On 18 Oct 2005 17:56:35 -0700, wrote:


an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
KØHB wrote:
"an Old friend" wrote

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the band plans themselve mention the possiblity of local varriations

Oooh! Ouch!! No!!!

Say it ain't so....

The MMM have spoken, and the ARRL Repeater Guide is Wrong, Wrongg,
WRONGGG!!!

Guess the suggestions made were too simplistic? We HAVE to have a
fight over this?

guess you do

A$$hole Flambe' gotta have a fight.

I was just trying to spark On topic discussion related to the prupose
of NG on a subject I have always been curious about

Yikes! Whatever possessed you to try an on-topic discussion?

Hope my reply helped. You're in Michigan? Do you want to
coordinator's info?

we are Yoopers can't seem to raise anyone at the listed coordinator
OTOH neither do the emails bounce

not alone in this obsevation either
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we are Yoopers can't seem to raise anyone at the listed coordinator
OTOH neither do the emails bounce


I don't think the repeater coordinators care what you do on other modes. Here
in Minnesota, at least, they concern themselves only with the repeater
sub-bands.

If I wanted to establish a new local AM presence I wouldn't even involve the
coordinator, if for no other reason than it's outside their job description, and
once you have their advice it becomes a "rule" of sorts. Fugitit!

As I mentioned earlier, in this area the casual AM'ers seem to be clustered
between 50.400 and 50.550, although I think there are a couple of nets that use
50.355. My inclination would be to stay above the SSB weak signal guys and
below the digital stuff. That gives you 600KHz, or roughly 75 6KHz AM slots
with 3KHz guard channels interleaved.

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Lord High Liberator of the Magic Electric Smoke

KØHB wrote:
wrote


we are Yoopers can't seem to raise anyone at the listed coordinator
OTOH neither do the emails bounce


I don't think the repeater coordinators care what you do on other modes. Here
in Minnesota, at least, they concern themselves only with the repeater
sub-bands.

Yet there are frequency coordinators listed in the ARRL Repeater Guide
that do concern themselves with with frequencies, especially if you
wan't to operate outside the ordinary bandplans.

If I wanted to establish a new local AM presence I wouldn't even involve the
coordinator, if for no other reason than it's outside their job description, and
once you have their advice it becomes a "rule" of sorts. Fugitit!

Yikes! Rules from people working outside "thier" job descriptions.

As I mentioned earlier, in this area the casual AM'ers seem to be clustered
between 50.400 and 50.550, although I think there are a couple of nets that use
50.355. My inclination would be to stay above the SSB weak signal guys and
below the digital stuff. That gives you 600KHz, or roughly 75 6KHz AM slots
with 3KHz guard channels interleaved.

Fair enough. But they just might have some crystals for freqs in the
repeater bands (whatever those happen to be at the moment), and want to
do some operating as long as they don't interfere with existing users.
He never did say what he wanted to do exactly.

On 19 Oct 2005 14:50:07 -0700, wrote:


KØHB wrote:
wrote


we are Yoopers can't seem to raise anyone at the listed coordinator
OTOH neither do the emails bounce


I don't think the repeater coordinators care what you do on other modes. Here
in Minnesota, at least, they concern themselves only with the repeater
sub-bands.

Yet there are frequency coordinators listed in the ARRL Repeater Guide
that do concern themselves with with frequencies, especially if you
wan't to operate outside the ordinary bandplans.

If I wanted to establish a new local AM presence I wouldn't even involve the
coordinator, if for no other reason than it's outside their job description, and
once you have their advice it becomes a "rule" of sorts. Fugitit!

Yikes! Rules from people working outside "thier" job descriptions.

As I mentioned earlier, in this area the casual AM'ers seem to be clustered
between 50.400 and 50.550, although I think there are a couple of nets that use
50.355. My inclination would be to stay above the SSB weak signal guys and
below the digital stuff. That gives you 600KHz, or roughly 75 6KHz AM slots
with 3KHz guard channels interleaved.

Fair enough. But they just might have some crystals for freqs in the
repeater bands (whatever those happen to be at the moment), and want to
do some operating as long as they don't interfere with existing users.
He never did say what he wanted to do exactly.

what I have been doing is listening to the local's folks

and I find there are thing about various bandplans that they don't
like

one is number of folks here and that Includes me) want to operate 6 AM
without hearing from DX

another is some arguement over FSATV here north of the "A" Line which
cuts off the bottom of the band where FSATV hangs out in most places

a thrid issue is some of the local are not happy about the 222
bandplan, not quite sure yet what the beef is , all I do know is that
it has something to do with the fact we can reach Canada on that Band
fairly often. Indeed I manage a 222 MHZ FM simplex sked most weeks
with ham in Thunder Bay Ont

I know it is possible to adpot local variants.it would nice nice to
know how to go about it. One could just do as we please and more than
likely no one will notice. I don't like that "solution" as I know it
encourages chaos and if we start ignoring the bandplans in VHF then HF
bandplans are real danger. what I am looking for is an alternitive, a
way to deal with local within the struture so we can encourage
continued adherence to bandplans by making them fit us where we can,
and at VHF and up we can do this in real terms

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On 19 Oct 2005 14:50:07 -0700, wrote:


KØHB wrote:
wrote


we are Yoopers can't seem to raise anyone at the listed coordinator
OTOH neither do the emails bounce


I don't think the repeater coordinators care what you do on other modes. Here
in Minnesota, at least, they concern themselves only with the repeater
sub-bands.

