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request for follow up lenn
cuting here from another thread not disputing you but you have a
reference for the below ad not heard it and wanted to follow up on it Hold up example: The late Colonel Rudolph Abel of the KGB, under a cover name as an "artist" with a "hobby of amateur radio" operating in NYC around the late 1950s-early 1960s. His HF radio was used to send-receive encrypted information from the KGB. He was exchanged for Francis Gary Powers, the missle-shot-down pilot of a U-2. Abel used "one-time pads" for encipherment, virtually unbreakable by anything since the encryption key was obtained from natural random noise (or of "noisy" KGB clerk-typists)(take your pick). It's irrelevant whether Abel actually held any sort of amateur radio license (he probably had a cover for one, no details on that) but that was his cover excuse for having/using an HF radio when arrested. Amateur radio in espionage activities! Not a good PR thing but so long ago that most have forgotten it or never knew. The |
From: an old friend on Jul 29, 10:17 am
cuting here from another thread not disputing you but you have a reference for the below ad not heard it and wanted to follow up on it ================================================== =============== Hold up example: The late Colonel Rudolph Abel of the KGB, under a cover name as an "artist" with a "hobby of amateur radio" operating in NYC around the late 1950s-early 1960s. His HF radio was used to send-receive encrypted information from the KGB. He was exchanged for Francis Gary Powers, the missle-shot-down pilot of a U-2. Abel used "one-time pads" for encipherment, virtually unbreakable by anything since the encryption key was obtained from natural random noise (or of "noisy" KGB clerk-typists)(take your pick). It's irrelevant whether Abel actually held any sort of amateur radio license (he probably had a cover for one, no details on that) but that was his cover excuse for having/using an HF radio when arrested. Amateur radio in espionage activities! Not a good PR thing but so long ago that most have forgotten it or never knew. ================================================== =============== For a couple references on the above, the best one I have is David Kahn's "CODEBREAKERS, A History of Cryptography," a non-fiction best-seller of the 1960s. Been reprinted in soft-cover a couple times, once in hard-cover. Libraries would have it. A couple inches thick in hard-cover. The next reference is Francis Gary Powers' own biography. All of that happened during President Eisenhower's term over 40 years ago...at the time an embarrassment to the United States due to Eisenhower not admitting it at first. Headline stuff then, much press. A search of "Rudolph Abel" will turn up more on the 'web. Search also "one-time pads" for the method of encryption/decryption. The U-2 itself was made, but not fully assembled at Building 82 of Lockheed at (then) Burbank, CA, airport. It was a large hangar-plus-office-space building just off of Winona Avenue crossing the major north-south street of Hollywood Way in the east San Fernando Valley section of Los Angeles. Building 82 was referred to as "the Skunk Works" in reference to the "Lil Abner" comic strip and a local Burbank plastics factory nearby that used to emit stinky smells (long since moved). Heavy security outside but the building was in plain view (along with the building number sign) for many years to drivers on Hollywood Way. The Skunk Works was moved to Palmdale in the high desert years ago and all Lockheed Aircraft buildings have been razed at what is now Bob Hope Airport (formerly Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena Airport). I've never worked for Lockheed but have worked for a couple contractors who supplied avionics for Lockheed, desitined for installation in some Skunk Works program (which ranges from the original P-80 Shooting Star through the U-2 and through the SR-71 Blackbird and on into part of the F-22 engineering, plus a few smaller ones). As far as I know, many details of what went on at the Skunk Works and its aircraft are still "sensitive" even though lots of information on them have been made public. By the way, both the CIA and NSA have virtual museums on the Internet and considerable text on various newsworthy cases of espionage of the last 70+ years. There's also a history of military intelligence found at the Fort Huachuca, AZ, website. Fort Huachuca is the M.I. training center and also the UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle) "flight school." It's also the LAST place where the U.S. government teaches morse code cognition as part of military intelligence electronic intercept military occupation specialty training (four different categories), all branches plus civilian government workers. Needless to say, the morse code classes (all done by computer programs now) are NOT a large part of the M.I. school curriculum. dit dit |
