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Greetings All,
Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
On 28 Jan 2006 06:12:03 -0800, K4YZ wrote:
Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? Actually, you don't need crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? Why bother with old fashioned radio equipment when ISS is regularly on both Echolink and IRLP? While it's true that anyone with a 2M HT pretty much has all the equipment needed for an on-the-air contact, the time and footprint restrictions are too severe to make that a mode which is even practical for more than one trial contact. Tried it once and didn't particularly like it (144.49 MHz / 145.80 MHz). Nope, I say the VoIP Echolink or IRLP method is much more reliable. See http://www.rac.ca/ariss/oindex.htm for info on Echolink conference schedules. Apparently, the astronauts haven't gotten the message yet that "Echolink isn't real ham radio." |
Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
On 28 Jan 2006 06:12:03 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? My opinion is machine is illegal becaues it not in US territory when retransmit. Use it and you just the same as using pirate offshore station and FCC should fine you. But FCC owned by pepole like Don Clancy and so look other way. That why I hate FCC so come my blog to see more. |
Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? yes Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? yes Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? no now thatI have answer 3 of yours ahow about one of mine what has the ISS to do with Policy issues? anything? 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 06:12:03 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? Actually, you don't need crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. Actually you do when the input is on 70 centimeters and the output is on 2 meters. That's what "crossband" means. Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? Why bother with old fashioned radio equipment when ISS is regularly on both Echolink and IRLP? Becasue I LIKE "old fashioned radio equipment". I like Amateur Radio because I LIKE radios. Anyone can turn the computer on and "chat" with someone on the far side of the planet. It takes a bit of skill to do it without wires. While it's true that anyone with a 2M HT pretty much has all the equipment needed for an on-the-air contact, the time and footprint restrictions are too severe to make that a mode which is even practical for more than one trial contact. Tried it once and didn't particularly like it (144.49 MHz / 145.80 MHz). I've worked MIR twice on that pair and had a blast. I guess it's easy to "not like" if you don't have the requisite skills or capable staion to do it with. Nope, I say the VoIP Echolink or IRLP method is much more reliable. Perhaps it is. And if that's what spins your propeller, mor power to you. But making a "contact" via Echolink is no more challenging that turning the light on when you enter a room. See http://www.rac.ca/ariss/oindex.htm for info on Echolink conference schedules. Apparently, the astronauts haven't gotten the message yet that "Echolink isn't real ham radio." Some can say that about FM, or SSB, or CW, or any other mode. However anyone can turn the computer on and work Echolink. There's no skill in that. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? yes Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? yes Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? no now thatI have answer 3 of yours ahow about one of mine what has the ISS to do with Policy issues? It has to do with "policy" issues if it means getting RRAP'ers to talk on the same frequency at the same time. anything? What does your question have to do with the first three? Anything? Or just can't stand seeing me talk about something OTHER than you, eh? Steve, K4YZ |
steve trun his OWN thread into an attack thread
On 28 Jan 2006 20:20:09 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? yes Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? yes Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? no now thatI have answer 3 of yours ahow about one of mine what has the ISS to do with Policy issues? It has to do with "policy" issues if it means getting RRAP'ers to talk on the same frequency at the same time. thin at best esp as I would not choose to be to be on the same freq as you on any band at any time anything? What does your question have to do with the first three? why did it have to? but I questioned as s my rightthe relavance of the post Anything? everything Or just can't stand seeing me talk about something OTHER than you, eh? nope I was curious something you discourage Steve, K4YZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
steve conites to use his thread for attack
On 28 Jan 2006 22:03:17 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 20:20:09 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote: nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? yes Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? yes Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? no now thatI have answer 3 of yours ahow about one of mine what has the ISS to do with Policy issues? It has to do with "policy" issues if it means getting RRAP'ers to talk on the same frequency at the same time. thin at best esp as I would not choose to be to be on the same freq as you on any band at any time Too bad for you then, Markie. you must be delsuional to think I would want to talk to you, bad enough dealing with you on RRap but you avoid the issue of course anything? What does your question have to do with the first three? why did it have to? It didn't then why did you ask that question . But then THERE is where the "attack" you suggest comes from...YOU! no attack existed except in the mind of the oaranoid and micron thin skin felow I am repling too indeed you are the most paranoid fellow I have ever seen any question is an attack but I questioned as s my rightthe relavance of the post It's not your's to question. yes it my place or anyone else that chooses Unless, of course, I missed the part where a "moderator" was established for the NG? I and anyone may question why something is posted Anything? everything Or just can't stand seeing me talk about something OTHER than you, eh? nope I was curious something you discourage Uhhhhhhhhhhh.....The whole THREAD was about being "curious", Markie. another the thread was about you indulging yours, no one is ever allowed to be curious as you replies prove Thanks for once again demonstrating your ignorance on such a grand scale. what ignorance? I certainly know what you up to more diversion from your misdeeds Steve, K4YZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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nope I was curious something you discourage Uhhhhhhhhhhh.....The whole THREAD was about being "curious", Markie. Thanks for once again demonstrating your ignorance on such a grand scale. Steve, K4YZ .......... Mark does demonstrate a certain amount of ignorance. This is cureable, though the enormous extent of Mark's immense stupidity will be forever so. |