Yet there are frequency coordinators listed in the ARRL Repeater Guide
that do concern themselves with with frequencies, especially if you
wan't to operate outside the ordinary bandplans.

If I wanted to establish a new local AM presence I wouldn't even involve the
coordinator, if for no other reason than it's outside their job description, and
once you have their advice it becomes a "rule" of sorts. Fugitit!

Yikes! Rules from people working outside "thier" job descriptions.

As I mentioned earlier, in this area the casual AM'ers seem to be clustered
between 50.400 and 50.550, although I think there are a couple of netsthat use
50.355. My inclination would be to stay above the SSB weak signal guys and
below the digital stuff. That gives you 600KHz, or roughly 75 6KHz AMslots
with 3KHz guard channels interleaved.

Fair enough. But they just might have some crystals for freqs in the
repeater bands (whatever those happen to be at the moment), and want to
do some operating as long as they don't interfere with existing users.
He never did say what he wanted to do exactly.

what I have been doing is listening to the local's folks

and I find there are thing about various bandplans that they don't
like

OK.

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

one is number of folks here and that Includes me) want to operate 6 AM
without hearing from DX

OK...Leave your coax plugged into an dummy load...(No, not
him...the 50 ohm one under the desk...)

If you don't want to "hear from the DX", then just don't answer
them. Otherwise you're at the whim of the Propagation God, and he
doesn't give a hoot who you want to hear from or not. When six meters
is open, it's open...When it's not, it's not.

If you want to just "work the locals", select one of the 2M or
70cm coordinated simplex channels. There's more than enough and you're
far enough away from any major city so as to not have to "deal" with
the DX.

another is some arguement over FSATV here north of the "A" Line which
cuts off the bottom of the band where FSATV hangs out in most places

So have the guys who live north of the line use the higher
channels to transmit on and below the line use the lower...

Problem solved.

a thrid issue is some of the local are not happy about the 222
bandplan, not quite sure yet what the beef is , all I do know is that
it has something to do with the fact we can reach Canada on that Band
fairly often. Indeed I manage a 222 MHZ FM simplex sked most weeks
with ham in Thunder Bay Ont

The beef is that we gave away the lower 2Mhz.

I know it is possible to adpot local variants.it would nice nice to
know how to go about it. One could just do as we please and more than
likely no one will notice.

ta-DAAAAAAAAAAH! Just make sure you're not interfering with any
users who ARE in compliance with the bandplan and you have no problem.

I don't like that "solution" as I know it
encourages chaos and if we start ignoring the bandplans in VHF then HF
bandplans are real danger. what I am looking for is an alternitive, a
way to deal with local within the struture so we can encourage
continued adherence to bandplans by making them fit us where we can,
and at VHF and up we can do this in real terms

Know how I avoid this problem...?!?!

I start off any transmission that MIGHT cause interference with...

"Is this frequency in use...?!?!"

Works just as well above 50Mhz as it does below it...

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
On 19 Oct 2005 14:50:07 -0700, wrote:


KØHB wrote:
wrote


we are Yoopers can't seem to raise anyone at the listed coordinator
OTOH neither do the emails bounce


I don't think the repeater coordinators care what you do on other modes. Here
in Minnesota, at least, they concern themselves only with the repeater
sub-bands.

Yet there are frequency coordinators listed in the ARRL Repeater Guide
that do concern themselves with with frequencies, especially if you
wan't to operate outside the ordinary bandplans.

If I wanted to establish a new local AM presence I wouldn't even involve the
coordinator, if for no other reason than it's outside their job description, and
once you have their advice it becomes a "rule" of sorts. Fugitit!

Yikes! Rules from people working outside "thier" job descriptions.

As I mentioned earlier, in this area the casual AM'ers seem to be clustered
between 50.400 and 50.550, although I think there are a couple of nets that use
50.355. My inclination would be to stay above the SSB weak signal guys and
below the digital stuff. That gives you 600KHz, or roughly 75 6KHz AM slots
with 3KHz guard channels interleaved.

Fair enough. But they just might have some crystals for freqs in the
repeater bands (whatever those happen to be at the moment), and want to
do some operating as long as they don't interfere with existing users.
He never did say what he wanted to do exactly.

what I have been doing is listening to the local's folks

and I find there are thing about various bandplans that they don't
like

OK.

