Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

snip
Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit.


Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some
details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful
not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed
several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None
of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them
remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for
giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you?

Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your
disposal as I do, so I recommend you use them instead, rather than
making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my
mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them!

Several of my "buds" (with whom I still stay in contact with) from
the MCAS El Toro Aero Club were tracks and armor guys from Pendleton.
What are the odds if I say "Who's Frank Gilliland and what did he do
for the Marines?" that they'll shrug their shoulders and say "Frank
who...?!?!"

BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's
a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms,
active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"?

Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to
keep from looking like a fool, Frank.

But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping.

Steve, K4YZ

On 21 Aug 2005 04:39:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
. com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

snip
Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit.


Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career.

BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


Thank you for that passive-agressive response; it did much to confirm
my suspicions.


After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some
details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful
not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed
several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None
of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them
remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for
giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you?

Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your
disposal as I do,


Even more than you might expect.


so I recommend you use them instead, rather than
making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my
mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them!


I call it like I see it.


Several of my "buds" (with whom I still stay in contact with) from
the MCAS El Toro Aero Club were tracks and armor guys from Pendleton.


......"armor guys"?


What are the odds if I say "Who's Frank Gilliland and what did he do
for the Marines?" that they'll shrug their shoulders and say "Frank
who...?!?!"


You never know. Quite a few friends from boot camp ended up at
Pendleton (including one of the Marines currently on active-duty that
I contacted), and I was with 2nd AAV for almost a year. I also used to
hang out with some of the tankers at Stumps. Don't forget that there
weren't too many Marines in garrison after Viet-Nam, and techs were an
even smaller group. If you know a radio tech from tanks or amtraks at
the same time I was in then there's a real possibility he knows me or
I know him (or her, although most WM techs were sent to 4th or 5th
echelon stations). Heck, I even know a couple that got stationed in
Hawaii, the lucky *******s! But it might help to mention that I went
to GRRC at Stumps with the late Cpl. Moses Arnold -- the "class
clown", and truly one of the nicest guys you could ever meet (yeah,
people say that casually about a lot of people but Moses earned it).
To make things even easier for you, would it help if I provided a list
of recruits from my platoon at MCRD? Or the Marines from the BE and
GRRC classes at MCCES? Or from the Comm Platoons at 3/8 or 2nd AAV?
It's not a problem since I remember almost all their names. Most
Marines do, which is why I don't think you will have much of a problem
finding at least one or two that remember me. So feel free to check
with your fellow Marines (assuming, of course, you are telling the
truth).

And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC, feel free to
check the front desk register (late Spring to early Fall, 1984) at the
US/UK embassy in Beirut. Or you could email Ollie North (then a Major)
who's office was on the 4th floor at the end of the hall opposite to
the ambassador's office. He might remember me as the tech from the
Nassau who put his sat dish back up after the mortar round bounced off
the roof, and replaced the power supply for his URM-201 with the
shop's ugly-but-reliable supply with the plywood bottom. (BTW, if you
-do- get into contact with Lt. Col. North, ask him if he knows who
owned that mint 1961 Chrysler 300 in the back parking lot!)


BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's
a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms,
active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"?

Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to
keep from looking like a fool, Frank.

But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping.


I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.









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Frank Gilliland wrote:

I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Stolen Valor comes to mind when Steve slipped about his "seven hostile
actions."

From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 21, 6:37 am

On 21 Aug 2005 04:39:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in

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Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit.

Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Thank you for that passive-agressive response; it did much to confirm
my suspicions.

You are quite right in your suspicions, Frank.

You will note that Robeson, when challenged, will immediately go
into deliberate misdirection with his hyena laughter or the
accusations of some sort of personal perfidy. It's almost SOP
for him.

After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some
details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful
not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed
several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None
of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them
remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for
giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you?

Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your
disposal as I do,

Even more than you might expect.

:-)

so I recommend you use them instead, rather than
making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my
mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them!

I call it like I see it.

We all do. :-)

snip

BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's
a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms,
active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"?

Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to
keep from looking like a fool, Frank.

But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping.