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Gonzo wrote: nope I was curious something you discourage Uhhhhhhhhhhh.....The whole THREAD was about being "curious", Markie. Thanks for once again demonstrating your ignorance on such a grand scale. Steve, K4YZ ......... Mark does demonstrate a certain amount of ignorance. where? by simply not agreeing with you the email you choose for this Gonzo is right on the mark though trash talker This is cureable, though the enormous extent of Mark's immense stupidity will be forever so. nothing but trash talk in your short career |
Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
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On 28 Jan 2006 22:03:17 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote: wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 20:20:09 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote: nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? yes Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? yes Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? no now thatI have answer 3 of yours ahow about one of mine what has the ISS to do with Policy issues? It has to do with "policy" issues if it means getting RRAP'ers to talk on the same frequency at the same time. thin at best esp as I would not choose to be to be on the same freq as you on any band at any time Too bad for you then, Markie. you must be delsuional to think I would want to talk to you, bad enough dealing with you on RRap I seriously doubt we'd ever be able to carry on a QSO regardless, Markie... I speak English fluently and some conversational German and Spanish. You speak jibberish. Your "writing" on RRAP, where you have the opportunity to proofread your content before sending it, is horriffic. I can only imagine what it would be like on any of the realtime keyboard modes. You're devoid of CW skill. Therefore it's a foregone conclusion that we'll ever have a "QSO" on the Amateur Bands in ANY mode, let alone via the ISS crossband repeater. but you avoid the issue of course Acutally, Markie, YOU are the one on a divergent topic. I was talking about ISS on Amateur Radio. You pulled it into yet another trash thread as evidenced by your retasking of the subject line to something other than the original topic. anything? What does your question have to do with the first three? why did it have to? It didn't then why did you ask that question I don't believe that it's any of your business, Markie. . But then THERE is where the "attack" you suggest comes from...YOU! no attack existed except in the mind of the oaranoid and micron thin skin felow I am repling too You're repling too? Did you repling also? What's "repling"...?!?! "oaranoid?" Someone who doesn't like using manual propulsion in a bass boat? indeed you are the most paranoid fellow I have ever seen Perhaps. But your a perverted liar. Between the two, I'll take paranoia. any question is an attack More random words in search of order, Markie. Try again. but I questioned as s my rightthe relavance of the post It's not your's to question. yes it my place or anyone else that chooses Not unless you care to state now for the record that you have assumed moderatorship for RRAP, Markie. Unless, of course, I missed the part where a "moderator" was established for the NG? I and anyone may question why something is posted You may "question" anything you want. However you're not entitled to an answer, mandatory or otherwise. Anything? everything Or just can't stand seeing me talk about something OTHER than you, eh? nope I was curious something you discourage Uhhhhhhhhhhh.....The whole THREAD was about being "curious", Markie. another the thread was about you indulging yours, no one is ever allowed to be curious as you replies prove E N G L I S H, Markie... Thanks for once again demonstrating your ignorance on such a grand scale. what ignorance? Yours. In spades. I certainly know what you up to No you don't. more diversion from your misdeeds The diversion here is yours, Your Punkiness. I asked a legitimate question about an Amateur Radio related event. You pulled it into yet another slimefest in only 1 set of exchanges. Steve, K4YZ |
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I don't use aioe.org, nice try.....go back NIM BUSTERS with all the
other fascist scumbags on there! Todd N9OGL N.I.M. BUSTERS SUCKS!!!!! http://12.156.123.39/nimsucks/index.php |
contiuing attacks from steve but he complets a cucle proving him a liar
On 29 Jan 2006 02:01:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 22:03:17 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote: wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 20:20:09 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote: nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? yes Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? yes Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? no now thatI have answer 3 of yours ahow about one of mine what has the ISS to do with Policy issues? It has to do with "policy" issues if it means getting RRAP'ers to talk on the same frequency at the same time. thin at best esp as I would not choose to be to be on the same freq as you on any band at any time Too bad for you then, Markie. you must be delsuional to think I would want to talk to you, bad enough dealing with you on RRap I seriously doubt we'd ever be able to carry on a QSO regardless, Markie... avoiding the issue I see I speak English fluently and some conversational German and Spanish. You speak jibberish. you know this How? as far as I know you have never heard me speak Your "writing" on RRAP, where you have the opportunity to proofread your