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L. September 9th 06 12:55 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
Your lame ass excuse below is NOT sufficient reason to be perpetuating BULL
****. There is NO REASONABLE explanation for continuing that BULL ****
story - regardless your claims. So YOU are the "****ing idiot" for choosing
to place yourself in as a part of it - even in "spreading" it. "YOU" helping
to spread the bull **** is just as much a slap in the face of all who
suffered in what ever manner.

YES - by continuing to pass it along - YOU ARE getting sick satisfaction by
trying to prove your own sick point. Obviously you MUST believe it to pass
it on. MOST anyone would say that is bull **** and let it drop at that -
case closed. And as I said in another post - if you do NOT believe it, then
why perpetuate it? You dumb asses who do this **** - are so full of it, you
have no clue......... hell, even the stories don't hold up, they change.
That in itself spells BULL ****. If YOU aren't smart enough to figure that
out - then YOU are the ****ing idiot - not me. And I'm sure many in here
would agree with that.

Maybe you're just trying to get your 15 minutes of fame trying to make your
case, I don't know - but you FAILED. All you did was bring up bad memories
and make yourself out to be a real ASS HOLE. IF YOU DO NOT believe in your
heart the crap you're spreading - then leave this crap die - don't keep
trying to push it. THAT would prove you do NOT believe it. Your words
below - are NOT an apology for bringing this up and even at at that - you
seem to still try to push the point in doing so. HOW LAME.

Also, you didn't seem to send anything along with it to SHOW that you didn't
believe it! You could have said something to the effect of - "here is what I
found - provided the link(s) - and said - UNBELIEVABLE. Hows that for a
bunch of crap?" Just to let people know what was out there and let them
debate it IF they chose. Maybe that was your "intention". BUT your "method"
tends to lean in the direction of you "believing' it. YOU are the one who
made the post - NOT ME. BLAME YOURSELF for the image you portrayed. IF I say
something stupid on line - and I have - then that makes me the fool and I
must face up to it and in the past - I have - including personal apologies
(takes a real man to do that). BUT THIS BABY IS YOUR DOING. WE ARE ONLY
CALLING YOU ON YOUR OWN WORDS AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE YOUR APPARENT BELIEFS.

Since you didn't include a reference to whom you were asking of them
accusing you - then it seems reasonable to believe that more than I have
gathered the same opinion. Therefore - being accused? Well dude - if the
shoe fits - wear it. Again - it was YOU who posted the stupid ****. NOT US.

L.


wrote in message
oups.com...

Are you accusing me of getting some sort of sick satisfaction from
dragging out 9-11 when I know families are the victims are bound to
read it at some point? **** you, what's in it for me, I'm relaying
information the mass media won't. Go switch on the TV and shut up you
****ing idiot.

Building 7 - never hit by a plane but it collapsed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPDNPJAr_Ao

No steel framed building has ever collapsed by fire EVER! The owner of
the WTC, who took billions in insurance for the 9-11 attacks on the
compund he bought 6 months earlier said on TV the fire service 'pulled
the building and you have seen Building 7 falling straight all the way
down like a demolition. It takes 2 weeks to wire a building for
demolition, so how did invisible men manage it in 7 hours with the
entire Manhatten emergency service population in the vacinity?




[email protected] September 9th 06 01:47 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
9/11 Revisited - There were EXPLOSIONS?...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...10169657809939


[email protected] September 9th 06 01:58 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
You could be anyone. You could be involved, so what if I have an
interest in the World Trade Centre? Find your own interests instead of
trying to stop me having one for whatever reason. I'm not saying planes
didn't hit the towers, I'm saying it was a cover for their controlled
demolition.Those towers were packed to the hilt with explosives all the
way down, 73 professors agree. Firefighters heard the explosions,
everyone one heard the explosions, you can hear them going off on every
level as the tower was blown to dust on every floor as it came down.
Why else would concrete and everything else be blown to dust

911 REVISITED It's all in this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...57809939&q=911


L. wrote:
Your lame ass excuse below is NOT sufficient reason to be perpetuating BULL
****. There is NO REASONABLE explanation for continuing that BULL ****
story - regardless your claims. So YOU are the "****ing idiot" for choosing
to place yourself in as a part of it - even in "spreading" it. "YOU" helping
to spread the bull **** is just as much a slap in the face of all who
suffered in what ever manner.

YES - by continuing to pass it along - YOU ARE getting sick satisfaction by
trying to prove your own sick point. Obviously you MUST believe it to pass
it on. MOST anyone would say that is bull **** and let it drop at that -
case closed. And as I said in another post - if you do NOT believe it, then
why perpetuate it? You dumb asses who do this **** - are so full of it, you
have no clue......... hell, even the stories don't hold up, they change.
That in itself spells BULL ****. If YOU aren't smart enough to figure that
out - then YOU are the ****ing idiot - not me. And I'm sure many in here
would agree with that.

Maybe you're just trying to get your 15 minutes of fame trying to make your
case, I don't know - but you FAILED. All you did was bring up bad memories
and make yourself out to be a real ASS HOLE. IF YOU DO NOT believe in your
heart the crap you're spreading - then leave this crap die - don't keep
trying to push it. THAT would prove you do NOT believe it. Your words
below - are NOT an apology for bringing this up and even at at that - you
seem to still try to push the point in doing so. HOW LAME.