More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. :-(

I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

Earlier on, Robeson tried to avoid naming anything by stating
"he couldn't give away any secrets." A rather stupid remark in
iteself since the NAMES of radio-electronics equipment has NOT
been secret, has been published in Defense Electronics trade
magazine, been on the various branches' procurement IFBs
(Invitation For Bid), government reports, and so forth. Their
names, general function, all have been on public documents
for a half century. Brochures and pamphlets have been released
for publication about many forms of communications, done by
military units themselves...one of which is the main part of:


http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history...phabetsoup.pdf

Robeson couldn't even name the very common all-service small-unit
radio of his early time, the AN/PRC-25 or PRC-77. Only an eighth
of a million of those two types were produced. He couldn't recall
a single airborne radio name, not even the venerable AN/ARC-27
(before his time, really) or the (after his time) AN/ARC-210.
He didn't know the SINCGARS family of all-service small-unit
radios even though a quarter million sets were produced between
1989 and 2004. Radios. Military radios. "Not known" by someone
who had been in the Corps for 18 years, claiming to be "in"
radio communications? Highly unlikely. None of the "military
radio experience" posters in here knew the military designation
of the Collins KWM-2 transceiver, often used in MARS operations
in Vietnam. A ham, an Extra, who isn't familiar with Collins
Radios? Highly unlikely.

In much earlier newsgroup postings, Robeson stated he had a
medical discharge to explain not completing a full 20 years,
"due to an accident." Then, after several days, he changed
that to "honorable" claiming it was "changed later" by some
unspecified authority. Medical discharges are given for a
variety of reasons, not always due to physical disabilities.
[that's in Google archives]

Robeson has consistently tried to make fun of others' military
assignments, claiming his (classic) been in "seven hostile
actions." First of all servicemenbers don't have any choice
of what they do, they go and do whatever they are assigned,
wherever commanded. Only one out of about seven military
land forces, Army or Marines, are IN any combat zone or
actual fighting territory during a "hostile action." Second,
Robeson has NEVER DEFINED HIS "hostile action" in any specifics
as to WHEN and WHERE. He has glossed it over in generalities
"explaining" that he "knows it and need not explain it to us."
He usually remarks that HE has the "documentation" for it but
it remains unseen by the rest of us. He postures and preens,
implies greatness but without details. In other words, BS.

A classic case of Robeson's word-twisting is his "dishonoring"
charge that I "embellish my military career" by honoring the
19 members of my Signal Battalion killed in a transport crash
on 1 July 1950, three years before I was assigned to that
Battalion. "My" battalion lost 4 more afterwards. I have a
list of all those names, even their ASNs (Army Serial Numbers)
and honor them especially every Memorial Day when I join other
veterans in Memorial Day ceremonies, even for simple things
like putting flags on their gravesites. That sort of word-
twisting has become common to Robeson's postings in here,
an extreme sensitivity (or volatility) to anything negative
against his words spat out in a flurry of personal insults.

Take his use of the word "Putz" above his message signatures.
He isn't of a Yiddish ethnic group, isn't a Jew, yet he uses
a Yiddish pejorative freely as if he were. [as a pejorative
it means "penis head" in reference to one who can only think
with his penis] That four-letter word is "acceptible" yet if
another poster is quoted using four-letter words they are
octothorped-out (the octothorpe or # symbol replacing the
letters). This fierce warrior, self-promoted "seven hostile
action" implied hero can't even swear like a Marine among
other veterans? Highly unlikely. :-)

Phrases and euphemisms identified with the USMC are easy to
get in literature and from TV and movies (tons of that
material). Using such things is also easy enough to do...in
generalities. Imposters slip up when confronted with DETAILS
or specific-time/era-use phrases that weren't familiar to the
pharse-user's time. Robeson is big on generalities, very
short on specifics.

Robeson wants to be a Big Name. Any which way he can. He is
military-minded, with any photo of him on the 'web IN UNIFORM
of some sort, green scrubs to CAP-patched flight suit. He is
an amateur extra, yet never worked IN military radio comms.
He bragged of having a civilian private pilot's license
before joining the Corps yet never became Air Crew in the Corps.
He uses phrases like "pilot in command" of a general aviation
single-engine aircraft like he was the commander of a 747. :-)

He gets what he probably wanted all the time - ATTENTION. He
manages to cuss out every one of his opponents in any thread,
turning that thread into a running battle of Stebie FIGHTS
The World...heaping abuse on his "opponents" as if his life
depends on it. Maybe it does.

TEM fry

wrote:
From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 21, 6:37 am

On 21 Aug 2005 04:39:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in

snip
Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit.

Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career.

BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Thank you for that passive-agressive response; it did much to confirm
my suspicions.

You are quite right in your suspicions, Frank.

You will note that Robeson, when challenged, will immediately go
into deliberate misdirection with his hyena laughter or the
accusations of some sort of personal perfidy. It's almost SOP
for him.

Nope.

