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Dee:
If the only difference between NC tech, and tech+ is the code, and there is is no longer a code test, would logic dictate that the plus'es can still hold a greater privilege than a tech? Now, why would logic dictate their being two classes of tech, when there does not exist any difference between the classes? Often you see this kind of insanity when the gov't becomes involved, you could argue that point, and there are no more tech plus licenses being issued, you could also argue that point. However, I think just as valid an argument would be that tech plus was ok for some HF, now there is no code, so tech is now ok for the same HF allowances. However, I don't think you are going to find many who would care to argue this point, there just is not enough interest in amateur radio at this point, and the argument is something of a "time sensitive" issue, it would have to be argued quickly--or not at all. As precedence is won by the dragging of the feet... John On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:13:52 -0400, Dee Flint wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... Alun L. Palmer wrote: "John Smith" wrote in break There is one loose end, though. I read the NPRM to say that Tech+ would become closed, so that all new Techs would have to get element 3 to get on HF, but others have read it that all Techs would get Tech+ privileges. Does anyone know which is right? I read it as techs all tech end up with what amounts to what was once called tech plus, but anyone that claims to know what the result is likely to prove themselves a lair If you are talking about the US proposal, read the NPRM through a couple of times. They discuss this at great length. Techs will not get Tech+ privileges. Anyone who wants to increase their privileges will have to take a test. They specifically state that no one will get any changes in privileges. That is also consistent with the way the paragraphs will be reworded as shown in the appendix. I have read it and read it and I come to the same conclusion Finally, one of the posters on eHam called the FCC on this and asked for and got clarification. He was told that Techs will not get Tech+ privileges. It is indeed the FCC's position that anyone desiring more than their current privileges must take the appropriate written test. so what? It is unlikely that you are going to get anyone on the phone able to speak for the what the R&O will say before even the end of the coment period indeed that issue is the only mystery left, after all we are assued that No one loses previdges as well, and if all the langauge that is said to be delected is delected then the old tech plus folks lose HF access Nope. The paragraph that gives Tech+ their HF access is unchanged. Look at the appendix. It shows what paragraphs they are planning to change and what the projected wording is. The Tech+ paragraph is untouched and left to stand as is. The lang is badly worded, and frankly I suspect ones reading depends on wether you look at rules in the light all not forbidden is allowed or all not expressly allowed is forbidden Nope. It is very clear on which paragraphs they propose to change and what the proposed wording is. The paragraph that grants Tech+ the Novice HF privileges has no changes proposed. I hope (nearly said I trsut but though better of it) the FCC will make that one point clear in the R&O The problem with the NPRM is simply its extensive discussion, which does get rather wordy but is explicit if one reads it. The revised paragraphs for Part 97 listed at the end of the NPRM are quite clear. I originally was confused too but comparing the new text to the old text clarified the situation. That comparison put the lengthy discussion into perspective and clarified it a great deal. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
John Smith wrote:
If the only difference between NC tech, and tech+ is the code, and there is is no longer a code test, would logic dictate that the plus'es can still hold a greater privilege than a tech? The FCC's logic says "YES!" Now, why would logic dictate their being two classes of tech, when there does not exist any difference between the classes? But there *does* exist a difference! Techs who have passed a code test have some HF privileges now - today - under current rules. Techs who have not passed a code test have no HF privileges now - today - under current rules. The FCC makes it clear that they do not want any current licensee to gain or lose privileges simply because of the proposed changes. Therefore, if the proposal is enacted, the two types of Techs (code tested and non code tested) will continue to exist, with the difference in privileges, even if there's no longer a code test, and even after the last Tech Plus expires, upgrades, or is renewed as Tech. Often you see this kind of insanity when the gov't becomes involved, you could argue that point, and there are no more tech plus licenses being issued, you could also argue that point. It's not "insanity" at all. It's the only way to satisfy all the requirements listed above. However, I think just