content before sending it, is horriffic. so? what has this got to do with my speaking? I can only imagine what it would be like on any of the realtime keyboard modes. gee nobody has any real problem figuring out what i mean You're devoid of CW skill. this says somethign abotu my speaking abilty I wish you had made this post when Cw testing was still the issue Therefore it's a foregone conclusion that we'll ever have a "QSO" on the Amateur Bands in ANY mode, let alone via the ISS crossband repeater. it is foregone becuase I would hear your call and brak off the contact but you avoid the issue of course Acutally, Markie, YOU are the one on a divergent topic. I was talking about ISS on Amateur Radio. you tuerned it into another antimark attack thread becuase I dared ask what the ISS ars system had to do with RRAP You pulled it into yet another trash thread as evidenced by your retasking of the subject line to something other than the original topic. no I simply retetled the thread to reflect what you turned it into anything? What does your question have to do with the first three? why did it have to? It didn't then why did you ask that question I don't believe that it's any of your business, Markie. i disgree it became my busness when you choose to turn this into another antimark attack thread . But then THERE is where the "attack" you suggest comes from...YOU! no attack existed except in the mind of the oaranoid and micron thin skin felow I am repling too You're repling too? Did you repling also? What's "repling"...?!?! "oaranoid?" Someone who doesn't like using manual propulsion in a bass boat? indeed you are the most paranoid fellow I have ever seen Perhaps. But your a perverted liar. Between the two, I'll take paranoia. any question is an attack More random words in search of order, Markie. Try again. but I questioned as s my rightthe relavance of the post It's not your's to question. yes it my place or anyone else that chooses Not unless you care to state now for the record that you have assumed moderatorship for RRAP, Markie. again you deny that I have the same rights you do Robeson i don't have to be the moderator to ask a question or comment on a post you or anybody else makes on RRAP Unless, of course, I missed the part where a "moderator" was established for the NG? I and anyone may question why something is posted You may "question" anything you want. then you lied a few line up you sted " Not unless you care to state now for the record that you have assumed moderatorship for RRAP, Markie." in response to "yes it my place or anyone else that chooses" which was my response to"It's not your's to question." indeed you just made the stament "It's not your's to question." a lie unles you were lying just now when you typed "You may "question" anything you want." you have said in one thread that I am allowed to A and not allowed A which ever stament is not true one of them is a lie and therfore you are a Liar However you're not entitled to an answer, mandatory or otherwise. I never said I was you OTOH have insited that you are entitled to answer and therfore I belocome etitled to answer from YOU or to call you on it when you refuse to meet your won standard Anything? everything Or just can't stand seeing me talk about something OTHER than you, eh? nope I was curious something you discourage Uhhhhhhhhhhh.....The whole THREAD was about being "curious", Markie. another the thread was about you indulging yours, no one is ever allowed to be curious as you replies prove E N G L I S H, Markie... it is Thanks for once again demonstrating your ignorance on such a grand scale. what ignorance? Yours. In spades. I certainly know what you up to No you don't. sure do it is obvious more diversion from your misdeeds The diversion here is yours, Your Punkiness. more name calling I asked a legitimate question about an Amateur Radio related event. and I asked what it had to do with policy You pulled it into yet another slimefest in only 1 set of exchanges. and therfore you claim despite saying I may ask question that I may not ask any Steve, K4YZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On 28 Jan 2006 20:16:11 -0800, K4YZ wrote:
Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 06:12:03 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? Actually, you don't need crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. Actually you do when the input is on 70 centimeters and the output is on 2 meters. That's what "crossband" means. Actually, I stand by my original statement: You don't NEED crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. I've worked MIR twice on that pair and had a blast. I guess it's easy to "not like" if you don't have the requisite skills or capable staion to do it with. I made contacts through AMSAT way back in the early 70's when the OSCAR series of the 60's was being continued. It boiled down to being a novelty activity for hams, but one which only imitated what communications engineers and other professionals had pioneered long before hams used a satellite. In fact, most OSCAR satellites were stuffed into the unused space in government launch vehicles and were essentially CARE packages from those who were doing the real pioneering work. Nope, I say the VoIP Echolink or IRLP method is much more reliable. Perhaps it is. And if that's what spins your propeller, mor power to you. But making a "contact" via Echolink is no more challenging that turning the light on when you enter a room. I see. And I suppose that, when you decide to cross a river, you eschew the nearby bridges in favor of swimming across instead. Do you also use a horse instead of choosing to own a car? Some can say that about FM, or SSB, or CW, or any other mode. However anyone can turn the computer on and work Echolink. There's no skill in that. Anyone can turn on a transceiver and push a button. There's no real skill in that either. But there *is* skill in figuring out optimal voice sampling and compression techniques, combining them with the optimal IP protocol (UDP/IP), and then writing and installing VoIP software to accomplish that end, followed by setting up servers and repeaters to support it. In fact, I submit that the hams who embraced the Internet and developed those methods are among the most technically skilled members of the amateur community. If all you do is push a button, then you're an appliance operator in my estimation. |
Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 20:16:11 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 06:12:03 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? Actually, you don't need crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. Actually you do when the input is on 70 centimeters and the output is on 2 meters. That's what "crossband" means. Actually, I stand by my original statement: You don't NEED crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. indeed you don't and trying to use crossband capcity can in fact be harder than using 2 monoband radios I've worked MIR twice on that pair and had a blast. I guess it's easy to "not like" if you don't have the requisite skills or capable staion to do it with. I made contacts through AMSAT way back in the early 70's when the OSCAR series of the 60's was being continued. It boiled down to being a novelty activity for hams, but one which only imitated what communications engineers and other professionals had pioneered long before hams used a satellite. In fact, most OSCAR satellites were stuffed into the unused space in government launch vehicles and were essentially CARE packages from those who were doing the real pioneering work. Nope, I say the VoIP Echolink or IRLP method is much more reliable. Perhaps it is. And if that's what spins your propeller, mor power to you. But making a "contact" via Echolink is no more challenging that turning the light on when you enter a room. I see. bear in mind Steve one of the folks claiming how awful it will to end CW testing Steve is of the S&M school of licensing claiming we must suffer to get our licenses And I suppose that, when you decide to cross a river, you eschew the nearby bridges in favor of swimming across instead. Do you also use a horse instead of choosing to own a car? Some can say that about FM, or SSB, or CW, or any other mode. However anyone can turn the computer on and work Echolink. There's no skill in that. Anyone can turn on a transceiver and push a button. There's no real skill in that either. But there *is* skill in figuring out optimal voice sampling and compression techniques, combining them with the optimal IP protocol (UDP/IP), and then writing and installing VoIP software to accomplish that end, followed by setting up servers and repeaters to support it. In fact, I submit that the hams who embraced the Internet and developed those methods are among the most technically skilled members of the amateur community. he is not into tehinal skil instead on AIR S&M If all you do is push a button, then you're an appliance operator in my estimation. |
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My opinion is machine is illegal becaues it not in US territory when
retransmit. Use it and you just the same as using pirate offshore station and FCC should fine you. But FCC owned by pepole like Don Clancy and so look other way. That why I hate FCC so come my blog to see more. Not true, the station is in fact very LEGAL, I've use to work space station MIR on a handheld on 2 meters both voice and packet, I've also worked oscar 10 which was 10 meters up, 2 meters down or the other way around I forget it was long ago. Todd N9OGL |
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On 29 Jan 2006 13:01:22 -0800, "N9OGL" wrote:
My opinion is machine is illegal becaues it not in US territory when retransmit. Use it and you just the same as using pirate offshore station and FCC should fine you. But FCC owned by pepole like Don Clancy and so look other way. That why I hate FCC so come my blog to see more. Not true, the station is in fact very LEGAL, I've use to work space station MIR on a handheld on 2 meters both voice and packet, I've also worked oscar 10 which was 10 meters up, 2 meters down or the other way around I forget it was long ago. 2 up 10 down tood tech like me could use the mode Todd N9OGL _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On 29 Jan 2006 13:01:22 -0800, N9OGL wrote: My opinion is machine is illegal becaues it not in US territory when retransmit. Use it and you just the same as using pirate offshore station and FCC should fine you. But FCC owned by pepole like Don Clancy and so look other way. That why I hate FCC so come my blog to see more. Not true, the station is in fact very LEGAL, I've use to work space station MIR on a handheld on 2 meters both voice and packet, I've also worked oscar 10 which was 10 meters up, 2 meters down or the other way around I forget it was long ago. Very bad. You talking non-free world station with Russian call who not even in teritory so you violate presidental order big time. Better hope Bush and NSA not read you post or you will get in hot water. FCC has list of contries can not work legally and you violeated it most likely. |
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NO9GL wrote: On 29 Jan 2006 13:01:22 -0800, N9OGL wrote: Not true, the station is in fact very LEGAL, I've use to work space station MIR on a handheld on 2 meters both voice and packet, I've also worked oscar 10 which was 10 meters up, 2 meters down or the other way around I forget it was long ago. Very bad. You talking non-free world station with Russian call who not even in teritory so you violate presidental order big time. Better hope Bush and NSA not read you post or you will get in hot water. FCC has list of contries can not work legally and you violeated it most likely. title says it all |
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On 29 Jan 2006 14:31:50 -0800, an Old friend wrote:
NO9GL wrote: On 29 Jan 2006 13:01:22 -0800, N9OGL wrote: Not true, the station is in fact very LEGAL, I've use to work space station MIR on a handheld on 2 meters both voice and packet, I've also worked oscar 10 which was 10 meters up, 2 meters down or the other way around I forget it was long ago. Very bad. You talking non-free world station with Russian call who not even in teritory so you violate presidental order big time. Better hope Bush and NSA not read you post or you will get in hot water. FCC has list of contries can not work legally and you violeated it most likely. title says it all I guess you're nervious that you may have broken the law too, eh? Maybe you can share a cell with Todd, and it won't be so lonely in jail. |
K4YZ Advocates Interference, was: Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
