your recommendation for a replacement? Do you have any
solution at all?

If you are not a part of the solution then you are part of the
problem! I love folks that whine and cry. It is usually what they do
best.

Break

Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has
these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL
without having something better to replace it.

The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer
younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby
won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur
radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's.

and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them

I have again written to Headquarter regarding their stand on CC&R. I was a
hot issue with them but now nothing but silence on this very important issue
for amateurs.


"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote in message
...
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is
self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs
in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee?
A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections
of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if
the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it
is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL
cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life
Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better
things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice
the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak
with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote:

The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?

Well, other than reading their website or using their books to pass an exam, I
know little about them. But it seems they run the show, and are very powerful.
Sometimes, they are better off having 2 of these type organizations. But one is
better than none.

Vinnie S.

an_old_friend wrote:
John S. wrote:
beerbarrel wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?"
JIm@GuessWho wrote:
Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has
these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL
without having something better to replace it.

The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer
younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby
won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur
radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's.

and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them

I doubt that the ARRL will **** off the folks that it reaches out to.
Sadly it will probably continue to bore those potential new members.
The ARRL may (and should) **** off the complacent members who cling to
the idea that out of date license tests should continue to be required
because the old-timers had to take them.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:15:47 GMT, RJ wrote:

I have again written to Headquarter regarding their stand on CC&R. I was a
hot issue with them but now nothing but silence on this very important issue
for amateurs.

The only solution to that is to get The Congress to pass the bill
that has been introduced three times to assert Federal jurisdiction
and get the problem solved (I deal with CC&R cases professionally).
The Congress stonewalls it every time. Few if any states even want
to touch it.

What do YOU suggest?

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Actually, you doped up drunk, it is a good thing. When a keyclown loses
his job cuz he is a keyclown then a step is taken toward overall
keyclown eradication.

He doesn't have a mom...the cocker spaniel who voided its' bowels to
create him got hit by a car.

The original poster is jealous because they are heterosexual 50 and 60
year old men who won't bother with his wristflipping idiocy.

"John S." wrote in message
oups.com...
an_old_friend wrote:
John S. wrote:
beerbarrel wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?"
JIm@GuessWho wrote:
Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has
these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL
without having something better to replace it.

The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer
younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby
won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur
radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's.

and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them

I doubt that the ARRL will **** off the folks that it reaches out to.
Sadly it will probably continue to bore those potential new members.
The ARRL may (and should) **** off the
complacent members who cling to
the idea that out of date license tests should continue to be required
because the old-timers had to take them.

Are you suggesting there should not be any testing?

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:03:35 -0400, beerbarrel
wrote:

Agreed 110%...but most posts that you see are about the problems with
ARRL. I realize that it has problems, but it would be best to see
these folks directing their attention at rectifying the situation.
Bottom line, it's all we got. If it's broke, let's fix it.

.... or replace it.