From: b.b. on Aug 5, 4:12 pm

John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are DAMN LIARS!"

When Hans proposed that in the brave new world of a No-Code HF License,
that one should have to take a Morse Code Test to use CW, Jim/N2EY said
that a Morse Code Test would be a -barrier- to Morse Code use. Hi!
It's always been a barrier.

True for many, Brian...and unworthy of keeping in federal
radio regulations about amateur radio.

Also true is that Jimmie has never refuted that quotation. It
may be that he has come to believe reality? Well, that may be
a bit too much to hope for...

too for

wrote:
From: b.b. on Aug 5, 4:12 pm

John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are DAMN LIARS!"

When Hans proposed that in the brave new world of a No-Code HF License,
that one should have to take a Morse Code Test to use CW, Jim/N2EY said
that a Morse Code Test would be a -barrier- to Morse Code use. Hi!
It's always been a barrier.

True for many, Brian...and unworthy of keeping in federal
radio regulations about amateur radio.

Also true is that Jimmie has never refuted that quotation. It
may be that he has come to believe reality? Well, that may be
a bit too much to hope for...

too for


If code testing is good for people who just want to use voice modes, it
must be doubly good for those who want to use CW.

CW gets through when everything else does.

b.b.:

Trust me, the internet gets through when CW will not...

John

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:24:09 -0700, b.b. wrote:


wrote:
From: b.b. on Aug 5, 4:12 pm

John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are DAMN LIARS!"

When Hans proposed that in the brave new world of a No-Code HF License,
that one should have to take a Morse Code Test to use CW, Jim/N2EY said
that a Morse Code Test would be a -barrier- to Morse Code use. Hi!
It's always been a barrier.

True for many, Brian...and unworthy of keeping in federal
radio regulations about amateur radio.

Also true is that Jimmie has never refuted that quotation. It
may be that he has come to believe reality? Well, that may be
a bit too much to hope for...

too for


If code testing is good for people who just want to use voice modes, it
must be doubly good for those who want to use CW.

CW gets through when everything else does.

John Smith wrote:
b.b.:

Trust me, the internet gets through when CW will not...

John

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:24:09 -0700, b.b. wrote:


wrote:
From: b.b. on Aug 5, 4:12 pm

John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are DAMN LIARS!"

When Hans proposed that in the brave new world of a No-Code HF License,
that one should have to take a Morse Code Test to use CW, Jim/N2EY said
that a Morse Code Test would be a -barrier- to Morse Code use. Hi!
It's always been a barrier.

True for many, Brian...and unworthy of keeping in federal
radio regulations about amateur radio.

Also true is that Jimmie has never refuted that quotation. It
may be that he has come to believe reality? Well, that may be
a bit too much to hope for...

too for


If code testing is good for people who just want to use voice modes, it
must be doubly good for those who want to use CW.

CW gets through when everything else does.

But, but, but...

You'll get told that the internet is as unreliable as cellular
telephones.

b.b.:

These guys and gals are telling a lot of people a lot of stuff, the
important thing is how many are deceived into believing...

John

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 18:04:52 -0700, b.b. wrote:


John Smith wrote:
b.b.:

Trust me, the internet gets through when CW will not...

John

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:24:09 -0700, b.b. wrote:


wrote:
From: b.b. on Aug 5, 4:12 pm

John Smith wrote:

Here the NCI offers proof and spells it out, just in case these old key
tappers are in danger of pulling some wool over your eyes...

http://www.nocode.org/articles/filter.html

As some have noted in the past, "There are liars, and there are DAMN LIARS!"

When Hans proposed that in the brave new world of a No-Code HF License,
that one should have to take a Morse Code Test to use CW, Jim/N2EY said
that a Morse Code Test would be a -barrier- to Morse Code use. Hi!
It's always been a barrier.

True for many, Brian...and unworthy of keeping in federal
radio regulations about amateur radio.

Also true is that Jimmie has never refuted that quotation. It
may be that he has come to believe reality? Well, that may be
a bit too much to hope for...

too for


If code testing is good for people who just want to use voice modes, it
must be doubly good for those who want to use CW.

CW gets through when everything else does.

But, but, but...

You'll get told that the internet is as unreliable as cellular
telephones.

From: John Smith on Aug 6, 3:36 pm

b.b.:

Trust me, the internet gets through when CW will not...

Yes, yes, John, it is useful for arranging skeds, holding rag-chews,
but the Internet NEEDS a personal computer! All the Mighty Macho
Morsemen know the "computer" is evil, high-tech bafflegab, and
THREATENS the Wetware modems now "in the service of the nation"
helping Homeland Security against wily terrorists out to destroy
their 1930s fantasy of hamme raddio and morsemanship.

Ahem..."CW gets through when nothing else will" is a hoary old
maxim (probably originating in Newington) that has been around
since the 1930s...back at a time when Claude Shannon had not
shown the radio world his marvelous Law relating bandwidth,
noise, error rate, and information throughput...back at a time
when there were only two modes in most of ham radio: CW and
old-fashioned AM voice. That "morse myth" has been engraved
on the concrete minds of hams seemingly forever.

At one time in here there was a pandemic epidemic of that
hoary hairy old morse myth over-quoted in here by the MMMs
of the deus ex machina mindset. Never mind the Latter-Day
Saints of Technology trying out PSK or 2 KHz BW SSB or fooling
with digitized voice, they, the Faithful Followers of the
Church of St. Hiram HAD to write that ad nauseum.

Brian put that hairy old hoar's breath into a TRUE
statement: "CW gets through when everything else does."
It is suprebly TRUE and without blemish.

