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nobodys_old_friend wrote: Dr.Ace wrote: "nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Snipped wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this case an Bitter Old Timer Harry C. See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING. realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that disagrees with you knows nothing BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little about)! meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of opinion, and point of view Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark. You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone agrees to agree with you, in advance I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing. then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature and importance of the beliefs he holds "disriction"...?!?! You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words. in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP) Here, for example... "hams to the resure"? "religionous"? discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region. Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large, as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff affecting the real size and scope of the disaster. One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation. So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion. The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region, from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious. FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call Later" traffic. Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd (same mindset). Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in radio.amateur groups doen't mean much. I just choose not to sign it, unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT. He's spent countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated with his failure to get a coded license. BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio? You've now created at least three screen names that I count as "active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric. Doesn't sound like much of a life to me.. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: nobodys_old_friend wrote: Dr.Ace wrote: "nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Snipped wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this case an Bitter Old Timer Harry C. See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING. realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that disagrees with you knows nothing BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little about)! meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of opinion, and point of view Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark. certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone agrees to agree with you, in advance I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing. then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature and importance of the beliefs he holds cuting the english cop crap in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP) cuting the english cop crap discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region. Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large, as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff affecting the real size and scope of the disaster. One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation. you are just plain wrong on that guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue in the nation So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion. not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's (and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase your own egos are involved I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented on its importance in the over all scheme of thing The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region, from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious. I know what is going on there you are not in that region either strictly speaking you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the players don't FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call Later" traffic. never said anything of the sort Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd (same mindset). Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in radio.amateur groups doen't mean much. I just choose not to sign it, unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT. my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything He's spent countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated with his failure to get a coded license. but you saved by lying again BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio? my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils You've now created at least three screen names that I count as "active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric. so? you count and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them but not for me when I choose to do the same Doesn't sound like much of a life to me.. Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you disaprove Steve, K4YZ |
nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: nobodys_old_friend wrote: Dr.Ace wrote: "nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of opinion, and point of view Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark. certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms I am certain that that meant something to you... You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone agrees to agree with you, in advance I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing. then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature and importance of the beliefs he holds cuting the english cop crap Reinserting Mark's censorship in order to maintain context: then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature and importance of the beliefs he holds QUOTE: "disriction"...?!?! You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words. UNQUOTE in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP) cuting the english cop crap Reinserting Mark's censorship to maintain context: QUOTE: in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP) Here, for example... "hams to the resure"? "religionous"? UNQUOTE You continue to "dismiss" as "speling cop crap" efforts to get you to use the same words in the same context as others so that we may all understand each other. Your "cut" and "speling cop crap" are nothing but censorship. And you DO remember who was famous for censorship, don't you, Mark? discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region. Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large, as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff affecting the real size and scope of the disaster. One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation. you are just plain wrong on that No, I am not. As any lingusitics professor, Mark... guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue in the nation Sure I do. And I know that each of the parties concerned use the same words and in the same context. BTW, Mark...that was a really WEAK effort at diversion... So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion. not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's (and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase your own egos are involved It's got nothing to do with ego. It has to do with disparate parties discussing a common subject from a common understanding. "Communication" does NOT occur unless both parties have SOME common frame of reference from which to understand each otehr. I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented on its importance in the over all scheme of thing That said what? The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region, from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious. I know what is going on there Obviously not. you are not in that region either strictly speaking Sure I am. you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the players don't Ahhhhhh....so from your perch in UP Michigan you know more about what's going on than those of us who have actually been involved in it..?!?! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call Later" traffic. never said anything of the sort You aren't capable. Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd (same mindset). Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in radio.amateur groups doen't mean much. I just choose not to sign it, unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT. my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock Don't tease me. but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything "everything"... No...You claimed that you didn't sign your Amateur Radio callsign to Amateur Radio related posts because "...unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing (sic) a person to a callsign." (A) Your callsign has EVERYthing to do with "Ham" radio, and (B) attaching your Amateur Radio callsign no more "reduces" you in an Amateur Radio forum than using your ISP screen name "reduces" you on the Internet. He's spent countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated with his failure to get a coded license. but you saved by lying again Nope. BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio? my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils You have no life outside Amateur Radio, Mark. As a matter of fact, you have little life that moves you beyond the four walls of your house. You've now created at least three screen names that I count as "active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric. so? you count I don't have to. It's obvious. You've alleged that I am "obsessive-compulsive" about responding to RRAP posts, yet YOU are the one who has created the means by which you can defeat the posting limits so YOU can "pounce" on everyone else's posts. and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them but not for me when I choose to do the same Doesn't sound like much of a life to me.. Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you disaprove You're a deceitful, lying , pathologically mistruthful sexual devaiant, Mark. There's so much about you to disapprove of. Steve, K4YZ |
"K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: nobodys_old_friend wrote: Dr.Ace wrote: "nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of opinion, and point of view Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark. certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms I am certain that that meant something to you... You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone agrees to agree with you, in advance I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing. then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature and importance of the beliefs he holds cuting the english cop crap Reinserting Mark's censorship in order to maintain context: then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature and importance of the beliefs he holds QUOTE: "disriction"...?!?! You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words. UNQUOTE in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP) cuting the english cop crap Reinserting Mark's censorship to maintain context: QUOTE: in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP) Here, for example... "hams to the resure"? "religionous"? UNQUOTE You continue to "dismiss" as "speling cop crap" efforts to get you to use the same words in the same context as others so that we may all understand each other. Your "cut" and "speling cop crap" are nothing but censorship. And you DO remember who was famous for censorship, don't you, Mark? discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region. Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large, as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff affecting the real size and scope of the disaster. One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation. you are just plain wrong on that No, I am not. As any lingusitics professor, Mark... guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue in the nation Sure I do. And I know that each of the parties concerned use the same words and in the same context. BTW, Mark...that was a really WEAK effort at diversion... So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion. not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's (and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase your own egos are involved It's got nothing to do with ego. It has to do with disparate parties discussing a common subject from a common understanding. "Communication" does NOT occur unless both parties have SOME common frame of reference from which to understand each otehr. I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented on its importance in the over all scheme of thing That said what? The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region, from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious. I know what is going on there Obviously not. you are not in that region either strictly speaking Sure I am. you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the players don't Ahhhhhh....so from your perch in UP Michigan you know more about what's going on than those of us who have actually been involved in it..?!?! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call Later" traffic. never said anything of the sort You aren't capable. Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd (same mindset). Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in radio.amateur groups doen't mean much. I just choose not to sign it, unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT. my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock Don't tease me. but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything "everything"... No...You claimed that you didn't sign your Amateur Radio callsign to Amateur Radio related posts because "...unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing (sic) a person to a callsign." (A) Your callsign has EVERYthing to do with "Ham" radio, and (B) attaching your Amateur Radio callsign no more "reduces" you in an Amateur Radio forum than using your ISP screen name "reduces" you on the Internet. He's spent countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated with his failure to get a coded license. but you saved by lying again Nope. BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio? my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils You have no life outside Amateur Radio, Mark. As a matter of fact, you have little life that moves you beyond the four walls of your house. You've now created at least three screen names that I count as "active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric. so? you count I don't have to. It's obvious. You've alleged that I am "obsessive-compulsive" about responding to RRAP posts, yet YOU are the one who has created the means by which you can defeat the posting limits so YOU can "pounce" on everyone else's posts. and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them but not for me when I choose to do the same Doesn't sound like much of a life to me.. Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you disaprove You're a deceitful, lying , pathologically mistruthful sexual devaiant, Mark. There's so much about you to disapprove of. Steve, K4YZ Anyone that needs to use several screen names is obviously very insecure. You may indeed have a point here Steve. He is a momma's boy, still living at home at a point in his life that he should be saving for his retirement for a career, which he obviously does not have. He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being. He is ashamed of his life, and over compensates by literally begging for attention here on USENET. That is like jumping into a pond full of Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels inferior in life as well as in ham radio. As stated.....A pathetic excuse.....etc. Dan/W4NTI |
KY4Z wrote: nobodys old friend wrote: KY4Z wrote: nobodys_old_friend wrote: Dr.Ace wrote: "nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of opinion, and point of view Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark. certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms I am certain that that meant something to you... indeed I am sure it meant something to a lot of people, perhaps the catagory is what excludes you You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone agrees to agree with you, in advance I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing. then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature and importance of the beliefs he holds cuting the english cop crap cuting the waste of text again You continue to "dismiss" as "speling cop crap" efforts to get you to use the same words in the same context as others so that we may all understand each other. another lie on your part. You aretying to define the debate by your own spin, I refuse to allow that Your "cut" and "speling cop crap" are nothing but censorship. Not at all You can and certainly will choose to keep typing your crap, I am making no effort to stop it. I just choose not to have it count on my tab of Bandwidth what is censorhsip when you alter my posts and respond to the sentence as if it was the way I wrote it after all to paraphrase you they can alway go back and see what I choose to cut out And you DO remember who was famous for censorship, don't you, Mark? Yes you are famous for cenorship Stevie at least around here discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region. Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large, as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff affecting the real size and scope of the disaster. One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation. you are just plain wrong on that No, I am not. yes you are As any lingusitics professor, Mark... it isn't a matter of linguistics guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue in the nation Sure I do. the you were lying when you said "One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation." And I know that each of the parties concerned use the same words and in the same context. like I said you are a fool or a liar BTW, Mark...that was a really WEAK effort at diversion... not a diveration but at strike at te heart of your argument. It was exactly on point So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion. not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's (and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase your own egos are involved It's got nothing to do with ego. sure does It has to do with disparate parties discussing a common subject from a common understanding. nope it is about the effort of some to limit debate to those that agree with them in advance very much a page from Yesir Imarat's (mispeeling for effect) playbook "Communication" does NOT occur unless both parties have SOME common frame of reference from which to understand each otehr. it also does not occour whn one or more parties decide they are not interested in any view but their own, as is the case here all so often I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented on its importance in the over all scheme of thing That said what? what it said The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region, from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious. I know what is going on there Obviously not. only in your world that is so disconected from reality you are not in that region either strictly speaking Sure I am. nope you are not, unless you are lying on your address to the FCC you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the players don't Ahhhhhh....so from your perch in UP Michigan you know more about what's going on than those of us who have actually been involved in it..?!?! certainly I do know much you can't know because you were in the mudst of it. a plain and simple fact cut the crying FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call Later" traffic. never said anything of the sort You aren't capable. I certainly am more Stevie lies Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd (same mindset). Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in radio.amateur groups doen't mean much. I just choose not to sign it, unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT. my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock Don't tease me. but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything "everything"... No...You claimed that you didn't sign your Amateur Radio callsign to Amateur Radio related posts because "...unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing (sic) a person to a callsign." that is why I make the choice I do the one statement is just an elaboration of the other, both are true cuting the raving He's spent countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated with his failure to get a coded license. but you saved by lying again Nope. yes you are lying when you make the statement "He's spent countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated with his failure to get a coded license." plain and simple I have discused the the legalities of the ADA and Code testing but made no threat to sue anyone at all, and since you add anyone assocated with I mentioned I never threatened to sue you on that basis either BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio? my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils You have no life outside Amateur Radio, Mark. I certainly As a matter of fact, you have little life that moves you beyond the four walls of your house. closer than you normaly get, since I do work from my home. I don't have a lot that moves to travel beyond my home, but that is how I like it. If you said I had nothing that got me much off MY land you'd be even closer. I enjoy the freedom to work when I choose and only as much as I choose. I can hunt and fish, build stuff, Most of the world beyond comes to ME when I need it. I am living the life I dreamed of as a kid You've now created at least three screen names that I count as "active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric. so? you count I don't have to. It's obvious. You've alleged that I am "obsessive-compulsive" about responding to RRAP posts, yet YOU are the one who has created the means by which you can defeat the posting limits so YOU can "pounce" on everyone else's posts. not on everyone and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them but not for me when I choose to do the same Doesn't sound like much of a life to me.. Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you disaprove cuting the sexual refence again There's so much about you to disapprove of. thank you very much Stevie Steve, KY4Z |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... nobodys old friend wrote: cut There's so much about you to disapprove of. Steve, K4YZ Anyone that needs to use several screen names is obviously very insecure. You may indeed have a point here Steve. He is a momma's boy, still living at home at a point in his life that he should be saving for his retirement for a career, which he obviously does not have. "saving for his retirement for a career" auf Anglish bitte? I use one screen name an Old friend I use several emails accounts far more than 3 BTW I am retired or at least semi reitred He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being. you have no reffernece for either of those statements Dan He is ashamed of his life, Where do you get this ****? and over compensates by literally begging for attention here on USENET. That is like jumping into a pond full of Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels inferior in life as well as in ham radio. Inferior? I certainly don't feel inferoir to you or anyone else in here, Indeed this place is good for boasting ones ego, esp if I am having a bad day, I can look at the crap folks like you spew out As stated.....A pathetic excuse.....etc. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: nobodys_old_friend wrote: Dr.Ace wrote: "nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of opinion, and point of view Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark. certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms I am certain that that meant something to you... You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone agrees to agree with you, in advance I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing. then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature and importance of the beliefs he holds cuting the english cop crap Reinserting Mark's censorship in order to maintain context: then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature and importance of the beliefs he holds QUOTE: "disriction"...?!?! You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words. UNQUOTE in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP) cuting the english cop crap Reinserting Mark's censorship to maintain context: QUOTE: in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP) Here, for example... "hams to the resure"? "religionous"? UNQUOTE You continue to "dismiss" as "speling cop crap" efforts to get you to use the same words in the same context as others so that we may all understand each other. Your "cut" and "speling cop crap" are nothing but censorship. And you DO remember who was famous for censorship, don't you, Mark? discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region. Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large, as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff affecting the real size and scope of the disaster. One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation. you are just plain wrong on that No, I am not. As any lingusitics professor, Mark... guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue in the nation Sure I do. And I know that each of the parties concerned use the same words and in the same context. BTW, Mark...that was a really WEAK effort at diversion... So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion. not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's (and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase your own egos are involved It's got nothing to do with ego. It has to do with disparate parties discussing a common subject from a common understanding. "Communication" does NOT occur unless both parties have SOME common frame of reference from which to understand each otehr. I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented on its importance in the over all scheme of thing That said what? The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region, from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious. I know what is going on there Obviously not. you are not in that region either strictly speaking Sure I am. you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the players don't Ahhhhhh....so from your perch in UP Michigan you know more about what's going on than those of us who have actually been involved in it..?!?! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call Later" traffic. never said anything of the sort You aren't capable. Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd (same mindset). Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in radio.amateur groups doen't mean much. I just choose not to sign it, unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT. my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock Don't tease me. but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything "everything"... No...You claimed that you didn't sign your Amateur Radio callsign to Amateur Radio related posts because "...unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the common custom of reduceing (sic) a person to a callsign." (A) Your callsign has EVERYthing to do with "Ham" radio, and (B) attaching your Amateur Radio callsign no more "reduces" you in an Amateur Radio forum than using your ISP screen name "reduces" you on the Internet. He's spent countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated with his failure to get a coded license. but you saved by lying again Nope. BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio? my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils You have no life outside Amateur Radio, Mark. As a matter of fact, you have little life that moves you beyond the four walls of your house. You've now created at least three screen names that I count as "active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric. so? you count I don't have to. It's obvious. You've alleged that I am "obsessive-compulsive" about responding to RRAP posts, yet YOU are the one who has created the means by which you can defeat the posting limits so YOU can "pounce" on everyone else's posts. and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them but not for me when I choose to do the same Doesn't sound like much of a life to me.. Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you disaprove You're a deceitful, lying , pathologically mistruthful sexual devaiant, Mark. There's so much about you to disapprove of. Steve, K4YZ Anyone that needs to use several screen names is obviously very insecure. You may indeed have a point here Steve. He is a momma's boy, still living at home at a point in his life that he should be saving for his retirement for a career, which he obviously does not have. Oh, I don't think it's a matter of being "insecure", Dave...It's just that Mark is all about being all the things he accuses others of... As I specified, Mark has accused me of being "obsessive-compulsive" and "ready to pounce on my every word" in RRAP replies... However HE is the one who needs multiple screen names to defeat Google's posting limits in order to get his multiple-multiple responses in in one day. He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being. No doubt. I never see "KB9RQZ" in any of the activity reports in any of the magazines. He alleges to have been a second operator at a couple of Field Day activities, and I have no doubt that that pretty much summates his "operating experience". He is ashamed of his life, and over compensates by literally begging for attention here on USENET. He should be ashamed. He'a a pitiful liar. I say pitiful since he can't even lie effectively, then admits to being a liar on top of it. His "I am a Colonel" story was classic, but then his insistence that he's not a mental health patient followed-up by his admissions of having been in the system are a hoot. He's blatantly stated he'd teach his children to lie. That in and of itself qualifies him for a castration before he can procreate any further. I say "further" because he has, in the past, made allusion to an ex-wife who was "stalking" him for child support...No doubt another of his failures. I am divorced but no one ever had to "stalk" me to make good on my obligations to my daughter and son. That is like jumping into a pond full of Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels inferior in life as well as in ham radio. As stated.....A pathetic excuse.....etc. Hear hear. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
nobodys old friend wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... nobodys old friend wrote: cut "cut" = KB9RQZ censorship There's so much about you to disapprove of. Steve, K4YZ Anyone that needs to use several screen names is obviously very insecure. You may indeed have a point here Steve. He is a momma's boy, still living at home at a point in his life that he should be saving for his retirement for a career, which he obviously does not have. "saving for his retirement for a career" auf Anglish bitte? I understood it perfectly. He said you shouldn't be such a parasite. I use one screen name an Old friend I use several emails accounts far more than 3 BTW I am retired or at least semi reitred Nope. You're "retarded" He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being. you have no reffernece for either of those statements Dan I do. A couple e-mails exchanged with the radio club in Illinois. No wonder you moved. He is ashamed of his life, Where do you get this ####? From you. and over compensates by literally begging for attention here on USENET. That is like jumping into a pond full of Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels inferior in life as well as in ham radio. Inferior? I certainly don't feel inferoir to you or anyone else in here, Indeed this place is good for boasting ones ego, esp if I am having a bad day, I can look at the crap folks like you spew out Mark's getting twisted again, Dan...Notice he can't even spell the same word correctly within five words? Yes..."inferior" is a good word. Hence his need to be a "colonel", etc etc etc... Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: nobodys_old_friend wrote: Dr.Ace wrote: "nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of opinion, and point of view Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark. certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms I am certain that that meant something to you... You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone agrees to agree with you, in advance I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing. then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature and importance of the beliefs he holds cuting the english cop crap cut There's so much about you to disapprove of. Steve, K4YZ Anyone that needs to use several screen names is obviously very insecure. You may indeed have a point here Steve. He is a momma's boy, still living at home at a point in his life that he should be saving for his retirement for a career, which he obviously does not have. Oh, I don't think it's a matter of being "insecure", Dave...It's just that Mark is all about being all the things he accuses others of... then you are wrong again I am not a homophobe you are.. etc cut He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being. No doubt. I never see "KB9RQZ" in any of the activity reports in another lie frommyou Stevie you even sent me a note on something in CQ or was it CQ VHF any of the magazines. He alleges to have been a second operator at a couple of Field Day activities, nope an a second operator and I have no doubt that that pretty much summates his "operating experience". then of course you are wrong as is normal for you He is ashamed of his life, and over compensates by literally begging for attention here on USENET. He should be ashamed. OTOH I am not, so He'a a pitiful liar. I say pitiful since he can't even lie effectively, then admits to being a liar on top of it. His "I am a Colonel" story was classic, but then his insistence that he's not a mental health patient followed-up by his admissions of having been in the system are a hoot. you can't deal with Tenses very well He's blatantly stated he'd teach his children to lie. That in and of itself qualifies him for a castration before he can procreate any further. showing that you do not respect diverity of opinion I say "further" because he has, in the past, made allusion to an ex-wife who was "stalking" him for child support...No doubt another of his failures. Another lie never said it had anything to do with child support I am divorced but no one ever had to "stalk" me to make good on my obligations to my daughter and son. no one would want to but you now admitt a failed marriage That is like jumping into a pond full of Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels inferior in life as well as in ham radio. As stated.....A pathetic excuse.....etc. Hear hear. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words. Unless, of course, it's in Morse Code. Then all communications between users of unlike languages becomes crystal clear. |
