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ups.com... Note the date. http://tinyurl.com/bg5gc 73 de Jim, N2EY It was never about CW/Morse code, just the effort required to learn it. Requiring anything for which there is no open question/answer pool will generate the same bellyaching, including the Smith Chart. -- Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI FISTS #9384/CC #1736 QRP ARCI #11782 |
Bert:
Interesting idea. No question pools!!! Maybe apply that same principal to colleges. Don't put any relevant material necessary to pass the course in the textbook. Then have the instructor NEVER speak of anything which will be on the test. Now that would be a real test of what the students know!!! Teach 'em nothing and make the test DAMN DIFFICULT! I just love the original ideas people come up with here... John "Bert Craig" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Note the date. http://tinyurl.com/bg5gc 73 de Jim, N2EY It was never about CW/Morse code, just the effort required to learn it. Requiring anything for which there is no open question/answer pool will generate the same bellyaching, including the Smith Chart. -- Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI FISTS #9384/CC #1736 QRP ARCI #11782 |
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Bert: Interesting idea. No question pools!!! Maybe apply that same principal to colleges. Don't put any relevant material necessary to pass the course in the textbook. Then have the instructor NEVER speak of anything which will be on the test. Now that would be a real test of what the students know!!! Teach 'em nothing and make the test DAMN DIFFICULT! I just love the original ideas people come up with here... John Jim/N2EY was the original "No Test International" proponent. But the Cecil/Jim proposal has a serious flaw. Few if any VE's have the ability to differentiate a right solution from a wrong solution. They might need to have look over their shoulder's. Hi! bb "Bert Craig" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Note the date. http://tinyurl.com/bg5gc 73 de Jim, N2EY It was never about CW/Morse code, just the effort required to learn it. Requiring anything for which there is no open question/answer pool will generate the same bellyaching, including the Smith Chart. It came down to a cost/benefit analysis. None of the services had the time or money to continue training people to emulate a modem. As an antiquated radio service, amateur radio can force people to do things that no other service is willing to do. |
Bert Craig wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Note the date. http://tinyurl.com/bg5gc 73 de Jim, N2EY It was never about CW/Morse code, just the effort required to learn it. the US Govt is not supoosed to engage in S&M as part of public policy Requiring anything for which there is no open question/answer pool will generate the same bellyaching, including the Smith Chart. -- Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI FISTS #9384/CC #1736 QRP ARCI #11782 |
From: "b.b." on Sun 24 Jul 2005 09:11
John Smith wrote: Bert: Interesting idea. No question pools!!! Maybe apply that same principal to colleges. Don't put any relevant material necessary to pass the course in the textbook. Then have the instructor NEVER speak of anything which will be on the test. Now that would be a real test of what the students know!!! Teach 'em nothing and make the test DAMN DIFFICULT! I just love the original ideas people come up with here... John Jim/N2EY was the original "No Test International" proponent. But the Cecil/Jim proposal has a serious flaw. Few if any VE's have the ability to differentiate a right solution from a wrong solution. Brian, ya have to cut "john smith" some slack in here...he hasn't seen the Battle Royals of the Mighty Macho Morsemen against the no-code-test forces of evil in older days. :-) Absolutely the BEST in my mind was the wonderfully-done parody of No Code International called "No SSB International" and 'sponsored' by Jim Kehler, KH2D. A whole website devoted to entirely destroying any no-code-test movements. Alas, no more "No SSB International" but NCI is still chugging right along. Kehler left Guam and moved to the states, hasn't been in here much, but his satirical bite can still be felt on his own little home page. Jimmie Noserve tried his best satirical rant with the "NTI" thing and drew a blank. He was trying to pick up on Smith Charts as a diatribe-weapon, falling short on his attempts at making such knowledge sound foolish. "Smith Charts" aren't ham lore. Smith Charts are a terrific aid in seeing solutions to complex impedances over frequency but Phil Smith's wonderful diagram came out of pre-WW2 testing of telephone lines! Telephony involves voice and the Mighty Macho Morsemen will have none of voice! That the entire RF industry picked up on Smith Charts, used them, even had the format hardwired into test instrumentation, is beside the point. Jimmie, a supposed professional in electronics, despises professionalism, the rest of the RF world, and any no-coder within spitting