K4YZ wrote: nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? yes Have any of you made contacts through it, or directly with NA1SS? yes Do any of you use NASA's www.science.nasa.gov site to determine the footprint? no now thatI have answer 3 of yours ahow about one of mine what has the ISS to do with Policy issues? It has to do with "policy" issues if it means getting RRAP'ers to talk on the same frequency at the same time. Steve, talking on the same frequency at the same time is called "interference." |
K4YZ Advocates Interference, was: Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
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Last time I check russia wasn't a communist country and under federal
and Intermational law it wasn't Illegal to talk to them. I've talked to a number russian stations. Space station MIR as well as RS-10, 11, and the others was and are under russian jurdiction, IMHO you don't know what they hell your talking about. Todd N9OGL |
Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 20:16:11 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 06:12:03 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? Actually, you don't need crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. Actually you do when the input is on 70 centimeters and the output is on 2 meters. That's what "crossband" means. Actually, I stand by my original statement: You don't NEED crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. At some place there is a receiver and a transmitter operating on different bands in order to operate the ISS crossband repeater. YOU may not have it at your "station"...However it's still required. You're simply acting as the remote operator of someone else's Amateur station. I've worked MIR twice on that pair and had a blast. I guess it's easy to "not like" if you don't have the requisite skills or capable staion to do it with. I made contacts through AMSAT way back in the early 70's when the OSCAR series of the 60's was being continued. It boiled down to being a novelty activity for hams, but one which only imitated what communications engineers and other professionals had pioneered long before hams used a satellite. In fact, most OSCAR satellites were stuffed into the unused space in government launch vehicles and were essentially CARE packages from those who were doing the real pioneering work. Which does not speak to your station NOW. Since you do not include a callsign, all I can do is "assume" that this is a bit of blustery buffoonery by Lennie the Licenseless or someone like him quoting the works of others. I see a lot of that "professional engineers are better than hams" rhetoric there. Nope, I say the VoIP Echolink or IRLP method is much more reliable. Perhaps it is. And if that's what spins your propeller, more power to you. But making a "contact" via Echolink is no more challenging that turning the light on when you enter a room. I see. And I suppose that, when you decide to cross a river, you eschew the nearby bridges in favor of swimming across instead. Do you also use a horse instead of choosing to own a car? Nope. But then neither of them is "radio". I am a licensed Amateur RADIO operator because I enjoy operating RADIOS. If I were an Olympic swimmer I just might cross that river IN it rather than over it, and if I were Amish, I'd use that horse to get around rather than a car. Some can say that about FM, or SSB, or CW, or any other mode. However anyone can turn the computer on and work Echolink. There's no skill in that. Anyone can turn on a transceiver and push a button. There's no real skill in that either. OK. Just turn on a radio and push a button. Any button. Talk to anyone without selecting the right frequency, split, mode, antenna, etc etc etc ...?!?! Or does it take a bit of knowledge and skill to get that radio working into a proper antenna, on the proper frequency to actually make that contact...?!?! Did you make your alleged OSCAR contacts by just "pushing a button", or did you have to know a bit about Kleperian tables, AOS/LOS schedules, polarization techniques, Doppler effect...?!?! But there *is* skill in figuring out optimal voice sampling and compression techniques, combining them with the optimal IP protocol (UDP/IP), and then writing and installing VoIP software to accomplish that end, followed by setting up servers and repeaters to support it. In fact, I submit that the hams who embraced the Internet and developed those methods are among the most technically skilled members of the amateur community. I submit that there is a whole flock of guys out thre who just down loaded the software and got on the computer when they were told to. I know of at least 2 or three locally who have done exactly that. If all you do is push a button, then you're an appliance operator in my estimation. Judging by the foregoing statements, I'd say you're probably not a licensed Amateur and are just pulling rabbits out of someone else's hat. And as for applicance operators, who built YOUR computer...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 20:16:11 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 06:12:03 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? Actually, you don't need crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. Actually you do when the input is on 70 centimeters and the output is on 2 meters. That's what "crossband" means. Actually, I stand by my original statement: You don't NEED crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. At some place there is a receiver and a transmitter operating on different bands in order to operate the ISS crossband repeater. whch isn't exactly the same as having croband cappicity cut Which does not speak to your station NOW. Since you do not include a callsign, all I can do is "assume" that this is a bit of blustery buffoonery by Lennie the Licenseless or someone like him quoting the works of others. I see a lot of that "professional engineers are better than hams" rhetoric there. more attack sinc he has dared to disagree with you in the slughtist cut Nope. But then neither of them is "radio". I am a licensed Amateur RADIO operator because I enjoy operating RADIOS. steping up yet again If I were an Olympic swimmer I just might cross that river IN it rather than over it, and if I were Amish, I'd use that horse to get around rather than a car. Some can say that about FM, or SSB, or CW, or any other mode. However anyone can turn the computer on and work Echolink. There's no skill in that. Anyone can turn on a transceiver and