as valid an argument would be that tech plus was ok for some HF, now there is no code, so tech is now ok for the same HF allowances. That would violate the principle of no additional privs without the appropriate test, whoch the FCC repeatedly supports in the NPRM document. However, I don't think you are going to find many who would care to argue this point, there just is not enough interest in amateur radio at this point, and the argument is something of a "time sensitive" issue, it would have to be argued quickly--or not at all. As precedence is won by the dragging of the feet... You can argue it all you want. Comments don't close for weeks yet. If anyone actually bothers to read the NPRM, they'll see that FCC repeatedly mentions how easy it is for existing licensees to get more privileges by passing only written tests. FCC also mentions repeatedly how, if the NPRM is enacted, all nonExtras will be able to get more privileges by taking a few written tests. They even mention how many correct answers are needed. FCC also repeatedly mentions their support for spectrum as an incentive to upgrading, and how free upgrades act as a disincentive. Do you not like the idea of a VHF/UHF-only entry-level license, with HF held out as an incentive for more *written* testing? -- Just think - under the new system, all new hams will have access to all of amateur VHF/UHF, all modes, and full authorized power. Those who go on to General will have most HF privileges too, with small parts of 4 HF bands reserved for Extras. Be careful what you ask for - you may just get it. |
N2EY:
I have consistently given the answers for the general ticket, I will continue to do so, I have a study guide for general (put together by another individual) the answers are in it, all one needs to do is dig them out--they should have to work a bit for extra, one only needs study these for an evening, two if they are slow, three if they are a "ma'roon" and go to the examiner and get their ticket... it is a moot point for me... I think the FCC changes are perfect as is... John On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:36:42 -0700, N2EY wrote: John Smith wrote: If the only difference between NC tech, and tech+ is the code, and there is is no longer a code test, would logic dictate that the plus'es can still hold a greater privilege than a tech? The FCC's logic says "YES!" Now, why would logic dictate their being two classes of tech, when there does not exist any difference between the classes? But there *does* exist a difference! Techs who have passed a code test have some HF privileges now - today - under current rules. Techs who have not passed a code test have no HF privileges now - today - under current rules. The FCC makes it clear that they do not want any current licensee to gain or lose privileges simply because of the proposed changes. Therefore, if the proposal is enacted, the two types of Techs (code tested and non code tested) will continue to exist, with the difference in privileges, even if there's no longer a code test, and even after the last Tech Plus expires, upgrades, or is renewed as Tech. Often you see this kind of insanity when the gov't becomes involved, you could argue that point, and there are no more tech plus licenses being issued, you could also argue that point. It's not "insanity" at all. It's the only way to satisfy all the requirements listed above. However, I think just as valid an argument would be that tech plus was ok for some HF, now there is no code, so tech is now ok for the same HF allowances. That would violate the principle of no additional privs without the appropriate test, whoch the FCC repeatedly supports in the NPRM document. However, I don't think you are going to find many who would care to argue this point, there just is not enough interest in amateur radio at this point, and the argument is something of a "time sensitive" issue, it would have to be argued quickly--or not at all. As precedence is won by the dragging of the feet... You can argue it all you want. Comments don't close for weeks yet. If anyone actually bothers to read the NPRM, they'll see that FCC repeatedly mentions how easy it is for existing licensees to get more privileges by passing only written tests. FCC also mentions repeatedly how, if the NPRM is enacted, all nonExtras will be able to get more privileges by taking a few written tests. They even mention how many correct answers are needed. FCC also repeatedly mentions their support for spectrum as an incentive to upgrading, and how free upgrades act as a disincentive. Do you not like the idea of a VHF/UHF-only entry-level license, with HF held out as an incentive for more *written* testing? -- Just think - under the new system, all new hams will have access to all of amateur VHF/UHF, all modes, and full authorized power. Those who go on to General will have most HF privileges too, with small parts of 4 HF bands reserved for Extras. Be careful what you ask for - you may just get it. |
.... all I was remarking on was the insanity which wrapped itself around