K4YZ wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... cut Oh, I don't think it's a matter of being "insecure", Dave...It's just that Mark is all about being all the things he accuses others of... nope I am not a homophobic hate monger like yourself As I specified, Mark has accused me of being "obsessive-compulsive" and "ready to pounce on my every word" in RRAP replies... However HE is the one who needs multiple screen names to defeat Google's posting limits in order to get his multiple-multiple responses in in one day. He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being. No doubt. I never see "KB9RQZ" in any of the activity reports in any of the magazines. He alleges to have been a second operator at a couple of Field Day activities, and I have no doubt that that pretty much summates his "operating experience". back to your elist bull**** anyone different than you isn't a ham grow up please He is ashamed of his life, and over compensates by literally begging for attention here on USENET. He should be ashamed. He'a a pitiful liar. I say pitiful since he can't even lie effectively, then admits to being a liar on top of it. His "I am a Colonel" story was classic, but then his insistence that he's not a mental health patient followed-up by his admissions of having been in the system are a hoot. He's blatantly stated he'd teach his children to lie. That in and of itself qualifies him for a castration before he can procreate any further. I say "further" because he has, in the past, made allusion to an ex-wife who was "stalking" him for child support...No doubt another of his failures. I am divorced but no one ever had to "stalk" me to make good on my obligations to my daughter and son. at the propper yes I will theach them to lie again you refuse to accept that people can have different views than yourself you also show yourself to be of the same ilk as the Nazi's That is like jumping into a pond full of Alligators and wondering why they are chewing you to death. He feels inferior in life as well as in ham radio. As stated.....A pathetic excuse.....etc. Hear hear. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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an old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... cut "cut" = censorship Why does a guy who whines about "Freedom of Speech" constantly censor others? Oh, I don't think it's a matter of being "insecure", Dave...It's just that Mark is all about being all the things he accuses others of... nope I am not a homophobic hate monger like yourself Keep repeating that to yourself over and over, Mark. It will make you warm and fuzzy to say it, but it won't be any more "true". As I specified, Mark has accused me of being "obsessive-compulsive" and "ready to pounce on my every word" in RRAP replies... However HE is the one who needs multiple screen names to defeat Google's posting limits in order to get his multiple-multiple responses in in one day. He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being. No doubt. I never see "KB9RQZ" in any of the activity reports in any of the magazines. He alleges to have been a second operator at a couple of Field Day activities, and I have no doubt that that pretty much summates his "operating experience". back to your elist bull#### anyone different than you isn't a ham grow up please It's all about you allegedly being a ham, Mark. You claim you are a partticipant, and indeed you have a license, but you've haven't done a single thing worthwhile in Amatuer Radio. He is ashamed of his life, and over compensates by literally begging for attention here on USENET. He should be ashamed. He'a a pitiful liar. I say pitiful since he can't even lie effectively, then admits to being a liar on top of it. His "I am a Colonel" story was classic, but then his insistence that he's not a mental health patient followed-up by his admissions of having been in the system are a hoot. He's blatantly stated he'd teach his children to lie. That in and of itself qualifies him for a castration before he can procreate any further. I say "further" because he has, in the past, made allusion to an ex-wife who was "stalking" him for child support...No doubt another of his failures. I am divorced but no one ever had to "stalk" me to make good on my obligations to my daughter and son. at the propper yes I will theach them to lie again you refuse to accept that people can have different views than yourself "teach" Teaching children to lie is not "different views". It's child abuse. you also show yourself to be of the same ilk as the Nazi's Nope. YOU do. They (the Nazis) made a whole "society" based upon lies. You and your "kids" would have been right at home in the NSDAP. Especially with your already prevelent use of censorship. Pure lies and cowardice. Steve, K4YZ |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... nobodys_old_friend wrote: Dr.Ace wrote: "nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Snipped Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT. He's spent countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated with his failure to get a coded license. BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio? You've now created at least three screen names that I count as "active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric. Doesn't sound like much of a life to me.. Steve, K4YZ I am surprised Mark could even pass the No Code Tech test. It's a good thing for him it wasn't a spelling and grammar test. Ace - WH2T |
lol!!!!!!!!!! It's too bad Marky's mother's tubes weren't "snipped"
before his conception. |
On 5 Oct 2005 22:19:03 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote: you also show yourself to be of the same ilk as the Nazi's Well, this thread's over. -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 |
"K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... an old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... cut "cut" = censorship Why does a guy who whines about "Freedom of Speech" constantly censor others? Oh, I don't think it's a matter of being "insecure", Dave...It's just that Mark is all about being all the things he accuses others of... nope I am not a homophobic hate monger like yourself Keep repeating that to yourself over and over, Mark. It will make you warm and fuzzy to say it, but it won't be any more "true". As I specified, Mark has accused me of being "obsessive-compulsive" and "ready to pounce on my every word" in RRAP replies... However HE is the one who needs multiple screen names to defeat Google's posting limits in order to get his multiple-multiple responses in in one day. He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being. No doubt. I never see "KB9RQZ" in any of the activity reports in any of the magazines. He alleges to have been a second operator at a couple of Field Day activities, and I have no doubt that that pretty much summates his "operating experience". back to your elist bull#### anyone different than you isn't a ham grow up please It's all about you allegedly being a ham, Mark. You claim you are a partticipant, and indeed you have a license, but you've haven't done a single thing worthwhile in Amatuer Radio. He is ashamed of his life, and over compensates by literally begging for attention here on USENET. He should be ashamed. He'a a pitiful liar. I say pitiful since he can't even lie effectively, then admits to being a liar on top of it. His "I am a Colonel" story was classic, but then his insistence that he's not a mental health patient followed-up by his admissions of having been in the system are a hoot. He's blatantly stated he'd teach his children to lie. That in and of itself qualifies him for a castration before he can procreate any further. I say "further" because he has, in the past, made allusion to an ex-wife who was "stalking" him for child support...No doubt another of his failures. I am divorced but no one ever had to "stalk" me to make good on my obligations to my daughter and son. at the propper yes I will theach them to lie again you refuse to accept that people can have different views than yourself "teach" Teaching children to lie is not "different views". It's child abuse. you also show yourself to be of the same ilk as the Nazi's Nope. YOU do. They (the Nazis) made a whole "society" based upon lies. You and your "kids" would have been right at home in the NSDAP. Especially with your already prevelent use of censorship. Pure lies and cowardice. Steve, K4YZ I take abuse of Children quite seriously. Way beyond the pale, so to speak...I think it is time to call the Social Service types in his area. Put him on the radar at least. Dan/W4NTI |
K4YZ wrote: an old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... cut "cut" = censorship bull**** Why does a guy who whines about "Freedom of Speech" constantly censor others? I have never censored anyone why do you lie so much? Oh, I don't think it's a matter of being "insecure", Dave...It's just that Mark is all about being all the things he accuses others of... nope I am not a homophobic hate monger like yourself Keep repeating that to yourself over and over, Mark. It will make you warm and fuzzy to say it, but it won't be any more "true". No it will not be come more true it is after all already absolutely true can't get more true than that As I specified, Mark has accused me of being "obsessive-compulsive" and "ready to pounce on my every word" in RRAP replies... However HE is the one who needs multiple screen names to defeat Google's posting limits in order to get his multiple-multiple responses in in one day. He is a pathetic excuse for a ham, let alone for a human being. No doubt. I never see "KB9RQZ" in any of the activity reports in any of the magazines. He alleges to have been a second operator at a couple of Field Day activities, and I have no doubt that that pretty much summates his "operating experience". back to your elist bull#### anyone different than you isn't a ham grow up please It's all about you allegedly being a ham, Mark. I am a ham even you admit that I am one You claim you are a partticipant, and indeed you have a license, but you've haven't done a single thing worthwhile in Amatuer Radio. No I don't do CW, the only thing you seem to value I use various freqs and modes personal Favorite is FS -ATV followed by SSTY I have worked folks on every band from 6M and 1.2GHZ you are of course entitle to your opinion but it is worth about as much as an empty (paper) cup of coffee He is ashamed of his life, and over compensates by literally begging for attention here on USENET. He should be ashamed. He'a a pitiful liar. I say pitiful since he can't even lie effectively, then admits to being a liar on top of it. His "I am a Colonel" story was classic, but then his insistence that he's not a mental health patient followed-up by his admissions of having been in the system are a hoot. He's blatantly stated he'd teach his children to lie. That in and of itself qualifies him for a castration before he can procreate any further. I say "further" because he has, in the past, made allusion to an ex-wife who was "stalking" him for child support...No doubt another of his failures. I am divorced but no one ever had to "stalk" me to make good on my obligations to my daughter and son. at the propper yes I will theach them to lie again you refuse to accept that people can have different views than yourself "teach" Teaching children to lie is not "different views". yes it is It's child abuse. no it isn't and now you show you colors as a Fasist you also show yourself to be of the same ilk as the Nazi's Nope. sure do as soon as you start talking about the castration of people you disgree with you join thier ilk YOU do. nope They (the Nazis) made a whole "society" based upon lies. you got that right You and your "kids" would have been right at home in the NSDAP. No you are wrong based on my ancestery I was have died like varios distant relitives in Dachau and other camps Especially with your already prevelent use of censorship. I have never censored anyone You are the censor The Nazi's based there power in large part on the "Big lie" which you are master of Pure lies and cowardice. that is indeed your methodology Pure lies and cowardice and idle threats Steve, K4YZ |
LRod wrote: On 5 Oct 2005 22:19:03 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: you also show yourself to be of the same ilk as the Nazi's Well, this thread's over. not likely I am afraid. I had belived that the "rule" had any merit, I would have invoked long ago -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... cut Steve, K4YZ I take abuse of Children quite seriously. Way beyond the pale, so to speak...I think it is time to call the Social Service types in his area. Put him on the radar at least. Stevie Claims he has done that, I am not sure I believe him, but he claimed to have taken such action He has by his own admission email folks in the last radio before this I belonged ( and by the reports I have those email called me a pedophile, pyschopath and more besides) he has appearntly has sent eamil to most of the hams in the UP( perhaps just the western UP) with findable email adresses saying much the same thing Dan/W4NTI |
"an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... cut Steve, K4YZ I take abuse of Children quite seriously. Way beyond the pale, so to speak...I think it is time to call the Social Service types in his area. Put him on the radar at least. Stevie Claims he has done that, I am not sure I believe him, but he claimed to have taken such action He has by his own admission email folks in the last radio before this I belonged ( and by the reports I have those email called me a pedophile, pyschopath and more besides) he has appearntly has sent eamil to most of the hams in the UP( perhaps just the western UP) with findable email adresses saying much the same thing Dan/W4NTI Great !!! Freedom of speech rules in this case. Ace - WH2T |
Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message cut Dan/W4NTI Great !!! Freedom of speech rules in this case. showing your true colors as endorsing stalking and harrasment Ace - WH2T |
Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote: "an old friend" wrote in message cut Dan/W4NTI Great !!! Freedom of speech rules in this case. showing your true colors as endorsing stalking and harrasment at you sir you are honest about it Ace - WH2T |
STFU, kiddie raper.
