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Comments to the FCC on WT 05-235
Here's my submission to the FCC.
Can we have just post our comments here and take the editorials to other threads, Ladies and Gentlemen? 73 Steve, K4YZ Ladies and Gentlemen of the Commission, Greetings, The issue of whether or not to remove Morse Code competency testing has been a heated and hotly contested issue for years. Many persons cite the evolution of new technologies and methodologies of communications as having made Morse Code "archaic", while on the otherhand some demand it's retention as "traditional". There is certainly precedent for allowing Amateurs access to the HF spectrum (below 30Mhz) without Morse Code competency, however this respondent believes that dropping it completely will be an overall detriment to the Amateur Radio Service. The Basis And Purpose of the Amateur Radio Service as outlined in Part 97 provides that the Amateur Service shall provide a trained pool of radio operators for emergency service. And technology notwithstanding, Morse Code remains the simplest, most easily deployed communications mode available to Amateurs worldwide. To drop this requirement simply because military or commercial users no longer use it is foolhearty. However I am in favor of allowing access to the HF allocations without the benefit of a Morse Code examination with the restriction that non-Morse tested Amateurs not be allowed access to those parts of the spectrum wherein voice (wideband) modes are not permittted. Without the basic skills of being able to recognize whether or not they are potentially interfering with other communications, the non-Morse tested operator should be restricted to areas wherein they will have less likelyhood of causing such interference. I thank you for this opportunity to participate in the rule-making process. STEVEN J ROBESON, LPN Amateur Radio Licensee K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. Can we have just post our comments here and take the editorials to other threads, Ladies and Gentlemen? 73 Steve, K4YZ Ladies and Gentlemen of the Commission, Greetings, The issue of whether or not to remove Morse Code competency testing has been a heated and hotly contested issue for years. Many persons cite the evolution of new technologies and methodologies of communications as having made Morse Code "archaic", while on the otherhand some demand it's retention as "traditional". There is certainly precedent for allowing Amateurs access to the HF spectrum (below 30Mhz) without Morse Code competency, however this respondent believes that dropping it completely will be an overall detriment to the Amateur Radio Service. The Basis And Purpose of the Amateur Radio Service as outlined in Part 97 provides that the Amateur Service shall provide a trained pool of radio operators for emergency service. And technology notwithstanding, Morse Code remains the simplest, most easily deployed communications mode available to Amateurs worldwide. To drop this requirement simply because military or commercial users no longer use it is foolhearty. However I am in favor of allowing access to the HF allocations without the benefit of a Morse Code examination with the restriction that non-Morse tested Amateurs not be allowed access to those parts of the spectrum wherein voice (wideband) modes are not permittted. Without the basic skills of being able to recognize whether or not they are potentially interfering with other communications, the non-Morse tested operator should be restricted to areas wherein they will have less likelyhood of causing such interference. I thank you for this opportunity to participate in the rule-making process. STEVEN J ROBESON, LPN Amateur Radio Licensee K4YZ interesting that it says almost of relavance since it never deals with the real issue of regulation, that being the Public interest, and sugesting that HF access be allowed but only where digital mode that these new folks are suposed to be bring a revolution makes it a fraud as well one does not need to to be able to read a morse coded CW tranmission to hear that it is there, and from what I read pactor and other mode are stumping on CW at times already in the hand of code tested hams, therefore code testing is proven ineffective at stoping this "problem" (I use the word graudly since I lack first hand knowledge of the nature and frenquency of the "problem") |
K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. Can we have just post our comments here and take the editorials to other threads, Ladies and Gentlemen? 73 KMA Steve, K4YZ Ladies and Gentlemen of the Commission, Greetings, Try treating your fellow hams like ladies and gentlemen, Steve. Your 1,000+ comments each month treat people like dirt. |
"K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... Here's my submission to the FCC. Can we have just post our comments here and take the editorials to other threads, Ladies and Gentlemen? Steve, K4YZ --------- OK, here's what I (K2UNK) just sent in: 1. I have been an amateur for over 45 years and hold an Extra class license. I fully endorse the proposed rules changes by the FCC in NPRM 05-235 which, if so adopted will end all code testing. 2. The discussion and debate on the need for any code testing was fully covered some 5 years ago by the FCC with not one compelling reason identified that could justify continued code testing except for the international treaty to which the USA was a party to. 3. As the FCC clearly notes, that treaty has now eliminated (via WRC-2003) any required code testing and now clears the path for full deletion of code testing for USA amateurs. 4. Accordingly, and in the absence of any new compelling rational to retain a code test, the FCC has only one logical choice.end all code Testing. Respectfully, Bill Sohl, K2UNK |
