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"I've always had trouble with integrating "youngsters"
in what is a primarily _adult_ skill/technique recreational activity." - Len Anderson http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en |
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wrote in message oups.com... "I've always had trouble with integrating "youngsters" in what is a primarily _adult_ skill/technique recreational activity." - Len Anderson http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en The integration of youngsters into adult activities is one of the beauties of ham radio. This is one of the few opportunities that they have to learn by direct participation on an equal footing with adults. This opportunity has been increasingly rare in modern times. The young normally tend to be isolated to non-adult activities and the adults are there simply as supervisors, trainers, or "taxis." It is truly a wonderful thing to see the youngsters, oldsters, and those in-between working together on projects. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Len Anderson wrote the following quote: "I've always had trouble with integrating "youngsters" in what is a primarily _adult_ skill/technique recreational activity." - Len Anderson http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en The integration of youngsters into adult activities is one of the beauties of ham radio. Agreed! This is one of the few opportunities that they have to learn by direct participation on an equal footing with adults. And it has always been so, at least in the USA. This opportunity has been increasingly rare in modern times. The young normally tend to be isolated to non-adult activities and the adults are there simply as supervisors, trainers, or "taxis." It is truly a wonderful thing to see the youngsters, oldsters, and those in-between working together on projects. It's also a wonderful thing to hear people of all ages on the ham bands, working each other regardless of age, gender, race, religion, etc., without prejudice or classification by same. Morse Code and the "data modes" are better for this than voice. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Len Anderson wrote the following quote: "I've always had trouble with integrating "youngsters" in what is a primarily _adult_ skill/technique recreational activity." - Len Anderson http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en The integration of youngsters into adult activities is one of the beauties of ham radio. Agreed! This is one of the few opportunities that they have to learn by direct participation on an equal footing with adults. And it has always been so, at least in the USA. This opportunity has been increasingly rare in modern times. The young normally tend to be isolated to non-adult activities and the adults are there simply as supervisors, trainers, or "taxis." It is truly a wonderful thing to see the youngsters, oldsters, and those in-between working together on projects. It's also a wonderful thing to hear people of all ages on the ham bands, working each other regardless of age, gender, race, religion, etc., without prejudice or classification by same. Morse Code and the "data modes" are better for this than voice. 73 de Jim, N2EY Obviously you've never heard of the Boy Scouts of America nor the Merit Badge program. Best of luck catching up to the world as it presently exists. The Boy Scouts is a youth activity program led and supervised by the adults. It is not an activity where the young are integrated into an adult activity and participating on an equal footing. The Scoutmaster leads the troop. On the other hand, in amateur radio, the 14 year old Extra can be a control op at HF while the 60 year old Tech cannot. I.e. In ham radio, the license is the controlling factor while age is irrelevant. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Len Anderson wrote the following quote: "I've always had trouble with integrating "youngsters" in what is a primarily _adult_ skill/technique recreational activity." - Len Anderson http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en The integration of youngsters into adult activities is one of the beauties of ham radio. Agreed! This is one of the few opportunities that they have to learn by direct participation on an equal footing with adults. And it has always been so, at least in the USA. This opportunity has been increasingly rare in modern times. The young normally tend to be isolated to non-adult activities and the adults are there simply as supervisors, trainers, or "taxis." It is truly a wonderful thing to see the youngsters, oldsters, and those in-between working together on projects. It's also a wonderful thing to hear people of all ages on the ham bands, working each other regardless of age, gender, race, religion, etc., without prejudice or classification by same. Morse Code and the "data modes" are better for this than voice. 73 de Jim, N2EY Obviously you've never heard of the Boy Scouts of America nor the Merit Badge program. Best of luck catching up to the world as it presently exists. The Boy Scouts is a youth activity program led and supervised by the adults. It is not an activity where the young are integrated into an adult activity and participating on an equal footing. The Scoutmaster leads the troop. On the other hand, in amateur radio, the 14 year old Extra can be a control op at HF while the 60 year old Tech cannot. I.e. In ham radio, the license is the controlling factor while age is irrelevant. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE So you think the Scoutmaster is the Merit Badge Coundelor? |