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:18:36 +0100, LRod wrote:
On 5 Oct 2005 22:19:03 -0700, "an old friend" wrote: you also show yourself to be of the same ilk as the Nazi's Well, this thread's over. -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
To continue the thread...
'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm [snip] HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were unable to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result. What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution? "Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says Eric Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are millions of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public for camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received by the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in this emergency communication strategy." Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware to listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that." [snip] So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur community---lets see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy. TOM |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
TOM wrote:
To continue the thread... 'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm [snip] HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were unable to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result. What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution? "Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says Eric Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are millions of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public for camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received by the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in this emergency communication strategy." Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware to listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that." [snip] So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur community---lets see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy. TOM You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. Notice it states that the hams will listen for emergency traffic on the FRS frequencies and FRS will be the link to the ham radio network. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote in message ... TOM wrote: To continue the thread... 'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm [snip] HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were unable to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result. What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution? "Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says Eric Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are millions of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public for camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received by the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in this emergency communication strategy." Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware to listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that." [snip] So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur community---lets see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy. TOM You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. Notice it states that the hams will listen for emergency traffic on the FRS frequencies and FRS will be the link to the ham radio network. Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes you think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to make any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters? APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL RESPONSE TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE! |
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What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
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Cmd Buzz Corey wrote in message You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. Notice it states that the hams will listen for emergency traffic on the FRS frequencies and FRS will be the link to the ham radio network. Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... Glad you finally recognize that, it's a first step. There are MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes you think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to make any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters? So how is someone with an FRS unit going to be able to communicate with someone more than a mile away, much less in another state or across the country? The idea is that hams, using FRS units can communicte with other locals with FRS units and then put traffic into the ham radio traffic emergency system. APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL RESPONSE TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE ---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE! Oh really? The following sure doesn't indicate that. FRS will not take the place of the amateur radio service no matter how bad you would wish it so. As usual, ham radio operators help sustain wide-ranging relief efforts By Andrea Kelly ARIZONA DAILY STAR When all else fails, it's ham radio to the rescue. Across Arizona, ham radio operators are helping sustain Hurricane Katrina relief efforts by helping storm-torn communities communicate with rescue workers and family across the country. This is not a first. Ham radio operators come out of the woodwork during disasters around the world, even transmitting in Morse code if language barriers pop up, said Mike Swiader, president of the amateur Superstition Radio Club in Mesa. Ham radio operators have contributed to emergency communication efforts since World War II, Swiader said, and were crucial in post-9/11 emergency communications, as well as during the Asian tsunami last holiday season. Ham radios work when other communication systems are down because they're powered by solar energy, batteries or generators rather than the usual power sources. The messages are passed from radio to radio until they get to the one they are directed to, so radios don't need to be near each other to receive signals, like regular AM/FM radio signals. "We've been involved in passing traffic to and from the Louisiana and Mississippi area," said Tom Fagan, a leader of the Arizona ham radio operators organization. "Whatever needs to come in and go out, we're doing." When Arizona's ham operators - there are about 16,000 of them - get messages from the hurricane area, they send them along to agencies like the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army in the Southeastern region of the country. "We're the link," Fagan said. Because communications within a disaster area are often jumbled, Swiader said, it's frequently easier for someone there to contact an operator in someplace like Arizona, who can then relay the message back to a recipient in the disaster area. "Sometimes it's easier to be heard that way," he said. More than 30 ham radio operators from Arizona have already headed toward the disaster area, hoping to assist relief efforts and give emergency workers a way to communicate with each other, as well as assisting searches for missing persons. "They're moving in when they're allowed by American Red Cross and Salvation Army," said Ned Stearns, a Phoenix ham operator and vice director of the American Radio Relay League, the national organization for ham operators. In fact, the ham operators plan to compile a list of people they can determine as missing, deceased, alive or unknown, based on information transmitted over the ham signals. To find out about people in the area, visit www.satern.org and fill out the health and welfare information request for the person you are trying to find. This information will be sent through the Salvation Army emergency radio network. More From The Huntsville Times | Subscribe To The Huntsville Times Ham radio operators are helping from afar Sunday, September 11, 2005 By DONNA FORK For the Times But sometimes, even the airwaves can be shut down They also serve who listen and wait. Huntsville amateur radio operator Douglas Hilton and other "hams" in North Alabama are helping victims of Hurricane Katrina by relaying messages between families, officials and each other. Lately, Hilton's been spending most of his spare time in his "ham shack" listening to calls for assistance. The systems analyst for Intergraph Corp. is one of thousands of amateur radio operators who help people during emergencies. Hilton is unusual in the ham radio world because he wears three hats: He is an amateur operator; a member of the Alabama State Defense Force, heading the Communications Platoon for North Alabama; and he's also a military communicator authorized to use the Military Affiliate Radio System. His connection to the military (although he is a civilian) gives him access to additional radio frequencies most amateurs can't access. He has been a ham radio operator for 42 years; his father had him build a crystal radio when he was 7 years old, and he got his ham license as a teenager. But he wasn't all that active until after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "That hit me right between the eyes," he recalled, and he began to get back into "hamming." Now Hilton averages about 100 hours a month on the airwaves and takes countless courses and certifications. He noted that amateur radio operators are "amateurs only in that we're not paid." In return for service "the government gives us frequencies." Hilton said the North Alabama ham community is large. "The astronauts are all ham radio operators," he said, noting that astronaut Owen Garriott "was the first ham in space." Hilton''s "ham shack" is not really a shack at all. It is located in a formal dining room - complete with crystal chandelier. It includes six radios and two computers. "You don't need six, but don't tell my wife, please," Hilton said as his wife, Diane, laughed. She recently obtained her "technician class" license, which is the entry-level license for ham radio operators. The next is "general class." The highest, which Hilton has, is "amateur extra." Anyone can be an amateur radio operator, Hilton said. There is no age limit: Hilton knows a local ham who is 18 and another who is 89. It doesn't cost much to be an operator either, he said. A beginner could purchase enough equipment to get started for about $300. Courses are free through one of the local ham radio clubs, of which there are several, including the Huntsville Amateur Radio Club (the Web address is www.harc.net). In addition to six radios, Hilton