b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. Can we have just post our comments here and take the editorials to other threads, Ladies and Gentlemen? 73 KMA Uh huh. About what I expected and whom I expected it from. Pretty much substantiates my claims about who pulls threads into rants, etc etc etc. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Commission, Greetings, Try treating your fellow hams like ladies and gentlemen, Steve. OK...From now on I will treat you like a lady, Brain, but only since you asked me to do it. Your 1,000+ comments each month treat people like dirt. Nope...Just the liars, deceivers and cheats. Which pretty much narrows it down to you, Lennie, Mark Morgan and Toaddie. Pretty small field when you consider the overall size of the race. No "73" for you...You very aptly proved who's what here, Brain. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. Can we have just post our comments here and take the editorials to other threads, Ladies and Gentlemen? 73 KMA Uh huh. About what I expected and whom I expected it from. Pretty much substantiates my claims about who pulls threads into rants, etc etc etc. if by that you mean that some folks like myself will not allow you to control the newsgroup then of course you are right Ladies and Gentlemen of the Commission, Greetings, Try treating your fellow hams like ladies and gentlemen, Steve. OK...From now on I will treat you like a lady, Brain, but only since you asked me to do it. Your 1,000+ comments each month treat people like dirt. Nope...Just the liars, deceivers and cheats. Which pretty much narrows it down to you, Lennie, Mark Morgan and Toaddie. Pretty small field when you consider the overall size of the race. No "73" for you...You very aptly proved who's what here, Brain. Steve, K4YZ |
From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14
K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. Can we have just post our comments here and take the editorials to other threads, Ladies and Gentlemen? 73 KMA Uh huh. About what I expected and whom I expected it from. Pretty much substantiates my claims about who pulls threads into rants, etc etc etc. if by that you mean that some folks like myself will not allow you to control the newsgroup then of course you are right Stebie has a terrible NEED to control others and acts like all his diagreers are the Antichrist, spawn of satan, or evil incarnate come to bedevil HIM, the DILL Instructor of this murine corpse. :-) I love Stebie's opening "salutation" to the FCC on WT Docket 05-235: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Commission, Greetings, Geez, Stebie is giving a SPEECH for an assembled group! :-) He steps up to the podium, adjusts the microphone, takes a sip of water, opens his speech text copy notebook and beings to SPEAK! [poor guy didn't get any thunderous applause when he was finished...snif, snif...] At 445 12th St. S.W. in DC is someone at a desk, using a workstation, pulling down incoming Comments on WT Docket 05-235 at an average rate of about 52 a day...and Stebie thinks he is making a SPEECH! Gotta love the immense EGO on the DILL Instructor with the askew campaign hat. Like the FCC folks love "getting SPOKEN to?" :-) If Bill Cross had the FCC making a decision contrary to what Stebie wants, Stebie would probably yell "Get down and gimme ten!" at him. :-) Ve are all Putzes in da ghetto while Stebie is up on the roof vid his fiddle, playing while his mind burns. Shalom! oye veh |
John Smith wrote:
Len: The test of any great speaker is if he can sell 'em the BS as sanity deserving a sane mans time... even George Bush is still hunting how to make that dream come true, and he has closets full of aids to assist him! ....and more than a few aides, though I don't think any are in the closet. Dave K8MN |
"K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... Here's my submission to the FCC. [snip] However I am in favor of allowing access to the HF allocations without the benefit of a Morse Code examination with the restriction that non-Morse tested Amateurs not be allowed access to those parts of the spectrum wherein voice (wideband) modes are not permittted. Without the basic skills of being able to recognize whether or not they are potentially interfering with other communications, the non-Morse tested operator should be restricted to areas wherein they will have less likelyhood of causing such interference. Steve, I have to disagree with you on the concept that only Morse tested operators be allowed to operate Morse. If the FCC is going to drop the code requirement (which seems certain now), the operators should be allowed the privileges of the comparable classes of today. Besides you don't have to be familiar with a mode to hear that someone is using the frequency and thus to know that you should go find another. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee Flint wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... Here's my submission to the FCC. [snip] However I am in favor of allowing access to the HF allocations without the benefit of a Morse Code examination with the restriction that non-Morse tested Amateurs not be allowed access to those parts of the spectrum wherein voice (wideband) modes are not permittted. Without the basic skills of being able to recognize whether or not they are potentially interfering with other communications, the non-Morse tested operator should be restricted to areas wherein they will have less likelyhood of causing such interference. Steve, I have to disagree with you on the concept that only Morse tested operators be allowed to operate Morse. That's not what I said, Dee... I said that non-Morse tested licesees shouldn't be allowed to operate in areas where voice modes are not permitted. There is a difference. If the FCC is going to drop the code requirement (which seems certain now), the operators should be allowed the privileges of the comparable classes of today. Besides you don't have to be familiar with a mode to hear that someone is using the frequency and thus to know that you should go find another. But you need to be able to be able to inquire as to the use of the frequency, etc. Just because I tune to 14.0xxMhz and not hear anything for a minute or so does NOT mean the frequency isn't being used. If they elect to go Code/Extra-NoCode/General, then we should consider some band plan allowances to give the NCG's a place to practice away from the skilled users. However that can be done on a "Gentleperson's Agreement" (notice the PC there...?!?!?!) , not a new "Novice" class license. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. Can we have just post our comments here and take the editorials to other threads, Ladies and Gentlemen? 73 KMA Uh huh. About what I expected and whom I expected it from. Pretty much substantiates my claims about who pulls threads into rants, etc etc etc. if by that you mean that some folks like myself will not allow you to control the newsgroup then of course you are right Stebie has a terrible NEED to control others and acts like all his diagreers are the Antichrist, spawn of satan, or evil incarnate come to bedevil HIM, the DILL Instructor of this murine corpse. :-) Like the Dems, he thinks he's in control....(can't even control his own impulses). I love Stebie's opening "salutation" to the FCC on WT Docket 05-235: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Commission, Greetings, Geez, Stebie is giving a SPEECH for an assembled group! :-) He steps up to the podium, adjusts the microphone, takes a sip of water, opens his speech text copy notebook and beings to SPEAK! [poor guy didn't get any thunderous applause when he was finished...snif, snif...] Welp, he've been saying since the last millenium that he's delusional... At 445 12th St. S.W. in DC is someone at a desk, using a workstation, pulling down incoming Comments on WT Docket 05-235 at an average rate of about 52 a day...and Stebie thinks he is making a SPEECH! Gotta love the immense EGO on the DILL Instructor with the askew campaign hat. Like the FCC folks love "getting SPOKEN to?" :-) Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! If Bill Cross had the FCC making a decision contrary to what Stebie wants, Stebie would probably yell "Get down and gimme ten!" at him. :-) Ve are all Putzes in da ghetto while Stebie is up on the roof vid his fiddle, playing while his mind burns. Shalom! oye veh Whatta kook. |
K4YZ wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... Here's my submission to the FCC. [snip] However I am in favor of allowing access to the HF allocations without the benefit of a Morse Code examination with the restriction that non-Morse tested Amateurs not be allowed access to those parts of the spectrum wherein voice (wideband) modes are not permittted. Without the basic skills of being able to recognize whether or not they are potentially interfering with other communications, the non-Morse tested operator should be restricted to areas wherein they will have less likelyhood of causing such interference. Steve, I have to disagree with you on the concept that only Morse tested operators be allowed to operate Morse. That's not what I said, Dee... you don't the shoe on other feet I said that non-Morse tested licesees shouldn't be allowed to operate in areas where voice modes are not permitted. There is a difference. and in that defference, you would (if the FCC was fool enough to listen to you) laid the groundwork for you and others to whine" why don't these new folks do the digital modes they promised" If the FCC is going to drop the code requirement (which seems certain now), the operators should be allowed the privileges of the comparable classes of today. Besides you don't have to be familiar with a mode to hear that someone is using the frequency and thus to know that you should go find another. But you need to be able to be able to inquire as to the use of the frequency, etc. Just because I tune to 14.0xxMhz and not hear anything for a minute or so does NOT mean the frequency isn't being used. right (where are the men in white suits?) Indeed I'd hope it is being used somewhere (but that might to too hopeful on my part) but it enough to make it a good bet that freq is not in use where this operator is working from, which is all that matters If as I am sure happens the poor fellows keys up sending RTTY or PSK31 and steps on one he could not hear then that is of course too bad, but if he could not hear them he could not hear them, testing him for morse code first will not improve his hearing If they elect to go Code/Extra-NoCode/General, then we should consider some band plan allowances to give the NCG's a place to practice away from the skilled users. However that can be done on a "Gentleperson's Agreement" (notice the PC there...?!?!?!) , not a new "Novice" class license. they will elect delusional again stevie 73 Steve, K4YZ |