distance. They might need to have look over their shoulder's. Hi! BWAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Brian, I doubt there's enough money in the ARRL treasury to pay me for that task! :-) The FCC is NOT an academic organization and its "tests" are just regulatory tools, a part of the licensing process the FCC uses to regulate ALL of U.S. civil radio. It's no more than that...but lots and lots of hams are into the FANTASY that it shows some "expertise" in radio. Such test passings show ONLY that an individual has passed a few tests. Note: Some like to puff up their chests and say "they are authorized by the federal government(!)" as if they were junior G-men. Privatized radio operator testing is a part of NOW and has been for several years. [privatization of other government regulations has been the norm too] As such, multiple-choice questions are the logical choice for private testers...avoids the need for testing the testers on their ability to discern correct written responses from wrong ones. That avoids all the layering of beaurocracy that so many bitch about. The multiple-choice format has been around for decades and there's nothing actually wrong with it (except in the newsgroup environment where everyone seems to be an "expert" on testing). Further, the FCC only states that a MINIMUM of ten questions for each of the required questions per written test element for a class be generated. There is NO LIMIT on the maximum number! The questions (and answers) themselves left ENTIRELY up to the VEC Question Pool Committee. The VEC QPC is made up ONLY of licensed radio amateurs. By law. Those who **** and moan about "today's multiple-choice" need to contact the VEC QPC...their fellows in the 'amateur community.' Open Pools are NOT going away as long as privatized testing exists. All that "memorization" BS is just BS by the olde-tymers who probably haven't taken a single written test of any kind in over a decade (except maybe a driver's license thing, depending on their state). Could anyone "memorize" a thousand questions...along with the single correct answer against three other incorrect answers? Might be possible for stage actors, I don't know for sure. I'm only acquainted with a few TV and screen actors of less than stellar rank...they have learned to memorize dialogue LINES, at least enough for a day's shooting (perhaps 6 to 8 pages of standard-format script). So, given a thousand questions, a thousand correct answers, and three thousand incorrect answers, I doubt that all but a rare few eidetic-aptitude humans could "ace" such a test. That "memorization passing" excuse used by so many is just BS...BS of low quality at that, lots of smell but of little value. U.S. amateur radio is a HOBBY, not an occupation, not some vital service to the nation. I just wish that more would treat it as such instead of wandering off in the haze of their clouded imaginations about their "federal authorization" license and imagined self-importance. bit bit |
John Smith wrote:
Bert: Interesting idea. No question pools!!! Maybe apply that same principal to colleges. Don't put any relevant material necessary to pass the course in the textbook. Then have the instructor NEVER speak of anything which will be on the test. Now that would be a real test of what the students know!!! Teach 'em nothing and make the test DAMN DIFFICULT! I just love the original ideas people come up with here... John So just give the students a pool of questions, some of which will be on the test, then give them all the answers to those questions. Sure wouldn't want to be treated by an MD that passed his exams that way. |
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Bert: Interesting idea. No question pools!!! Maybe apply that same principal to colleges. Don't put any relevant material necessary to pass the course in the textbook. Then have the instructor NEVER speak of anything which will be on the test. Now that would be a real test of what the students know!!! Teach 'em nothing and make the test DAMN DIFFICULT! I just love the original ideas people come up with here... John break So just give the students a pool of questions, some of which will be on the test, then give them all the answers to those questions. Sure wouldn't want to be treated by an MD that passed his exams that way. don't go the docs in the US then |