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

well it is different since bandplans are not laws in any sense

you are realy over the edge the ARRL does not make laws

the FCC does not make laws

neither of these bodies has the power to make laws

thank you for showing off your mental breakdown ...

cuting the rest of Stevie raving

raped_an_old_friends_husband wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
On 19 Oct 2005 14:50:07 -0700, wrote:


KØHB wrote:
wrote


we are Yoopers can't seem to raise anyone at the listed coordinator
OTOH neither do the emails bounce


I don't think the repeater coordinators care what you do on other modes. Here
in Minnesota, at least, they concern themselves only with the repeater
sub-bands.

Yet there are frequency coordinators listed in the ARRL Repeater Guide
that do concern themselves with with frequencies, especially if you
wan't to operate outside the ordinary bandplans.

If I wanted to establish a new local AM presence I wouldn't even involve the
coordinator, if for no other reason than it's outside their job description, and
once you have their advice it becomes a "rule" of sorts. Fugitit!

Yikes! Rules from people working outside "thier" job descriptions.

As I mentioned earlier, in this area the casual AM'ers seem to be clustered
between 50.400 and 50.550, although I think there are a couple of nets that use
50.355. My inclination would be to stay above the SSB weak signalguys and
below the digital stuff. That gives you 600KHz, or roughly 75 6KHz AM slots
with 3KHz guard channels interleaved.

Fair enough. But they just might have some crystals for freqs in the
repeater bands (whatever those happen to be at the moment), and wantto
do some operating as long as they don't interfere with existing users.
He never did say what he wanted to do exactly.

what I have been doing is listening to the local's folks

and I find there are thing about various bandplans that they don't
like

OK.

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

well it is different since bandplans are not laws in any sense

Sure they are.

The FCC has said that Amateur coordination groups were the defacto
band planning resources, and that persons who operated in such a way as
to cause interference to those plans was violating FCC rules and
regulations.

you are realy over the edge the ARRL does not make laws

"really"

I didn't say ANYthing about the ARRL, Mark...

So I'd have to say YOU are over the edge.

the FCC does not make laws

neither of these bodies has the power to make laws

thank you for showing off your mental breakdown ...

No breakdown, Markie.

The FCC regulates numerous forms of communications in direct
response to thier mandate in the Communications Act of 1934 and others
as ammended.

Congress has delegated those parts of THIER responsiblities TO the
FCC in said Act

The Rules and Regulations of the Federal Communications Commission
as publsihed by them in the Federal Register ARE laws.

cuting the rest of Stevie raving

"cutting"

Reinserting since there was NO "raving"

QUOTE

one is number of folks here and that Includes me) want to operate 6 AM
without hearing from DX

OK...Leave your coax plugged into an dummy load...(No, not
him...the 50 ohm one under the desk...)

If you don't want to "hear from the DX", then just don't answer
them. Otherwise you're at the whim of the Propagation God, and he
doesn't give a hoot who you want to hear from or not. When six meters
is open, it's open...When it's not, it's not.

If you want to just "work the locals", select one of the 2M or
70cm coordinated simplex channels. There's more than enough and you're

far enough away from any major city so as to not have to "deal" with
the DX.

another is some arguement over FSATV here north of the "A" Line which
cuts off the bottom of the band where FSATV hangs out in most places

So have the guys who live north of the line use the higher
channels to transmit on and below the line use the lower...

Problem solved.

a thrid issue is some of the local are not happy about the 222
bandplan, not quite sure yet what the beef is , all I do know is that
it has something to do with the fact we can reach Canada on that Band
fairly often. Indeed I manage a 222 MHZ FM simplex sked most weeks
with ham in Thunder Bay Ont

The beef is that we gave away the lower 2Mhz.

I know it is possible to adpot local variants.it would nice nice to
know how to go about it. One could just do as we please and more than
likely no one will notice.

ta-DAAAAAAAAAAH! Just make sure you're not interfering with any
users who ARE in compliance with the bandplan and you have no problem.

I don't like that "solution" as I know it
encourages chaos and if we start ignoring the bandplans in VHF then HF
bandplans are real danger. what I am looking for is an alternitive, a
way to deal with local within the struture so we can encourage
continued adherence to bandplans by making them fit us where we can,
and at VHF and up we can do this in real terms

Know how I avoid this problem...?!?!

I start off any transmission that MIGHT cause interference with...


"Is this frequency in use...?!?!"

Works just as well above 50Mhz as it does below it...

Steve, K4YZ

UNQUOTE

"K4YZ" wrote

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

Bandplans are cooperative agreements between affected amateurs, not "laws".

KØHB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

Bandplans are cooperative agreements between affected amateurs, not "laws".

Sigh......

Bandplans are mutually agreed upon frequency sharing arrangents
that the FCC has repeatedly stated the violation of will get the
violator "busted".

While not codified in thier own right, they are, none the less,
enforced BY the Federal Communications Commission.

Refer to the current FCC list of NOV's, NAL's and Warnings. There
are, unfortunately, numerous folks who have violated non-law "laws"
that the FCC has demanded corrective action for.

Close enough for me.

73

Steve, K4YZ

KØHB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

Bandplans are cooperative agreements between affected amateurs, not "laws".

for an occasion we find ourselfs in absolute agreement

and as amateur they are subject to modifcation by us which proves they
are not laws