b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend If Bill Cross had the FCC making a decision contrary to what Stebie wants, Stebie would probably yell "Get down and gimme ten!" at him. :-) Ve are all Putzes in da ghetto while Stebie is up on the roof vid his fiddle, playing while his mind burns. Shalom! oye veh Whatta kook. |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ps.com... Dee Flint wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... Here's my submission to the FCC. [snip] However I am in favor of allowing access to the HF allocations without the benefit of a Morse Code examination with the restriction that non-Morse tested Amateurs not be allowed access to those parts of the spectrum wherein voice (wideband) modes are not permittted. Without the basic skills of being able to recognize whether or not they are potentially interfering with other communications, the non-Morse tested operator should be restricted to areas wherein they will have less likelyhood of causing such interference. Steve, I have to disagree with you on the concept that only Morse tested operators be allowed to operate Morse. That's not what I said, Dee... I said that non-Morse tested licesees shouldn't be allowed to operate in areas where voice modes are not permitted. There is a difference. Yes I do see the difference. May I suggest clarifying that in your comments. i.e. They can operate code in the areas they have voice privileges but that there be an "exclusive" section for those who are code tested. If the FCC is going to drop the code requirement (which seems certain now), the operators should be allowed the privileges of the comparable classes of today. Besides you don't have to be familiar with a mode to hear that someone is using the frequency and thus to know that you should go find another. But you need to be able to be able to inquire as to the use of the frequency, etc. Just because I tune to 14.0xxMhz and not hear anything for a minute or so does NOT mean the frequency isn't being used. Technically we have the same problem today in some modes. If I want to operate on a "RTTY frequency" with some other mode (although I wouldn't do so), I cannot currently use RTTY to ask if the frequency is in use. Besides, if they are going to try to operate code, they will have studied it some and it won't be a major issue although it will happen now and then. In addition, the way for them to get better is to have the chance to communicate with the experienced. If they elect to go Code/Extra-NoCode/General, then we should consider some band plan allowances to give the NCG's a place to practice away from the skilled users. However that can be done on a "Gentleperson's Agreement" (notice the PC there...?!?!?!) , not a new "Novice" class license. I do NOT like the "Politically Correct" results of butchering the language. People are putting the em-PHA-sis on the wrong syl-LA-ble. If one studies the development of the English language, the term and suffix "man" originally simply meant human being. Females were "women" and males were "wermen". Instead of butchering the language perhaps we should resurrect the male prefix "wer-"? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
K4YZ:
You only need sit back and see what the Chicken Banders will want when they get here. I think their numbers will rather quickly put ancient hams in the back seat... I expect them to provide a whole different course to the direction of amateur radio, no one here will probably be able to guess how that is going to develop... John On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:16:21 -0700, K4YZ wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... Here's my submission to the FCC. [snip] However I am in favor of allowing access to the HF allocations without the benefit of a Morse Code examination with the restriction that non-Morse tested Amateurs not be allowed access to those parts of the spectrum wherein voice (wideband) modes are not permittted. Without the basic skills of being able to recognize whether or not they are potentially interfering with other communications, the non-Morse tested operator should be restricted to areas wherein they will have less likelyhood of causing such interference. Steve, I have to disagree with you on the concept that only Morse tested operators be allowed to operate Morse. That's not what I said, Dee... I said that non-Morse tested licesees shouldn't be allowed to operate in areas where voice modes are not permitted. There is a difference. If the FCC is going to drop the code requirement (which seems certain now), the operators should be allowed the privileges of the comparable classes of today. Besides you don't have to be familiar with a mode to hear that someone is using the frequency and thus to know that you should go find another. But you need to be able to be able to inquire as to the use of the frequency, etc. Just because I tune to 14.0xxMhz and not hear anything for a minute or so does NOT mean the frequency isn't being used. If they elect to go Code/Extra-NoCode/General, then we should consider some band plan allowances to give the NCG's a place to practice away from the skilled users. However that can be done on a "Gentleperson's Agreement" (notice the PC there...?!?!?!) , not a new "Novice" class license. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Steve, I have to disagree with you on the concept that only Morse tested operators be allowed to operate Morse. Actually, the converse exists today. There are Morse code only segments of 6m and 2m, and no code techs could operate there (using Morse code). So why not for CW segments of HF? |