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So, given a thousand questions, a thousand correct answers, and three thousand incorrect answers, I doubt that all but a rare few eidetic-aptitude humans could "ace" such a test. That "memorization passing" excuse used by so many is just BS...BS of low quality at that, lots of smell but of little value. But so far YOU can't pass a test with only 35 questions in it...So why the subterfuge about 1000...?!?! U.S. amateur radio is a HOBBY...(SNIP) Says who? The FCC doesn't. No where in Part 97 does the word "hobby" appear. Are there people who participate in Amateur Radio as a "HOBBY"...?!?! Certainly..just as there are people who participate in Emergency Medical Services, Search And Rescue, Meals-on-Wheels, etc for whatever personal gratification they can glean from it. That people do "have fun" does NOT negate the value of the Amateur Radio SERVICE as the disaster relief, emergency communications and health and welfare medium that it ALSO is. (UNSNIP)...not an occupation...(SNIP) It is to many. It provides jobs. (UNSNIP)...not some vital service to the nation. It is that too. That YOU don't think it is is irrelevent. I just wish that more would treat it as such instead of wandering off in the haze of their clouded imaginations about their "federal authorization" license and imagined self-importance. I am sure you DO wish that many would treat it that way. Then all of your rantings, musings and other mispent efforts herein would be justified. Sorry for you "they" don't, eh? Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: wrote: So, given a thousand questions, a thousand correct answers, and three thousand incorrect answers, I doubt that all but a rare few eidetic-aptitude humans could "ace" such a test. That "memorization passing" excuse used by so many is just BS...BS of low quality at that, lots of smell but of little value. But so far YOU can't pass a test with only 35 questions in it...So why the subterfuge about 1000...?!?! can't more libel stevie chooses not to I am sure he can U.S. amateur radio is a HOBBY...(SNIP) Says who? The FCC doesn't. No where in Part 97 does the word "hobby" appear. Are there people who participate in Amateur Radio as a "HOBBY"...?!?! Certainly..just as there are people who participate in Emergency Medical Services, Search And Rescue, Meals-on-Wheels, etc for whatever personal gratification they can glean from it. That people do "have fun" does NOT negate the value of the Amateur Radio SERVICE as the disaster relief, emergency communications and health and welfare medium that it ALSO is. Lenn never said that the ARS had No value, just not the value that many such as yourelf make out (UNSNIP)...not an occupation...(SNIP) It is to many. It provides jobs. (UNSNIP)...not some vital service to the nation. It is that too. That YOU don't think it is is irrelevent. I just wish that more would treat it as such instead of wandering off in the haze of their clouded imaginations about their "federal authorization" license and imagined self-importance. I am sure you DO wish that many would treat it that way. Then all of your rantings, musings and other mispent efforts herein would be justified. you certainly do you think it gives you powers beyond mortal men Sorry for you "they" don't, eh? Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
From: b.b. on Jul 25, 3:19 am
wrote: From: "b.b." on Sun 24 Jul 2005 09:11 John Smith wrote: Jimmie Noserve tried his best satirical rant with the "NTI" thing and drew a blank. He was trying to pick up on Smith Charts as a diatribe-weapon, falling short on his attempts at making such knowledge sound foolish. But I think Jim/N2EY worked hard at it. At least as hard as KH2D. Perhaps his mind isn't as efficient as Kehler's. I'll grant you that. Inefficiency may come from being stuck in a Time Warp of spirit back to the 20s and 30s of radio. "Smith Charts" aren't ham lore. Smith Charts are a terrific aid in seeing solutions to complex impedances over frequency but Phil Smith's wonderful diagram came out of pre-WW2 testing of telephone lines! Say it isn't so! Ah, but I have to tell the truth! Telephony involves voice and the Mighty Macho Morsemen will have none of voice! That the entire RF industry picked up on Smith Charts, used them, even had the format hardwired into test instrumentation, is beside the point. Jimmie, a supposed professional in electronics, despises professionalism, the rest of the RF world, and any no-coder within spitting distance. Or sputtering distance. Tsk. This newsgroup should come with a spitoon attached. :-) They might need to have look over their shoulder's. Hi! BWAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Brian, I doubt there's enough money in the ARRL treasury to pay me for that task! :-) It would be formidable... Well, I don't ask for too much. The ARRL's income (on their federal income tax for 2002) was a mere $12.5 million or so... The FCC is NOT an academic organization and its "tests" are just regulatory tools, a part of the licensing process the FCC uses to regulate ALL of U.S. civil radio. It's no more than that...but lots and lots of hams are into the FANTASY that it shows some "expertise" in radio. Such test passings show ONLY that an individual has passed a few tests. Paper chasers... Everything has to be documented until it comes time to back their claims. Then the fun begins! :-) Note: Some like to puff up their chests and say "they are authorized by the federal government(!)" as if they were junior G-men. As if??? "As if." Except for those that actually BOUGHT one of those fancy Ham Shields on sale! THOSE would be "true" radio cops! Junior G-Men Hams! "Out of the box!" [FedEx or UPS shipping box, that is...] "As if." I had a bite of a hoagie last week, brought back some of the Philly