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wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Len Anderson wrote the following quote: "I've always had trouble with integrating "youngsters" in what is a primarily _adult_ skill/technique recreational activity." - Len Anderson http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en The integration of youngsters into adult activities is one of the beauties of ham radio. Agreed! This is one of the few opportunities that they have to learn by direct participation on an equal footing with adults. And it has always been so, at least in the USA. This opportunity has been increasingly rare in modern times. The young normally tend to be isolated to non-adult activities and the adults are there simply as supervisors, trainers, or "taxis." It is truly a wonderful thing to see the youngsters, oldsters, and those in-between working together on projects. It's also a wonderful thing to hear people of all ages on the ham bands, working each other regardless of age, gender, race, religion, etc., without prejudice or classification by same. Morse Code and the "data modes" are better for this than voice. 73 de Jim, N2EY Obviously you've never heard of the Boy Scouts of America nor the Merit Badge program. Best of luck catching up to the world as it presently exists. The Boy Scouts is a youth activity program led and supervised by the adults. It is not an activity where the young are integrated into an adult activity and participating on an equal footing. The Scoutmaster leads the troop. On the other hand, in amateur radio, the 14 year old Extra can be a control op at HF while the 60 year old Tech cannot. I.e. In ham radio, the license is the controlling factor while age is irrelevant. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE So you think the Scoutmaster is the Merit Badge Coundelor? Didn't say that. Said scouts are under the supervision and leadership of adults and not on an equal footing with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Seems that a voice conversation, under almost every circumstance, would lead to a richer exchange of information and better interperson understanding than either Morse or "data" modes. Voices naturally convey emotion and mood, allow an almost continuous range of emphasis, and can use different inflection to add subtle but important syntactic variations to many words. None of this is possible in Morse or "data" modes, except in some very crude ways such as emoticons. The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
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Wrote: It's also a wonderful thing to hear people of all ages on the ham bands, working each other regardless of age, gender, race, religion, etc., without prejudice or classification by same. Morse Code and the "data modes" are better for this than voice. Why are those modes "better" than voice? I think you misunderstand. Voice modes give all sorts of information about the speaker's age, gender, ethnicity, etc., which are not immediately obvious with Morse Code or "data modes". Seems that a voice conversation, under almost every circumstance, would lead to a richer exchange of information and better interperson understanding than either Morse or "data" modes. Why? Voice modes can cause the listener to focus more on who is talking and how they are talking, rather than what is being said. Voices naturally convey emotion and mood, allow an almost continuous range of emphasis, and can use different inflection to add subtle but important syntactic variations to many words. Those features can also be a weakness of voice modes. None of this is possible in Morse or "data" modes, except in some very crude ways such as emoticons. Which means the sender must concentrate on what is sent, not how it is sent. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Dee Flint wrote: Didn't say that. Said scouts are under the supervision and leadership of adults and not on an equal footing with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE There is no requirement for a merit badge counselor to be a scout leader. There is no requirement for a scout leader to supervise a scout and his merit badge counselor, however, the merit badge counselor must fill out a form and be approved to perform as such. The merit badge counselor works like the "Elmer" concept in amateur radio. What do you think happens when the scout is going for his Radio merit badge? |
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"Iitoi" wrote in message ... Wrote: It's also a wonderful thing to hear people of all ages on the ham bands, working each other regardless of age, gender, race, religion, etc., without prejudice or classification by same. Morse Code and the "data modes" are better for this than voice. Why are those modes "better" than voice? Seems that a voice conversation, under almost every circumstance, would lead to a richer exchange of information and better interperson understanding than either Morse or "data" modes. Voices naturally convey emotion and mood, allow an almost continuous range of emphasis, and can use different inflection to add subtle but important syntactic variations to many words. None of this is possible in Morse or "data" modes, except in some very crude ways such as emoticons. The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ -- Iitoi I believe that his point was that on the non-voice modes, you cannot tell whether someone is male or female or whether they are young or old. So that there is less chance of them being discriminated against or harassed by those who think women or young people should not be on the radio. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"who is talking" and "how they are talking" are often (if not always) as important in understanding "what is being said". Consider this question: "How much should I take off?" Suppose the questioner was your barber discussing your hair, or a romantic partner discussing her attire, or car salesperson discussing price discounts. Clearly the meaning of that query is wildly different depending on "who is talking and how they are talking". Quote:
In summary, "What is being said, who is saying it, and how they are saying it" will always lead to a richer conversation than just "what is being said". The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
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wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: Didn't say that. Said scouts are under the supervision and leadership of adults and not on an equal footing with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE There is no requirement for a merit badge counselor to be a scout leader. There is no requirement for a scout leader to supervise a scout and his merit badge counselor, however, the merit badge counselor must fill out a form and be approved to perform as such. The merit badge counselor works like the "Elmer" concept in amateur radio. What do you think happens when the scout is going for his Radio merit badge? When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. On the other hand, a 14 year old ham radio licensee has all the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities as any other licensee of the same class. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Also interesting to note that the Scouts (both Boy and Girl) have an elaborate system of "rank, status, and privilege" by which they classify different members, and their accomplishments. An "incentive" system, if you will. On the other hand, a 14 year old ham radio licensee ....or a 10 year old, or an 8 year old... has all the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities as any other licensee of the same class. And it's been that way (in the USA) since at least 1912. Yet the proponents of an age requirement for a USA-issued amateur license cannot provide any evidence that the lack of such a requirement has caused problems for the ARS. More important, this lack of an age requirement plus the anonymizing nature of Morse Code and the "data modes" has promoted and supported a form of equality among hams of all ages are/were very rare. Perhaps it is this equality that bothers some people so much. When I was a 13 year old calling CQ on 80 CW, those who heard my signal and answered did not know I was a seventh-grader unless I told them. When I was 14 and NCSing section nets and taking traffic to the region net, (all using Morse Code) no one asked or cared how old I was - they only cared if I was a competent operator. There's a teenager who has the distinction of being the youngest ham to earn an Amateur Extra class license - which that ham did at the age of 8. Our first QSO (using Morse Code, naturally) was when that amateur was 10 - and I didn't find out about the age thing until well into the QSO. Why should there be an age limit for an amateur radio license? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Has it ever? Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I. It has no bearing on whether or not the young scouts have equality with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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I think you have to go back several decades to the legendary W2OY (with aplologies to the current holder) to find a single visible example of that attitude. As a member of multiple minority groups (Native American, Hispanic surname, non-Christian religion) I'm sensitive to discrimination and harrassment issues. My long and enthusiastic association with amateur radio is in large part due to my complete acceptance within the hobby without any regard to my ethnic roots, skin color, or religion. Neither have I seen anything but complete acceptance of young people and those of the fairer gender in the hobby. If the general population were as tolerant of diversity as I've found the ham hobbiests to be, this would certainly be a nicer place to live. Thus N2EY's suggestion (if that's really his point as you surmise) that young people and females would do well to mask themselves behind keys/keyboards to avoid unpleasantness is ludicrous on it's face, and might be construed as a projection of an unrevealed agenda of his own. The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
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Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Has it ever? Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I. Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault. It has no bearing on whether or not the young scouts have equality with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in peace. |
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On 30 Oct 2005 17:49:45 -0800, wrote:
Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Has it ever? Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I. Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault. It has no bearing on whether or not the young scouts have equality with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in peace. Dee has her mind made made up and like the rest is not willing to entertain any discussion _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:42:18 +0000, Iitoi
wrote: Dee Flint Wrote: I believe that his point was that on the non-voice modes, you cannot tell whether someone is male or female or whether they are young or old. So that there is less chance of them being discriminated against or harassed by those who think women or young people should not be on the radio. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Is there a large percentage (or even a measurable fraction) of hams "who think women or young people should not be on the radio"? I think you have to go back several decades to the legendary W2OY (with aplologies to the current holder) to find a single visible example of that attitude. As a member of multiple minority groups (Native American, Hispanic surname, non-Christian religion) I'm sensitive to discrimination and harrassment issues. My long and enthusiastic association with amateur radio is in large part due to my complete acceptance within the hobby without any regard to my ethnic roots, skin color, or religion. Neither have I seen anything but complete acceptance of young people and those of the fairer gender in the hobby. If the general population were as tolerant of diversity as I've found the ham hobbiests to be, this would certainly be a nicer place to live. Thus N2EY's suggestion (if that's really his point as you surmise) that young people and females would do well to mask themselves behind keys/keyboards to avoid unpleasantness is ludicrous on it's face, and might be construed as a projection of an unrevealed agenda of his own. his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male I certainly prefer non voice mode myself FSATV esp The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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Your point seems to be that you are accepted on the air when you are presumed to be female, but discriminated against when it is discovered your gender is male. The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:22:33 +0000, Iitoi