Also, you didn't seem to send anything along with it to SHOW that you didn't
believe it! You could have said something to the effect of - "here is what I
found - provided the link(s) - and said - UNBELIEVABLE. Hows that for a
bunch of crap?" Just to let people know what was out there and let them
debate it IF they chose. Maybe that was your "intention". BUT your "method"
tends to lean in the direction of you "believing' it. YOU are the one who
made the post - NOT ME. BLAME YOURSELF for the image you portrayed. IF I say
something stupid on line - and I have - then that makes me the fool and I
must face up to it and in the past - I have - including personal apologies
(takes a real man to do that). BUT THIS BABY IS YOUR DOING. WE ARE ONLY
CALLING YOU ON YOUR OWN WORDS AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE YOUR APPARENT BELIEFS.

Since you didn't include a reference to whom you were asking of them
accusing you - then it seems reasonable to believe that more than I have
gathered the same opinion. Therefore - being accused? Well dude - if the
shoe fits - wear it. Again - it was YOU who posted the stupid ****. NOT US.

L.


wrote in message
oups.com...

Are you accusing me of getting some sort of sick satisfaction from
dragging out 9-11 when I know families are the victims are bound to
read it at some point? **** you, what's in it for me, I'm relaying
information the mass media won't. Go switch on the TV and shut up you
****ing idiot.

Building 7 - never hit by a plane but it collapsed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPDNPJAr_Ao

No steel framed building has ever collapsed by fire EVER! The owner of
the WTC, who took billions in insurance for the 9-11 attacks on the
compund he bought 6 months earlier said on TV the fire service 'pulled
the building and you have seen Building 7 falling straight all the way
down like a demolition. It takes 2 weeks to wire a building for
demolition, so how did invisible men manage it in 7 hours with the
entire Manhatten emergency service population in the vacinity?



Jeff September 9th 06 02:05 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 

wrote in message oups.com...


No steel framed building has ever collapsed by fire EVER! The owner of

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


That "is" the whole point. The WTC was NOT a typical steel frame
building. Most Hi Rises make use of huge steel girders at there center and
encase these girders in tons of rebar and and more tons of concrete to form
massive support columns. Then floors are laid, attached to these massive
columns. The only way to bring "them" down is to take out the support
columns. The WTC bldgs. were of a totally different design. They built
those bldgs. using a technique where the exterior walls "were" built as the
supporting structure. The bldgs. had no massive center columns to fall back
on. Once you take out a huge section ( by a large airplane ) you remove
the support from everything above it. And then its just a matter of time
before things start falling. Its really too bad the bldgs were built that way.
If they had been conventional design, they would have had very bad
damage to a couple floors, but they wouldnt have fallen. And the death
toll would have been much, much less.



Jeff



John Smith September 9th 06 02:15 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 


wrote in message
ups.com...
You could be anyone. You could be involved, so what if I have an
interest in the World Trade Centre? Find your own interests instead of
trying to stop me having one for whatever reason. I'm not saying planes
didn't hit the towers, I'm saying it was a cover for their controlled
demolition.Those towers were packed to the hilt with explosives all the
way down, 73 professors agree. Firefighters heard the explosions,
everyone one heard the explosions, you can hear them going off on every
level as the tower was blown to dust on every floor as it came down.
Why else would concrete and everything else be blown to dust

911 REVISITED It's all in this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...57809939&q=911


L. wrote:
Your lame ass excuse below is NOT sufficient reason to be perpetuating
BULL
****. There is NO REASONABLE explanation for continuing that BULL ****
story - regardless your claims. So YOU are the "****ing idiot" for
choosing
to place yourself in as a part of it - even in "spreading" it. "YOU"
helping
to spread the bull **** is just as much a slap in the face of all who
suffered in what ever manner.

YES - by continuing to pass it along - YOU ARE getting sick satisfaction
by
trying to prove your own sick point. Obviously you MUST believe it to
pass
it on. MOST anyone would say that is bull **** and let it drop at that -
case closed. And as I said in another post - if you do NOT believe it,
then
why perpetuate it? You dumb asses who do this **** - are so full of it,
you
have no clue......... hell, even the stories don't hold up, they change.
That in itself spells BULL ****. If YOU aren't smart enough to figure
that
out - then YOU are the ****ing idiot - not me. And I'm sure many in here
would agree with that.

Maybe you're just trying to get your 15 minutes of fame trying to make
your
case, I don't know - but you FAILED. All you did was bring up bad
memories
and make yourself out to be a real ASS HOLE. IF YOU DO NOT believe in
your
heart the crap you're spreading - then leave this crap die - don't keep
trying to push it. THAT would prove you do NOT believe it. Your words
below - are NOT an apology for bringing this up and even at at that - you
seem to still try to push the point in doing so. HOW LAME.

Also, you didn't seem to send anything along with it to SHOW that you
didn't
believe it! You could have said something to the effect of - "here is
what I
found - provided the link(s) - and said - UNBELIEVABLE. Hows that for a
bunch of crap?" Just to let people know what was out there and let them
debate it IF they chose. Maybe that was your "intention". BUT your
"method"
tends to lean in the direction of you "believing' it. YOU are the one who
made the post - NOT ME. BLAME YOURSELF for the image you portrayed. IF I
say
something stupid on line - and I have - then that makes me the fool and I
must face up to it and in the past - I have - including personal
apologies
(takes a real man to do that). BUT THIS BABY IS YOUR DOING. WE ARE ONLY
CALLING YOU ON YOUR OWN WORDS AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE YOUR APPARENT BELIEFS.

Since you didn't include a reference to whom you were asking of them
accusing you - then it seems reasonable to believe that more than I have
gathered the same opinion. Therefore - being accused? Well dude - if the
shoe fits - wear it. Again - it was YOU who posted the stupid ****. NOT
US.