slang I heard...besides giving me indigestion...but I didn't get "gaz." :-) Privatized radio operator testing is a part of NOW and has been for several years. [privatization of other government regulations has been the norm too] As such, multiple-choice questions are the logical choice for private testers...avoids the need for testing the testers on their ability to discern correct written responses from wrong ones. That is the only way that it can work. Well, NOT according to the olde-tyme hammes read in here. THEY want a full two-semester course with Finals for the simplest class license...in order for newcomers to be as smart as they. :-) That avoids all the layering of beaurocracy that so many bitch about. The multiple-choice format has been around for decades and there's nothing actually wrong with it (except in the newsgroup environment where everyone seems to be an "expert" on testing). They are many, many things. And each and everyone is absolutely CORRECT and any fool that disagrees in the slightest with any of them is a "Putz" or worse... :-) Further, the FCC only states that a MINIMUM of ten questions for each of the required questions per written test element for a class be generated. There is NO LIMIT on the maximum number! The questions (and answers) themselves left ENTIRELY up to the VEC Question Pool Committee. The VEC QPC is made up ONLY of licensed radio amateurs. By law. And they can completely violate the Morse Code timing of elements. No wonder the FCC doesn't have a definition of Morse Code within the U.S. Statutes. Well, not a complete one for WORD RATE in the law. The referenced CCITT-to-ITU document on Telegraphy doesn't define RATE. Worse yet, that CCITT-to-ITU document reference is intended for COMMERCIAL telegraphy! :-) Those who **** and moan about "today's multiple-choice" need to contact the VEC QPC...their fellows in the 'amateur community.' Open Pools are NOT going away as long as privatized testing exists. All that "memorization" BS is just BS by the olde-tymers who probably haven't taken a single written test of any kind in over a decade (except maybe a driver's license thing, depending on their state). Some states have mandatory retesting for the elderly. California does not. :-) California drivers licenses do not require retesting for five years if there are no infractions of the Motor Vehicle Code on record for them. [more often depending on number of infractions] However, the FCC has totally stricken AGE from all amateur radio regulations. "Six year old extras" are a legal possibility! Could anyone "memorize" a thousand questions...along with the single correct answer against three other incorrect answers? Might be possible for stage actors, I don't know for sure. I'm only acquainted with a few TV and screen actors of less than stellar rank...they have learned to memorize dialogue LINES, at least enough for a day's shooting (perhaps 6 to 8 pages of standard-format script). Don't go giving them ideas. I can see at least one pretending to be a TV weatherman with one page of dialogue. Har! "Ron Burgundy" comes to mind...! :-) So, given a thousand questions, a thousand correct answers, and three thousand incorrect answers, I doubt that all but a rare few eidetic-aptitude humans could "ace" such a test. That "memorization passing" excuse used by so many is just BS...BS of low quality at that, lots of smell but of little value. They will claim that all new hams have photographic memories. It will be the only way of distinguishing themselves from the "riff-raff." THEY will always have excuses, rationales, etc., upon etc. :-) U.S. amateur radio is a HOBBY, not an occupation, not some vital service to the nation. I just wish that more would treat it as such instead of wandering off in the haze of their clouded imaginations about their "federal authorization" license and imagined self-importance. I consider it an important radio service that could be utilized in the service to nation. True enough! However, there are two takes on the "official phrases" in FCC regulations on that: 1. It is kind of a "standard boilerplate" political nice-nice phrase to justify a radio service existance. ["appreciation" letters sent by officials to hams, ham groups are in the same category, but to say so out loud is to invoke total warfare by the ham faithfull!] 2. There is SOME truth to it, however small the actual incidents of "service to the nation [community]" are. The ARRL long ago picked up on (2), disregarded (1), and pitched it constantly to anyone reading. Nice-nice words that most hams took to emotionally. They WANTED to hear such things in order to justify their hobby to others...and perhaps to themselves. It made them feel IMPORTANT! But I doubt that every single citizen or government agency can be guaranteed emergency communications via amateur radio, no matter what the MMM would have you think. True enough also! However, the Mighty Macho Morsemen still dream about "saving lives" a la the Titanic disaster, all done with that morse code stuff. It is part of the fabric of their existance. Fabric tailored for them by the PR troops in Newington. In any other venue such would be called "brainwashing." But not here, no sir, it is what they live for... dit dot |