has two computers: a laptop and a desktop. "The radios are hooked into the computer." With his setup, the Hiltons can talk to other hams as far away as Japan. But for the past two weeks there hasn't been time to chat about matters such as which antennas they like the best. There are emergency frequencies to monitor. At the moment, a critical one is the Salvation Army's emergency frequency, Hilton said. Hilton never knows if it will be a busy night or a quiet one. Recent solar flares have added to the uncertainty because they disrupt communications. Friday, during the late afternoon and early evening, it was unusually quiet. "I'm a little surprised," he said Friday. "I can't believe how dead these bands are." Solar flare It could be a solar flare, or could be something else. "That's the problem, you never know," he said. The waiting, the listening, "it wears you out." But it's worth it when you hear a voice and "you might be the only person who can hear this guy." On Thursday night, when Hilton was expecting problems, reception was fine. He was able to contact two operators in Louisiana. He also heard one Mississippi ham talking to another ham "so at least one is working there." ecause of the Hurricane Katrina disaster, there are thousands of messages piling up, waiting to be delivered by ham radio operators: What will happen when all their radios start working again? People like Hilton will be extremely busy. There are thousands of ham radio operators in Louisiana and Mississippi. When they all get back to the airwaves, it will be quite a challenge to sort out all the messages. But meanwhile, as they waited for the deluge of messages, on Thursday night the Huntsvillians received a call for help from New Mexico. Maura Campbell Kingston of Clovis, N.M., was trying to reach her aunt, 76-year-old Sister Joan Campbell, a nun, of Harvey, La. Kingston called the Salvation Army, which contacted a ham radio operator, who called Hilton. Hilton tried Thursday to reach a radio operator in Louisiana to check on Campbell, but almost all of them were off the air. Finally on Friday night Hilton got through to "KG5YK," who is Robert A. Turner of Elm Grove, La. When Turner's message came through, hams from all over the United States could be heard, eager to talk with him. Helping 'ham brother' The outpouring of sympathy could not be contained: Radio operators from Texas, Indiana and elsewhere all expressed their support for their "ham brother" in Louisiana. "I hope this never happens again," said Turner of the Katrina disaster. "It's been a tough time. ... I'm looking for the right words." He thanked the other hams for their all their help. "You'd do the same for us," the ham from Texas said. Others echoed his sentiments. Turner gave Hilton information about when to call with his "health and welfare message" about Kingston's aunt. Hilton vowed to keep trying to deliver the message "for as long as it takes." But that proved to be unnecessary. Friday night, after calling her aunt repeatedly, Kingston finally reached her by phone. She was still at her home in Harvey. "She was OK," Kingston said in a telephone interview Saturday. "Harvey stayed dry." But the area was without power and Campbell "was sitting in the dark with her flashlight." Later, Kingston called Hilton to thank him. She said he told her: "I'm just doing it because I want to help." Kingston was impressed. "I believe that thing about Southern hospitality." Thursday, September 15, 2005 Ham radio proves to be more than a hobby By Jeannetta Edwards Daily Times Leader When Hurricane Katrina hit, telephone and cell phone communication hit an impasse because of downed lines and towers. But, amateur radio operators did not miss a beat or a transmission. "Before and after the hurricane, this has proven to be the most reliable form of communication," said Randall O'Brien, a retired highway patrolman who has been involved with ham radio operation for 35 years. "People thought when they got cell phones, they didn't need us anymore," said O'Brien, an advanced licensed operator, who often talks to missionaries in South and Central America. According to Denver Baker, Clay County has more than 30 amateur radio operators, but only a small fraction are active. "It's a wonderful hobby," said Baker, whose wife recently received her technician license. The multi-faceted operation includes digital and satellite communication and is enjoyed by all age levels. "This is a good hobby for seniors or for young people," said Baker. By becoming a ham radio operator, which requires taking a test to obtain a license, people can communicate with others anywhere in the world. "The classes for the test are free," said Baker, "and we help you with everything you need to know." According to Baker, who has been enjoying this hobby for the last 10 years, the only investment required is the fee for the test and the purchase of equipment. A handheld transmitter cost around $100. The self-policing group ensures that everyone adheres to the rules and regulations. "We're called amateur radio operators, but there's nothing amateur about it," said O'Brien, who first became interested in electronic at age 13. The group, which also belongs to the American Radio Relay League, meets monthly in West Point. "We have a good bunch of hams in this area," said Baker. "We bring food at our meetings and have a good time." "It's nice, especially for seniors," said Baker. For information on getting involved in ham radio operation, call O'Brien at 494-2898 or Baker at 494-9096. Thursday, September 8, 2005 Ham Radio Operators Offer Help By Beth Hahn Mountain View Telegraph Since Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans last week, several ears in the East Mountains and Estancia Valley have been tuned to amateur short-wave radios. McIntosh resident Ed Brooks said local Ham radio operators are willing to relay messages from the Gulf Coast if needed. "We guys here in the Estancia Valley are just listening," he said. "We haven't had any need for what we can offer." Although they may not be needed yet, Brooks said local Ham radio operators are still listening in to conversations taking place in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. During the interview with Brooks, his Ham radio was tuned to a conversation involving a Coast Guard helicopter that was rescuing a family from a rooftop in New Orleans with direction from another Ham radio operator. Brooks said similar situations have been broadcast hundreds of times during the past week. "It's been really spotty, but what we've been (hearing) is that it was good fortune that somebody down there had Ham equipment," he said. Daryl Clutter, an Edgewood Ham operator and member of the Salvation Army's shortwave network, said he relayed a message from Ontario to U.S. Coast Guard officials in Washington, D.C., that originated in Louisiana. "It was just the word 'help' spelled out two times," he said. Like Brooks, Clutter said he has stayed close to his Ham radio since Aug. 29. "There's been so much going on," he said. "Every day, something happens." Clutter, a former truck driver who often delivered frozen food to the Gulf Coast, said radio traffic has slowed since the hurricane devastated the region. "You just wonder who all you know, that used to be your customers down there, that are still alive or had the good sense to get out," he said. As amateur radio operators, Clutter said, Ham enthusiasts practice for disasters "every day." "There's only so many cell phone frequencies," he explained. "If the phone system goes down, there's no way ... (one company) could handle all the 60,000 or 70,000 phone calls." Mountainair resident and Ham operator Bob Scupp said the Salvation Army network alone has handled more than 128,000 messages since Aug. 29. Brooks said Ham operators have been relaying messages from residents to volunteers or emergency personnel. Since a large number of National Guard and military personnel have arrived in the area, Brooks said the messages have changed from pleas for help to questions about well-being. Shelters for evacuees are beginning to utilize Ham radios to communicate with other shelters to help families find missing relatives, Brooks said. Rescues are still going on. "There's been instances where they're still finding people, trapped in houses, trapped in buildings or running out of oxygen," said Clutter. "It's just terrible what's going on down there." Clutter and Brooks said they will not offer assistance unless someone requests contact in the Albuquerque area. "We don't want to tie up the frequencies," Brooks said. Clutter and Brooks said they will continue to listen to their Ham radios for messages or relay requests until communications are restored in the Gulf Coast. "We live and breathe this," Clutter said. Published: September 03, 2005 07:18 pm Amateur radio operators provide vital communications support By Teresa Atkerson MCALESTER NEWS-CAPITAL (MCALESTER, Okla.) MCALESTER, Okla. - With more than 10,000 requests for help in finding loved ones, the amateur radio operators in Louisiana are extremely busy. In fact, they are so busy, they have asked people to wait with their requests unless there is an extreme emergency. Ralph Suter, with the Pittsburg County Amateur Radio Club, said they had about a half dozen requests for assistance in locating loved ones in the area devastated by Hurricane Katrina. “The Red Cross funneled the requests for health and welfare,” he explained. Now, the national traffic system is backed up with the requests, he said, because there were so many. There are extreme problems with communications in New Orleans at the present time. Suter explained VHF radio has to have line of sight while amateur radio operators can use lower frequencies that can bounce off or curve to get the message through. “A benefit of amateur radio is you can throw a piece of wire in a tree or up a flagpole. With 12 volts of power, you can operate on a local or even worldwide basis,” he explained. As an example, Suter said recently an amateur radio operator in Louisiana had some kind of problem that he couldn’t get help with after the hurricane. He put out the message, it went through Washington state to Texas and then into Louisiana where the right people were found to help him. Amateur radio operators can also communicate via Morse Code, upload through television or computer or radio to satellite, Suter said. That gives them even more advantages in communication. Jim Russell, president of the PCARC, said amateur radio has been around as long as there has been radio. Even in World War I, amateur radio operators helped with messages in Morse Code, which is something operators today still must learn as part of their