amateur radio, in the 60's-70's, and has maintained its' death grip, and brought the hobby to its' knees and the sorry shape we find it in today. The leaders we put our trust it have let us down severly, destruction has happened "on their watch!" The correction necessary now is going to be painful but we have only those to blame for it... and ourselves for allowing it to happen without complaint or action... I suspect this now has all taken a change for the better, we will be on an upswing and we will only see younger guys in control from here on out. If not, at least we are getting people who are capable with handling the changes to get us up to speed in the second millenium (actually 3rd millennium!!!: 0-1000 -- first millennium, 1000-2000 -- second millennium, 2000-3000 -- third millennium) after 2000 years you'd think people could handle changes better and quicker... ahhh, that isn't true either, think if Jesus came back, stood before the multi-million dollar churches and commanded, "Sell these structures and feed my people!" They'd have him on a cross before the evening meal (and his last supper!) John On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:06:58 -0700, John Smith wrote: N2EY: I have consistently given the answers for the general ticket, I will continue to do so, I have a study guide for general (put together by another individual) the answers are in it, all one needs to do is dig them out--they should have to work a bit for extra, one only needs study these for an evening, two if they are slow, three if they are a "ma'roon" and go to the examiner and get their ticket... it is a moot point for me... I think the FCC changes are perfect as is... John On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:36:42 -0700, N2EY wrote: John Smith wrote: If the only difference between NC tech, and tech+ is the code, and there is is no longer a code test, would logic dictate that the plus'es can still hold a greater privilege than a tech? The FCC's logic says "YES!" Now, why would logic dictate their being two classes of tech, when there does not exist any difference between the classes? But there *does* exist a difference! Techs who have passed a code test have some HF privileges now - today - under current rules. Techs who have not passed a code test have no HF privileges now - today - under current rules. The FCC makes it clear that they do not want any current licensee to gain or lose privileges simply because of the proposed changes. Therefore, if the proposal is enacted, the two types of Techs (code tested and non code tested) will continue to exist, with the difference in privileges, even if there's no longer a code test, and even after the last Tech Plus expires, upgrades, or is renewed as Tech. Often you see this kind of insanity when the gov't becomes involved, you could argue that point, and there are no more tech plus licenses being issued, you could also argue that point. It's not "insanity" at all. It's the only way to satisfy all the requirements listed above. However, I think just as valid an argument would be that tech plus was ok for some HF, now there is no code, so tech is now ok for the same HF allowances. That would violate the principle of no additional privs without the appropriate test, whoch the FCC repeatedly supports in the NPRM document. However, I don't think you are going to find many who would care to argue this point, there just is not enough interest in amateur radio at this point, and the argument is something of a "time sensitive" issue, it would have to be argued quickly--or not at all. As precedence is won by the dragging of the feet... You can argue it all you want. Comments don't close for weeks yet. If anyone actually bothers to read the NPRM, they'll see that FCC repeatedly mentions how easy it is for existing licensees to get more privileges by passing only written tests. FCC also mentions repeatedly how, if the NPRM is enacted, all nonExtras will be able to get more privileges by taking a few written tests. They even mention how many correct answers are needed. FCC also repeatedly mentions their support for spectrum as an incentive to upgrading, and how free upgrades act as a disincentive. Do you not like the idea of a VHF/UHF-only entry-level license, with HF held out as an incentive for more *written* testing? -- Just think - under the new system, all new hams will have access to all of amateur VHF/UHF, all modes, and full authorized power. Those who go on to General will have most HF privileges too, with small parts of 4 HF bands reserved for Extras. Be careful what you ask for - you may just get it. |
an old friend wrote:
Alun L. Palmer wrote: "John Smith" wrote in break There is one loose end, though. I read the NPRM to say that Tech+ would become closed, so that all new Techs would have to get element 3 to get on HF, but others have read it that all Techs would get Tech+ privileges. Does anyone know which is right? I read it as techs all tech end up with what amounts to what was once called tech plus, It would be an odd thing if that were the case, Mark. The Tech Plus gave limited HF access, and isn't being tested for any more anyways. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: If the only difference between NC tech, and tech+ is the code, and there is is no longer a code test, would logic dictate that the plus'es can still hold a greater privilege than a tech? Now, why would logic dictate their being two classes of tech, when there does not exist any difference between the classes? Often you see this kind of insanity when the gov't becomes involved, you could argue that point, and there are no more tech plus licenses being issued, you could also argue that point. However, I think just as valid an argument would be that tech plus was ok for some HF, now there is no code, so tech is now ok for the same HF allowances. However, I don't think you are going to find many who would care to argue this point, there just is not enough interest in amateur radio at this point, and the argument is something of a "time sensitive" issue, it would have to be argued quickly--or not at all. As precedence is won by the dragging of the feet... John Well whatever one personally believes, the FCC has made their position clear. The distinction between Tech and Tech+ will remain as it currently is. No code Techs will not have HF unless they upgrade to General. The Techs with code (Tech+) will have the limited Novice HF privileges unless they upgrade to General. Based on the tone of the FCC's discussion, their goal is to drive people to upgrade. They discussed how upgrading is part of fulfilling the basis and purpose of amateur radio (i.e. the self training part). Also think of this. Long ago (and before my time in amateur radio), there was so much bitterness over people losing privileges in one of the restructurings that the FCC probably did not want to make that mistake again. On the other hand, there's been so much hulabaloo about no automatic upgrades that they didn't care to make a mistake by increasing anyone's privileges. Actually it does make a kind of sense though. This way, everyone will have had to take at least two tests of some kind to get on HF. Besides most of the Tech+ who were both currently active and wanted more privileges have probably upgraded to General by now. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
wrote It's not "insanity" at all. It's the only way to satisfy all the requirements listed above. Of course it's insane. "The Morse test is no longer required for operation below 30MHz. You can't operate on HF because you've not passed a Morse test." By any measure, that illogical. Beep Beep 73, de Hans, K0HB |
KXHB:
I wouldn't even think about allowing someone a radio, unless first they have mastered the "African Message Drum", if all civilization is gone the drum is what they will need to survive. Much more logical than cw, you don't need a radio! Can make a drum out of a hollow log and a skin off the neighbors cat! John "KXHB" wrote in message nk.net... wrote It's not "insanity" at all. It's the only way to satisfy all the requirements listed above. Of course it's insane. "The Morse test is no longer required for operation below 30MHz. You can't operate on HF because you've not passed a Morse test." By any measure, that illogical. Beep Beep 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"John Smith" wrote in message
... KXHB: I wouldn't even think about allowing someone a radio, unless first they have mastered the "African Message Drum", if all civilization is gone the drum is what they will need to survive. Much more logical than cw, you don't need a radio! Can make a drum out of a hollow log and a skin off the neighbors cat! John And, uh, what'd you say *your* callsign was? I, uh, just didn't quite catch it... I'm just asking because it's a generally noted condition of a few major posters in this newsgroup, that if one is not an amateur radio licensee (Len Anderson, for example) their opinions on the matter of amateur radio are taken with a grain of salt. If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is around, does it make a sound? Kim W5TIT |
"Kim" wrote If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is around, does it make a sound? Kim W5TIT If a man is in the forest and says something, but there's no woman around to hear it, is he still wrong? |
Kim:
Well, there ya go, the only people you would consider fitting to converse with have proven they are a ham to you. Of course, this is going to rather limit your social skills and world quite a bit, wouldn't be surprized if you don't know ALL ~300,000 by name (that might be an over-estimate.) Don't worry, why you are there doing "ham sorting" the world goes on, we will keep you abreast of the changes which have occured while you have been engaged in you little diversion. John On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:03:29 +0000, Kim wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... KXHB: I wouldn't even think about allowing someone a radio, unless first they have mastered the "African Message Drum", if all civilization is gone the drum is what they will need to survive. Much more logical than cw, you don't need a radio! Can make a drum out of a hollow log and a skin off the neighbors cat! John And, uh, what'd you say *your* callsign was? I, uh, just didn't quite catch it... I'm just asking because it's a generally noted condition of a few major posters in this newsgroup, that if one is not an amateur radio licensee (Len Anderson, for example) their opinions on the matter of amateur radio are taken with a grain of salt. If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is around, does it make a sound? Kim W5TIT |