After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some
details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful
not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed
several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None
of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them
remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for
giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you?

Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your
disposal as I do,

Even more than you might expect.

Oviously not.

so I recommend you use them instead, rather than
making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my
mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them!

I call it like I see it.

We all do.

Nope.

Most Lennie posts are obfuscation, deceit and diversion.

snip

BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's
a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms,
active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"?

Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to
keep from looking like a fool, Frank.

But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping.

More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing. He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.

Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.

I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...

Earlier on, Robeson tried to avoid naming anything by stating
"he couldn't give away any secrets."

Lennie, Lennie, Lennie...

WHY do you persist in perpetuating that lie?

Huge snip.

Robeson couldn't even name the very common all-service small-unit
radio of his early time...HUGE SNIP

No Lennie...

YOU ahve gone on about military radios in the Amateur forum...Then
you claim unwillingness to play your game equates to not "knowing" or
being familiar with same.

Sorry for you.

In much earlier newsgroup postings, Robeson stated he had a
medical discharge to explain not completing a full 20 years,
"due to an accident." Then, after several days, he changed
that to "honorable" claiming it was "changed later" by some
unspecified authority. Medical discharges are given for a
variety of reasons, not always due to physical disabilities.
[that's in Google archives]

Robeson has consistently tried to make fun of others' military
assignments...(SNIP)

Oh LENNIE! Coming from YOU, this is H I L A R I O U S ! ! ! ! ! !
!

There's not a SINGLE PERSON here, save for Gilliland, that you
haven't take slaps at!

(UNSNIP)...claiming his (classic) been in "seven hostile
actions." First of all servicemenbers don't have any choice
of what they do, they go and do whatever they are assigned,
wherever commanded. Only one out of about seven military
land forces, Army or Marines, are IN any combat zone or
actual fighting territory during a "hostile action." Second,
Robeson has NEVER DEFINED HIS "hostile action" in any specifics
as to WHEN and WHERE. He has glossed it over in generalities
"explaining" that he "knows it and need not explain it to us."
He usually remarks that HE has the "documentation" for it but
it remains unseen by the rest of us. He postures and preens,
implies greatness but without details.

No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.

In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.

I know it chaps your hide because making up military tales is all
you have to fall back on.

A classic case of Robeson's word-twisting is his "dishonoring"
charge that I "embellish my military career" by honoring the
19 members of my Signal Battalion killed in a transport crash
on 1 July 1950, three years before I was assigned to that
Battalion. "My" battalion lost 4 more afterwards. I have a
list of all those names, even their ASNs (Army Serial Numbers)
and honor them especially every Memorial Day when I join other
veterans in Memorial Day ceremonies, even for simple things
like putting flags on their gravesites. That sort of word-
twisting has become common to Robeson's postings in here,
an extreme sensitivity (or volatility) to anything negative
against his words spat out in a flurry of personal insults.

Lennie, your name belongs on a "wall of shame" somewhere for your
attempts to manipulate your actual duties with the sacrifices of the
guys who were KIA before you were even inducted.

Take his use of the word "Putz" above his message signatures.
He isn't of a Yiddish ethnic group, isn't a Jew, yet he uses
a Yiddish pejorative freely as if he were.

So...Not being Jewish means I can't call a putz a putz?

Snipped Lennie's whining.

Phrases and euphemisms identified with the USMC are easy to
get in literature and from TV and movies (tons of that
material). Using such things is also easy enough to do...in
generalities. Imposters slip up when confronted with DETAILS
or specific-time/era-use phrases that weren't familiar to the
pharse-user's time. Robeson is big on generalities, very
short on specifics.

Robeson wants to be a Big Name.

Nope. Just an individual.

Any which way he can. He is
military-minded, with any photo of him on the 'web IN UNIFORM
of some sort, green scrubs to CAP-patched flight suit.

"Green scrubs"...?!?!

And please, Lennie, go ahead and tell us all about your experience
with CAP, also...

He is an amateur extra, yet never worked IN military radio comms.

Yep, I did.

He bragged of having a civilian private pilot's license
before joining the Corps yet never became Air Crew in the Corps.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm...there's LOT'S of guys in the Corps who hold a
civilian airman's certificate but aren't aircrew. Did I miss
something? I never say anything that said "those with an FAA
certificate will be aircrew, period".

He uses phrases like "pilot in command" of a general aviation
single-engine aircraft like he was the commander of a 747.

Nope.

I use "pilot-in-command" like the FAA uses it in reference to
anyone exercising thier airman's privileges.