an_old_friend:
Perhaps spread spectrum is used by spies, who knows, or sat links--we will always catch only the poorest of spies--undoubtedly they DO NOT represent the "good ones." But, most radio is a poor vector for spies, the internet is a much more viable medium... A true "random number generator" has escaped being ever realized in a practical form. The "random noise" from the background radiation of the universe comes very, very close. In computing, if a very high quality "random number generator" is needed, it will always be outboard (white noise generator.) No computer algorithm ever developed is able to generate REAL random numbers. Success is only measured in how close they can come to the ideal... .... the "noise" from a large number of typists keyboards might be close enough, although not perfectly random, for some applications... John "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... cuting here from another thread not disputing you but you have a reference for the below ad not heard it and wanted to follow up on it Hold up example: The late Colonel Rudolph Abel of the KGB, under a cover name as an "artist" with a "hobby of amateur radio" operating in NYC around the late 1950s-early 1960s. His HF radio was used to send-receive encrypted information from the KGB. He was exchanged for Francis Gary Powers, the missle-shot-down pilot of a U-2. Abel used "one-time pads" for encipherment, virtually unbreakable by anything since the encryption key was obtained from natural random noise (or of "noisy" KGB clerk-typists)(take your pick). It's irrelevant whether Abel actually held any sort of amateur radio license (he probably had a cover for one, no details on that) but that was his cover excuse for having/using an HF radio when arrested. Amateur radio in espionage activities! Not a good PR thing but so long ago that most have forgotten it or never knew. The |
From: John Smith on Jul 29, 1:12 pm
an_old_friend: Perhaps spread spectrum is used by spies, who knows, or sat links--we will always catch only the poorest of spies--undoubtedly they DO NOT represent the "good ones." But, most radio is a poor vector for spies, the internet is a much more viable medium... Ahem...those "number stations" on HF aren't for sports scores or lottery numbers... :-) A true "random number generator" has escaped being ever realized in a practical form. Untrue, John. PRSG (Pseudo-Random Sequence Generators) have been in common use in both communications and instrumentation for about three decades now. Using just 9 standard digital logic packages with a 10 MHz clock, the PRSG I built for instrumentation would not repeat until 913 years had passed. Reference: Electronics Designer's Casebook Number 3, a collection of Electronics magazine articles published between February '78 and January '79. I was the author of that. "Electronics" magazine was a bi-weekly industry/subscription periodical published by McGraw-Hill; McGraw Hill morphed it into four separate monthlies. The "random noise" from the background radiation of the universe comes very, very close. No, does NOT "come close," that IS the definition of random. In computing, if a very high quality "random number generator" is needed, it will always be outboard (white noise generator.) No computer algorithm ever developed is able to generate REAL random numbers. Success is only measured in how close they can come to the ideal... Sigh. PERIODICITY is at question? I would say that a repeat period of a century or more is pretty dang good. Periodicity greater than that is found in the DES and some of the algorithms at the NSA. SOME finite periodicity is NECESSARY to set code keys and thus enabling a decode to start to prepare to get ready to begin. That just cannot be done with true random noise thingies. In some of the Swiss (formerly Swedish) Crypto AG products, a true natural random noise source generates the random key patterns for both encryption and decryption sequences. A problem there is that the decrypt sequence MUST be identical to the encrypt sequence and that decrypt sequence transported to a recipient. With the DES and similar PRSG-driven sequences, the decrypt key is NOT required to be sent separately...all that is required is to set the sequence at some pre-determined state (the "code key" enters that) and this aligns the sequence with the received sequence...a sync is possible and decrypt can proceed. As to "simple algorithm" periodicity, a 913 year pattern repeat at a 10 MHz clock is quite long. That was achieved with a 2^33-1 sequence bit pattern Exclusive-ORed with a 2^25-1 bit pattern. Each of the individual PRSGs had