licensing process. “We look at it as a hobby,” Suter said. “It’s a resource of individuals because they have an interest to develop the skills to operate radios in various modes. “It’s a resource for trained communicators.” There are forms that must be used when transmitting messages. “When it goes into the system at one point and comes out at the destination, it is exactly the same information, even with the misspelled words,” Suter said. “It’s our responsibility when handling traffic that it comes out exactly as it comes in.” Suter said many of the operators use their radios on a daily basis while others check weekly. When it comes to disasters, there is the Amateur Radio Emergency Service. “It’s not really an organization but it is organized on a national basis for community programs. John Wright, another PCARC member, checks with the Oklahoma Sooner Net and with the Salvation Army’s network, SATERN. After the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 and 9/11, Russell said amateur radio was used extensively. It is also used during and after tornadoes and other natural disasters. Now, the group can work with the Automatic Position Reporting System to help more accurately report severe weather. The group has an annual field day, which is a combination of a exercise and a contest. “We go out and set up radios under adverse conditions to simulate disaster response,” Suter said. “In the past, we’ve started with solar power, using a battery in a car or even a portable generator. “The last time I kept count, we were able to make contacts in 47 states, the Philippines, some in South America and Puerto Rico in a 24-hour period.” Suter pointed out that the word “amateur” is not what people interpret it as. “People interpret it to be an unprofessional group. But while it’s made up of a lot of people for a hobby, it’s not unorganized or unprofessional when dealing with disaster. We have capabilities that public agencies just don’t have,” he said. Members also have to be licensed. The license testing can be done in McAlester now so those wishing to be licensed don’t have to go to Dallas or Oklahoma City as in the past. Teresa Atkerson writes for the McAlester (Okla.) News-Capital. Old Technology Still Needed (Page 1 of 2) Sept. 8, 2005 Overwhelming Charity Joe Carcia, station manager of the American Radio Relay League in Newington, Conn. helps with the disaster relief effort for Hurricane Katrina's victims along the Gulf Coast. (AP) If anything, Katrina has taught us the value of redundancy. The best way to make sure that messages get through is to have standby systems that can take over when others fail. (CBS) There is a store in London dedicated to "appropriate technology." It mostly carries products designed to be used in developing countries where there is a weak communications infrastructure. Sadly, that’s now the case for a large swath of the United States where Hurricane Katrina and its flood waters have wiped out cell phone towers, telephone switching stations, Internet routers and other ground-based communications systems. Even wireless Internet depends on nearby transmitters and receivers on the ground. But amateur radio is working and, according to Allen Pitts of the Amateur Radio Relay League (ARRL), "ham" radio operators from throughout the country are answering the call to provide vital communications links. Satellite phones, a much newer technology, are also coming to the rescue. Pitts acknowledges that cell phones and other technologies "work wonderfully when everything is going right," but "they are very vulnerable when everything is going wrong." Just as with past hurricanes, earthquakes and on September 11th, the ground-based infrastructure, in many cases failed because vital parts of the system were damaged or overwhelmed during the emergency. In other words, when you need them most, those cell phones are of no value. Amateur radio, says Pitts, is not vulnerable to these problems "because each of the radio operators is a complete transmit and reception center unto themselves able to continue going and continue with nothing more than an electrical source, such as a battery or a generator, a radio and piece of wire for an antenna." Listen to audio of Larry Magid's interview with ARRL's Allen Pitts. While base-station radios are larger and require an electrical power source, there are also portable ham radios slightly larger than a pack of cigarettes with a range of about 20 miles, according to Pitts. Pitts says that the next sized radio, about the size of a paperback book, can communicate up to about 50 miles without a repeater while larger systems, "about the size of a desktop computer" can communicate globally. Amateur radio operators are in demand. When I checked the ARRL’s Web site there was a call from the Salvation Army for "10, two-operator Amateur Radio teams for deployment in the U.S. Gulf Coast. Operators must hold at least a General class license. Teams should be fully self sufficient in terms of food, water and lodging and plan to remain in the disaster area for from one to two weeks." Pitts said there was a "lady in Connecticut," who was listening on her amateur radio and happened to hear that there was a woman "who was trapped for four days without food and water." She was able to relay that message, by ham radio, into an operations center that dispatched the fire department. A day later she got a call from the trapped woman’s mother, thanking her for her role in the rescue. Ironically, this comes at a time when amateur radio is struggling for respect and, to some extent, survival. What was once a popular hobby has fallen into somewhat hard times for a variety of reasons, including the fact that the Internet, cheap long distance calling, cell phones and other technologies make the ability to use these two-way radios not quite as compelling as it once was. Also, there is a bit of a rift between some members of the amateur radio community and some parts of the Internet industry over the use of power lines to transmit Internet signals. This technology, which could put power companies into competition with cable and phone companies for broadband service, has been criticized by some ham operators because of possible interference problems. Despite the fact that their origins go back to the early 20th century, hams are hardly low-tech. There are now bridges between ham operators and other technologies including the Internet, cellular phone systems and Internet phones. In fact, long before the Internet became popular, ham operators were using their radio gear to transmit data along with voice and morse code. Also coming to the rescue are satellite phones. These phones - which are much more expensive to buy and use than cell phones - rely on satellites rather than ground equipment to communicate with the phone network. Because satellites are in space, they’re not vulnerable to conditions here on earth. Also, as long as you have a view of the sky, you’re able to communicate. Iridium, which operates "66 low-earth orbiting (LEO), cross-linked satellites and 11 in-orbit spares," says it provides "complete coverage of the earth (including oceans, airways and Polar Regions)." I carried an Iridium phone with me when I traveled to Peru a few years ago. It worked great when I was in the clear such as on a boat in the middle of the Amazon River but, because it requires a line of site view of the sky, it had problems in dense jungle and in cities with tall buildings. Iridium spokesperson Liz DeCastro estimates that there are currently about 10,000 of Iridium's phones being used in the region with orders for about 6,000 more. The company sells through resellers so it doesn’t have exact numbers. DeCastro says that "traffic in the region increased by 3,000 percent" since the storm hit and that the number of subscribers increased by 500 percent. Satellite phones are a lot cheaper to use then when I went to Peru, but they still cost between $1 and $1.25 per minute to use, according to DeCastro. That’s a lot more than domestic cell use, though often cheaper than using U.S. phones when roaming overseas. The phones themselves cost between $1,000 and $1,500 she says. In addition to handling voice calls, satellite phones can also be used for messaging or data, albeit at modem rather than broadband speed. If anything, Katrina has taught us the value of redundancy. The best way to make sure that messages get through is to have standby systems that can take over when others fail. That’s why some news organizations keep manual typewriters around. You never know when that old technology may suddenly become the "appropriate technology." NYNewsday.com Amateur radio operators head to Gulf Coast September 6, 2005, 1:00 AM EDT NEWINGTON, Conn. -- Oscar Fuller only became an amateur radio operator about a year ago, but he knows how valuable his equipment can be in an emergency. So even though he has never responded to a crisis, the American Relay Radio League member is planning to head to the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast and see if he can help establish an emergency communication network. "This is a tragic set of circumstances," said Fuller, who recently retired from IBM. "If I can lend a hand, I want to." Fuller and about 14 other members of the Newington-based amateur radio operator network have signed up to join the relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina. The amateur operators _ known as hams _ can often use their equipment to communicate in difficult circumstances. Because the radio equipment operates on many frequencies, is self-contained and portable, it can often work when other communication networks, such as telephones, aren't working. It can never be blocked, which is why operators say it is good in disasters. "When all else fails, ham radios work," said Betsy Doane of Shelton, who oversees the 2,500 members of the league in Connecticut. David Patton, an official with the radio group, said as many as 750 volunteers may be needed. The Connecticut volunteers are going to help provide communication support for more than 200 American Red Cross Shelters in Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida panhandle. "There are limited resources to an overwhelming disaster," said Allen Pitts, public relations manager for the radio league. "So there is not a ham on every corner. The hams are put where they are needed most of all, in emergency traffic or for saving lives." Dennis Motschenbacher of Colchester was among the first volunteers to say he would go. He spent Sunday shopping for supplies and getting ready for the 18-hour, 1,100 mile drive to Montgomery, Ala., where he will be dispatched to a shelter. "Everything I need, I'm bringing," he