push a button. There's no real skill in that either. OK. Just turn on a radio and push a button. Any button. Talk to anyone without selecting the right frequency, split, mode, antenna, etc etc etc ...?!?! now realy going off Or does it take a bit of knowledge and skill to get that radio working into a proper antenna, on the proper frequency to actually make that contact...?!?! Did you make your alleged OSCAR contacts by just "pushing a button", or did you have to know a bit about Kleperian tables, AOS/LOS schedules, polarization techniques, Doppler effect...?!?! cut I submit that there is a whole flock of guys out thre who just down loaded the software and got on the computer when they were told to. I know of at least 2 or three locally who have done exactly that. sonituing to escalte If all you do is push a button, then you're an appliance operator in my estimation. Judging by the foregoing statements, I'd say you're probably not a licensed Amateur and are just pulling rabbits out of someone else's hat. And as for applicance operators, who built YOUR computer...?!?! more of Steves miciron thin skin at work an interesting case study this one s i t shows Steve acting with out any past hsitory with the guy and he chooses to fight Steve, K4YZ |
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nobodys_old_friend wrote:
" attack attack attack fight" Gee, Markie, YOU are the one who's changed the subject line of this thread THREE TIMES into "attack" subjects...The most current past one being proof. K4YZ wrote: Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 20:16:11 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 06:12:03 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? Actually, you don't need crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. Actually you do when the input is on 70 centimeters and the output is on 2 meters. That's what "crossband" means. Actually, I stand by my original statement: You don't NEED crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. At some place there is a receiver and a transmitter operating on different bands in order to operate the ISS crossband repeater. whch isn't exactly the same as having croband cappicity Sure it is. At some point in time there HAS to be a crossband operating Amateur Radio station to make this work. The ISS repeater is listening on 70 centimeters. It's retransmitting on 2 meters. THAT is crossband operation. SOMEone had to take the time to set up the gear, put the antennas up, etc etc etc to make it work. There are terrestrial Amateur RADIO stations that are operating in that configuration. cut Which does not speak to your station NOW. Since you do not include a callsign, all I can do is "assume" that this is a bit of blustery buffoonery by Lennie the Licenseless or someone like him quoting the works of others. I see a lot of that "professional engineers are better than hams" rhetoric there. more attack sinc he has dared to disagree with you in the slughtist The "slughtist"...?!?!? More made up words, Markie. GET A DICTIONARY! And as for the "disagreeing", I wasn't the one who initiated that exchange. All I wanted to know was who in our "circle" were set up to work ISS. cut Nope. But then neither of them is "radio". I am a licensed Amateur RADIO operator because I enjoy operating RADIOS. steping up yet again How's that? Since you snipped the relevent parts of the paragraphs, all is left is something for you to try and snipe at. Didn't work. If I were an Olympic swimmer I just might cross that river IN it rather than over it, and if I were Amish, I'd use that horse to get around rather than a car. Some can say that about FM, or SSB, or CW, or any other mode. However anyone can turn the computer on and work Echolink. There's no skill in that. Anyone can turn on a transceiver and push a button. There's no real skill in that either. OK. Just turn on a radio and push a button. Any button. Talk to anyone without selecting the right frequency, split, mode, antenna, etc etc etc ...?!?! now realy going off I am sure you are, Markie. Prove any of my statements inaccurate... "Larry" is the one who made some silly comments about just "push(ing) a button"...Not me. Or does it take a bit of knowledge and skill to get that radio working into a proper antenna, on the proper frequency to actually make that contact...?!?! Did you make your alleged OSCAR contacts by just "pushing a button", or did you have to know a bit about Kleperian tables, AOS/LOS schedules, polarization techniques, Doppler effect...?!?! cut I submit that there is a whole flock of guys out thre who just down loaded the software and got on the computer when they were told to. I know of at least 2 or three locally who have done exactly that. sonituing to escalte WHAT...?!?! What's "sonituing"...?!?!? "Escalte"...?!?!? Isn't that a new model of Cadillac? And Markie...Prove any of the foregoing paragraph wrong. Do YOU know what it takes to work through ISS? Can you access the satellites? Did you ever get a QSL card from MIR, even for an SWL logging? If all you do is push a button, then you're an appliance operator in my estimation. Judging by the foregoing statements, I'd say you're probably not a licensed Amateur and are just pulling rabbits out of someone else's hat. And as for applicance operators, who built YOUR computer...?!?! more of Steves miciron thin skin at work "Miciron"... I think that was a "planet" in an episode ot ST:TNG an interesting case study this one s i t shows Steve acting with out any past hsitory with the guy and he chooses to fight No fight, Markie. Someone without the cajones to identify him/herself throws in some slap-in-the-face comments to a straight forward, no "insults" post. I appreciate that some people like using VoIP over real radios. I've never once said "that's not real Ham Radio". However "Larry" here wanted to dig in and try to impress us with how "modern" his way is over direct contact communication with the ISS via Amateur Radio. That's MY prefered way of communicating, and if he cares to have his preferences respected, he didn't need to dive in like he did. And in the long run, "my" way still requires a bit more skill and technique than Larry putting a sound card in his pooter. His comments have Lennism written all over them. That's not to say that Lennie wrote them, it's just the same "ideal". That YOU were so quick to jump in and "defend" them only reinforces that concept. Steve, K4YZ |