an old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: So, given a thousand questions, a thousand correct answers, and three thousand incorrect answers, I doubt that all but a rare few eidetic-aptitude humans could "ace" such a test. That "memorization passing" excuse used by so many is just BS...BS of low quality at that, lots of smell but of little value. But so far YOU can't pass a test with only 35 questions in it...So why the subterfuge about 1000...?!?! can't more libel stevie chooses not to What libel? I am sure he can Sure I can WHAT...?!?! U.S. amateur radio is a HOBBY...(SNIP) Says who? The FCC doesn't. No where in Part 97 does the word "hobby" appear. Are there people who participate in Amateur Radio as a "HOBBY"...?!?! Certainly..just as there are people who participate in Emergency Medical Services, Search And Rescue, Meals-on-Wheels, etc for whatever personal gratification they can glean from it. That people do "have fun" does NOT negate the value of the Amateur Radio SERVICE as the disaster relief, emergency communications and health and welfare medium that it ALSO is. Lenn never said that the ARS had No value, just not the value that many such as yourelf make out Sure he has. He's done it over and over. (UNSNIP)...not an occupation...(SNIP) It is to many. It provides jobs. (UNSNIP)...not some vital service to the nation. It is that too. That YOU don't think it is is irrelevent. I just wish that more would treat it as such instead of wandering off in the haze of their clouded imaginations about their "federal authorization" license and imagined self-importance. I am sure you DO wish that many would treat it that way. Then all of your rantings, musings and other mispent efforts herein would be justified. you certainly do you think it gives you powers beyond mortal men You need to re-read my paragraph, Markie, then re-read YOUR reply...If you are even 1/100th the "man" you claim to be, try to be a bit objective and figure out why your reply doesn't even come anywhere close to sounding reasonably germane. Then come back after I've finished laughing at you...Again... Steve, K4YZ Sorry for you "they" don't, eh? Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: an old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: So, given a thousand questions, a thousand correct answers, and three thousand incorrect answers, I doubt that all but a rare few eidetic-aptitude humans could "ace" such a test. That "memorization passing" excuse used by so many is just BS...BS of low quality at that, lots of smell but of little value. But so far YOU can't pass a test with only 35 questions in it...So why the subterfuge about 1000...?!?! can't more libel stevie chooses not to What libel? you state that Len can't pass that is libel stevie I am sure he can Sure I can WHAT...?!?! you can no read the post He can Lenn since you can't follow the proper use of pronouns more of your arrogance Stevie U.S. amateur radio is a HOBBY...(SNIP) Says who? The FCC doesn't. No where in Part 97 does the word "hobby" appear. Are there people who participate in Amateur Radio as a "HOBBY"...?!?! Certainly..just as there are people who participate in Emergency Medical Services, Search And Rescue, Meals-on-Wheels, etc for whatever personal gratification they can glean from it. That people do "have fun" does NOT negate the value of the Amateur Radio SERVICE as the disaster relief, emergency communications and health and welfare medium that it ALSO is. Lenn never said that the ARS had No value, just not the value that many such as yourelf make out Sure he has. nope He's done it over and over. only in your distortions Indeed he adkonwledges the role of the ARS further up in this thread (UNSNIP)...not an occupation...(SNIP) It is to many. It provides jobs. (UNSNIP)...not some vital service to the nation. It is that too. That YOU don't think it is is irrelevent. I just wish that more would treat it as such instead of wandering off in the haze of their clouded imaginations about their "federal authorization" license and imagined self-importance. I am sure you DO wish that many would treat it that way. Then all of your rantings, musings and other mispent efforts herein would be justified. you certainly do you think it gives you powers beyond mortal men You need to re-read my paragraph, Markie, then re-read YOUR reply...If you are even 1/100th the "man" you claim to be, try to be a bit objective and figure out why your reply doesn't even come anywhere close to sounding reasonably germane. it is quite germane you and other of MMM claim amzing powers for the ARS. The ARS does provide usefull serivce esp in getting a lot stuff off the plates of the Cops and/or military (depends on the incident) but no way the saves the day The ARS makes a real and mojor difference for those people it helps , but the disasters remain much the same with or without us Then come back after I've finished laughing at you...Again... you mean wiat a few years don't you Steve, K4YZ Sorry for you "they" don't, eh? Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: From: b.b. on Jul 25, 3:19 am wrote: From: "b.b." on Sun 24 Jul 2005 09:11 John Smith wrote: Jimmie Noserve tried his best satirical rant with the "NTI" thing and drew a blank. He was trying to pick up on Smith Charts as a diatribe-weapon, falling short on his attempts at making such knowledge sound foolish. But I think Jim/N2EY worked hard at it. At least as hard as KH2D. Perhaps his mind isn't as efficient as Kehler's. I'll grant you that. Inefficiency may come from being stuck in a Time Warp of spirit back to the 20s and 30s of radio. I love hearing of amateur radio's contributions during WWII. "Smith Charts" aren't ham lore. Smith Charts are a terrific aid in seeing solutions to complex impedances over frequency but Phil Smith's wonderful diagram came out of pre-WW2 testing of telephone lines! Say it isn't so! Ah, but I have to tell the truth! Telephony involves voice and the Mighty Macho Morsemen will have none of voice! That the entire RF industry picked up on Smith Charts, used them, even had the format hardwired into test instrumentation, is beside the point. Jimmie, a supposed professional in electronics, despises professionalism, the rest of the RF world, and any no-coder within spitting distance. Or sputtering distance. Tsk. This newsgroup should come with a spitoon attached. :-) Now that's the next growth industry in amateur radio; spitoons and splash sheilds. They might need to have look over their shoulder's. Hi! BWAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Brian, I doubt there's enough money in the ARRL treasury to pay me for that task! :-) It would be formidable... Well, I don't ask for too much. The ARRL's income (on their federal income tax for 2002) was a mere $12.5 million or so... Plus expenses. The FCC is NOT an academic organization and its "tests" are just regulatory tools, a part of the licensing process the FCC uses to regulate ALL of U.S. civil radio. It's no more than that...but lots and lots of hams are into the FANTASY that it shows some "expertise" in radio. Such test passings show ONLY that an individual has passed a few tests. Paper chasers... Everything has to be documented until it comes time to back their claims. Then the fun begins! :-) They have no sense of humor at all when it comes to "thier" documentation. Note: Some like to puff up their chests and say "they are authorized by the federal government(!)" as if they were junior G-men. As if??? "As if." Except for those that actually BOUGHT one of those fancy Ham Shields on sale! THOSE would be "true" radio cops! But they wear that sheild on "thier" belt, partially obscured by "thier" jacket. The uninformed (and sometimes the uniformed) assume it's official in some capacity. Junior G-Men Hams! "Out of the box!" [FedEx or UPS shipping box, that is...] [or the Quaker Oats round box or the Altoids tin box or the Tuna Tin Two] "As if." I had a bite of a hoagie last week, brought back some of the Philly slang I heard...besides giving me indigestion...but I didn't get "gaz." :-) Too much information. Privatized radio operator testing is a part of NOW and has been for several years. [privatization of other government regulations has been the norm too] As such, multiple-choice questions are the logical choice for private testers...avoids the need for testing the testers on their ability to discern correct written responses from wrong ones. That is the only way that it can work. Well, NOT according to the olde-tyme hammes read in here. THEY want a full two-semester course with Finals for the simplest class license...in order for newcomers to be as smart as they. :-) They may say that, but in relity, the newcomers can never measure up to them. That avoids all the layering of beaurocracy that so many bitch about. The multiple-choice format has been around for decades and there's nothing actually wrong with it (except in the newsgroup environment where everyone seems to be an "expert" on testing). They are many, many things. And each and everyone is absolutely CORRECT and any fool that disagrees in the slightest with any of them is a "Putz" or worse... :-) In "thier" zeal to put down any disagreement, they show what disagreeable fellows they are. Further, the FCC only states that a MINIMUM of ten questions for each of the required questions per written test element for a class be generated. There is NO LIMIT on the maximum number! The questions (and answers) themselves left ENTIRELY up to the VEC Question Pool Committee. The VEC QPC is made up ONLY of licensed radio amateurs. By law. And they can completely violate the Morse Code timing of elements. No wonder the FCC doesn't have a definition of Morse Code within the U.S. Statutes. Well, not a complete one for WORD RATE in the law. The referenced CCITT-to-ITU document on Telegraphy doesn't define RATE. Worse yet, that CCITT-to-ITU document reference is intended for COMMERCIAL telegraphy! :-) And we know what commercial radio demands for a