John Smith wrote:
K4YZ: You only need sit back and see what the Chicken Banders will want when they get here. I think their numbers will rather quickly put ancient hams in the back seat... Those chicken banders still have to take the written tests. I doubt that many are prepared to pass. As for the newbies making dumb mistakes, well, newbies will make mistakes. Most will learn. Everyone was a newbie once... |
robert casey wrote: Steve, I have to disagree with you on the concept that only Morse tested operators be allowed to operate Morse. Actually, the converse exists today. There are Morse code only segments of 6m and 2m, and no code techs could operate there (using Morse code). So why not for CW segments of HF? because that is not how the process of making regs is suposed to work. to make a reg you need, in theory, a why, not a why not |
an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. |
b.b. wrote: an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. amusing that in all he pounces on he missed these posts and the one pointing accsuing Len of perjury before the FCC was libel (wether or not len was lying) guess soon he will claim the posts were never made |
an_old_friend wrote: b.b. wrote: an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. amusing that in all he pounces on he missed these posts and the one pointing accsuing Len of perjury before the FCC was libel (wether or not len was lying) guess soon he will claim the posts were never made That is definitely his mode of operation. Deny, deny, deny! |
b.b. wrote:
an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. ....but you've gotten your information from someone who just told us that the morse distress call is OSO. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: b.b. wrote: an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. ...but you've gotten your information from someone who just told us that the morse distress call is OSO. but it is ososososososos doesn't matter where I come in the signal I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with Dave K8MN |
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: b.b. wrote: an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. ...but you've gotten your information from someone who just told us that the morse distress call is OSO. but it is ososososososos No, it isn't. doesn't matter where I come in the signal Yes, it matters. I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with I can't understand your point. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dave Heil wrote: b.b. wrote: an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. ...but you've gotten your information from someone who just told us that the morse distress call is OSO. but it is ososososososos break No, it isn't. doesn't matter where I come in the signal Yes, it matters. gee you are looking like you need meds yourself indeed Say "A" and then you say not "A" makes one of them a lie of course, which one i don't know I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with I can't understand your point. can't or won't? Indeed from your problems understanding anything I realy can't accept as true the claims of folks like you that You can't undersatnd my posts, but you can undersatnd Morse encoded signals in real time, sent by real people I am quite certain one of those claims is lie as well, which of course is another matter Dave K8MN |
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Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dave Heil wrote: b.b. wrote: an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. ...but you've gotten your information from someone who just told us that the morse distress call is OSO. but it is ososososososos break No, it isn't. doesn't matter where I come in the signal Yes, it matters. gee you are looking like you need meds yourself indeed Say "A" and then you say not "A" makes one of them a lie of course, which one i don't know I've not said "A" or "not A". I've said that the morse distress call is not "ososososososo" I've said that it matters "where I come in the signal". It is "SOS", Mark, not "OSO" or "ososososososo". It isn't run together and it doesn't begin with "o". I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with I can't understand your point. can't or won't? I can't understand it, Mark. There are simply too many errors in spelling, grammar and word positioning to make an educated guess. Indeed from your problems understanding anything I realy can't accept as true the claims of folks like you that You can't undersatnd my posts, but you can undersatnd Morse encoded signals in real time, sent by real people That'll have to be one of your unsolved mysteries, Mark. I'd have trouble with morse if the words were misspelled and jumbled around. Oh, I could copy the letters, but they'd still represent gibberish. I am quite certain one of those claims is lie as well, which of course is another matter You seem to have great certainty that any number of people are simply lying about any number of things. Of course, that doesn't mean that you are correct. You're free to believe any crackpot thing you like. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dave Heil wrote: break No, it isn't. doesn't matter where I come in the signal Yes, it matters. gee you are looking like you need meds yourself indeed Say "A" and then you say not "A" makes one of them a lie of course, which one i don't know I've not said "A" or "not A". I've said that the morse distress call is not "ososososososo" nope you didn't say that you said "doesn't matter where I come in the signal" "Yes, it matters" so indeed you said "A" and then not "A" I've said that it matters "where I come in the signal". It is "SOS", Mark, not "OSO" or "ososososososo". It isn't run together and it doesn't begin with "o". and now again you are contradicting yourself, maybe you should go to bed and get some sleep I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with I can't understand your point. can't or won't? I can't understand it, Mark. There are simply too many errors in spelling, grammar and word positioning to make an educated guess. then you aren't very bright, can't read context, you certainly can't say what YOU mean, and expect folks to pick it out of the air but you won't bother doing so yourself Indeed from your problems understanding anything I realy can't accept as true the claims of folks like you that You can't undersatnd my posts, but you can undersatnd Morse encoded signals in real time, sent by real people That'll have to be one of your unsolved mysteries, Mark. I'd have trouble with morse if the words were misspelled and jumbled around. Oh, I could copy the letters, but they'd still represent gibberish. well better than Stevie he claims he read all morse but you should remember people who live glass house should dress in basement I am quite certain one of those claims is lie as well, which of course is another matter You seem to have great certainty that any number of people are simply lying about any number of things. Of course, that doesn't mean that you are correct. You're free to believe any crackpot thing you like. mighty generous of you Dave K8MN |
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Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dave Heil wrote: break No, it isn't. doesn't matter where I come in the signal Yes, it matters. gee you are looking like you need meds yourself indeed Say "A" and then you say not "A" makes one of them a lie of course, which one i don't know I've not said "A" or "not A". I've said that the morse distress call is not "ososososososo" nope you didn't say that you said "doesn't matter where I come in the signal" "Yes, it matters" so indeed you said "A" and then not "A" I see, Mark. I omitted an attribution so you'd like folks to think that I'm the person who originally wrote "doesn't matter where I come in the signal". The line was yours. I've said that it matters "where I come in the signal". It is "SOS", Mark, not "OSO" or "ososososososo". It isn't run together and it doesn't begin with "o". and now again you are contradicting yourself, maybe you should go to bed and get some sleep You know, that's exactly what I decided to do. I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with I can't understand your point. can't or won't? I can't understand it, Mark. There are simply too many errors in spelling, grammar and word positioning to make an educated guess. then you aren't very bright, can't read context, you certainly can't say what YOU mean, and expect folks to pick it out of the air but you won't bother doing so yourself I find it very amusing to be chastised by one whose posts read like a cryptogram. Indeed from your problems understanding anything I realy can't accept as true the claims of folks like you that You can't undersatnd my posts, but you can undersatnd Morse encoded signals in real time, sent by real people That'll have to be one of your unsolved mysteries, Mark. I'd have trouble with morse if the words were misspelled and jumbled around. Oh, I could copy the letters, but they'd still represent gibberish. well better than Stevie he claims he read all morse I believe I just said the same, Mark. Copying it is one thing; making sense of it is quite another. but you should remember people who live glass house should dress in basement I'll remember that, should it ever come up in conversation. I am quite certain one of those claims is lie as well, which of course is another matter You seem to have great certainty that any number of people are simply lying about any number of things. Of course, that doesn't mean that you are correct. You're free to believe any crackpot thing you like. mighty generous of you Nobody regulates your right to be in the dark about any topic. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: an old friend wrote: Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dave Heil wrote: break No, it isn't. doesn't matter where I come in the signal Yes, it matters. gee you are looking like you need meds yourself indeed Say "A" and then you say not "A" makes one of them a lie of course, which one i don't know I've not said "A" or "not A". I've said that the morse distress call is not "ososososososo" nope you didn't say that you said "doesn't matter where I come in the signal" "Yes, it matters" so indeed you said "A" and then not "A" I see, Mark. I omitted an attribution so you'd like folks to think that nope you did follow protocol, something you demend of others but fail to do yourself I'm the person who originally wrote "doesn't matter where I come in the signal". The line was yours. well you typed without putting it in quotes, which is the proper thing to do, therefore IT was reasonable to believe you indeed choose to make the statement yourself. after all you insist YOU follow the rules of english, and you Demand others do so, but then when you feel like it you don't bother with the rules yourself I've said that it matters "where I come in the signal". It is "SOS", Mark, not "OSO" or "ososososososo". It isn't run together and it doesn't begin with "o". and now again you are