K0HB:
The real question is, will he get lucky if there she has at least one TIT in her call, and he is able to make contact with her? John On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:25:56 +0000, KØHB wrote: "Kim" wrote If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is around, does it make a sound? Kim W5TIT If a man is in the forest and says something, but there's no woman around to hear it, is he still wrong? |
K=D8HB wrote:
"Kim" wrote If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is around, does it make a sound? Yes Kim W5TIT If a man is in the forest and says something, but there's no woman around= to hear it, is he still wrong? Yes! Then again, why would a man in the forest say anything? Isn't there a list of things he should be doing? Did he remember to pick up the dry cleaning and drop off the rental videos on his way to the forest? For that matter, did he take out the garbage on his way out of the house? How about getting those new shoes like he promised he would two weeks ago? And the upstairs bathroom *still* isn't painted. Honestly, you'd think he had nothing better to do than go off in the woods saying things to no one in particular.... --- Overheard in a booksto "Telling you where the self-help books are would defeat their purpose" 73 de Jim, N2EY 313 |
N2EY:
It is strongly suggested they don't appoint a deaf person as net control, however, it is a free country. The hearing disabled may wish to consider smoke signals, message arrow or carrier pidgeon. If near an ocean, "message in a bottle" might be investigated. John On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:31:44 -0700, N2EY wrote: KØHB wrote: "Kim" wrote If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is around, does it make a sound? Yes Kim W5TIT If a man is in the forest and says something, but there's no woman around to hear it, is he still wrong? Yes! Then again, why would a man in the forest say anything? Isn't there a list of things he should be doing? Did he remember to pick up the dry cleaning and drop off the rental videos on his way to the forest? For that matter, did he take out the garbage on his way out of the house? How about getting those new shoes like he promised he would two weeks ago? And the upstairs bathroom *still* isn't painted. Honestly, you'd think he had nothing better to do than go off in the woods saying things to no one in particular.... --- Overheard in a booksto "Telling you where the self-help books are would defeat their purpose" 73 de Jim, N2EY 313 |
From: Kim on Aug 2, 8:03 am
"John Smith" wrote in message KXHB: I wouldn't even think about allowing someone a radio, unless first they have mastered the "African Message Drum", if all civilization is gone the drum is what they will need to survive. Much more logical than cw, you don't need a radio! Can make a drum out of a hollow log and a skin off the neighbors cat! John And, uh, what'd you say *your* callsign was? I, uh, just didn't quite catch it... I'm just asking because it's a generally noted condition of a few major posters in this newsgroup, that if one is not an amateur radio licensee (Len Anderson, for example) their opinions on the matter of amateur radio are taken with a grain of salt. Oh, ohhhhh...here we go...yet another Flame War ignition attempt... If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is around, does it make a sound? "If a tree falls on a florist, will he make a sound?" How many angles bisect on a PCTA pinhead? "Etcetera, etcetera," sang the King of Siam. Isaac Asimov's shortest short story on science-fiction, written during a panel talk by a group of science-fiction writers: "The last man on earth sat alone in his cabin. Suddenly there was a knock on the door..." Be sure and take EVERYTHING oh, so seriously! This be the Din of Inequity! den din |
"John Smith" wrote in message
... Kim: Well, there ya go, the only people you would consider fitting to converse with have proven they are a ham to you. Of course, this is going to rather limit your social skills and world quite a bit, wouldn't be surprized if you don't know ALL ~300,000 by name (that might be an over-estimate.) Don't worry, why you are there doing "ham sorting" the world goes on, we will keep you abreast of the changes which have occured while you have been engaged in you little diversion. John Not at all. I've never really paid any attention to whether someone has a call or not. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I am just surprised you haven't run into that on the newsgroup yet. From someone such as...hmmm, trying to remember who that matters to, usually...Dave Heil, I believe I've seen razzing Len for not being an amateur radio operator. Others...but, was just wondering if it'd ever been an issue. Oh, and then there's those who raz about people being annonymous, etc. Guess you've not had that happen yet, either. Although, come to think of it...there's not that many of the "regulars" who are communicating with you... So maybe it's still an issue, just not as noticeable as it used to be... Kim W5TIT |
