On 1 Oct 2005 19:05:09 -0700, wrote:

Korbin posted:

"Well FM on 2, 6 or 10m is not used for Field Day, I don't know why but
its
not."

First, likely I missed in in the original post, but I don't recall him
mentioning the use of FM modulation.

He talked about 146.52 simplex which might as well be mentioning FM.

In every field day and emergency preparedness I have ever participated
in, a.m was the accepted standard.

It's been decades since you've participated, then, because FM pretty
much took over the 2M band in the '70s. There's still a lot of weak
signal work--SSB and CW, but AM? It can hardly be found. And it hasn't
been the accepted standard since the '60s, maybe.

Second, the use of a 75-watt transmitter with a collinear raised
30-feet above the ground on field day?

What are you talking about? Neither of those parameters sound at all
out of line at FD. For VHF you definitely want the antenna as high as
possible. The only thing wrong with the 75 watts is the power required
to make it run. 25 watts would be more than enough.

Evidently TOM doesn't grasp the spirit of the event which combines
with the fact that he isn't a very experienced ham operator.

Apparently neither are you.

Then too, the ham community has eroded considerably since these
exercises were devised. In fact, a competent ham should have been
nearly able to work multiple states with the rig he has described.

I rest my case. With no enhancement, there are a lot of places where
you'd be hard pressed to work out of state with the setup you think is
too much. South Florida would certainly be one of them.

Anybody left alive here that remembers the 2M Gooney Box, the rig that
was the standard for ham emergency communication for more years than I
personally care to remember?

There were probably more Twoers than Gonsets in the '60s. Yes, I
remember.

Its final was a 2E26; Its antenna was
typically a quarter-wave stub (a piece of stiff wire poked into the UHF
connector on the top of its box or an antenna consisting of a half-wave
piece of tv twin line. Its output was anywhere from 5-watts to 10-watts
run into that improvised antenna. When battery powered on field day,
the output of the rig was arguably between 3 and 5-watts.

And you're saying you were able to work multiple states with that
without enhancement?

Still on field day exercises conducted in preparation for an emergency,
even the low power rigs with a minimal antenna could garnish at least
50 contact on field day, but this was during the 1970s. Ham radio has
seriously declined since that time. This is why I ceased to renew my
K2JEZ General Class license around 1982.

K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins.

Read into my above comments what ever you want.

Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time
ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century.

Yeah, what a credible story.

--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

Harry C.

wrote:
LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

which is close for the point to be valid

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and
blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their
licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several
decades ago

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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wrote:
LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

which is close for the point to be valid

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and
blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their
licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several
decades ago

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

which is close for the point to be valid

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and
blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their
licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several
decades ago

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

Dan/W4NTI

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


Snipped

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little
about)!


You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.
Ace - WH2T

Dr.Ace wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


Snipped

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little
about)!

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of
opinion, and point of view


You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous
discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are
merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region.
Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large,
as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small
stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff
affecting the real size and scope of the disaster.

The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in
part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to
have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and
Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly
limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams

Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.

I just choose not to sign it,

unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the
common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign
Ace - WH2T

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

which is close for the point to be valid

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old
time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as
a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value.
Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and
blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their
licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several
decades ago

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

Dan/W4NTI

Not at all. I just consider you a complete fool and chose not to waste my
time debating such an ignorant goof as you.

Dan/W4NTI

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

which is close for the point to be valid

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old
time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as
a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value.
Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and
blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their
licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several
decades ago

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

Dan/W4NTI

Not at all. I just consider you a complete fool and chose not to waste my
time debating such an ignorant goof as you.

gee that isn't waht you said last week, but then I don't realy expect
folks like you to keep theire stories straight, even from post to post



Dan/W4NTI