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Larry wrote: On 29 Jan 2006 20:42:04 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 20:16:11 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Larry wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 06:12:03 -0800, K4YZ wrote: Greetings All, Are any of you equipped to work the ISS crossband repeater? Actually, you don't need crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. Actually you do when the input is on 70 centimeters and the output is on 2 meters. That's what "crossband" means. Actually, I stand by my original statement: You don't NEED crossband capability to use the ISS repeater. At some place there is a receiver and a transmitter operating on different bands in order to operate the ISS crossband repeater. From http://www.rac.ca/ariss/oindex.htm#F...ies%20in%20use -- "The following frequencies are currently used for ARISS general QSO's Voice and Packet Downlink: 145.80 (Worldwide) Voice Uplink: 144.49 for Regions 2 and 3 (The Americas, and the Pacific) Voice Uplink: 145.20 for Region 1 (Europe, Central Asia and Africa) Packet Uplink: 145.99 (Worldwide) Crossband FM repeater downlink: 145.80 MHz (Worldwide) Crossband FM repeater uplink: 437.80 MHz (Worldwide)" See the 2M uplink frequencies? That means you can stay in the 2M band if you wish, and that crossband is optional, just as I originally stated. My INITIAL question was about operating the CROSSBAND REPEATER in the first place, and nothing you have posted here changes any of that. Your "uplink" frequencies are accurate ONLY for direct voice contacts with the crew or packet uplinks to the NA1SS autobot...NOT the repeater. If you wish to work the CROSSBAND REPEATER you must have the requisite equipment (unless, of course, you're just going to use someone ELSE'S equipment by using Echolink.....But you are STILL operating CROSSBAND) Did you make your alleged OSCAR contacts by just "pushing a button", or did you have to know a bit about Kleperian tables, AOS/LOS schedules, polarization techniques, Doppler effect...?!?! Those were the days of 2M home brewers; not the repeater appliance operators who later dominated the band. I built my own transmitter and used a low noise down converter in front of a 10M receiver. By the way, those are "Keplerian" tables, and nobody in his right mind would use those things when simple-to-use orbital nomographs were readily available. My misplelling noted, however nothing is changed. But there *is* skill in figuring out optimal voice sampling and compression techniques, combining them with the optimal IP protocol (UDP/IP), and then writing and installing VoIP software to accomplish that end, followed by setting up servers and repeaters to support it. In fact, I submit that the hams who embraced the Internet and developed those methods are among the most technically skilled members of the amateur community. I submit that there is a whole flock of guys out thre who just down loaded the software and got on the computer when they were told to. I know of at least 2 or three locally who have done exactly that. If all you do is push a button, then you're an appliance operator in my estimation. Judging by the foregoing statements, I'd say you're probably not a licensed Amateur and are just pulling rabbits out of someone else's Actually, I've been licensed longer than you have, but my ego doesn't depend upon my ham license. Nor mine, however since you don't seem to have what it takes to put your name behind your words, they may as well be penned by Ton Clancy. Nor am I stupid enough to put my name or call in front of convicted felony stalkers such as W4AMP. To the best of my knowledge, he's not a resident of this group. Moreover, despite the childish whinings of KB9RQZ, there's not a person here who's been in 1 seconds worth of danger due to "stalkers". It's a lame excuse for not having any conviction. I have been licensed since I was 16, which makes my license term in excess of 40 years now. Congratulations. I've also published articles in several radio magazines, including a cover article featured in Ham Radio Magazine. Oh geeze....NO WONDER you sound like Lennie! And no wonder "Ham Radio" is a footnote in Amateur Radio rather than an active part of it! hat. And as for applicance operators, who built YOUR computer...?!?! I contributed to its operating system (Linux) and have been active in Linux development since 1992. Some of my software can be found in both the Red Hat Fedora and Slackware Linux distributions, to name two distros I've recently checked. You can also find my software on major distribution sites such as http://www.ibiblio.org. Well congratulations then. I am sure you're happy where you are. Tell me: What software have YOU written for YOUR computer lately? I haven't...but then I didn't suggest that I did! I was discussing Amateur RADIO. Now I have to terminate this "conversation." Getting into a ####ing contest wasn't my original intent, but you've drawn me partially into one, and now I must extract myself from it. If you still think I'm bloviating, so be it. You ARE "bloviating". I've pointed out in each and every post where I was discussing the crossband REPEATER and you keep trying to discuss something else. The ONLY Amateur Radio voice repeater on the ISS is the CROSSBAND one. And a "####ing contest" certainly WAS your objective when you found it necessary to "answer" an inquiry with answers that were, in their very nature, confrontational and NOT within the parameters of the initial inquiry. I'm outta here. Don't let the door...well...you know... AMF. Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: cut Nor am I stupid enough to put my name or call in front of convicted felony stalkers such as W4AMP. To the best of my knowledge, he's not a resident of this group. Moreover, despite the childish whinings of KB9RQZ, there's not a person here who's been in 1 seconds worth of danger due to "stalkers". more attcks amore **** cut And a "####ing contest" certainly WAS your objective when you found it necessary to "answer" an inquiry with answers that were, in their very nature, confrontational and NOT within the parameters of the initial inquiry. aginai with micron thin skin I'm outta here. Don't let the door...well...you know... yea exactly what you want to run ANYBODY that does bow to your will off here AMF. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ Advocates Interference, was: Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