contradicting yourself, maybe you should go to bed and get some sleep You know, that's exactly what I decided to do. good for you I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with I can't understand your point. can't or won't? I can't understand it, Mark. There are simply too many errors in spelling, grammar and word positioning to make an educated guess. then you aren't very bright, can't read context, you certainly can't say what YOU mean, and expect folks to pick it out of the air but you won't bother doing so yourself I find it very amusing to be chastised by one whose posts read like a cryptogram. well you know if the shoe fits... Indeed from your problems understanding anything I realy can't accept as true the claims of folks like you that You can't undersatnd my posts, but you can undersatnd Morse encoded signals in real time, sent by real people That'll have to be one of your unsolved mysteries, Mark. I'd have trouble with morse if the words were misspelled and jumbled around. Oh, I could copy the letters, but they'd still represent gibberish. well better than Stevie he claims he read all morse I believe I just said the same, Mark. Copying it is one thing; making sense of it is quite another. ah yess Another MMM myth but you should remember people who live glass house should dress in basement I'll remember that, should it ever come up in conversation. I am quite certain one of those claims is lie as well, which of course is another matter You seem to have great certainty that any number of people are simply lying about any number of things. Of course, that doesn't mean that you are correct. You're free to believe any crackpot thing you like. mighty generous of you Nobody regulates your right to be in the dark about any topic. BUZZZZZ Stevie tries very hard Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: b.b. wrote: an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. ...but you've gotten your information from someone who just told us that the morse distress call is OSO. Dave K8MN Hit the invert key, old timer. |
an_old_friend wrote: Dave Heil wrote: b.b. wrote: an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. ...but you've gotten your information from someone who just told us that the morse distress call is OSO. but it is ososososososos doesn't matter where I come in the signal I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with These old farts would let the boat sink if the signal wasn't sent they way they want it sent. They're stubborn as hell. yryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryr yryryryryryryryryryryryryr The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs back. |
Dave Heil wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dave Heil wrote: b.b. wrote: an old friend wrote: b.b. wrote: wrote: From: "an old friend" on Thurs 4 Aug 2005 09:14 K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Here's my submission to the FCC. cut Steve has the ability to make friends wherever he goes. NOT! not true BB he does have the ability to make friends where ever he goes, he has made me several in Tennese last time I got a good 6m opening to there, I heard some of the chating about anaying over bearing extras, stevies call came indeed one hams said of him and I quote (stevie)... "is Papa Oscar Serria" we laughed and he made me a friend Why am I not suprised? I always figured he was out of control in many aspects of his life. Yet, he always maintained that he doesn't act on the air like he does here on RRAP. If that were true, he would be two-faced, which wouldn't suprise me. But to have it confirmed that he's Pappa Oscar Sierra on the air is a hoot. Thanks. ...but you've gotten your information from someone who just told us that the morse distress call is OSO. but it is ososososososos No, it isn't. doesn't matter where I come in the signal Yes, it matters. Mark, told you so. I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with I can't understand your point. Dave K8MN That's because you' a. thick b. obtuse c. smug d. all of the above |
Dave Heil wrote: I've said that the morse distress call is not "ososososososo" I've said that it matters "where I come in the signal". It is "SOS", Mark, not "OSO" or "ososososososo". It isn't run together and it doesn't begin with "o". Thank God that you're out of the radio communications business and only do it as a hobby. To think that someone would have to rely upon you for emcomms is frightening. Go back to working out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. |
b.b. wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dave Heil wrote: b.b. wrote: cut I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with These old farts would let the boat sink if the signal wasn't sent they way they want it sent. They're stubborn as hell. sure does look like it yryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryr yryryryryryryryryryryryryr The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs back. |
an_old_friend wrote: b.b. wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dave Heil wrote: b.b. wrote: cut I guess your pass if you missed the first letters saying well if he can't even get it right isn't worth bothering with These old farts would let the boat sink if the signal wasn't sent they way they want it sent. They're stubborn as hell. sure does look like it Guaranteed. They're a spiteful bunch. yryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryr yryryryryryryryryryryryryr The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs back. |
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