I agree, that way he can get his butt kicked in real style. Live on the
air.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Len:

I would like to encourage you to an amateur license, it is men like you
who will restore the caliber of the hobby... in some ways, your text
reminds me of the "old phart" who coached me on how to be a decent "old
phart." (well, I have been indecent too, but only around those of the
opposite sex--with their permission mind you! grin)

John

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:34:35 -0700, LenAnderson wrote:


Len:

You might have said, I missed it if that is the case, when/if CW is dead,
are you going to grab your extra ticket?

Maybe, maybe not. That's MY option, not based on the puerile
taunts of middle-schoolers who are of middle age going "nyah,
nyah, can't get a ticket, can't get a ticket!!!" :-)

Hmmm...I started out in HF communications with much more "action"
than the average, doing 24/7 comms with high-power (up to 40 KW)
transmitters shooting across the Pacific, plus doing VHF, UHF,
and - finally - multi-channel microwave radio relay over a half
century ago...winding up as an operations and maintenance
supervisor NCO. Then, on release from active duty, getting a
First 'Phone at an FCC field office (no COLEMs then) and working
four broadcast stations as vacation relief or on weekends or full
time for WREX-TV to gain enough money to come out west...having
already interviewed for and secured a job at Hughes Aircraft.
That led to a whole career, major major change to electronics
engineering winding up as senior staff in design. I'm supposed
to get a ham license to "prove I know something about radio?!?!?"

I don't have anything to "prove" to a bunch of yokels who want
to recreate the 1930s and 1940s in radiotelegraphy! Geezus,
gimme a break from those neanderthallers! What the fork do
think a ham license IS...some kind of Nobel Award for Science?!?
:-)

Amateur radio is fun, a recreational avocation done not for money
but for personal pleasure. It involves NO different radio physics
than any other radio service but it allows all the choice of
buying state-of-the-art radios to use or in building them from
their own designs. It requires a license to transmit RF due to a
federal law (an act of Congress) that created a federal regulatory
agency for ALL civil radio. The mindset of many hase been
"conditioned" by a certain membership organization to be much,
much more, a virtual lifestyle that has gotten too deep into the
myth and fantasy of long-ago times and dreams of glory and heroism
that never happened.

One argument is that "a ham can have their OWN station." Yes, I've
had "my own station" or properly, one-third of it in a business
partnership with two others. I've built/converted three "stations"
and checked them thoroughly befoe selling them, never once "using"
them or caring to use them. I've designed and built two other
transceivers for CB, one a prototype for a CB company in Burbank
that went bankrupt when faced with off-shore CB products cut them
out of profit action.

"I can work the world on radio with an amateur license!!!" Yes,
and I could pick up a handset in Tokyo, at ADA Control, and talk
to Seattle, Anchorage, San Francisco, Hawaii, or Okinawa any time
of the day or night, as I did for a while in 1955...without any
"license" or even any specific HF with/without SSB schooling of
any kind. I can "talk" to the rest of the world any time I want
to on the Internet, and have, plus being able to share images
with dozens of long-time friends (from pre-Internet days) faster
than by surface mail, uninterrupted by vagaries of the ionosphere.

"I can explore new radio territory and advance the state of the
radio art" with a ham license. What the fork do some of these
cretins think I was DOING FOR A LIVING since 1956? Without a ham
license I've legally transmitted RF on frequencies ranging through
EM bands from LF into EHF, on up to 4mm wavelengths. Gotten one
patent as sole inventor, had a terrific time in the labs and in the
field, still do it once in a while.

I once "worked a station" ON the moon. No moonbounce stuff. I
have to learn morse code in order to do THAT as an amateur?!?
(I don't have to test for morse code at VHF and up, just for
frequencies below 30 MHz...where I began doing HF communications
a half century before...without having to know or use morse code
then or any time afterwards)

If so, ya wanna meet down on 3.840 and give art a run for his money--in a
gentlemanly way of course. Don't go with disruptive actions myself...
debate and argument yes, trouble no... suspect you might be the same...
could be fun, ya never know... grin

No. If anyplace on ham bands, it would be on 20m where a bunch
of ex-RCA Corporation folks hang out on Saturday mornings. Talk
there is shared-interest stuff, not the personal polemics of
self-propelled radio potentates. Listen for KD6JG and W6MJN,
among others. I know them by their real names, not callsigns.