Privileges, by the way, that you don't have.

He gets what he probably wanted all the time - ATTENTION.

Excuse me...?!?!

Remind me why you're all-over a forum for an avocation you have
expressed nothing but vile disrespect and contempt for...?!?!

He manages to cuss out every one of his opponents in any thread...(SNIP)

Actually the profanity is yours, Markies, Toiddies, etc.

(UNSNIP)...turning that thread into a running battle of Stebie FIGHTS
The World...heaping abuse on his "opponents" as if his life
depends on it. Maybe it does.

Uh huh...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iight.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.


because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.


Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).


He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.


Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.


It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.


I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...


Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.


snip
No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete. It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you. It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?


In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.









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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
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wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.

I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.

because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.

So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?

He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.

And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.

It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records
clerk at HQMC.

You HAVE alleged to have these resources, yet obviously haven't
used them.

Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.

It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.

Hardly.

I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than
enough. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN.
So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my
two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives
with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having
served.

That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent.

I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...

Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?

Sounds like Lennie's arguments.

No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete.

You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete?

It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you.

Thankfully I never had to do that.

It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

Sounds very Clancyesque.

So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.

In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.

Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

Steve, K4YZ

KY4Z wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "KY4Z" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.

Well your claims that you can cause Medical and Legal authorities to
act


I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.

Not realy another lie on your part


because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.

So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?

He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.

and when you going to apolize?


And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.

It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records
clerk at HQMC.

You HAVE alleged to have these resources, yet obviously haven't
used them.

Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.

It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.

Hardly.

I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than
enough. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN.
So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my
two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives
with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having
served.

That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent.

I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...

Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?

It is curious however with your back ground that you don't


Sounds like Lennie's arguments.

No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete.

You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete?

It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you.

Thankfully I never had to do that.

It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

Sounds very Clancyesque.

So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.

Real marines do

wether that has anything to do with you is another matter


In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

Yep more Stevies lies


As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

Not realy

without the SSN which you wisely choose not to provide you can't verify
much of anything, esp with a name like yours

You may simply pick out those dates of the selection boards of someone
else

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

If you had provided anything with any solid basis it might be different

You advance a Callsign and claim it proves you an expect on MARS


I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

Why should he?


This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.


Such Parania Stevie


Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

Steve, KY4Z

On 21 Aug 2005 20:33:22 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.


I see you haven't yet read my other reply.


I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.


You have provided nothing to me except vague generalizations. No
verifiable details at all.


because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.


Wrong again:

++++++++++
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:21:38 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:

snip
Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit.


Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career.

After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some
details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful
not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed
several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None
of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them
remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for
giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you?

++++++++++++

That's three times you have misrepresented my statements. If you are
going to mount a defensive argument then at least stick to the facts.
Otherwise you are just validating everything others here are saying
about you.


So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?


Quite a few. Back when I was active, the three batallions of the 8th
regiment were rotated into the 22nd and 24th MAUs. I was deployed with
the 24th MAU on The USS Nassau. This ship is an LHA -- basically it's
a small aircraft carrier with a massive well deck. It can accomodate a
lot of different aircraft including the Cobra, Huey, CH-46, CH-53,
OV-10 and Harrier. Being a Marine in the avionics field you should
have already known this. In fact, if you -were- USMC for 18 years it's
more than likey that you would had served aboard an LHA or a similar
amphibious assault ship. Either way you would have known of both their
existence and their capabilities.

Or was that just a rhetorical question?


He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.


Why? I was just responding the same way you respond to other people in
this group. You're the spelling cop, aren't you?


And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.

It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records
clerk at HQMC.

You HAVE alleged to have these resources,


Yet another misrepresentation.


yet obviously haven't
used them.


The DOD records are available at www.military.com. There was indeed a
Steve Robeson, USMC, E-7, and in avionics. But you have yet to prove
that you are him.


Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.

It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.

Hardly.

I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than
enough.


......uh, where? You have a jillion or so posts on Google. I'm not
going to spend a month reading through all your flame wars just to
find out a couple tidbits that you can simply retype.


I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN.


Did I ask for it?


So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my
two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives
with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having
served.

That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent.


You're still missing the big picture, Steve. See my other post.


I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...

Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?


For the same reason that declaring your career in the USMC was
neessary [sic]..... it's not. But you made the claim so back it up.


Sounds like Lennie's arguments.


If that was intended to somehow discredit the validity of the
argument, well, it didn't. Facts are facts regardless of the source.


No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete.

You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete?