End newsgroup history lesson.

awl end

Len:

With each passing year mother nature war on the ancient brass pounders
continues. This story has been told in many different countries in many
different forms, here we are probably most familiar with "The Rabbit and
the Hare."

Slow and steady stay the course, in the end progress and determination
succeed...

John

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 19:42:24 -0700, LenAnderson wrote:

From: John Smith on Aug 6, 3:36 pm

b.b.:

Trust me, the internet gets through when CW will not...

Yes, yes, John, it is useful for arranging skeds, holding rag-chews,
but the Internet NEEDS a personal computer! All the Mighty Macho
Morsemen know the "computer" is evil, high-tech bafflegab, and
THREATENS the Wetware modems now "in the service of the nation"
helping Homeland Security against wily terrorists out to destroy
their 1930s fantasy of hamme raddio and morsemanship.

Ahem..."CW gets through when nothing else will" is a hoary old
maxim (probably originating in Newington) that has been around
since the 1930s...back at a time when Claude Shannon had not
shown the radio world his marvelous Law relating bandwidth,
noise, error rate, and information throughput...back at a time
when there were only two modes in most of ham radio: CW and
old-fashioned AM voice. That "morse myth" has been engraved
on the concrete minds of hams seemingly forever.

At one time in here there was a pandemic epidemic of that
hoary hairy old morse myth over-quoted in here by the MMMs
of the deus ex machina mindset. Never mind the Latter-Day
Saints of Technology trying out PSK or 2 KHz BW SSB or fooling
with digitized voice, they, the Faithful Followers of the
Church of St. Hiram HAD to write that ad nauseum.

Brian put that hairy old hoar's breath into a TRUE
statement: "CW gets through when everything else does."
It is suprebly TRUE and without blemish.

End newsgroup history lesson.

awl end

From: John Smith on Sun 7 Aug 2005 10:31

Len:

With each passing year mother nature war on the ancient brass pounders
continues. This story has been told in many different countries in many
different forms, here we are probably most familiar with "The Rabbit and
the Hare."

Slow and steady stay the course, in the end progress and determination
succeed...

Thanks for a mediocre Obi Wan Kenobi imitation. sigh

Problem is, I ain't Luke Skywalker...but all the pro-coders
think they are Dearth Voder.

Tsk. I was giving you only a little insight how things
were IN HERE about 6 to 7 years ago. Was no "John Smith"
in here then.

obi wan

Len:

As long as evil exists in the world, there will always be a "John Smith"
to oppose it--a thousand deaths and the spirit of John Smith will live on.
This man is invincible and immortal, death is only a tunnel to the next
life, and to pick up the fight of evil men once again!

We stand at a unique time in history. The "Cult of the arrl" has fallen,
yet refuses to die an easy death. The ancient cloistered walls of blood
sucking amateurs is being thrown open to air the uncounted ancient pharts
which have polluted these halls. The evil deeds which have been done here
haunt the walls like insane spirits of ill will and dangerous plans.

The candle of progress threatens to cast light into even the darkest
corners of this ancient monastery. Those ancient ones (amateurs) who have
halted progress and kept radio as their personal "Moose Lodge" will have
their names despised and stricken from the records as a movement on the
scale of a "Biblical Event" slays the evil spirits who have brought radio
to its knees and sucked the blood from it veins. The stake is poised over
these black hearts of these evil men and the mallet begins its deadly
plunge towards its target...

A bright day is coming, "God Bless Amateur Radio!" We move towards the
day when extras and chicken banders will live in harmony!

Those brave men who still exist move to pick up their light-sabers and
enter the fray....

On the 'morrow we pray the battlefield be littered and deep with the
bodies of our enemies...

Luke Skywalker --AKA-- John Smith

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 15:47:28 -0700, LenAnderson wrote:

From: John Smith on Sun 7 Aug 2005 10:31

Len:

With each passing year mother nature war on the ancient brass pounders
continues. This story has been told in many different countries in many
different forms, here we are probably most familiar with "The Rabbit and
the Hare."

Slow and steady stay the course, in the end progress and determination
succeed...

Thanks for a mediocre Obi Wan Kenobi imitation. sigh

Problem is, I ain't Luke Skywalker...but all the pro-coders
think they are Dearth Voder.

Tsk. I was giving you only a little insight how things
were IN HERE about 6 to 7 years ago. Was no "John Smith"
in here then.

obi wan

From: John Smith on Aug 7, 3:43 pm

Len:

I await the day when the arrl (ancient retarded religious league) goes the
way of the dodo, or else, is taken over by under 40 year olds!

We need someone to crack a window and let some fresh air in!

Absolutely cannot be done unless "we" become MEMBERS and
"work for change from the 'inside'." [repeated warnings
from Dee Flint in here]

Problem is, the entrenched officials and BoD are RESISTANT
to "change from within" as evident from their regular BoD
Meeting Minutes given on their websites. They do things
THEIR way and expect all to fall-in and pop-to. After all,
they "represent all amateurs in the USA" and say so up
front.

I'll have to check out the QST advertising page on the website,
see if they have a new "Publisher's Sworn Statement" on their
membership numbers. ARRL have never had more than a quarter
of all licensed U.S. radio amateurs and, at the end of 2004,
had only about 20 percent of them according to membership
numbers they gave.

However, in THIS newsgroup, all of the PCTA extras bow down
and accept all League words as sacrosanct. After all, Hiram
Went To Washington right after the end of WW1 and "saved
ham radio" all by hisself. For that all are supposed to
forever show gratitude and obediance to the ARRL, even 86
years after that "fact"!

Something to consider: The present elected President of
the ARRL was a former salesman. [see connection? :-) ]

ant how