"I can be FEDERALLY-AUTHORIZED with MY OWN CALLSIGN if I get a
ham license!!!" Wow, ain't that something (like I've already
done that, but not with a ham license). I know where to get a
good ham sandwich nearby, the vendors needing only a Health
Department license to operate. [great pastrami at one place]

I DO need to renew my Poetic License. Time to study for Mores
Goad. :-)

buy buy

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...
I agree, that way he can get his butt kicked in real style. Live on the
air.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Len:

I would like to encourage you to an amateur license, it is men like you
who will restore the caliber of the hobby... in some ways, your text
reminds me of the "old phart" who coached me on how to be a decent "old
phart." (well, I have been indecent too, but only around those of the
opposite sex--with their permission mind you! grin)

John

No decent "old phart" resorts to derogatory diminutives in his dealings with
other people as Mr. Anderson has habitually done. You might want to think
carefully about who you would really want to emulate when you become one
yourself.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...
cut your support of morse code welfare

cut

Thank goodness. Well at least "old friend" knows he is not in the
group.

I for one am proud to hold a Amateur Radio License. I have NO REASON at
all
to not be. On the other hand we have.......well you know who you are.

So am I proud of my license just not proud of many of the other holders
of them, esp those that put their mode ahead of the interests of the
rest of us

And by that you are infering that I do that, eh? Give me an example.
Besides a quote from Lennie that is.

your own support of proetected segments for CW for one another you
attitutde that new comers must mind there place
all your words not lens

Dan/W4NTI

Dee:

From the text and exchanges here, I honestly wonder how most here got
their tickets! Then, they have the audacity to act like judges on who
should have tickets--I hope you all stick together, you are all you guys
have got!

John

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:24:56 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...
I agree, that way he can get his butt kicked in real style. Live on the
air.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Len:

I would like to encourage you to an amateur license, it is men like you
who will restore the caliber of the hobby... in some ways, your text
reminds me of the "old phart" who coached me on how to be a decent "old
phart." (well, I have been indecent too, but only around those of the
opposite sex--with their permission mind you! grin)

John

No decent "old phart" resorts to derogatory diminutives in his dealings with
other people as Mr. Anderson has habitually done. You might want to think
carefully about who you would really want to emulate when you become one
yourself.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Len:

Most here are a prime example of why some look at amateur radio and just
say--HELL NO!

I get the feeling I am in a room of blind people on an LSD trip, and they
think they have vision!

John

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:34:24 -0700, wrote:

From: John Smith on Aug 23, 8:23 pm

Len:

I would like to encourage you to an amateur license, it is men like you
who will restore the caliber of the hobby... in some ways, your text
reminds me of the "old phart" who coached me on how to be a decent "old
phart." (well, I have been indecent too, but only around those of the
opposite sex--with their permission mind you! grin)

Sorry, John, but encouragment requires much training into
being a human modem working with a 161-year-old code set.
Further, I would have to go into detoxification of ANY THOUGHT
of CHANGING AMATEUR RADIO FROM WHAT IT IS! Dan da Morse Man
has SPOKEN! Change is NOT allowed.

Dan da Macho Morse Man speaks in FIFTY CALIBER forbidding ALL
change.

Dan is a hidebound, set-in-concrete-with-armor-plate traditionalist
conservative ready to go into combat with Weapons of Morse
Dedication to rid the world of upstart, liberal (euywww, spit)
thoughts of EVER removing the morse code test!

Dan is in his command track right now directing traffic (through
the nearest 2m repeater of course), ready to Flash Fire any
least sign of disturbance of his thoughts. Meanwhile, from an
undisclosed location, I am silently watching, monitoring all this
from a high UAV loaded with missles...taking aim... :-)

This is NOT about having fun with amateur radio, doing hobby
things for personal pleasure. This is WAR to Dan da Morse Man.
All do as HE SAY!

bip bip

From: John Smith on Aug 24, 7:08 pm

Dee:

From the text and exchanges here, I honestly wonder how most here got
their tickets! Then, they have the audacity to act like judges on who
should have tickets--I hope you all stick together, you are all you guys
have got!

Lissen up, witeboy, dey gots da 'HOOD organ-ized!

Nobody mess wif no homeboys, you got dat yanno?



^^^^^ - That's the way they come across.



On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:24:56 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:

No decent "old phart" resorts to derogatory diminutives in his dealings with
other people as Mr. Anderson has habitually done.

Tsk. Poor Dee is miffed and a half because I didn't liberally apply
nice-nice oil to her transcript of recorded ARRL maxims some time
ago. Her feelings are still hurt. Boo hoo.

You might want to think
carefully about who you would really want to emulate when you become one
yourself.

Tsk. Dee's vision suffers extreme League-induced astigmatism.