an_old_friend wrote: wrote: K4YZ wrote: cut It has to do with "policy" issues if it means getting RRAP'ers to talk on the same frequency at the same time. Steve, talking on the same frequency at the same time is called "interference." no you are wrong steve inted us all to be on so he talk at us like he does here on RRAP Steve talks to very, very, very few people on RRAP. He is too extreme for most. |
K4YZ Advocates Interference, was: Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: K4YZ wrote: cut It has to do with "policy" issues if it means getting RRAP'ers to talk on the same frequency at the same time. Steve, talking on the same frequency at the same time is called "interference." no you are wrong steve inted us all to be on so he talk at us like he does here on RRAP Steve talks to very, very, very few people on RRAP. He is too extreme for most. those he agrees with he seem to already know elsewhere (dave for example) |
Here's An Interesting OPERATING Question for RRAPers
nobodys old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: cut Nor am I stupid enough to put my name or call in front of convicted felony stalkers such as W4AMP. To the best of my knowledge, he's not a resident of this group. Moreover, despite the childish whinings of KB9RQZ, there's not a person here who's been in 1 seconds worth of danger due to "stalkers". more attcks amore #### More profanity from a mentally challenged, funtionally illiterate idiot. And a "####ing contest" certainly WAS your objective when you found it necessary to "answer" an inquiry with answers that were, in their very nature, confrontational and NOT within the parameters of the initial inquiry. aginai with micron thin skin "aginai"...?!?!? I'm outta here. Don't let the door...well...you know... yea exactly what you want to run ANYBODY that does bow to your will off here It's not my "will", Markie. "Larry", despite his self-proclaimed expertise, knowledge, and experience doesn't seem to understand what the term "crossband" means as it pertains to Amateur Radio application. He came in purporting to "know a better way", yet obviously didn't know what he was talking about. He offered to leave and I suggested he duck that swinging door. Steve, K4YZ |
more shit more lies from steve
On 31 Jan 2006 06:17:20 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
nobodys old friend wrote: more forgery more **** K4YZ wrote: cut Nor am I stupid enough to put my name or call in front of convicted felony stalkers such as W4AMP. To the best of my knowledge, he's not a resident of this group. Moreover, despite the childish whinings of KB9RQZ, there's not a person here who's been in 1 seconds worth of danger due to "stalkers". more attcks amore **** More profanity from a mentally challenged, funtionally illiterate idiot. I am better off that you which isn't sayoing much And a "####ing contest" certainly WAS your objective when you found it necessary to "answer" an inquiry with answers that were, in their very nature, confrontational and NOT within the parameters of the initial inquiry. aginai with micron thin skin "aginai"...?!?!? again yes your micron thin skin is a legend I'm outta here. Don't let the door...well...you know... yea exactly what you want to run ANYBODY that does bow to your will off here It's not my "will", Markie. yes it is "Larry", despite his self-proclaimed expertise, knowledge, and experience doesn't seem to understand what the term "crossband" means as it pertains to Amateur Radio application. no he simply uses the terms slightly differently than you want him to and you can stand no varriation from anybody He came in purporting to "know a better way", yet obviously didn't know what he was talking about. no you a lying again He offered to leave and I suggested he duck that swinging door. more of you attack attack **** that you have been pulling for years Steve, K4YZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: cut More profanity from a mentally challenged, funtionally illiterate idiot. I am better off that you No you're not. Not when you have to keep depending on profanity to "make your point". I am better than you I don't lie without a reason like you just did I chose to use vulgarity I don't have to OTOH the vulgarity does serve to bring your hypocrasy into sharper focus Unlike you I am not afraid of word which isn't sayoing much learn to spell you own titles first And a "####ing contest" certainly WAS your objective when you found it necessary to "answer" an inquiry with answers that were, in their very nature, confrontational and NOT within the parameters of the initial inquiry. aginai with micron thin skin "aginai"...?!?!? again yes your micron thin skin is a legend What micron thin skin? yours Mine's no-more-no less than any other caucasion male in my age bracket. yes it is it is thin esty online skin I have ever seen its only rival is Dave I'm outta here. Don't let the door...well...you know... yea exactly what you want to run ANYBODY that does bow to your will off here It's not my "will", Markie. yes it is No it's not. yes it is "Larry" engaged himself on his own volition. I didn't bring him in here. so? cut the diverationary rant he dares to phrase thing differently than you liked and you flamed him for it "Larry", despite his self-proclaimed expertise, knowledge, and experience doesn't seem to understand what the term "crossband" means as it pertains to Amateur Radio application. no he simply uses the terms slightly differently than you want him to and you can stand no varriation from anybody It's not my terms. It's the industry's. there is no industry cuting divertion He came in purporting to "know a better way", yet obviously didn't know what he was talking about. no you a lying again Nope. yes he never said anything about a better way to contact the ISS cut the divertion technique I should have known better. you should have known and had better manners but you have never displayed manners on this forum He offered to leave and I suggested he duck that swinging door. more of you attack attack **** that you have been pulling for years Nope. More of YOUR "micron thin" skin, FatBoy. nah but back to name calling Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: nobodys old friend wrote: aginai with micron thin skin "aginai"...?!?!? I think he soft-stroked the "v" key. |
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