wrote: Wrote: his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male That seems exactly counter to his "point". His point (as interpreted by N8UZE) is that females and children are subject to discrimination and should anonomize themselves by avoiding voice operation. Your point seems to be that you are accepted on the air when you are presumed to be female, but discriminated against when it is discovered your gender is male. not accepted but rather shall we say sought after a few of the guys have proposed Marriage to me and other anoying stunts then get reaaallllly ****ed to find I am male The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Has it ever? Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I. Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault. It has no bearing on whether or not the young scouts have equality with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in peace. And if you choose to believe that the scouts and the adult leaders are interacting as equals, then go right ahead even though that is not the way they are set up. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"Iitoi" wrote in message ... Wrote: his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male That seems exactly counter to his "point". His point (as interpreted by N8UZE) is that females and children are subject to discrimination and should anonomize themselves by avoiding voice operation. Just to clarify, I have never personally experienced such discrimination on the air and have no reason to avoid voice. I have known one youth who was discriminated against though. She was working CW and doing it better than the person with whom she was having a QSO. When that person learned her age, they terminated the QSO. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:12:51 +0000, Iitoi
wrote: Wrote: not accepted but rather shall we say sought after a few of the guys have proposed Marriage to me Is this fool real? interesting that you ask after also start a thread titled Mark bough a new wris****ch The Man in the Maze QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Has it ever? Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I. Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault. It has no bearing on whether or not the young scouts have equality with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in peace. And if you choose to believe that the scouts and the adult leaders are interacting as equals, then go right ahead even though that is not the way they are set up. I don't beleive that, never have, see above. You refuse to become knowledgeable about another facet of scouting; the merit badge counselor. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Has it ever? Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I. Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault. It has no bearing on whether or not the young scouts have equality with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in peace. And if you choose to believe that the scouts and the adult leaders are interacting as equals, then go right ahead even though that is not the way they are set up. I don't beleive that, never have, see above. You refuse to become knowledgeable about another facet of scouting; the merit badge counselor. I have always been talking about the interaction of equals. You keep trying to switch it to the merit badge counselor. I choose not to fall for the bait and switch. Since I've stated my point several times, I will not continue this discourse as I've no interest in your bait and switch tactics. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:56:40 -0500, "Dee Flint"
wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Has it ever? Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I. Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault. It has no bearing on whether or not the young scouts have equality with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in peace. And if you choose to believe that the scouts and the adult leaders are interacting as equals, then go right ahead even though that is not the way they are set up. I don't beleive that, never have, see above. You refuse to become knowledgeable about another facet of scouting; the merit badge counselor. I have always been talking about the interaction of equals. You keep trying to switch it to the merit badge counselor. Noramly i would make some cuts up there but in this case I will not Leaving them alone makes the post complee in prooving Dee Flint is lying in the assertion Brain is trying to switch the subject I choose not to fall for the bait and switch. Since I've stated my point several times, I will not continue this discourse.... standard response form the elitist liars around here first lying about discoursing in the first place then ....... as I've no interest in your bait and switch tactics. then refuse to discuss at all SOP Dee D. Flint, N8UZE _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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Wrote: not accepted but rather shall we say sought after a few of the guys have proposed Marriage to me Is this fool real? ....as the term is understood by him, yes. Dave K8MN |
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wrote: On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:56:40 -0500, "Dee Flint" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Dee Flint wrote: When the scout earns a merit badge, it does not put him on the same level of authority and responsibility as the scout masters or leaders. That is not the intent of the merit badge. But that is not what I'm driving at. Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. That merit badge does not make him the "equal" of the adults. Indeed. Has it ever? Again you miss the concept of the Merit Badge Counselor. And you are missing my point that the Scouts is not an organization that has the young participate on an equal footing. You are the one who keeps mentioning the Merit Badge Counselor, not I. Keeps mentioning? It is the crux of my comment. That you know nothing beyond Scoutmasters and other leaders is not my fault. It has no bearing on whether or not the young scouts have equality with the adults. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE As long as you insist that the Merit Badge Counselor lords his or her knowledge and age over the child, then you must be correct. Go in peace. And if you choose to believe that the scouts and the adult leaders are interacting as equals, then go right ahead even though that is not the way they are set up. I don't beleive that, never have, see above. You refuse to become knowledgeable about another facet of scouting; the merit badge counselor. I have always been talking about the interaction of equals. You keep trying to switch it to the merit badge counselor. Noramly i would make some cuts up there but in this case I will not Leaving them alone makes the post complee in prooving Dee Flint is lying in the assertion Brain is trying to switch the subject I choose not to fall for the bait and switch. Since I've stated my point several times, I will not continue this discourse.... standard response form the elitist liars around here first lying about discoursing in the first place then ....... as I've no interest in your bait and switch tactics. then refuse to discuss at all SOP She fears learning something that might shake her faith in Hiramology. |
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