Scattered around several other threads there have been several
dialogs as to how many licenses the USA should have for
amateur radio.

The options suggested so far seem to be:

(a) 1 License
(b) 1 License plus a "lerner's license"
(c) 2 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"
(d) 3 Licenses
(e) 3 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"

What I wonder about these is how the individual
proponents of each would set the "difficulty
level" of each in comparison to current Tech/Gen/Extra
AND how they see privilege differences (in terms
of power levels and/or band segments and modes)
in multiple license options.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:58:23 GMT, "Bill Sohl"
wrote:

Scattered around several other threads there have been several
dialogs as to how many licenses the USA should have for
amateur radio.

The options suggested so far seem to be:

(a) 1 License
(b) 1 License plus a "lerner's license"

i go for choice a or b
(c) 2 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"
(d) 3 Licenses
(e) 3 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"

What I wonder about these is how the individual
proponents of each would set the "difficulty
level" of each in comparison to current Tech/Gen/Extra
AND how they see privilege differences (in terms
of power levels and/or band segments and modes)
in multiple license options.

I see no merit in power limits unless the point is to drop some sorts
of questions out the learner license pool to keep it smaller

but the difficulty of the main test should be enough to be roughly
famier what what is need for safe operation without undue accidnetal
interference

I aleraner liecen priveldge simlar to the old noivce adding 2 m and 6m
(no p[ower limits except preahps as above hf access bas before with
voice mode premitted (by either sliding the sgement up into voice or
sliding voice down to old novice bands both have merit both have
problems)

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK


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Bill Sohl wrote:
Scattered around several other threads there have been several
dialogs as to how many licenses the USA should have for
amateur radio.

The options suggested so far seem to be:

(a) 1 License
(b) 1 License plus a "lerner's license"
(c) 2 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"
(d) 3 Licenses
(e) 3 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"

What I wonder about these is how the individual
proponents of each would set the "difficulty
level" of each in comparison to current Tech/Gen/Extra
AND how they see privilege differences (in terms
of power levels and/or band segments and modes)
in multiple license options.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK


(b) one license, one learner's permit.

License exam at the present General exam level, Called Amateur. All
privs, 10 year renewable. Just like way back when.

Leaner's permit called Limited, nonrenewable, ever. Term is 2 years.
No grace period. If you want back in, you pass the "General" exam.

Limited to 100W ERP on HF, except 5MHz limited to 50W ERP, and 50W ERP
on VHF+.

Participation on 5MHz limited to emergency training nets and emergency
nets.

All mode privs except power, no automated or robot stations, no
repeater control.

Thanks for asking.

Bill Sohl wrote:
Scattered around several other threads there have been several
dialogs as to how many licenses the USA should have for
amateur radio.

The options suggested so far seem to be:

(a) 1 License
(b) 1 License plus a "lerner's license"
(c) 2 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"
(d) 3 Licenses
(e) 3 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"

What I wonder about these is how the individual
proponents of each would set the "difficulty
level" of each in comparison to current Tech/Gen/Extra
AND how they see privilege differences (in terms
of power levels and/or band segments and modes)
in multiple license options.

That's just the beginning, Bill.

The devil is in the details, limited by what FCC
has written in various NPRMs and R&Os:

- No existing licensee should lose privileges
- No existing licensee should gain privileges without taking the
required tests
- No free upgrades
- No significant extra admin work for FCC
- FCC sees the optimum level as 3 license classes, none of which
have a limited term and all of which are renewable.

How does any proposed system handle all these requirements?
How do we convince FCC to accept the changes?

Those are the tough ones!

K0HB's proposed 2 class system addresses all these issues. But FCC
denied his ideas.

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:
Bill Sohl wrote:
Scattered around several other threads there have been several
dialogs as to how many licenses the USA should have for
amateur radio.

The options suggested so far seem to be:

(a) 1 License
(b) 1 License plus a "lerner's license"
(c) 2 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"
(d) 3 Licenses
(e) 3 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"

What I wonder about these is how the individual
proponents of each would set the "difficulty
level" of each in comparison to current Tech/Gen/Extra
AND how they see privilege differences (in terms
of power levels and/or band segments and modes)
in multiple license options.

That's just the beginning, Bill.

The devil is in the details, limited by what FCC
has written in various NPRMs and R&Os:

Time for the FCC to get real.

wrote:
Bill Sohl wrote:
Scattered around several other threads there have been several
dialogs as to how many licenses the USA should have for
amateur radio.

The options suggested so far seem to be:

(a) 1 License
(b) 1 License plus a "lerner's license"
(c) 2 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"
(d) 3 Licenses
(e) 3 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"

What I wonder about these is how the individual
proponents of each would set the "difficulty
level" of each in comparison to current Tech/Gen/Extra
AND how they see privilege differences (in terms
of power levels and/or band segments and modes)
in multiple license options.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK


(b) one license, one learner's permit.

License exam at the present General exam level, Called Amateur. All
privs, 10 year renewable. Just like way back when.

Leaner's permit called Limited, nonrenewable, ever. Term is 2 years.
No grace period. If you want back in, you pass the "General" exam.

Limited to 100W ERP on HF, except 5MHz limited to 50W ERP, and 50W ERP
on VHF+.

why any power limits? has anyone realy hurt themseles on high power as
newbiee ham in recent year or harmed anyone else with it?

just curious

Participation on 5MHz limited to emergency training nets and emergency
nets.

All mode privs except power, no automated or robot stations, no
repeater control.

Thanks for asking.

an_old_friend wrote:
wrote:
Bill Sohl wrote:
Scattered around several other threads there have been several
dialogs as to how many licenses the USA should have for
amateur radio.