said. "There won't be any Radio Shack to go to." The 57-year-old has been a ham for more than 40 years. He has operated his radio from places as far as East Timor and the Balkans. The hardest part will be "seeing people in this troubled state _ smelly, sick, depressed, angry. And no matter what any of us do, it won't be enough for all of them." NBC Headline News - Top Stories Ham Radio Operators Pitch In To Hurricane Katrina Relief Effort General Interest 09/07/2005 With communications out all over New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, the professionals are turning to amateurs to be their ears to what's going on in the areas devastated by Hurricane Katrina. Local operators say they've been in touch with people in and around New Orleans since the beginning of the ordeal. Ed McLaughlin, of Kennewick, says in the days that followed the disaster, he was able to help a family in Medford, Ore., get an update on how their relatives were. He's provided similar contact for a family in Chicago. The reason-- ham radio, which is able to get in places that have no other means for communication when land-based infrastructure fails. Ham radio has been such a success during these recent days that FEMA and the Red Cross are now using it as their primary mode for communication until other modes of communication are restored. News-Leader.com Springfield Mo. Ham radio helps close communication gap Nixa man relayed message from president to New Orleans' mayor. Joe Hargis works on his amateur radio in his home in Nixa. Hargis helped rescue an elderly woman by notifying someone who could contact rescue workers via radio. By Sarah Overstreet News-Leader If you've been unsuccessfully trying to get information about someone living in Hurricane Katrina's region of havoc, here's an avenue you may not have considered: local ham radio operators. While cell phones rely on towers and traditional telephones rely on intact land lines, ham radios transmit from radio to radio, bouncing waves off the ionosphere in the upper atmosphere far above the Earth's tantrums. They can run off batteries, generators and sometimes even the sun. Two Ozarks amateur ham radio groups - the Nixa Amateur Radio Club and the Christian County ARES (Amateur Radio Emergency Services) - have been relaying messages from people all over the world to those whose communication has been cut off by Katrina. David Beckler, a ham radio operator from Nixa, even relayed a message Tuesday from the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency in Texas to New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin. "He had a message from President Bush to the mayor of the city of New Orleans," says Beckler, a New Orleans native who moved to Nixa six years ago. Since the message was an emergency communication, the dispatch needed to go through the net control station on an emergency frequency, Beckler said. He knew it was important, because the ham operator had said, "break, break, break," which requires all other communications to yield and give that one priority. "The net control station or other stations on this frequency could not hear this message," Beckler says. Beckler contacted the net control station, and people there asked him to contact the sending ham operator and relay the message back to that operator. "That's when he told me it was from President Bush." Joe Hargis, another Nixa ham club member, also helped with an urgent message. "I was monitoring the SATERN network (Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network)," said Hargis, a retired elementary schoolteacher. "A person called in with a piece of emergency traffic and the (receiving) person could not hear him. He said, 'Is there anyone on the frequency who can copy this?' I broke in and told him I could hear it fine." Hargis relayed the message back to SATERN, and the operator there could hear Hargis well. "It was a 90-year-old woman and her elderly neighbors. They were afraid to leave their home because of the unrest in the neighborhood, things that were going on, and they needed assistance to be evacuated. They were running low on medicine, and one was running out of her oxygen supply." Nixa ham club member Rod Kittleman says their members helped save the lives of a couple in New Orleans. "A weak, disabled elderly couple were trapped in their attic. Their phone worked, but they couldn't get through to local authorities," the KADI radio program manager explains. Too weak to break through their roof so emergency personnel could find them, the couple called their daughter in this area. She contacted the Nixa club, which relayed the message to a local ham operator who is licensed to operate on emergency frequencies. "He got through to authorities in New Orleans over the radio, and they were rescued. (The ham operator) relayed the message back to their daughter. That's the reward we live for." FRS will in no way supplant the ham radio service, no matter how bad you might like to see that happen. |
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What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
The future of the National Traffic System
http://www.eham.net/articles/12198 [snip] For those of you who may not know, the National Traffic System (NTS) consists of a carefully choreographed collection of section, region, and area nets designed to relay messages throughout the US. In a sense it's the second "R" in ARRL. NTS has a long and honorable history and has some of the best operators in the world as its membership. The recent hurricane season has raised serious doubts for me about the role that NTS plays in the current ham-radio environment. I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
TOM wrote:
I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Try turning your receiver on next time, I heard lots of H&W traffic during Katrina and Rita. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
"TOM" wrote in message ... To continue the thread... 'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... so...? WTF else is new with the price of tea in China...? Heck, I was just listening to the HWN on 14.325 and some jerk was on there playing music! So much for ham radio being a public service asset. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Ernie wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote in message ... TOM wrote: To continue the thread... 'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm [snip] HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were unable to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result. What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution? "Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says Eric Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are millions of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public for camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received by the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in this emergency communication strategy." Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware to listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that." [snip] So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur community---lets see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy. TOM You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. Notice it states that the hams will listen for emergency traffic on the FRS frequencies and FRS will be the link to the ham radio network. Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes you think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to make any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters? APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL RESPONSE TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE! And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the emergency network, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Mike Coslo wrote: Ernie wrote: Cmd Buzz Corey wrote in message ... cut Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes you think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to make any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters? APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL RESPONSE TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE! And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the emergency network, eh? guess you did not the news about text messages and such during and after Katrina a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what - Mike KB3EIA - |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
"TOM" wrote in message ... The future of the National Traffic System http://www.eham.net/articles/12198 [snip] For those of you who may not know, the National Traffic System (NTS) consists of a carefully choreographed collection of section, region, and area nets designed to relay messages throughout the US. In a sense it's the second "R" in ARRL. NTS has a long and honorable history and has some of the best operators in the world as its membership. The recent hurricane season has raised serious doubts for me about the role that NTS plays in the current ham-radio environment. I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Tom, I hate to break your ham hating crusade but the NTS can't run any traffic, if none is sent to it. I had the exact same complaint. I did manage to handle a few messages, but NOTHING like I was expecting. I have since found that the American Red Cross, for WHATEVER REASON decided that ham radio was not good enough to use. Other than for a VHF Telephone network between shelters that is. Not our bad Tom. We were there, ready, willing, and able. Dan/W4NTI |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message m... TOM wrote: I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Try turning your receiver on next time, I heard lots of H&W traffic during Katrina and Rita. I think he will respond with "not on the National Traffic System". And he would be right. I heard lots of "traffic" on the designated emergency nets. Although most of that was not formatted properly (as in NTS format). Dan/W4NTI |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
"20 Meter Kookenschlong" wrote in message roups.com... "TOM" wrote in message ... To continue the thread... 'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... so...? WTF else is new with the price of tea in China...? Heck, I was just listening to the HWN on 14.325 and some jerk was on there playing music! So much for ham radio being a public service asset. That's right....because one drunken goofball plays music...ALL of ham radio is a failure. You don't pull jury duty do you? Dan/W4NTI |
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