NO common factors in periodicity so they Ex-ORed to a pattern of 2.88 x 10^17 clock periods. That could be implemented on any PC (I did that just for funzies) with a 2 GHz clock and sequence faster than the hardware version clock at 10 MHz. So that one repeated about every 100 years... ... the "noise" from a large number of typists keyboards might be close enough, although not perfectly random, for some applications... The humans-replacing-monkeys (at the KGB) was taken from David Kahn's "The Codebreakers" and was a quote from someone else. Today, at this "late" hour of 5:15 PM PDT, thousands of WLANs are very busy within RF range of one another, NOT interfering with each other thanks to some clever and longer PRSGs. All those WLANs can also synchronize with one another should they have to start from power-down condition. Add to that the garage door openers which have a very short data burst on an RF carrier...add millions more in remote keyless entry automobile "watch fob" transmitters. Their pattern security is so good that they CAN and HAVE replaced mechanical counterparts in any environment. [yes, the auto fob transmitters have keys attached as a security in case the car battery goes kafooey...and for the mental/emotional security of the numbnuts conservatives who don't trust those new-fangled digital gizmos] For pseudo-random number generation in theory, along with tests on things therein being random, there are 155 pages worth of good stuff in Donald E. Knuth's "The Art of Computer Programming," Chapter 3, Volume 2. I have the three-volume set and will entertain any offers of purchase (plus shipping costs)...provided I can trust the buyer (this group doesn't ensure my trust much...). bit bit |
wrote in message ups.com... From: John Smith on Jul 29, 1:12 pm an_old_friend: Perhaps spread spectrum is used by spies, who knows, or sat links--we will always catch only the poorest of spies--undoubtedly they DO NOT represent the "good ones." But, most radio is a poor vector for spies, the internet is a much more viable medium... Ahem...those "number stations" on HF aren't for sports scores or lottery numbers... :-) A true "random number generator" has escaped being ever realized in a practical form. Untrue, John. PRSG (Pseudo-Random Sequence Generators) have been in common use in both communications and instrumentation for about three decades now. Using just 9 standard digital logic packages with a 10 MHz clock, the PRSG I built for instrumentation would not repeat until 913 years had passed. Reference: Electronics Designer's Casebook Number 3, a collection of Electronics magazine articles published between February '78 and January '79. I was the author of that. "Electronics" magazine was a bi-weekly industry/subscription periodical published by McGraw-Hill; McGraw Hill morphed it into four separate monthlies. The "random noise" from the background radiation of the universe comes very, very close. No, does NOT "come close," that IS the definition of random. In computing, if a very high quality "random number generator" is needed, it will always be outboard (white noise generator.) No computer algorithm ever developed is able to generate REAL random numbers. Success is only measured in how close they can come to the ideal... Sigh. PERIODICITY is at question? I would say that a repeat period of a century or more is pretty dang good. Periodicity greater than that is found in the DES and some of the algorithms at the NSA. SOME finite periodicity is NECESSARY to set code keys and thus enabling a decode to start to prepare to get ready to begin. That just cannot be done with true random noise thingies. In some of the Swiss (formerly Swedish) Crypto AG products, a true natural random noise source generates the random key patterns for both encryption and decryption sequences. A problem there is that the decrypt sequence MUST be identical to the encrypt sequence and that decrypt sequence transported to a recipient. With the DES and similar PRSG-driven sequences, the decrypt key is NOT required to be sent separately...all that is required is to set the sequence at some pre-determined state (the "code key" enters that) and this aligns the sequence with the received sequence...a sync is possible and decrypt can proceed. As to "simple algorithm" periodicity, a 913 year pattern repeat at a 10 MHz clock is quite long. That was achieved with a 2^33-1 sequence bit pattern Exclusive-ORed with a 2^25-1 bit pattern. Each of the individual PRSGs had NO common factors in periodicity so they Ex-ORed to a pattern of 2.88 x 10^17 clock periods. That could be implemented on any PC (I did that just for funzies) with a 2 GHz clock and sequence faster than the hardware version clock at 10 MHz. So that one repeated about every 100 years... ... the "noise" from a large number