L.


wrote in message
oups.com...

Are you accusing me of getting some sort of sick satisfaction from
dragging out 9-11 when I know families are the victims are bound to
read it at some point? **** you, what's in it for me, I'm relaying
information the mass media won't. Go switch on the TV and shut up you
****ing idiot.

Building 7 - never hit by a plane but it collapsed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPDNPJAr_Ao

No steel framed building has ever collapsed by fire EVER! The owner of
the WTC, who took billions in insurance for the 9-11 attacks on the
compund he bought 6 months earlier said on TV the fire service 'pulled
the building and you have seen Building 7 falling straight all the way
down like a demolition. It takes 2 weeks to wire a building for
demolition, so how did invisible men manage it in 7 hours with the
entire Manhatten emergency service population in the vacinity?



Really, can you give us a cite for this? BTW when you cut and paste a video
together just using the audio and video you want someone to see (switching
shots frequently so no one gets the true context of the video) it isn't
worth much. And now we come to Dr. David Ray Griffin.

David Ray Griffin grew up in a small town in Oregon, where he was an active
participant in his Disciples of Christ church. After deciding to become a
minister, Griffin entered Northwest Christian College, but became
disenchanted with the conservative-fundamentalist theology that was taught
there. While getting his master's degree in counseling from the University
of Oregon, Griffin attended a lecture series delivered by Paul Tillich at
the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, California. At this time,
Griffin made his decision to focus on philosophical theology. He eventually
attended the Claremont Graduate University, where Griffin received his Ph.D.
in 1970.


Yes after Dr. Griffin explained physics and structural engineering to us I
now know that Bush did it!


--
"Anybody who deliberately propagandizes with lies should be held up to scorn
and ridicule" - Al Franken



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John Smith September 9th 06 02:37 PM

9-11 was an 'Inside Job' say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
wrote in message
oups.com...
The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters
Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and
Technology (NIST) . Underwriters Laboratories is the company that
certified the steel components used in the construction of the World
Trade Center towers. The information in this letter is of great
importance.

Dr. Gayle,

Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the
need to contact you directly.

As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel
components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. [..]

We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time
temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed
to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree,
the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we
can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until
reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would
imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those
buildings makes no sense at all. [..]

This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did
soften or melt, I'm sure we can all agree that this was certainly not
due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires
in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...rt icleId=236


This is great --- except that it is all a lie.


Kevin Ryan
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kevin Ryan is a former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories in
South Bend, Indiana, a subsidiary of Underwriters Labs(UL) responsible for
water testing. He was fired after publicly challenging UL's conclusions
regarding the collapse of the WTC.

Contents
[hide]
a.. 1 Research
b.. 2 Activism
c.. 3 Media coverage
d.. 4 External links



[edit]
Research
Ryan said that in the WTC towers case, UL was the company that certified the
steel used in construction of the two towers. Although Ryan was not was not
involved in the certification for the steel used in the World Trade Centers,
he claimed to have been given information, both verbally and in writing,
about UL's involvement in in these activities.

However the company's spokesman Paul M. Baker stated "UL does not certify
structural steel, such as the beams, columns and trusses used in World Trade
Center". In a paper entitled "Propping Up the War on Terror: Lies About the
WTC by NIST and Underwriters Laboratories", Ryan states that this statement
by UL is misleading.

The NIST also said that steel is not certified and "UL did not certify any
steel as suggested. In fact, in U.S. practice, steel is not certified at
all; rather structural assemblies are tested for their fire resistance
rating in accordance with a standard procedure such as ASTM E 119 (see
NCSTAR 1-6B). That the steel was "certified ... to 2000 degrees Fahrenheit
for six hours" is simply not true." [1]

But Ryan never stated that the steel was certified for six hours.

The NIST also states that steel heated to 2000 degrees Fahrenheit "softens
and its strength reduces to roughly 10 percent of its room temperature
value."[2]

Ryan has responded to the UL statements, noting that they directly
contradict statements made by UL's CEO, Loring Knoblauch [3].

Ryan wrote to Dr. Frank Gayle urging him to clarify his findings on the
causes of structure collapse of the towers, copying the letter to David Ray
Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor, and to Catherine Austin Fitts, who
is a member of the 911Truth.org board. Gayle was, at the time, the Deputy
Chief of the Metallurgy Division, Material Science and Engineering
Laboratory, at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).
Gayle headed the "NIST and the World Trade Center" project.

In Ryan's letter, he claimed that a subsequent report from NIST ignored
Gayle's initial findings that weak steel was not the contributing factor in
the collapse of the towers. Ryan stated: "Your comments suggest that the
steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500 °F (250 °C)."

Ryan admitted that he wrote to Dr. Gayle on his own capacity and not on
behalf of his employer, UL. Subsequently, UL disavowed Ryan's expertise
because he was not employed in the Fire Protection Department and fired him.


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John Smith September 9th 06 03:31 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
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wrote in message
oups.com...


No steel framed building has ever collapsed by fire EVER! The owner of

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


That "is" the whole point. The WTC was NOT a typical steel
frame
building. Most Hi Rises make use of huge steel girders at there center
and
encase these girders in tons of rebar and and more tons of concrete to
form
massive support columns. Then floors are laid, attached to these massive
columns. The only way to bring "them" down is to take out the support
columns. The WTC bldgs. were of a totally different design. They built
those bldgs. using a technique where the exterior walls "were" built as
the
supporting structure. The bldgs. had no massive center columns to fall
back
on. Once you take out a huge section ( by a large airplane ) you remove
the support from everything above it. And then its just a matter of time
before things start falling. Its really too bad the bldgs were built that
way.
If they had been conventional design, they would have had very bad
damage to a couple floors, but they wouldnt have fallen. And the death
toll would have been much, much less.



