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N9OGL

December 16th 05 07:48 PM

FCC rules need to be changed

The Federal Communication Commissions (FCC) needs to changed the
amateur radio rules to allow a more flexable in regards to allow
amateurs the
ability to experiment, and remove rules that are outdated.

Rules that need to be changed

__________________________________________________ _______________________

§97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

(a) No amateur station shall transmit:

(5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be
furnished alternatively through other radio services.

__________________________________________________ _______________________

§97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

(a) No amateur station shall transmit:

messages in codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning thereof,
except as therwise provided herein;

__________________________________________________ _______________________

Todd N9OGL

[email protected]

December 16th 05 10:01 PM

FCC rules need to be changed

One that should be changed is the one that allows dumbasses like you to
get their license in the first place, Toad.

N9OGL

December 16th 05 11:16 PM

FCC rules need to be changed

In article . com,
wrote:

One that should be changed is the one that allows dumbasses like you to
get their license in the first place, Toad.

Then what's your ****ing excuse???
Todd N9OGL

cmdr buzz corey

December 16th 05 11:30 PM

FCC rules need to be changed

N9OGL wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:

One that should be changed is the one that allows dumbasses like you to
get their license in the first place, Toad.

Then what's your ****ing excuse???
Todd N9OGL

Good shot!!

Lloyd II

December 17th 05 02:06 AM

FCC rules need to be changed

"cmdr buzz corey" wrote in message
ups.com...

N9OGL wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:

One that should be changed is the one that allows dumbasses like you to
get their license in the first place, Toad.

Then what's your ****ing excuse???
Todd N9OGL

Good shot!!

Good for you, Toad. I wanna hear Roger's answer to that one.

Iitoi

December 17th 05 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N9OGL

Why do those rules diminish your ability to "experiment"?

Do you want to send pornographic cartoons to other sicko's like yourself, enciphering them so you won't get caught?

[email protected]

December 17th 05 02:33 AM

FCC rules need to be changed

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:16:17 -0600, (N9OGL)
wrote:

In article . com,
wrote:

One that should be changed is the one that allows dumbasses like you to
get their license in the first place, Toad.

Then what's your ****ing excuse???

he doesn't have a license perhaps?

Mr Slit posts do suggest he is likely unable to pass the test
Todd N9OGL

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N9OGL

December 17th 05 05:17 AM

FCC rules need to be changed

Do you want to send pornographic cartoons to other sicko's like
yourself, enciphering them so you won't get caught?

Why you want some?? you sure like to visit my BBS alot.

§97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
(5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be
furnished alternatively through other radio services.

This rule here is outdated because technology has come so far that
anything an amatuer station can do can be done through other service.

§97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

(a) No amateur station shall transmit:

messages in codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning thereof,
except as therwise provided herein;

Although obscuring the mean isn't real a good idea in this day and age,
code and cipher can have some value including allowing multiply persons
on the same frequency at the same time, allowing for what band space we
have become a little larger through encryption. Example like short
spacing repeaters, and allowing multi-repeaters on the same frequency
in the same town, just to name one

Todd N9OGL

[email protected]

December 17th 05 07:15 AM

FCC rules need to be changed

N9OGL wrote:
Do you want to send pornographic cartoons to other sicko's like
yourself, enciphering them so you won't get caught?

Why you want some?? you sure like to visit my BBS alot.

?97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
(5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be
furnished alternatively through other radio services.

This rule here is outdated because technology has come so far that
anything an amatuer station can do can be done through other service.

What sort of legitimate communications would amatuers be doing "on a
regular basis"?

?97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

(a) No amateur station shall transmit:

messages in codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning thereof,
except as therwise provided herein;

Although obscuring the mean isn't real a good idea in this day and age,
code and cipher can have some value including allowing multiply persons
on the same frequency at the same time, allowing for what band space we
have become a little larger through encryption. Example like short
spacing repeaters, and allowing multi-repeaters on the same frequency
in the same town, just to name one

Todd N9OGL

Encryption doesn't by it's nature enable frequency multiplexing;
that's something else entirely.

Spread spectrum allows multiple people on the same frequency at the
same (by human senses) time, and is legal.

--
Jim Pennino

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N9OGL

December 17th 05 10:55 AM

FCC rules need to be changed

What sort of legitimate communications would amateurs be doing "on a
regular basis"?