of typists keyboards might be close enough, although not perfectly random, for some applications... The humans-replacing-monkeys (at the KGB) was taken from David Kahn's "The Codebreakers" and was a quote from someone else. Today, at this "late" hour of 5:15 PM PDT, thousands of WLANs are very busy within RF range of one another, NOT interfering with each other thanks to some clever and longer PRSGs. All those WLANs can also synchronize with one another should they have to start from power-down condition. Add to that the garage door openers which have a very short data burst on an RF carrier...add millions more in remote keyless entry automobile "watch fob" transmitters. Their pattern security is so good that they CAN and HAVE replaced mechanical counterparts in any environment. [yes, the auto fob transmitters have keys attached as a security in case the car battery goes kafooey...and for the mental/emotional security of the numbnuts conservatives who don't trust those new-fangled digital gizmos] For pseudo-random number generation in theory, along with tests on things therein being random, there are 155 pages worth of good stuff in Donald E. Knuth's "The Art of Computer Programming," Chapter 3, Volume 2. I have the three-volume set and will entertain any offers of purchase (plus shipping costs)...provided I can trust the buyer (this group doesn't ensure my trust much...). bit bit Hello, Len Oh, come on! There are some folks you can trust. You can trust me! Would you have a spare 10 or 20 grand you can loan me until payday? When's payday? I dunno, you're the one that's working. :))) So long as the key is changed *before* any repeat of the pattern, no harm is done - at least I would suspect. Just remember, one dot if by land and two dots if by sea .... or is that one dash? Hey, care to loan me 50K? 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
Len:
Many computer studies have been done on those numbers stations attempting to correlate them with detectable events/changes/occurrences in the world--to deduce what they are about. Last time I really checked, some were claiming it had to do with banks, markets, money... That is all wet? John wrote in message ups.com... From: John Smith on Jul 29, 1:12 pm an_old_friend: Perhaps spread spectrum is used by spies, who knows, or sat links--we will always catch only the poorest of spies--undoubtedly they DO NOT represent the "good ones." But, most radio is a poor vector for spies, the internet is a much more viable medium... Ahem...those "number stations" on HF aren't for sports scores or lottery numbers... :-) A true "random number generator" has escaped being ever realized in a practical form. Untrue, John. PRSG (Pseudo-Random Sequence Generators) have been in common use in both communications and instrumentation for about three decades now. Using just 9 standard digital logic packages with a 10 MHz clock, the PRSG I built for instrumentation would not repeat until 913 years had passed. Reference: Electronics Designer's Casebook Number 3, a collection of Electronics magazine articles published between February '78 and January '79. I was the author of that. "Electronics" magazine was a bi-weekly industry/subscription periodical published by McGraw-Hill; McGraw Hill morphed it into four separate monthlies. The "random noise" from the background radiation of the universe comes very, very close. No, does NOT "come close," that IS the definition of random. In computing, if a very high quality "random number generator" is needed, it will always be outboard (white noise generator.) No computer algorithm ever developed is able to generate REAL random numbers. Success is only measured in how close they can come to the ideal... Sigh. PERIODICITY is at question? I would say that a repeat period of a century or more is pretty dang good. Periodicity greater than that is found in the DES and some of the algorithms at the NSA. SOME finite periodicity is NECESSARY to set code keys and thus enabling a decode to start to prepare to get ready to begin. That just cannot be done with true random noise thingies. In some of the Swiss (formerly Swedish) Crypto AG products, a true natural random noise source generates the random key patterns for both encryption and decryption sequences. A problem there is that the decrypt sequence MUST be identical to the encrypt sequence and that decrypt sequence transported to a recipient. With the DES and similar PRSG-driven sequences, the decrypt key is NOT required to be sent separately...all that is required is to set the sequence at some pre-determined state (the "code key" enters that) and this aligns the sequence with the received sequence...a sync is possible and decrypt can proceed. As to "simple algorithm" periodicity, a 913 year pattern repeat at a 10 MHz clock is quite