Jeff


Did you ever see the pictures of the WWII bomber that hit the Empire State
Building? It was bad but, just as you said, the building didn't fall and
the damage was repaired without too much trouble.

Hey wait, maybe that was an "inside job" too!

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and ridicule" - Al Franken



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Dudley Henriques September 9th 06 03:46 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 

"Cubdriver" usenet AT danford.net wrote in message
...
On 8 Sep 2006 05:31:52 -0700, wrote:

Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks
were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the
invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.


Let's see, that would be Noam Chomsky and 74 of his friends and
acolytes?


I'm always amazed, and quite frankly downright frightened, when I realize
that there are actually people out here who have gone though a lifetime of
learning to achieve the qualifications necessary required to teach at a post
grad level, who are so absolutely stupid; so moronic and juvenile in their
approach to simple logic, that they not only accept lunacy like this, but
willingly feel the need to propagate this totally worthless and
intellectually vacant line of reasoning.( or lack of reasoning in this case)

A two year old child can see that the logic for such an elaborate conspiracy
is fatally flawed.
It is absolutely amazing to me that those espousing these elaborate
conspiracy theories don't have the simple common sense to realize that no
plan this big, or involving the many people that would be required to make
it work could ever be pulled off in secrecy.
The simple numbers just aren't there.
Meanwhile back at the ranch............we can all be prepared to fork up
even more college tuition money next year to feed these idiot professors,
and our kids will have the supreme privilege of working their butts off to
get high scores on their SAT's so that we can send them off for four years
of indoctrination into a world of over educated no common sense morons who
don't have the collective brains to fill a condom.
On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for doing this!!! :-)))
Dudley Henriques



Notan September 9th 06 03:49 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I getit, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
John Smith wrote:

snip

Hey wait, maybe that was an "inside job" too!


Of course it was an inside job.

EVERYTHING is an inside job.

Just ask the conspiracy theorists! g

Notan

[email protected] September 9th 06 04:47 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
Each tower had 40 huge steel columns running up the centre. If the
booms you can hear during the collapse were the floors hitting each
other and not demolition charges why were these steel columns not left
standing but found at the debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths? Why
weren't those columns standing after the floors had suposedly slid down
around them?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt.../image/wtc.jpg

911 Revisited - IT'S ALL IN THIS VIDEO:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...10169657809939


Jim Macklin September 9th 06 04:53 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
Some "contractors" in Australia watched a TV program about
imploding buildings with explosives. They decided they
could do it. Their city had a large building complex that
had to come down. They bid on the contract and were the low
bidder.

Just like the people commenting here, they packed the
building with high explosives, a ton or more. Citizens came
out to watch, many were in boats on the nearby lake.

When the explosives went off, the buildings did not all fall
down, but large pieces did fly a 1/4 to half mile into the
lake and several people were killed. This proves that the
professional contractors who bring buildings down without
breaking the windows on the building next door don't use
very much explosive power, just a small charge in a critical
place.

And idiots can make silly mistakes, like hiring a contractor
who trained by watching Max eXtreme videos on TV.

I think we should all remember that the hard part of
building an atomic bomb was done in three years, between
1942 and 1945. Soon, the Muslim terrorists will have a few
bombs, particularly if the party of appeasement wins the
Congress in November. Then the next attack on an American
city can kill not just 3,000, but 300,000. I'm sure that
some kooks will present the idea that the CIA did it so we
could start another war for oil.

Names that can be looked up on the Internet...Neville
Chamberlain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Chamberlain
is perhaps the most ill-regarded British Prime Minister of
the 20th ... Chamberlain's political legacy is defined by
his dealings with and ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain - 147k -
Cached - Similar pages


Vidkun Quisling -- Norway's Benedict Arnold Quisling, Vidkun
(1887-1945), Norwegian politician, whose collaboration with
the Nazis...during World War II (1939-1945) made his name
synonymous with ...
www.mnc.net/norway/quisling.htm - 6k - Cached -
Similar pages


Vidkun Quisling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quisling
was the son of a Church of Norway priest and genealogist Jon
Lauritz ... rooted one to a more pro-Nazi and anti-Semitic
hardline policy from 1935, ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling - 30k - Cached -
Similar pages


WWII took a long time to begin, the next big war is starting
now, and it is being ignored or worse, called Bush's war,
Bush lied, Bush's war for his "oil buddies."

Maybe these people should watch all the old Star Trek shows,
one of them had a line, "the purpose of diplomacy is to
prolong the conflict." Or something like that.


"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
ink.net...
|
| "Cubdriver" usenet AT danford.net wrote in message
| ...
| On 8 Sep 2006 05:31:52 -0700,
wrote:
|
| Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe
the attacks
| were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to
justify the
| invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.
|
| Let's see, that would be Noam Chomsky and 74 of his
friends and
| acolytes?
|
| I'm always amazed, and quite frankly downright frightened,
when I realize
| that there are actually people out here who have gone
though a lifetime of
| learning to achieve the qualifications necessary required
to teach at a post
| grad level, who are so absolutely stupid; so moronic and
juvenile in their
| approach to simple logic, that they not only accept lunacy
like this, but
| willingly feel the need to propagate this totally
worthless and
| intellectually vacant line of reasoning.( or lack of
reasoning in this case)
|
| A two year old child can see that the logic for such an
elaborate conspiracy
| is fatally flawed.
| It is absolutely amazing to me that those espousing these
elaborate
| conspiracy theories don't have the simple common sense to
realize that no
| plan this big, or involving the many people that would be
required to make
| it work could ever be pulled off in secrecy.
| The simple numbers just aren't there.
| Meanwhile back at the ranch............we can all be
prepared to fork up
| even more college tuition money next year to feed these
idiot professors,
| and our kids will have the supreme privilege of working
their butts off to
| get high scores on their SAT's so that we can send them
off for four years
| of indoctrination into a world of over educated no common
sense morons who
| don't have the collective brains to fill a condom.
| On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for
doing this!!! :-)))
| Dudley Henriques
|
|



danny burstein September 9th 06 05:41 PM

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In . com writes:

You could be anyone. You could be involved, so what if I have an
interest in the World Trade Centre? Find your own interests instead of
trying to stop me having one for whatever reason. I'm not saying planes
didn't hit the towers, I'm saying it was a cover for their controlled
demolition.


And I'm saying you're a moron. And a kook. And insane.

But there's MORE!

You're also ugly.


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You September 9th 06 06:25 PM

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In article .com,
wrote:

Each tower had 40 huge steel columns running up the centre. If the
booms you can hear during the collapse were the floors hitting each
other and not demolition charges why were these steel columns not left
standing but found at the debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths? Why
weren't those columns standing after the floors had suposedly slid down
around them?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt...column/lesson_
disaster/World_trade_center/image/wtc.jpg

911 Revisited - IT'S ALL IN THIS VIDEO:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...10169657809939


Hey Dufus, did you notice that Dr. Jones GOT FIRED, for making dubious
CLAIMS, about things he isn't qualified to comment on, ON THURSDAY????
The guy is a first class LOON......

You September 9th 06 06:54 PM

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In article . com,
wrote:

You could be anyone. You could be involved, so what if I have an
interest in the World Trade Centre? Find your own interests instead of
trying to stop me having one for whatever reason. I'm not saying planes
didn't hit the towers, I'm saying it was a cover for their controlled
demolition.Those towers were packed to the hilt with explosives all the
way down, 73 professors agree. Firefighters heard the explosions,
everyone one heard the explosions, you can hear them going off on every
level as the tower was blown to dust on every floor as it came down.
Why else would concrete and everything else be blown to dust

911 REVISITED It's all in this video:


Sonny, you have NO expertiese in Energetic Materials Science, Demolition
of MultiStory Buildings or even Structural Engineering, and NONE of your
"So Called Professors" do either. If you had any of the above
expertiese, it would be OBVIOUS, to you that these guys are "So full
of ****, there eyes are BROWN". Tell us all when, and how the buildings
were filled with explosives, and who did it? Then tell us all, How it
was that these explosives could be set off, with the MILES of Detcord
it would take to time such a demolition, that would take MONTHS to
install, and fill, every hallway and crawlspace, and NONE of the
buildings occupants who were there, 24/7, never noticed ANY of that
Detcord strung all over the place, or these mythical Badguys installing
it all? Then explain to us all just how the demolition was triggered,
and timed correctly, when noone could possibley know where the planes
were going to hit, and what part of the REQUIRED Detcord would be
destroyed by the plane strikes, in each building? Then when you have all
that figured out, tell us all, what happened to all the Explosive
Residue that should have been left on the Structual Steel when the
mythical Energetic Materials Detonated? All the Steel was sampled and
tested for Residue, and NO TRACE of ANY Energetic Material WAS FOUND.
Dr. Johns "Says" he found traces of SULFUR, for which he has NO
Cooroberating Lab Results. BIG DEAL, Sulfur is NOT part of ANY of the
KNOW Energetic Materials that would be used in a Demolition of this kind.
It is also not a component of Thermite, in the classic formula, or in its
Industrial forms. Also Thermite is NOT used in Building Demolitions
because it takes way to long to Cut the Steel. What is use is Shaped
HE charges with Copper or Brass Cutting Wedges, to finish cuts that
were made with OXY/ACT Torches when the building was Prepped for
demolition. NO ONE saw anyone makinf stategic CUTS in the WTC prior
to 9/11 and the building were occupied 24/7.

Your theories are so far out, as to be unrational, in the extreme....

You September 9th 06 07:01 PM

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In article ,
You wrote:

In article ,
"MnMikew" wrote:

This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951

"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does
not
endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."


Steve Jones Is Certifiable Loon, and anyone who knows him will state so,
in just those words. He isn't a Structural Enginee., He isn't an
Energetic Materials Science Chemist. He has no experience with explosives
in any way, shape or form. He is a Physics Professor with dubious
Publication History, looking to make a 'Big Splash" in the media.
When will these folks just blow away with their own Hot Air......


and he got FIRED, yesterday for spouting Unsupported Claims....
Does anyone else wonder why.......

Mike Painter September 10th 06 04:30 AM

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Richard Riley wrote:
On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:42:14 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:


"Leading scientists"??? Experts in the appropriate fields support the
NIST explanations -- NOT those of Jones, et. al! Jones' field of
expertise a cold fusion, the journeys of Jesus Christ through the
Americas. He has zero experience in structures or anything else
relevant to the subject.


You know, until this very moment I harbored a tiny hope that somehow
there was something real about cold fusion.

sigh

I guess next you'll tell me that the Masons aren't really in charge of
everything.


Of Course they are in charge.
fnord.



Private September 10th 06 05:24 AM

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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for doing this!!!
:-)))
Dudley Henriques


"We have seen the enemy and it is us." -- Pogo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo

I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of questions. There
seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable secrecy and many of the
facts are very disturbing.