"John Smith" wrote in message
... K0HB: The real question is, will he get lucky if there she has at least one TIT in her call, and he is able to make contact with her? John On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:25:56 +0000, KØHB wrote: "Kim" wrote If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is around, does it make a sound? Kim W5TIT If a man is in the forest and says something, but there's no woman around to hear it, is he still wrong? Couldn't make any sense of John's retort. And, naw, the man wouldn't be wrong if he's holding the credit card for the taking...LOL Kim W5TIT |
Kim:
Ahhh, I think the old guys who used to have to worry about winding a filament choke for an old tube PA are still worried. Indeed, there are probably some around who remember when the filament used to be the cathode! Perhaps they even worry more... There eyes are not as good as they used to be, probably from trying to read news papers from the purplish-bluish glow of gassy finals. Maybe they just can't read the text here anymore. Kim, don't you ever wonder who setup newsgroups for them on their computer, isn't pretty obvious they could not? Who then, grandkids? Some of these old guys probably even remember very old and ancient tubes, where thorium was included into the filaments metal to increase electron emission, and to "rejuvenate" the tube you would have to run the filament at an increased voltage to over-heat and to get some of the thorium to come up to the surface. Not long ago (decade or two) this was still being done on TV cathode ray tubes, some oscilloscope crts could be rejuved the same way... That was the lair of these old brass pounders, around equip and practices which is now only found in museums--and old hams shacks... Wonder a NC Tech (and a woman even!--with a "hard to pronounce call!"--something like "Lake Titicaca?" grin) can survive here, don't they tend to "use up all the air in room", leaving one wanting for outside and a fresh breath of air? grin John "Kim" wrote in message t... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Kim: Well, there ya go, the only people you would consider fitting to converse with have proven they are a ham to you. Of course, this is going to rather limit your social skills and world quite a bit, wouldn't be surprized if you don't know ALL ~300,000 by name (that might be an over-estimate.) Don't worry, why you are there doing "ham sorting" the world goes on, we will keep you abreast of the changes which have occured while you have been engaged in you little diversion. John Not at all. I've never really paid any attention to whether someone has a call or not. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I am just surprised you haven't run into that on the newsgroup yet. From someone such as...hmmm, trying to remember who that matters to, usually...Dave Heil, I believe I've seen razzing Len for not being an amateur radio operator. Others...but, was just wondering if it'd ever been an issue. Oh, and then there's those who raz about people being annonymous, etc. Guess you've not had that happen yet, either. Although, come to think of it...there's not that many of the "regulars" who are communicating with you... So maybe it's still an issue, just not as noticeable as it used to be... Kim W5TIT |
"Dee Flint" wrote in
: "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... Alun L. Palmer wrote: "John Smith" wrote in break There is one loose end, though. I read the NPRM to say that Tech+ would become closed, so that all new Techs would have to get element 3 to get on HF, but others have read it that all Techs would get Tech+ privileges. Does anyone know which is right? I read it as techs all tech end up with what amounts to what was once called tech plus, but anyone that claims to know what the result is likely to prove themselves a lair If you are talking about the US proposal, read the NPRM through a couple of times. They discuss this at great length. Techs will not get Tech+ privileges. Anyone who wants to increase their privileges will have to take a test. They specifically state that no one will get any changes in privileges. That is also consistent with the way the paragraphs will be reworded as shown in the appendix. Finally, one of the posters on eHam called the FCC on this and asked for and got clarification. He was told that Techs will not get Tech+ privileges. It is indeed the FCC's position that anyone desiring more than their current privileges must take the appropriate written test. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE That is how I read it too, but it was a little hard to be sure without a copy of Part 97 in front of me, plus a few people had made posts that interpreted it the other way. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Kim: [snip] Wonder a NC Tech (and a woman even!