long. That was achieved with a 2^33-1 sequence bit pattern Exclusive-ORed with a 2^25-1 bit pattern. Each of the individual PRSGs had NO common factors in periodicity so they Ex-ORed to a pattern of 2.88 x 10^17 clock periods. That could be implemented on any PC (I did that just for funzies) with a 2 GHz clock and sequence faster than the hardware version clock at 10 MHz. So that one repeated about every 100 years... ... the "noise" from a large number of typists keyboards might be close enough, although not perfectly random, for some applications... The humans-replacing-monkeys (at the KGB) was taken from David Kahn's "The Codebreakers" and was a quote from someone else. Today, at this "late" hour of 5:15 PM PDT, thousands of WLANs are very busy within RF range of one another, NOT interfering with each other thanks to some clever and longer PRSGs. All those WLANs can also synchronize with one another should they have to start from power-down condition. Add to that the garage door openers which have a very short data burst on an RF carrier...add millions more in remote keyless entry automobile "watch fob" transmitters. Their pattern security is so good that they CAN and HAVE replaced mechanical counterparts in any environment. [yes, the auto fob transmitters have keys attached as a security in case the car battery goes kafooey...and for the mental/emotional security of the numbnuts conservatives who don't trust those new-fangled digital gizmos] For pseudo-random number generation in theory, along with tests on things therein being random, there are 155 pages worth of good stuff in Donald E. Knuth's "The Art of Computer Programming," Chapter 3, Volume 2. I have the three-volume set and will entertain any offers of purchase (plus shipping costs)...provided I can trust the buyer (this group doesn't ensure my trust much...). bit bit |
From: "Jim Hampton" on Sat 30 Jul 2005 03:18
wrote in message oups.com... From: John Smith on Jul 29, 1:12 pm an_old_friend: Hello, Len Oh, come on! There are some folks you can trust. You can trust me! Of course. I trust you to write stuff in here about beer... Would you have a spare 10 or 20 grand you can loan me until payday? No. There's "trust" and there's "dumb****behavior." Tsk. Your sales technique needs a LOT of work...! When's payday? I dunno, you're the one that's working. Some of the time. I don't HAVE to, but it's fun to keep one's hand in some of the time. So long as the key is changed *before* any repeat of the pattern, no harm is done - at least I would suspect. Depends on the length of the sequence and your analysis tools. If only 9 stock chips can make a sequence that is 2.8 x 10^17 bits long (periodicity), DOES IT MATTER? Just remember, one dot if by land and two dots if by sea .... or is that one dash? Hey, care to loan me 50K? Paul Revere, did you go and sell all your silverware stock and get drunk again?!? Geez... Remember: "One dot if by land, two dots if by sea, hear three dots you better get your S out of there cuz' they commin in fast by air!" dit bit |
From: John Smith on Jul 29, 6:08 pm
Len: 10mhz? My gawd man, I can walk that fast! Heh heh heh...we'll just put you down on a bench with a good scope, warm up the soldering iron, hand you a bunch of DIPs and see if all your gate delays will allow you to get all of the sequence states in order... :-) Reset the time to about 1976 with conventional TTL DIPs, well before the "HC" CMOS zilch-gate-delay technology was developed. It was also well before the GIGAHertz-clock PCs appeared. At best the PC clocks were struggling to keep up at 10 MHz (at least the affordable ones) and microprocessors running at that clock rate were "inconceivable." I stand behind what I said, no perfect random number generators exist, if you need a really good one--it can't be done with computer algorithms (but, the one doing our lottery is a really **** poor one--probably worse than your "no repeats for 913 year one @ 10mhz" even... grin John, that's why they call it a PSEUDO-random sequence generator. PSEUDO, "close enough" but not exact. I gave up playing any Lotto years ago. I won all of $55 and spent at least three times that in order to "win" that. It was a cheap thrill while it lasted. :-) Just because YOU didn't win anything is not a reason to be accusatory. :-) It most EXACTLY becomes a question of, "How good of a random number generator do you need?" Depends on the application. If you want to scramble (encrypt) voice/data/video/whatever, you want one to SYNCHRONIZE the unscrambler (decrypt) to enable restoration to the original. That's where the PSEUDO-random thing comes in. PRSGs are invaluable in certain kinds of measurements that require "noise" added...and then that "noise" subtracted in order to "see" whatever non-random stuff is there. One of those is