The PCTA are about as OLDE-PHARTE as one can possibly be. Look at
them: A middle-aged-going-on-ninety "renowned historian"
desperately wanting to come across as numero uno guru; a nearly past
middle-aged snarlygram-spouting "veteran of the holy foreign
service" who thinks his velvet glove is an iron fist; a middle-aged
"veteran of foreign wars" spouting off like it was well-drink time
at the Legion Hall; a past-middle-age hoagie-muncher who shot bears
for navel intelligence. Then we have the female acolyte worshiping
at the Church of St. Hiram repeating the beloved maxims of the
order as if she were mama superior.

All must do as they DICTATE. In a hobby. All who do not obey are
sub-human for they believe intelligence only shines through
morsemanship. All will have fun whether we like it or not...

Wow. Show some individuality, some freedom of expression, some free
thinking OUTSIDE of the cloister and they become unglued, unable to
cope with new thoughts, new ideas, differing opinions. All must be
as ordained by the Ancients, never ever to be changed...

Amen.

all sam

"Dee Flint" wrote in
:


"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
...
wrote in
oups.com:

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
wrote in message
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Carl R. Stevenson wrote:


Yhr FCC has already agreed to let the Novices and Tech plusses use the
General frequencies for CW. It's mentionned in passing in the NPRM.
However, I think they do envisage simply turning over an equivalent
amount of spectrum to phone, that is to say equivalent to the size of
the current Novice CW subbands.


No that is not what the FCC has agreed to as of yet. They mention that
there is another proposal out there to do this but they have not acted
on it. There wording does seem to indicate that they favor the change
though. It's not a really hot issue as there are very few active
Novices and Tech Plus amateurs out there. Most of the active ones have
upgraded and it's irrelevant to the inactive ones. Hopefully it will
encourage them to become more active since there is much more activity
in the General portion of the band.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




It does say it will be in a different NPRM, but as you say, they seem to
favour it, so I beleive that means it will happen.

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...
cut your support of morse code welfare

cut

Thank goodness. Well at least "old friend" knows he is not in the
group.

I for one am proud to hold a Amateur Radio License. I have NO REASON
at
all
to not be. On the other hand we have.......well you know who you
are.

So am I proud of my license just not proud of many of the other holders
of them, esp those that put their mode ahead of the interests of the
rest of us

And by that you are infering that I do that, eh? Give me an example.
Besides a quote from Lennie that is.

your own support of proetected segments for CW for one another you
attitutde that new comers must mind there place
all your words not lens

Dan/W4NTI


Well at least I have the gonads to use a real call and name.

First off asking for a CW only segment is not all that far fetched. I have
been trying to work on 40 cw ever since the ARRL came out with the latest
"gentleman's agreement" of allowing digital to operate within the CW ranges.
Total failure. So why should I expect anything better? Of course BB you
wouldn't know that would you? So why not just stick with what you KNOW
about? And do us all a favor.

You are obviously a product of the 1960 feel good free love society. You
were most certainly TAUGHT by them. I feel sorry for you. This actually
explains your problem. So I can't blame you for your "problems".

Don't forget to send in those dues to the ACLU.

Dan/W4NTI

From: John Smith on Wed 24 Aug 2005 19:10

Len:

Most here are a prime example of why some look at amateur radio and just
say--HELL NO!

I get the feeling I am in a room of blind people on an LSD trip, and they
think they have vision!

You ARE and they are all having visions... :-)

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
cut
s

And by that you are infering that I do that, eh? Give me an example.
Besides a quote from Lennie that is.

your own support of proetected segments for CW for one another you
attitutde that new comers must mind there place
all your words not lens

Dan/W4NTI


Well at least I have the gonads to use a real call and name.

First off asking for a CW only segment is not all that far fetched. I have

After for a CW Only segment and expecting to gte what you want is plain
nuts. look what happend in VHF you got a couple right at the top of 2M
and at the top of some other band

been trying to work on 40 cw ever since the ARRL came out with the latest
"gentleman's agreement" of allowing digital to operate within the CW ranges.
Total failure. So why should I expect anything better? Of course BB you

Total failure meaning CW can't compete as I have beens aying for years

wouldn't know that would you? So why not just stick with what you KNOW
about? And do us all a favor.

why don't you grow up and stop asking for protection of your petty
interests?


You are obviously a product of the 1960 feel good free love society. You
were most certainly TAUGHT by them. I feel sorry for you. This actually
explains your problem. So I can't blame you for your "problems".

Naw you have it wrong again. I am a bit too old to taught by the 1960's
folks

Don't forget to send in those dues to the ACLU.

No way the ACLU isn't the demon say Bill O'Riealy wants to make them
out as as but they are not folks that I support either

Dan/W4NTI