On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:23:26 -0700, N2EY wrote:

Because I can. And because I won't ask others to pass a test
that I can't pass myself.


That is awfully big of you, however, keep it mind that amateur radio (the
rf bands) should be open to ALL AMERICANS...

I happen to have been favored by my creator. If I understand where I
stand on IQ charts, roughly 5% of people are my equal or betters... If I
took a test which fully tested my abilities, then required the same of
others--I could end up rather lonely...

I think the test should be one which at least 95% of ALL amercians can
pass--more or less like a drivers license...

John

John Smith wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:23:26 -0700, N2EY wrote:

Because I can. And because I won't ask others to pass a test
that I can't pass myself.

That is awfully big of you, however, keep it mind that amateur radio (the rf bands) should be open to ALL AMERICANS...

They are open to all who can pass the required tests. In fact
a nonresident noncitizen can get an FCC amateur radio license.

I happen to have been favored by my creator. If I understand
where I
stand on IQ charts, roughly 5% of people are my equal or
betters...

All an IQ test shows is how well you take IQ tests. There
are many different kinds of intelligence, and trying to
describe them with a single number is ludicrous.

If I
took a test which fully tested my abilities, then required the same of
others--I could end up rather lonely...

The amateur radio tests I've taken, and others I've seen, are
nowhere near a full test of my abilities. I don't know about
yours...

I think the test should be one which at least 95% of ALL
amercians can pass--more or less like a drivers license...

Why?

And when you say "95% of all [Americans]" - does that include
those under the age of, say, 5 years? How about those with
severe developmental delays and deficits? Does it include those
Americans with dementia or Alzheimer's disease? How about those
who are illiterate or barely literate, those for whom English is
a foreign language, and those with all sorts of other problems
and limitations?

Or do you mean 95% of all healthy, educated, "average" Americans over
the age of, say, 10 years?

More important, how much are you willing to water down the written
tests to reach that goal?

From: on Sep 3, 1:55 pm

John Smith wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:23:26 -0700, N2EY wrote:

Because I can. And because I won't ask others to pass a test
that I can't pass myself.
That is awfully big of you, however, keep it mind that amateur radio (the rf bands) should be open to ALL AMERICANS...

They are open to all who can pass the required tests. In fact
a nonresident noncitizen can get an FCC amateur radio license.

Don't forget cute little 6-year-olds who passed their WRITTENS.

I happen to have been favored by my creator. If I understand
where I
stand on IQ charts, roughly 5% of people are my equal or
betters...

All an IQ test shows is how well you take IQ tests. There
are many different kinds of intelligence, and trying to
describe them with a single number is ludicrous.

OK, so now we all know that Jimmie didn't score high on a
Stanford-Binet IQ test! :-)

If I
took a test which fully tested my abilities, then required the same of
others--I could end up rather lonely...

The amateur radio tests I've taken, and others I've seen, are
nowhere near a full test of my abilities. I don't know about
yours...

Tsk, tsk, tsk. The Federal Communications Commission is NOT
chartered as an "academic institution" for testing anyone to
their "full test of abilities." Never was, not in 71 years.

A license test is for the Commission's purpose...to determine
if, TO THE COMMISSION, an applicant is considered worthy of a
license grant.


I think the test should be one which at least 95% of ALL
amercians can pass--more or less like a drivers license...

Why?

And when you say "95% of all [Americans]" - does that include
those under the age of, say, 5 years? How about those with
severe developmental delays and deficits? Does it include those
Americans with dementia or Alzheimer's disease? How about those
who are illiterate or barely literate, those for whom English is
a foreign language, and those with all sorts of other problems
and limitations?

Or do you mean 95% of all healthy, educated, "average" Americans over
the age of, say, 10 years?

The present written tests are simple enough for two SIX YEAR OLDS
to pass their license tests under the watchful eye of kindly,
grandfatherly-looking VEs. Imagine, two SIX YEAR OLDS with perfect
understanding of all regulations and the MATURITY to act
responsibly on their own!

More important, how much are you willing to water down the written
tests to reach that goal?

Why have YOU already accepted and passed "watered-down" written
tests sufficient that some kindly VEs could pass two SIX YEAR
OLDS so that they could - legally - operate radios all by them-
selves?

But, on that matter, you challenge any challenger on their
"expertise" of knowing SIX YEAR OLDS' capability. However,
YOU have NEVER stated YOUR "qualifications" in regard to grading
SIX YEAR OLDS on their "maturity" to be responsible, federally-
licensed radio amateurs. You could do us all a great service by
revealing your "expertise" in rating childrens' "maturity."

wrote:
From: on Sep 3, 1:55 pm


John Smith wrote:

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:23:26 -0700, N2EY wrote:


Because I can. And because I won't ask others to pass a test
that I can't pass myself.
That is awfully big of you, however, keep it mind that amateur radio (the rf bands) should be open to ALL AMERICANS...