Morse Code Exam. Those who **** and moan about "today's multiple-choice" need to contact the VEC QPC...their fellows in the 'amateur community.' Open Pools are NOT going away as long as privatized testing exists. All that "memorization" BS is just BS by the olde-tymers who probably haven't taken a single written test of any kind in over a decade (except maybe a driver's license thing, depending on their state). Some states have mandatory retesting for the elderly. California does not. :-) California drivers licenses do not require retesting for five years if there are no infractions of the Motor Vehicle Code on record for them. [more often depending on number of infractions] However, the FCC has totally stricken AGE from all amateur radio regulations. "Six year old extras" are a legal possibility! ....Proven on RRAP every day. At least that's how old they act sometimes. Could anyone "memorize" a thousand questions...along with the single correct answer against three other incorrect answers? Might be possible for stage actors, I don't know for sure. I'm only acquainted with a few TV and screen actors of less than stellar rank...they have learned to memorize dialogue LINES, at least enough for a day's shooting (perhaps 6 to 8 pages of standard-format script). Don't go giving them ideas. I can see at least one pretending to be a TV weatherman with one page of dialogue. Har! "Ron Burgundy" comes to mind...! :-) Hmmmm? Ron Burgundy in a cast-off Air Force flight suit... So, given a thousand questions, a thousand correct answers, and three thousand incorrect answers, I doubt that all but a rare few eidetic-aptitude humans could "ace" such a test. That "memorization passing" excuse used by so many is just BS...BS of low quality at that, lots of smell but of little value. They will claim that all new hams have photographic memories. It will be the only way of distinguishing themselves from the "riff-raff." THEY will always have excuses, rationales, etc., upon etc. :-) Stand back and watch. U.S. amateur radio is a HOBBY, not an occupation, not some vital service to the nation. I just wish that more would treat it as such instead of wandering off in the haze of their clouded imaginations about their "federal authorization" license and imagined self-importance. I consider it an important radio service that could be utilized in the service to nation. True enough! However, there are two takes on the "official phrases" in FCC regulations on that: 1. It is kind of a "standard boilerplate" political nice-nice phrase to justify a radio service existance. ["appreciation" letters sent by officials to hams, ham groups are in the same category, but to say so out loud is to invoke total warfare by the ham faithfull!] 2. There is SOME truth to it, however small the actual incidents of "service to the nation [community]" are. The ARRL long ago picked up on (2), disregarded (1), and pitched it constantly to anyone reading. Nice-nice words that most hams took to emotionally. They WANTED to hear such things in order to justify their hobby to others...and perhaps to themselves. It made them feel IMPORTANT! It's a way for those who didn't serve to be able to hang "thier" hats on something and feel good. But I doubt that every single citizen or government agency can be guaranteed emergency communications via amateur radio, no matter what the MMM would have you think. True enough also! However, the Mighty Macho Morsemen still dream about "saving lives" a la the Titanic disaster, all done with that morse code stuff. It is part of the fabric of their existance. Fabric tailored for them by the PR troops in Newington. In any other venue such would be called "brainwashing." But not here, no sir, it is what they live for... dit dot I recall Larry Roll creating a scenario where only a MMM could respond effectively. Every "Shack on a Belt" so-called emergency communicator "wannabe" was useless in Larry's scenario. |
K4YZ wrote: wrote: So, given a thousand questions, a thousand correct answers, and three thousand incorrect answers, I doubt that all but a rare few eidetic-aptitude humans could "ace" such a test. That "memorization passing" excuse used by so many is just BS...BS of low quality at that, lots of smell but of little value. But so far YOU can't pass a test with only 35 questions in it...So why the subterfuge about 1000...?!?! You pass out medical diagnoses and yet you haven't taken the doctor test? Why dat? |
b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: So, given a thousand questions, a thousand correct answers, and three thousand incorrect answers, I doubt that all but a rare few eidetic-aptitude humans could "ace" such a test. That "memorization passing" excuse used by so many is just BS...BS of low quality at that, lots of smell but of little value. But so far YOU can't pass a test with only 35 questions in it...So why the subterfuge about 1000...?!?! You pass out medical diagnoses and yet you haven't taken the doctor test? haven't even taken the RN test Why dat? he is an MMM perhaps |
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