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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:25:17 -0500, "Dr.Ace"
wrote:

Mark - Don't poke the bear.
Ace - WH2T

all the one liners Ace


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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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an_old_friend wrote:

a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF
spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower
network so at text will get through no matter what

Unrelated.

Ignorant, and ridiculous. Typical Markie.

typical Danny boy no content just dismiss anything outside his horizion

the cell phone kept carry text message though out Katrina and the after
math recharging cell phone batteries became a challange but the are
ways of course

but then Danny has never wanted to take part in any discussion where he
does set the ground rules one of which is that everyone must agree in
adavnce to agree with him

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:04:26 -0500, "Dr.Ace"
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I got your "food chain" hanging.
homo boi
Ace - WH2T

Is Ace Stevie (k4yz ) as oposed to Steveo

they sure use the same play book


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"Dr.Ace" wrote:
BITE ME

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"Dr.Ace" wrote:
CB'ers = SNAFU
For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term.
Situation Normal All F***ed Up

Ace - WH2T

They're right above top-posters on the food chain, ace.

Blazing retort, spanky.


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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:32:09 -0500, "Dr.Ace"
wrote:

If you need critical information, just ask Mark.
Hell, He knows it all !
Ace - WH2T

why thank you Sir

( i was told that good manners alwasy required thanking someone for a
compleienment)


"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
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Mike Coslo wrote:



I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last
person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that
when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.


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"Dr.Ace" wrote:
I got your "food chain" hanging.
homo boi
Ace - WH2T

"Steveo" wrote in message
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"Dr.Ace" wrote:
BITE ME

Ace - WH2T

"Steveo" wrote in message
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"Dr.Ace" wrote:
CB'ers = SNAFU
For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term.
Situation Normal All F***ed Up

Ace - WH2T

They're right above top-posters on the food chain, ace.

Blazing retort, spanky.

When you can't lick em, homo-boi em, ace****.

What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
 

What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
 

From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 23 Oct 2005 10:19


wrote in message
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the
last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need
that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.

So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct?

Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice?

No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means
of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks
down.

Perhaps that is why the first two trans-continental attempts at
early messaging across the USA broke down? They were "sponsored"
by the ARRL. History. The ARRL doesn't like to talk of those
early days much, though, so you have to go to Thomas White's
Early US Radio History site to find out. :-)

The formal message handling systems have these.

Tell us all about it, Dee. I worked in that a mere 52 years ago.
Professionally. On HF. We can compare notes...

Tell us how the GMDSS works and all the "formality" and "word
counts" apply to SOLAS.

The FRS system does not.

The Family Radio Service was NEVER envisioned as some kind of
"message system." :-) The average pair of FRS transceivers
(handheld) sold across the counter will reach out 1 to 5 miles
(depending on terrain, etc.), ideal to keep track of family
members at a large outing. Or a small one. :-)

Did you think FRS handhelds have little "text" screens or
sockets for keyboards, printers, etc.? :-)

What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
 

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:19:47 -0400, "Dee Flint"
wrote:


wrote in message
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Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his
block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the
last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need
that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.

So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct?

Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice?


No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means
of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks
down. The formal message handling systems have these. The FRS system does
not.

but if no one can find the enterence points the system can work either

Dan was quite spefic in saying Messages did not enter the NTS in any
real numbers

an adhoc system based on drawing togther FRS or CB's etc the message
will degrade within them for the reasons you mention the question is
will they get far enough to do some good

or better still How Hams intergarte this capity and use it to allow
the folks to reach them and then they can reach the either the NTS or
local authorities

that is why I think all hams realy ought to have a decent CB setup a
radio and decent anttenas for FRS and idealy MURS radios (and amp to
use in such an emergency as well as their ham station

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


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Of course you won't believe me, or anyone else. But the cell phone network
was down for the majority of New Orleans. I know people that went there to
repair it.

In fact some hams also helped repair the tower sites. Mostly getting
antennas back in working shape, and getting batteries and/or generators up
and running.

As for why text gets through easier and better than voice. It's just like
CW Markie, and if you understand that mode it would be easier for you to
comprehend text vs voice on a cell system. But I'll try....It is a matter
of bandwidth. Text uses and requires much less than voice does. Thus it
has a much better chance of getting through. Even with marginal conditions
and basically a cell phone user watching his "s meter" and finding a site to
receive it.

Sounds to me the ones that got through knew a little about signal
propagation to me. Gee....do you think they were hams or had a ham nearby?
Just a thought.

Dan/W4NTI

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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:22:14 -0700, Cmdr Buzz Corey
wrote:

wrote:

Cell phone does indeed show signs of being usable as a true emergency
network

How? The entire cell network was down in NO. The only way to get cell
coverage there was out on some remote point a few people managed to get
to and make a few calls.

not accrdoing to MSNBC while the netwaork was not working for voice it
was working for text according to MSNBC

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"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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an_old_friend wrote:

a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF
spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower
network so at text will get through no matter what

Unrelated.

Ignorant, and ridiculous. Typical Markie.

typical Danny boy no content just dismiss anything outside his horizion

the cell phone kept carry text message though out Katrina and the after
math recharging cell phone batteries became a challange but the are
ways of course

but then Danny has never wanted to take part in any discussion where he
does set the ground rules one of which is that everyone must agree in
adavnce to agree with him

Dan/W4NTI


Oh gee Markie.....what is the reason text made it through? You can read the
post I just made to get the answer.

Dan/W4NTI

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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his
block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so
on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the
last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need
that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.

So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct?

Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice?


No it simply means that without a structured format, message training,
means of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system
breaks down. The formal message handling systems have these. The FRS
system does not.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Exactly correct Dee. Here is something I made up years ago.

"It takes two things to communicate, an operator at both ends"

A slight addition would be "trained operator"

Dan/W4NTI