Really, any radio communication an amateur radio operator does can be
done just as well through other communication services. The one main
problem with amateur's is that they would rather debate the code/nocode
issue instead of making advancements the art of radio. In the 80's if
you wanted to talk over the world there was three way of doing it,
regular mail, the telephone, and ham radio (the first two you pretty
well had the know the person or a member of a pen-pal club). ham radio
was the main means to communicating all over the world. Then suddenly,
out of the blue technology oversteps amateur radio and now all a person
has to do is get on the internet and chat. the only true thing amateur
radio is good for now is emergency communications and that's about it.
Amateur's have not done anything to advance the radio art.
97.113(a)(5) was writing to protect the other radio service who
apparently felt threaten when that rule was written (which was a long
time ago) by amateur radio operators. (Amateur's at one time competed
with the commercial radio service and military) what I believe the FCC
should do is ever two to three years go over the amateur radio rules
and ask themselves do this rules need to be updated to keep up with
technology? Some of these rules have been in place since the 1930's and
haven't been changed one bit.

Encryption doesn't by it's nature enable frequency multiplexing;
that's something else entirely.

Somewhat true

Spread spectrum allows multiple people on the same frequency at the
same (by human senses) time, and is legal

The problem with Spread Spectrum is that although it is legal in the
amateur radio bands it is still tightly regulated, for example Spread
Spectrum is only allowed on 70 cm or higher, and is limited by power
and limited on system (ie there is I believe three forms of spread
spectrum and amateurs many only operate two of them because third one
violates the FCC rules as written) and the FCC is under the belief that
ALL RADIO SIGNAL cross the state line and travel into foreign
countries. As I stated although it is Legal, it very limited due to
rules and regulations as written.

Todd N9OGL

Dave Heil

December 18th 05 09:55 PM

FCC rules need to be changed

N9OGL wrote:
The Federal Communication Commissions (FCC) needs to changed the
amateur radio rules to allow a more flexable in regards to allow
amateurs the
ability to experiment, and remove rules that are outdated.

Rules that need to be changed

__________________________________________________ _______________________

§97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

(a) No amateur station shall transmit:

(5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be
furnished alternatively through other radio services.

__________________________________________________ _______________________

There is no indication from you as to why this rule is "outdated". Why
would anyone want to change this regulation?

§97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

(a) No amateur station shall transmit:

messages in codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning thereof,
except as therwise provided herein;

__________________________________________________ _______________________

There is no indication from you as to why this rule is "outdated". Why
would anyone want to change this regulation?

Dave K8MN

N9OGL

December 18th 05 10:47 PM

FCC rules need to be changed

There is no indication from you as to why this rule is "outdated". Why
would anyone want to change this regulation?
Dave K8MN

Because although code and cipher can be used to obscure the meaning,
they can also be used for practical purposes which are not yet
investigated. The rule was created back in the 30's for the simply
reason, which holds today, the goverment view is that although amatuer
help with emergency communication amateur's can't be trusted. Amatuer's
since the very beginning were seen as a threat to national sercuity.
The rule was created to keep "spys" and other foreign govenmental
agencies from using ham radio as a tool to sent classified information
from here back to their native land. I mean what other purpose who this
rule be in place but because of that fact. Now what changes would I
make to this rule?? well I would leave the rule as is however I would
have the rule in manner point to 97.309 (b). 97.309(b) is the rule that
states amateur can use unspecified codes provided they are not used to
obscure the meaning. The problem I'm having is amateur operators who
only look at 97.113(a)(4) and don't look at 97.309(b) and are under the
impression that coding is not allowed.

Todd N9OGL

Phil Kane

December 19th 05 05:59 AM

FCC rules need to be changed

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:55:06 GMT, Dave Heil wrote:

There is no indication from you as to why this rule is "outdated". Why
would anyone want to change this regulation?

Both of these restrictions are in conformance with the provisions of
the International Radio Regulations to which the US is a signatory.

That's what sets the Amateur Radio Service apart fron other
services. Without them, there would be no amateur service...the
commercial radio folks would make sure of that.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

[email protected]

December 19th 05 02:41 PM

FCC rules need to be changed

N9OGL wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:

One that should be changed is the one that allows dumbasses like you to
get their license in the first place, Toad.

Then sniveling **** Toad's excuse

Thanks for proving my point, Toad.

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December 19th 05 02:41 PM

FCC rules need to be changed