"Reality is a thin line between denial and paranoia."
-- Author unknown, but often quoted by the 9/11 truth movement



Jim Macklin September 10th 06 05:26 AM

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Actually the subject line is wrong for several reasons.
Gravity brought the WTC down, just as gravity brings
everything down.


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| "Dudley Henriques" wrote in
message
|
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|
| On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for
doing this!!!
| :-)))
| Dudley Henriques
|
| "We have seen the enemy and it is us." -- Pogo
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo
|
| I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of
questions. There
| seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable
secrecy and many of the
| facts are very disturbing.
|
| "Reality is a thin line between denial and paranoia."
| -- Author unknown, but often quoted by the 9/11 truth
movement
|
|



Mike Painter September 10th 06 06:38 AM

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Private wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for doing this!!!
:-)))
Dudley Henriques


"We have seen the enemy and it is us." -- Pogo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo

I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of questions. There
seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable secrecy
and many of the facts are very disturbing.

Planes flew into the buildings and the top floors fell in mass on the floor
below it.
That floor collapesed and the mas fell on the floor below it.

I once watched a friend of mine break a stack of roofing tiles that was over
six feet tall with his bare hand. While he did it in one continuos motion,
he still broke only one brick at a time.

KE = 1/2 MV^2 says that once that top mass fell more than a single floor,
the building was going to come down, one floor at a time.

As for any inane ideas about wiring the floors with explosives one question
must be asked.
Why bother with planes and only two buildings when you could wire hundreds
and set them off when discovered or on a weekly basis?



John Smith September 10th 06 01:16 PM

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"Mike Painter" wrote in message
. com...
Richard Riley wrote:
On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:42:14 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:


"Leading scientists"??? Experts in the appropriate fields support the
NIST explanations -- NOT those of Jones, et. al! Jones' field of
expertise a cold fusion, the journeys of Jesus Christ through the
Americas. He has zero experience in structures or anything else
relevant to the subject.


You know, until this very moment I harbored a tiny hope that somehow
there was something real about cold fusion.

sigh

I guess next you'll tell me that the Masons aren't really in charge of
everything.


Of Course they are in charge.
fnord.


Well, kinda! The Masons run things, but the Illuminati tell them what to
do.

--
"Anybody who deliberately propagandizes with lies should be held up to scorn
and ridicule" - Al Franken



Dudley Henriques September 10th 06 01:47 PM

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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for doing this!!!
:-)))
Dudley Henriques


"We have seen the enemy and it is us." -- Pogo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo

I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of questions. There
seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable secrecy and many of
the facts are very disturbing.


I would agree with this on premise. Its a fair statement and presented in a
manner that indicates a reaction to this event not unlike that felt by many.
The circumstances of the incident are horrific and difficult to deal with
for ANY "man in the street".
Its one thing to have questions. Its another to accept blindly as fact, some
"theory" put out here that defies all logic, by individuals with an obvious
political agenda.
The ultimate blame for 9-11 will no doubt be in question for eternity. The
actual circumstances that brought down the buildings however is obvious to
anyone without an agenda and possessing normal powers of observation and
needs no further comment really.
This having been said, it is obvious as well that those believing the
conspiracies are most likely not going to change their opinion since the
core logic for that opinion is based on
logic outside the realm of normal reason.
Dudley Henriques





John Smith September 10th 06 04:43 PM

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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
ink.net...

On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for doing this!!!
:-)))
Dudley Henriques


"We have seen the enemy and it is us." -- Pogo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo

I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of questions. There
seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable secrecy and many of
the facts are very disturbing.


I would agree with this on premise. Its a fair statement and presented in
a manner that indicates a reaction to this event not unlike that felt by
many. The circumstances of the incident are horrific and difficult to deal
with for ANY "man in the street".
Its one thing to have questions. Its another to accept blindly as fact,
some "theory" put out here that defies all logic, by individuals with an
obvious political agenda.
The ultimate blame for 9-11 will no doubt be in question for eternity. The
actual circumstances that brought down the buildings however is obvious to
anyone without an agenda and possessing normal powers of observation and
needs no further comment really.
This having been said, it is obvious as well that those believing the
conspiracies are most likely not going to change their opinion since the
core logic for that opinion is based on
logic outside the realm of normal reason.
Dudley Henriques


Very well said Mr. Henriques!

--
"Anybody who deliberately propagandizes with lies should be held up to scorn
and ridicule" - Al Franken



Private September 10th 06 06:40 PM

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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"Private" wrote in message
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I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of questions. There
seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable secrecy and many of
the facts are very disturbing.


I would agree with this on premise. Its a fair statement and presented in
a manner that indicates a reaction to this event not unlike that felt by
many. The circumstances of the incident are horrific and difficult to deal
with for ANY "man in the street".


Its one thing to have questions. Its another to accept blindly as fact,
some "theory" put out here that defies all logic, by individuals with an
obvious political agenda.


I accept nothing regarding this matter as fact. IMHO there is a collection
of ignorance and wishful thinking on both sides of the issue. IMHO, there
are many who are attempting to use the events or to bend the truth to
justify beliefs and conclusions that were held long before it happened.
There is also no doubt that there is intentional opportunism, obfuscation,
concealment, public thought manipulation and downright lying, from both
sides of the debate. I do think it is good that the untruths are being
questioned. I do think it was a crime that the investigation was
manipulated and the forensic and other evidence was hidden and destroyed.