The options suggested so far seem to be:

(a) 1 License
(b) 1 License plus a "lerner's license"
(c) 2 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"
(d) 3 Licenses
(e) 3 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"

What I wonder about these is how the individual
proponents of each would set the "difficulty
level" of each in comparison to current Tech/Gen/Extra
AND how they see privilege differences (in terms
of power levels and/or band segments and modes)
in multiple license options.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK


(b) one license, one learner's permit.

License exam at the present General exam level, Called Amateur. All
privs, 10 year renewable. Just like way back when.

Leaner's permit called Limited, nonrenewable, ever. Term is 2 years.
No grace period. If you want back in, you pass the "General" exam.

Limited to 100W ERP on HF, except 5MHz limited to 50W ERP, and 50W ERP
on VHF+.

why any power limits? has anyone realy hurt themseles on high power as
newbiee ham in recent year or harmed anyone else with it?

just curious

For the learner's permit? To simplify the body of knowledge for
operating and for the exams, and for operational safety. Harm is not
always immediately apparent and may take years of exposure to show
itself. The lower power limits allow the learner to forego the
environmental assessment and still operate a station safely.

If there is no real distinction between the "Limited" and the "Amateur"
licenses, then I sugest we drop the Limited and keep only the Amateur
at the General knowledge level.

Participation on 5MHz limited to emergency training nets and emergency
nets.

All mode privs except power, no automated or robot stations, no
repeater control.

Thanks for asking.

On 27 Dec 2005 15:45:54 -0800, wrote in
. com:

Bill Sohl wrote:
Scattered around several other threads there have been several
dialogs as to how many licenses the USA should have for
amateur radio.

The options suggested so far seem to be:

(a) 1 License
(b) 1 License plus a "lerner's license"
(c) 2 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"
(d) 3 Licenses
(e) 3 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"

What I wonder about these is how the individual
proponents of each would set the "difficulty
level" of each in comparison to current Tech/Gen/Extra
AND how they see privilege differences (in terms
of power levels and/or band segments and modes)
in multiple license options.

That's just the beginning, Bill.

The devil is in the details, limited by what FCC
has written in various NPRMs and R&Os:

- No existing licensee should lose privileges
- No existing licensee should gain privileges without taking the
required tests
- No free upgrades


One license. Existing licenses would be valid until expiration with no
renewals -- they would need to pass the single-license test if they
want to continue.


- No significant extra admin work for FCC


A single license would -reduce- the FCC's workload by mere
simplification.


- FCC sees the optimum level as 3 license classes, none of which
have a limited term and all of which are renewable.


The FCC has changed it's opinion on that subject several times. IIRC,
there were once six different license classes (please correct me if
I'm wrong).


How does any proposed system handle all these requirements?


It ain't rocket surgery.


How do we convince FCC to accept the changes?


Boycott the ARRL?








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Bill Sohl wrote:
Scattered around several other threads there have been several
dialogs as to how many licenses the USA should have for
amateur radio.

The options suggested so far seem to be:

(a) 1 License
(b) 1 License plus a "lerner's license"
(c) 2 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"
(d) 3 Licenses
(e) 3 Licenses plus a "lerner's license"

What I wonder about these is how the individual
proponents of each would set the "difficulty
level" of each in comparison to current Tech/Gen/Extra
AND how they see privilege differences (in terms
of power levels and/or band segments and modes)
in multiple license options.

That's just the beginning, Bill.

The devil is in the details, limited by what FCC
has written in various NPRMs and R&Os:
- No existing licensee should lose privileges
- No existing licensee should gain privileges without taking
the required tests
- No free upgrades
- No significant extra admin work for FCC
- FCC sees the optimum level as 3 license classes, none of
which have a limited term and all of which are renewable.

None of the above is defined by any FCC rules. At the
moment there are 3 licenses being issued, but even that
can be changed as the FCC is not locked into their
past decisions because of prior comment in any NPRM
and/or R&O.

How does any proposed system handle all these requirements?

It doesn't, nor does it have to. It becomes an issue of
making athe case for whatever is being proposed. Clearly
the ARRL still believes and appears to be still supportive
of an entry level (learner's permit) despite what the FCC
may have already said.

How do we convince FCC to accept the changes?

By making clear and rational arguments and reasons for
whatever the proposed system may be.

Those are the tough ones!

K0HB's proposed 2 class system addresses all these issues.
But FCC denied his ideas.

FCC originally didn't buy a nocode Tech at some time
in the past but eventually changed its mind. FCC also
left 13wpm and 20wpm as requirements for many years
with the lack of change/elimination of said 13/20 wpm
elements supposedly waiting for a "consensus" in the
amateur ranks. In spite of the lack of any consensus on
code the FCC did, in fact, end 13/20wpm test elements
in April 2000 based on arguments and the FCC's own
conclusions at that time.

Bottom line, every statement or opinion offered by the FCC
in any NPRM and/or R&O is not cast in stone and can
end up being revisited and changed at a later review.

So Jim, with that in mind, what is your specific proposal?

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

wrote


License exam at the present General exam level, Called Amateur. All
privs, 10 year renewable. Just like way back when.


There currently are 5 grades of "General". Which do you mean?

One-Star General - Post 1987 Technician given a complimentary
field promotion to General

Two-Star General - Previous Conditional given humanitarian
promotion to General

Three-Star General - Pre 1987 Technician given posthumous
promotion to General

Four-Star General - General who took an actual General
examination in modern times at a VE session

Five-Star General - General who took an actual General
examination in front of a steely eyed FCC official in a noisy
drafty government office in downtown Fargo and had to walk uphill
(both ways) through 10-foot snowdrifts on Good Friday 1954.

73, de Hans, K0HB