building stability (especially for robustness during earthquakes). H-P Test and Measurement Div (Agilent) had a good series of AppNotes on that with a high-power shaker (low-power compared to quakes) "modulated" with a PRSG and the sync off of the PRSG used to subtract the deliberate shaking from vibration sensors in order to gain the resonant modes of the building. Another series of App Notes described a similar method to extract resonances in electronic circuits, even do a pseuod-reconstruct of frequency response. That was three decades ago. If you get into any metrology at all, you WILL find that this "artificial noise" is an accepted practice in many physical analyses from mechanics of structures to electronics. It just CANNOT be done any other way except by PSUEDO-random techniques. I grant you, most apps do not need that good of one, games of chance in reno/las vegas are ran off damn poor ones... Tsk. Sounds like you've been to Vegas and haven't won much? :-) No problem to me. Wife and I will be in Vegas along about the beginning of October and try a few of those games... along with the other R&R available. We use electronic banking methods a lot now for personal finances. Quick, easy, and COMFORTABLY SECURE coding that we can depend on. Nobody has hacked our bank accounts yet. The worst we can expect is some doofus courier "losing" a back-up tape during physical transport. Also, if you read about egg at princeton.edu, you will see that computer random number generators are really a bad idea, the human mind can influence results... on some quantum-metaphysical level it seems the mind has powers which we have only guessed about in fairy tales... I leave that to your further research however... Yah, yah, yah. You are beginning to sound like a "small medium at large," John. Or, you read the same series of science- fiction stories in old ANALOG magazines as I did! :-) "Egg?" Edgerton, Germehausen, and Grier, the company? "The Cuckoo's Egg" by an astronomer-turned-hacker-catcher? [that's a BOOK if anyone else is looking in and wondering what the fork we are talking about...] In THIS newsgrope we've got "state-of-the-art" radio amateurs who insist and insist and insist that morse code comms are WAY, WAY faster than any (hack, ptui) TTY and MUCH, MUCH better (and "easier") than sending text messages over a cell phone! Just ask them and they will issue Pronouncements to that effect! [and they HAVE] Their spiritual metaphysics will defeat ordinary physical laws three ways from Sunday! Remember Len, we really do agree on most though... or, close enough... Not really...but, carry on, auld chap... :-) bit bat |
From: "John Smith" on Fri 29 Jul 2005 20:38
Len: Many computer studies have been done on those numbers stations attempting to correlate them with detectable events/changes/occurrences in the world--to deduce what they are about. Last time I really checked, some were claiming it had to do with banks, markets, money... That is all wet? As "wet" as the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Don't go there... wet bet |
Len:
I thought you would look, the "egg project" is a series of pseudo-random number generators, deployed worldwide... they can be used to predict major catastrophes, and such, they work... no scientist in his right mind would deny it... some psychic-ether bond exists to the human mind which is yet undiscovered, yet its existence can be demonstrated--undoubtedly, the future has much in store for "new technology" centered around this "law", I suspect the CIA is already investigating its uses in espionage, maybe even some of the "amateur spies here!" You may even be forced to stop laughing at Sylvia Browne in the future! Me, I just rely on my tea leaves! (marijuana leaves actually, you inhale them first--then read the ashes! I deduced it from other hams, they obviously know this trick!) innocent-look John wrote in message ups.com... From: John Smith on Jul 29, 6:08 pm Len: 10mhz? My gawd man, I can walk that fast! Heh heh heh...we'll just put you down on a bench with a good scope, warm up the soldering iron, hand you a bunch of DIPs and see if all your gate delays will allow you to get all of the sequence states in order... :-) Reset the time to about 1976 with conventional TTL DIPs, well before the "HC" CMOS zilch-gate-delay technology was developed. It was also well before the GIGAHertz-clock PCs appeared. At best the PC clocks were struggling to keep up at 10 MHz (at least the affordable ones) and microprocessors running at that clock rate were "inconceivable." I stand behind what I said, no perfect random number generators exist, if you need a really good one--it can't be done with computer algorithms (but, the one doing our lottery is a really **** poor one--probably worse than your "no repeats for 913 year one @ 