Just my .02



Matt Whiting September 10th 06 09:44 PM

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Richard Riley wrote:
On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:42:14 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:


"Leading scientists"??? Experts in the appropriate fields support the
NIST explanations -- NOT those of Jones, et. al! Jones' field of
expertise a cold fusion, the journeys of Jesus Christ through the
Americas. He has zero experience in structures or anything else relevant
to the subject.



You know, until this very moment I harbored a tiny hope that somehow
there was something real about cold fusion.

sigh

I guess next you'll tell me that the Masons aren't really in charge of
everything.


That's correct. The carpenters are now in charge. Masonry is passe. :-)

Matt

danny burstein September 10th 06 09:54 PM

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In Matt Whiting writes:

I guess next you'll tell me that the Masons aren't really in charge of
everything.


That's correct. The carpenters are now in charge. Masonry is passe. :-)


Bringing us back to the dawn of Christianity...


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Toto the Dog September 11th 06 10:42 AM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
Each tower had 40 huge steel columns running up the centre. If the
booms you can hear during the collapse were the floors hitting each
other and not demolition charges why were these steel columns not left
standing but found at the debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths? Why
weren't those columns standing after the floors had suposedly 'slid
down' around them?

Here's one of the columns:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2...dcolumnfy6.jpg


p.s. take rec.aviation out of your replies - they're only interested in
the plane part.


Mike Painter September 11th 06 11:55 PM

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Toto the Dog wrote:
Each tower had 40 huge steel columns running up the centre. If the
booms you can hear during the collapse were the floors hitting each
other and not demolition charges why were these steel columns not left
standing but found at the debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths? Why
weren't those columns standing after the floors had suposedly 'slid
down' around them?



Here's one of the columns:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2...dcolumnfy6.jpg


That's a picture of something but please give us the pictures and
information on
a "debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths"

As for the "huge steel columns"
"The unique structure of the WTC towers exaggerated the problems caused by
the weakened steel. The towers had a lightweight "perimeter tube" design
consisting of 244 exterior columns of 36 cm square steel box section on 100
cm centers, with 95% of the structure's interior consisting of nothing but
air Within this perimeter tube design there was a 27m by 40m core,
designed to provide additional support to the tower."

I don't consider 36 cm (less than 15 inches) huge in that context.




You September 12th 06 08:07 PM

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In article ,
"Mike Painter" wrote:

Toto the Dog wrote:
Each tower had 40 huge steel columns running up the centre. If the
booms you can hear during the collapse were the floors hitting each
other and not demolition charges why were these steel columns not left
standing but found at the debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths? Why
weren't those columns standing after the floors had suposedly 'slid
down' around them?



Here's one of the columns:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2...dcolumnfy6.jpg


That's a picture of something but please give us the pictures and
information on
a "debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths"

As for the "huge steel columns"
"The unique structure of the WTC towers exaggerated the problems caused by
the weakened steel. The towers had a lightweight "perimeter tube" design
consisting of 244 exterior columns of 36 cm square steel box section on 100
cm centers, with 95% of the structure's interior consisting of nothing but
air Within this perimeter tube design there was a 27m by 40m core,
designed to provide additional support to the tower."

I don't consider 36 cm (less than 15 inches) huge in that context.




Maaybe it never occured to this Dufus, that these columns were built in
30Ft lengths and bolted together, or welded, as the building was
erected. Since these columns were all designed to be in "Compression",
when the lateral failure of the Exterior Tube happened, they would
naturally come out of compression, and break at their 30 Ft original
lengths. Duhh, this is first Year Structural Engineer stuff, but I guess
it would be beyound, the comprehension of the above, GED Dufus.......

L. September 12th 06 09:07 PM

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"You" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Mike Painter" wrote:

Toto the Dog wrote:
Each tower had 40 huge steel columns running up the centre. If the
booms you can hear during the collapse were the floors hitting each
other and not demolition charges why were these steel columns not left
standing but found at the debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths? Why
weren't those columns standing after the floors had suposedly 'slid
down' around them?



Here's one of the columns:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2...dcolumnfy6.jpg


That's a picture of something but please give us the pictures and
information on
a "debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths"

As for the "huge steel columns"
"The unique structure of the WTC towers exaggerated the problems caused
by
the weakened steel. The towers had a lightweight "perimeter tube" design
consisting of 244 exterior columns of 36 cm square steel box section on
100
cm centers, with 95% of the structure's interior consisting of nothing
but
air Within this perimeter tube design there was a 27m by 40m core,
designed to provide additional support to the tower."

I don't consider 36 cm (less than 15 inches) huge in that context.




Maaybe it never occured to this Dufus, that these columns were built in
30Ft lengths and bolted together, or welded, as the building was
erected. Since these columns were all designed to be in "Compression",
when the lateral failure of the Exterior Tube happened, they would
naturally come out of compression, and break at their 30 Ft original
lengths. Duhh, this is first Year Structural Engineer stuff, but I guess
it would be beyound, the comprehension of the above, GED Dufus.......


It doesn't matter to them - all they want to do is ignore the obvious and
try to stir up ****. What they fail to see is when they ignore the facts -
it makes them look like the assholes they are.

Personally, I hate seeing all this 9/11 stuff being restirred. Not because
of disrespect - but because it makes me want to go out and destroy all those
rag heads for causing the deaths of so many innocent people. IMHO - we're
treating them with kid gloves, even those who now reside in this country
"supposedly" legally. I don't trust a one of them. WAR IS WAR. They didn't
give a **** about who they hurt or killed - why the hell should "I" care if
they all die? I DON'T. Their so called religion is about peace.........
ROFLMAO......... PEACE MY ASS........ Its their way or no way. **** THEM
ALL - AND ANYONE who wants to side with them even if making conspiracy
twists to try to say those ragheads had nothing to do with it.