They are open to all who can pass the required tests. In fact
a nonresident noncitizen can get an FCC amateur radio license.


Don't forget cute little 6-year-olds who passed their WRITTENS.

It is a cinch that *you* haven't forgotten them. :-)


All an IQ test shows is how well you take IQ tests. There
are many different kinds of intelligence, and trying to
describe them with a single number is ludicrous.


OK, so now we all know that Jimmie didn't score high on a
Stanford-Binet IQ test! :-)

You're big on jumping to false conclusions. You might be setting
yourself up to make another factual error. :-) :-)


And when you say "95% of all [Americans]" - does that include
those under the age of, say, 5 years? How about those with
severe developmental delays and deficits? Does it include those
Americans with dementia or Alzheimer's disease? How about those
who are illiterate or barely literate, those for whom English is
a foreign language, and those with all sorts of other problems
and limitations?

Or do you mean 95% of all healthy, educated, "average" Americans over
the age of, say, 10 years?


The present written tests are simple enough for two SIX YEAR OLDS
to pass their license tests under the watchful eye of kindly,
grandfatherly-looking VEs. Imagine, two SIX YEAR OLDS with perfect
understanding of all regulations and the MATURITY to act
responsibly on their own!

Yeah, imagine that. If they could do it, it would seem that a guy like
you could do it--but you haven't.

Dave K8MN

wrote

Imagine, two SIX YEAR OLDS with perfect
understanding of all regulations

Well, maybe not "perfect understanding" --- a score of
74.285714285714285714285714285714% on the Technician and General written exams,
or a score of 74.000000000000000000000% on the Extra written is considered by
the FCC as adequate understanding.

Beep beep!
de Hans, K0HB

wrote:
John Smith wrote:
cut

I think the test should be one which at least 95% of ALL
amercians can pass--more or less like a drivers license...

Why?

Because it the right full property of all american (in the USA outside
your milage may vary)
cut

More important, how much are you willing to water down the written
tests to reach that goal?

As usaul you turn the question upside down. the written should gaged to
that needed in order toallow those americans there rightfull access,
while preserving the abilty to operate safely

wether that results in rasing or lowering the level of the tests I
doesn't matter to me, nor I suspect to John

John Smith wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:23:26 -0700, N2EY wrote:

Because I can. And because I won't ask others to pass a test
that I can't pass myself.


That is awfully big of you, however, keep it mind that amateur radio (the
rf bands) should be open to ALL AMERICANS...

Every American (and foreigners living in America) have the very same
opportunity for obtaining an amateur radio license.

I happen to have been favored by my creator. If I understand where I
stand on IQ charts, roughly 5% of people are my equal or betters...

You're not supposed to stand on them. It is quite possible that folks
with a lower IQ could still be your equal or betters.

If I
took a test which fully tested my abilities, then required the same of
others--I could end up rather lonely...

I'm guessing that you're already rather lonely.

I think the test should be one which at least 95% of ALL amercians can
pass--more or less like a drivers license...

Just use your CB radio or find a newsgroup to haunt. That'll end your
loneliness.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:23:26 -0700, N2EY wrote:

Because I can. And because I won't ask others to pass a test
that I can't pass myself.


That is awfully big of you, however, keep it mind that amateur radio (the
rf bands) should be open to ALL AMERICANS...

Every American (and foreigners living in America) have the very same
opportunity for obtaining an amateur radio license.

I happen to have been favored by my creator. If I understand where I
stand on IQ charts, roughly 5% of people are my equal or betters...

You're not supposed to stand on them. It is quite possible that folks
with a lower IQ could still be your equal or betters.

If I
took a test which fully tested my abilities, then required the same of
others--I could end up rather lonely...

I'm guessing that you're already rather lonely.

I think the test should be one which at least 95% of ALL amercians can
pass--more or less like a drivers license...

lets see, to get a drivers license you have to be at least 16, that cuts out
a lot of americans who make good hams. you have to be able to see, that
cuts out some more hams. you have to be able to exert some kind of
mechanical control over the vehicle, that cuts out some more. you can't
have an active seziure disorder, that cuts out more... boy, sure does seem
harder to get a drivers license than a ham ticket... considering the
youngest extra operator recently was a 9 year old girl, i know a couple
blind hams, and some who couldn't get a drivers license for other medical
reasons. and then there are the idiots who lose their license because they
are just too plain dumb to follow the rules, oh wait, we do have a couple of
hams who fit that description also.




Just use your CB radio or find a newsgroup to haunt. That'll end your
loneliness.

Dave K8MN

i think he just found a group to haunt, and someone to keep him from being
lonely!