--with a "hard to pronounce call!"--something like "Lake Titicaca?" grin) can survive here, don't they tend to "use up all the air in room", leaving one wanting for outside and a fresh breath of air? grin John You haven't been paying attention. Kim is a Tech Plus. She has chosen to stay at that level since HF holds no interest for her. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message . .. "Dee Flint" wrote in : "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... Alun L. Palmer wrote: "John Smith" wrote in break There is one loose end, though. I read the NPRM to say that Tech+ would become closed, so that all new Techs would have to get element 3 to get on HF, but others have read it that all Techs would get Tech+ privileges. Does anyone know which is right? I read it as techs all tech end up with what amounts to what was once called tech plus, but anyone that claims to know what the result is likely to prove themselves a lair If you are talking about the US proposal, read the NPRM through a couple of times. They discuss this at great length. Techs will not get Tech+ privileges. Anyone who wants to increase their privileges will have to take a test. They specifically state that no one will get any changes in privileges. That is also consistent with the way the paragraphs will be reworded as shown in the appendix. Finally, one of the posters on eHam called the FCC on this and asked for and got clarification. He was told that Techs will not get Tech+ privileges. It is indeed the FCC's position that anyone desiring more than their current privileges must take the appropriate written test. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE That is how I read it too, but it was a little hard to be sure without a copy of Part 97 in front of me, plus a few people had made posts that interpreted it the other way. I found it took a couple of readings AND getting out my copy of Part 97 and doing a comparison to have confidence in my conclusion. By the way, it's not a bad idea to keep a copy of the current Part 97 on hand. A person tends to forget those areas that relate to activities that they only do occasionally. I always have to look up the rules on digital since I only hook it up every couple of years. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Kim wrote:
Although, come to think of it...there's not that many of the "regulars" who are communicating with you... So maybe it's still an issue, just not as noticeable as it used to be... Bingo! - Mike KB3EIA - |
"John Smith" wrote in message
... Kim: Kim, don't you ever wonder who setup newsgroups for them on their computer, isn't pretty obvious they could not? Who then, grandkids? Me personally. I don't have a problem with someone who is, even, entrenched in tradition of something, which is pretty much what it seems you're describing in the paragraphs above that sentance there and that sentance. I don't know how to plumb a house, install wiring for electricity, rebuild a transmission, diagnose and treat my self medically, etc. And, I don't begrudge the people who do for having some pride in the tradition of "their" ways (whomever "their" may be). Where I do have a problem--and I don't see it much anymore, save a few idiots, is where that pride in tradition translates to some kind of inalienable right to belittle others for getting there differently and choosing to walk to the beat of a different drum. That was the lair of these old brass pounders, around equip and practices which is now only found in museums--and old hams shacks... And, what a wonderful thing that is. I am also in awe of the memory of people who forged this country on foot, horseback, train, early cars and dirt roads and now shoot themselves into space with all the threats to life and safety that is attached to that. Wonder a NC Tech (and a woman even!--with a "hard to pronounce call!"--something like "Lake Titicaca?" grin) can survive here, don't they tend to "use up all the air in room", leaving one wanting for outside and a fresh breath of air? grin Not at all. The idiots don't even do that. I am not sure there's any NC Techs on this newsgroup, either. I may be the lowest license class amateur here, and that is Tech+. Kim W5TIT |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Kim: [snip] Wonder a NC Tech (and a woman even!--with a "hard to pronounce call!"--something like "Lake Titicaca?" grin) can survive here, don't they tend to "use up all the air in room", leaving one wanting for outside and a fresh breath of air? grin John You haven't been paying attention. Kim is a Tech Plus. She has chosen to stay at that level since HF holds no interest for her. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE 'Zackly. Kim W5TIT |
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
... Kim wrote: Although, come to think of it...there's not that many of the "regulars" who are communicating with you... So maybe it's still an issue, just not as noticeable as it used to be... Bingo! - Mike KB3EIA - Shhhhhh. Does anyone have another halter? Kim W5TIT |
Ohhh, tech plus, I stand corrected, and you are right, I missed that point!