10mhz" even... grin John, that's why they call it a PSEUDO-random sequence generator. PSEUDO, "close enough" but not exact. I gave up playing any Lotto years ago. I won all of $55 and spent at least three times that in order to "win" that. It was a cheap thrill while it lasted. :-) Just because YOU didn't win anything is not a reason to be accusatory. :-) It most EXACTLY becomes a question of, "How good of a random number generator do you need?" Depends on the application. If you want to scramble (encrypt) voice/data/video/whatever, you want one to SYNCHRONIZE the unscrambler (decrypt) to enable restoration to the original. That's where the PSEUDO-random thing comes in. PRSGs are invaluable in certain kinds of measurements that require "noise" added...and then that "noise" subtracted in order to "see" whatever non-random stuff is there. One of those is building stability (especially for robustness during earthquakes). H-P Test and Measurement Div (Agilent) had a good series of AppNotes on that with a high-power shaker (low-power compared to quakes) "modulated" with a PRSG and the sync off of the PRSG used to subtract the deliberate shaking from vibration sensors in order to gain the resonant modes of the building. Another series of App Notes described a similar method to extract resonances in electronic circuits, even do a pseuod-reconstruct of frequency response. That was three decades ago. If you get into any metrology at all, you WILL find that this "artificial noise" is an accepted practice in many physical analyses from mechanics of structures to electronics. It just CANNOT be done any other way except by PSUEDO-random techniques. I grant you, most apps do not need that good of one, games of chance in reno/las vegas are ran off damn poor ones... Tsk. Sounds like you've been to Vegas and haven't won much? :-) No problem to me. Wife and I will be in Vegas along about the beginning of October and try a few of those games... along with the other R&R available. We use electronic banking methods a lot now for personal finances. Quick, easy, and COMFORTABLY SECURE coding that we can depend on. Nobody has hacked our bank accounts yet. The worst we can expect is some doofus courier "losing" a back-up tape during physical transport. Also, if you read about egg at princeton.edu, you will see that computer random number generators are really a bad idea, the human mind can influence results... on some quantum-metaphysical level it seems the mind has powers which we have only guessed about in fairy tales... I leave that to your further research however... Yah, yah, yah. You are beginning to sound like a "small medium at large," John. Or, you read the same series of science- fiction stories in old ANALOG magazines as I did! :-) "Egg?" Edgerton, Germehausen, and Grier, the company? "The Cuckoo's Egg" by an astronomer-turned-hacker-catcher? [that's a BOOK if anyone else is looking in and wondering what the fork we are talking about...] In THIS newsgrope we've got "state-of-the-art" radio amateurs who insist and insist and insist that morse code comms are WAY, WAY faster than any (hack, ptui) TTY and MUCH, MUCH better (and "easier") than sending text messages over a cell phone! Just ask them and they will issue Pronouncements to that effect! [and they HAVE] Their spiritual metaphysics will defeat ordinary physical laws three ways from Sunday! Remember Len, we really do agree on most though... or, close enough... Not really...but, carry on, auld chap... :-) bit bat |
Len:
I am afraid we cannot grant you the benefit of the doubt, and the possibility you are only frugal with your money. Since you now have refused all unreasonable requests for a sizeable loan, we must dismiss you as a "Tight A$$ED Dude", you will not be asked again! grin John wrote in message ups.com... From: "Jim Hampton" on Sat 30 Jul 2005 03:18 wrote in message roups.com... From: John Smith on Jul 29, 1:12 pm an_old_friend: Hello, Len Oh, come on! There are some folks you can trust. You can trust me! Of course. I trust you to write stuff in here about beer... Would you have a spare 10 or 20 grand you can loan me until payday? No. There's "trust" and there's "dumb****behavior." Tsk. Your sales technique needs a LOT of work...! When's payday? I dunno, you're the one that's working. Some of the time. I don't HAVE to, but it's fun to keep one's hand in some of the time. So long as the key is changed *before* any repeat of the pattern, no harm is done - at least I would suspect. Depends on the length of the sequence and your analysis tools. If only 9 stock chips can make a sequence that is 2.8 x 10^17 bits long (periodicity), DOES IT MATTER? Just remember, one dot if by land and two dots if by sea .... or is that one dash? Hey, care to loan me 50K? Paul Revere, did you go and sell all your silverware stock and get drunk again?!? Geez... Remember: "One dot if by land, two dots if by sea, hear three dots you better get your S out of there cuz' they commin in fast by air!" dit bit |