Depends on the concrete. Hit a weak spot and it makes a big ****ing
hole that you can walk through. Hit some of that steel-reinforced
high-grade stuff and it just skins the surface down to the rebar. You
could see both on the South wall.


It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you.

Thankfully I never had to do that.


That much I figured out already.


It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

Sounds very Clancyesque.


No, it's very horrific. And I'm not suprised that you equate war with
popular fiction -- most civilians do.


So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.


Ah yes, the scullery! Lot's of action there, but nobody shooting at
you. Maybe working the butts at the rifle range.... now -there's-
something that fits your definition of "hostile action". So you
qualified seven times in 18 years..... that's about right.


In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.


I have never said, or even suggested, that Ollie has anything to do
with my resources. You are trying to connect the dots into a picture
that doesn't exist.


As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.


More excuses.


I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.


Let's check to see what the FACTS are, shall we?

++++++++++
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:20:30 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2005 01:08:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 15:15:28 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine.....


Really? What units and when?

"Braggard"

"alleged"

Nothing "braggard about being a Marine, Markie.

Frank, E-mail me directly if you care to. I'd be gald to tell you
directly.


Either you were a Marine or you weren't. Why the secrecy? Did you
serve under Colonel Vinson at Ft. Gordon or something?

+++++++++

Looks to me like I did NOT snip that part of your post; in fact, I
even REPLIED to it. You, however, did -not- reply. Regardless, I will
snip no more messages if that makes you happy. And there's nothing
that prevented you from e-mailing me first.


This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.


......uh-oh, here come the paranoia police!


Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references",


Who said my references were "impeccable"? Not me. I wasn't exactly the
'model Marine'. Heck, I was suprised when they promoted me back to PFC
(for the third time) just a month before I was discharged. Enough with
your misrepresentations, Steve.


yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.


Sure I do. Wanna hear what I have to say about the service in general
or about the few cronies that screw it up?


Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.


And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this
discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe
that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it
looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating,
changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave.







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On 21 Aug 2005 13:19:18 -0700, wrote in
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snip
Robeson couldn't even name the very common all-service small-unit
radio of his early time, the AN/PRC-25 or PRC-77.


I wouldn't call it "small" -- those puppies get mighty heavy on a
forced march. A "small" radio would be the PRC-68. But the RT-841 (the
RT used for the PRC-77) was the bread and butter of ground radio comm.


snip
In much earlier newsgroup postings, Robeson stated he had a
medical discharge to explain not completing a full 20 years,
"due to an accident." Then, after several days, he changed
that to "honorable" claiming it was "changed later" by some
unspecified authority. Medical discharges are given for a
variety of reasons, not always due to physical disabilities.
[that's in Google archives]


A medical discharge is an administrative, or "general", discharge
"under honorable conditions". They are not changed to "honorable"
unless there were mitigating circumstances that led to the original
discharge being incorrect. But there is no way he would have been
granted retirement benefits without serving the full 20 years. (And
BTW, the rank of Gy.Sgt. is pretty low for retired enlisted.)


Robeson has consistently tried to make fun of others' military
assignments, claiming his (classic) been in "seven hostile
actions."


I can't find that post.


First of all servicemenbers don't have any choice
of what they do, they go and do whatever they are assigned,
wherever commanded.


Upon completion of MOS training, some are allowed to request a
particular duty station at first. Sometimes that request is granted.
After that it's a crap shoot.


snip
This fierce warrior, self-promoted "seven hostile
action" implied hero can't even swear like a Marine among
other veterans? Highly unlikely. :-)


In all fairness, I knew quite a few Marines that didn't swear.


Phrases and euphemisms identified with the USMC are easy to
get in literature and from TV and movies (tons of that
material).


Very easy. What's missing from his stories are unique experiences.


Using such things is also easy enough to do...in
generalities. Imposters slip up when confronted with DETAILS
or specific-time/era-use phrases that weren't familiar to the
pharse-user's time. Robeson is big on generalities, very
short on specifics.

Robeson wants to be a Big Name. Any which way he can. He is
military-minded, with any photo of him on the 'web IN UNIFORM
of some sort, green scrubs to CAP-patched flight suit. He is
an amateur extra, yet never worked IN military radio comms.
He bragged of having a civilian private pilot's license
before joining the Corps yet never became Air Crew in the Corps.


I got to fly a Huey for about 5 seconds, then the pilot pulled us out
of the spin. I've heard it said that flying a helicopter is like
roller-skating on a greased bowling ball. I agree.










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