Sorry Kim! John On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:11:11 -0400, Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Kim: [snip] Wonder a NC Tech (and a woman even!--with a "hard to pronounce call!"--something like "Lake Titicaca?" grin) can survive here, don't they tend to "use up all the air in room", leaving one wanting for outside and a fresh breath of air? grin John You haven't been paying attention. Kim is a Tech Plus. She has chosen to stay at that level since HF holds no interest for her. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Kim:
Good post, I can't disagree with much there. People are funny, no accounting for some of their views, beliefs and ways, I guess. One thing we can hold faith in, if some strive to hold back progress as much as it looks like the are to me, I believe strongly they will only fail. As, anyone over-looking our past can plainly see, the only thing which has truly been consistant is the push forward, always on to new technology and better hardware and methods. Some fear tomorrow, some can't wait for it to get here... John On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:41:01 +0000, Kim wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Kim: Kim, don't you ever wonder who setup newsgroups for them on their computer, isn't pretty obvious they could not? Who then, grandkids? Me personally. I don't have a problem with someone who is, even, entrenched in tradition of something, which is pretty much what it seems you're describing in the paragraphs above that sentance there and that sentance. I don't know how to plumb a house, install wiring for electricity, rebuild a transmission, diagnose and treat my self medically, etc. And, I don't begrudge the people who do for having some pride in the tradition of "their" ways (whomever "their" may be). Where I do have a problem--and I don't see it much anymore, save a few idiots, is where that pride in tradition translates to some kind of inalienable right to belittle others for getting there differently and choosing to walk to the beat of a different drum. That was the lair of these old brass pounders, around equip and practices which is now only found in museums--and old hams shacks... And, what a wonderful thing that is. I am also in awe of the memory of people who forged this country on foot, horseback, train, early cars and dirt roads and now shoot themselves into space with all the threats to life and safety that is attached to that. Wonder a NC Tech (and a woman even!--with a "hard to pronounce call!"--something like "Lake Titicaca?" grin) can survive here, don't they tend to "use up all the air in room", leaving one wanting for outside and a fresh breath of air? grin Not at all. The idiots don't even do that. I am not sure there's any NC Techs on this newsgroup, either. I may be the lowest license class amateur here, and that is Tech+. Kim W5TIT |
Michael:
Strange, fearing old hams which must lurk in shadows hoping the youngsters will fear them out of past deeds of glory. I suppose people always have a fear of the unknown, as long as you don't know the evil--it takes on a grand size and threat... Naaa, I think they fear change. Even they know it is inevitable, Mr. Anderson... John On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:05:42 -0400, Michael Coslo wrote: Kim wrote: Although, come to think of it...there's not that many of the "regulars" who are communicating with you... So maybe it's still an issue, just not as noticeable as it used to be... Bingo! - Mike KB3EIA - |
Kim wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Kim: cut Not at all. The idiots don't even do that. I am not sure there's any NC Techs on this newsgroup, either. I may be the lowest license class amateur here, and that is Tech+. You are in error Kim there is one NC Tech present, myself Kim W5TIT |
"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com... Kim wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Kim: cut Not at all. The idiots don't even do that. I am not sure there's any NC Techs on this newsgroup, either. I may be the lowest license class amateur here, and that is Tech+. You are in error Kim there is one NC Tech present, myself Kim W5TIT Well, I'll be derned! :) Kim W5TIT |
From: "John Smith" on Tues 2 Aug 2005 22:47
Kim: Ahhh, I think the old guys who used to have to worry about winding a filament Wonder a NC Tech (and a woman even!--with a "hard to pronounce call!"--something like "Lake Titicaca?" grin) can survive here, don't they tend to "use up all the air in room", leaving one wanting for outside and a fresh breath of air? grin Well, I would nominate for this din of inequity a Commenter of the 1st of August on WT Docket 05-235: Rowena (Renie) von Gortler, US Army Command Sergeant Major, Retired. :-) Indicated address is Lampasas, TX, and I doubt any "girly-man" has a given name of "Rowena." Not in Texas at any rate... BTW, a Command Sergeant Major outranks a murine Gunnery Sergeant... :-) Sunnuvagun! big gun |
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