Len:
I am afraid we cannot grant you the benefit of the doubt, and the possibility you are only frugal with your money. Nah. I'm a regular "Mr. Moneybags" who "got it all on investments" according to our resident noise, er, nurse. :-) Back in 1960 I was working for Ramo-Wooldridge in Canoga Park and had decided to "upgrade" to a new set of wheels. Got a 1961 Cebby Impala convertible. [babe magnet and a half...:-) ] Had a great loan term from the company Credit Union. Then some "downsizing" happened and I was looking for another job. Credit Union said "no problem" on the loan, just keep paying on it, which I did. Got another job. When that two-year loan ended, I kept paying MYSELF the same amount into my savings account. By 1966 I had enough saved to buy a new car, a 1967 Camaro SS. Paid Ca$h for it. Haven't taken out any auto loans since, not for the '70 Camaro or the '82 Camaro Berlinetta, and now the new Malibu Maxx. Am I bragging? No. I'm illustrating a point in directed THRIFT. I'm not frugal, just disciplined insofar as ca$h is concerned. And I've had some unforseen expenses from an early personal tragedy also. Since you now have refused all unreasonable requests for a sizeable loan, we must dismiss you as a "Tight A$$ED Dude", you will not be asked again! grin Good! I've been taking "NO" lessons from Capital One. hit hit |
I thought you would look, the "egg project" is a series of pseudo-random number
generators, deployed worldwide... they can be used to predict major catastrophes, and such, they work... no scientist in his right mind would deny it... some psychic-ether bond exists to the human mind which is yet undiscovered, yet its existence can be demonstrated--undoubtedly, the future has much in store for "new technology" centered around this "law", I suspect the CIA is already investigating its uses in espionage, maybe even some of the "amateur spies here!" Hoo boy...sure got some goooood shroms in da San-Walk-In Valley! You smoke it or mainline? Shroom salesman: "Would you like a paranormal, sir?" Me: "No thanks, one will do..." You may even be forced to stop laughing at Sylvia Browne in the future! John-iee, if I knew who she was I might...but I'm laffing so hard at yer opening paragraph I may be doing it all night... cod god |
Len:
I know, sounds like I am losing my mind--hey, princeton university has been doing this for years now, the egg project, it is real... main stream scientists now say it "looks real" but there is probably an explanation--well, they have run out of possibilities of explaining it, they now have gone into denial! It is too bizarre for a "sensible man", what can I say? :( But, I leave that to you to decide, the info is on princeton.edu site. Anyway, Silvia Browne, my gawd man, the woman is a bit plain (homely? Makeup is only mildly effective...) but famous! grin Here is a link: http://www.sylvia.org/home/index.cfm...FTOKEN=2298759 But, I must be honest, I am sure princeton university would be horrified if they even knew I mentioned sylvia in the same post as the university. (sylvia is a charlatan--but a good one! But hey, that is just my opinion, what do us CB'ers know? grin) John wrote in message ups.com... I thought you would look, the "egg project" is a series of pseudo-random number generators, deployed worldwide... they can be used to predict major catastrophes, and such, they work... no scientist in his right mind would deny it... some psychic-ether bond exists to the human mind which is yet undiscovered, yet its existence can be demonstrated--undoubtedly, the future has much in store for "new technology" centered around this "law", I suspect the CIA is already investigating its uses in espionage, maybe even some of the "amateur spies here!" Hoo boy...sure got some goooood shroms in da San-Walk-In Valley! You smoke it or mainline? Shroom salesman: "Would you like a paranormal, sir?" Me: "No thanks, one will do..." You may even be forced to stop laughing at Sylvia Browne in the future! John-iee, if I knew who she was I might...but I'm laffing so hard at yer opening paragraph I may be doing it all night... cod god |
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Len:
How do you think the extras have managed to "stay ahead of the pack", why it is obvious man, they have been consulting with Sylvia all along--in secret! Who do you think advised them to keep CW? grin John wrote in message oups.com... John, I just found out who Sylvia is. Geez, you're weird. :-) NOT a subject for olde-tyme hamme raddio, except for a few PCTA extras in here... Au reservoire, nut bag |
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