L.



Mike Painter September 13th 06 02:46 AM

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L. wrote:
"You" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Mike Painter" wrote:

Toto the Dog wrote:
Each tower had 40 huge steel columns running up the centre. If the
booms you can hear during the collapse were the floors hitting each
other and not demolition charges why were these steel columns not
left standing but found at the debris pile in uniform 30 foot
lengths? Why weren't those columns standing after the floors had
suposedly 'slid down' around them?


Here's one of the columns:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2...dcolumnfy6.jpg

That's a picture of something but please give us the pictures and
information on
a "debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths"

As for the "huge steel columns"
"The unique structure of the WTC towers exaggerated the problems
caused by
the weakened steel. The towers had a lightweight "perimeter tube"
design consisting of 244 exterior columns of 36 cm square steel box
section on 100
cm centers, with 95% of the structure's interior consisting of
nothing but
air Within this perimeter tube design there was a 27m by 40m core,
designed to provide additional support to the tower."

I don't consider 36 cm (less than 15 inches) huge in that context.




Maaybe it never occured to this Dufus, that these columns were built
in 30Ft lengths and bolted together, or welded, as the building was
erected. Since these columns were all designed to be in
"Compression", when the lateral failure of the Exterior Tube
happened, they would naturally come out of compression, and break at
their 30 Ft original lengths. Duhh, this is first Year Structural
Engineer stuff, but I guess it would be beyound, the comprehension
of the above, GED Dufus.......


It doesn't matter to them - all they want to do is ignore the obvious
and try to stir up ****. What they fail to see is when they ignore
the facts - it makes them look like the assholes they are.

Personally, I hate seeing all this 9/11 stuff being restirred. Not
because of disrespect - but because it makes me want to go out and
destroy all those rag heads for causing the deaths of so many
innocent people. IMHO - we're treating them with kid gloves, even
those who now reside in this country "supposedly" legally. I don't
trust a one of them. WAR IS WAR. They didn't give a **** about who
they hurt or killed - why the hell should "I" care if they all die? I
DON'T. Their so called religion is about peace.........
ROFLMAO......... PEACE MY ASS........ Its their way or no way. ****
THEM ALL - AND ANYONE who wants to side with them even if making
conspiracy twists to try to say those ragheads had nothing to do with
it.


Now you have some idea of why most of that reagion wants to kill all of us.
For over a generation "Made in USA" was on the bombs that killed them and
the planes that dropped.
The ones who *DON'T THINK* react just as you do.



L. September 13th 06 05:52 AM

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"Mike Painter" wrote in message
.. .
L. wrote:
"You" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Mike Painter" wrote:

Toto the Dog wrote:
Each tower had 40 huge steel columns running up the centre. If the
booms you can hear during the collapse were the floors hitting each
other and not demolition charges why were these steel columns not
left standing but found at the debris pile in uniform 30 foot
lengths? Why weren't those columns standing after the floors had
suposedly 'slid down' around them?


Here's one of the columns:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2...dcolumnfy6.jpg

That's a picture of something but please give us the pictures and
information on
a "debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths"

As for the "huge steel columns"
"The unique structure of the WTC towers exaggerated the problems
caused by
the weakened steel. The towers had a lightweight "perimeter tube"
design consisting of 244 exterior columns of 36 cm square steel box
section on 100
cm centers, with 95% of the structure's interior consisting of
nothing but
air Within this perimeter tube design there was a 27m by 40m core,
designed to provide additional support to the tower."

I don't consider 36 cm (less than 15 inches) huge in that context.




Maaybe it never occured to this Dufus, that these columns were built
in 30Ft lengths and bolted together, or welded, as the building was
erected. Since these columns were all designed to be in
"Compression", when the lateral failure of the Exterior Tube
happened, they would naturally come out of compression, and break at
their 30 Ft original lengths. Duhh, this is first Year Structural
Engineer stuff, but I guess it would be beyound, the comprehension
of the above, GED Dufus.......


It doesn't matter to them - all they want to do is ignore the obvious
and try to stir up ****. What they fail to see is when they ignore
the facts - it makes them look like the assholes they are.

Personally, I hate seeing all this 9/11 stuff being restirred. Not
because of disrespect - but because it makes me want to go out and
destroy all those rag heads for causing the deaths of so many
innocent people. IMHO - we're treating them with kid gloves, even
those who now reside in this country "supposedly" legally. I don't
trust a one of them. WAR IS WAR. They didn't give a **** about who
they hurt or killed - why the hell should "I" care if they all die? I
DON'T. Their so called religion is about peace.........
ROFLMAO......... PEACE MY ASS........ Its their way or no way. ****
THEM ALL - AND ANYONE who wants to side with them even if making
conspiracy twists to try to say those ragheads had nothing to do with
it.


Now you have some idea of why most of that reagion wants to kill all of
us. For over a generation "Made in USA" was on the bombs that killed them
and the planes that dropped.
The ones who *DON'T THINK* react just as you do.


Sorry dude, MY line of thinking - DIDN"T INVITE THOSE COCK SUCKERS HERE TO
KILL. "I" had nothing against them until they pulled this **** off. AND for
that - I will NEVER forgive them. They all deserve to die. Even their brand
of religion is "flawed".

I guess you're one of those who would open the gates to allow them all to
move in and the Mexicans too - huh?

Dude - I DO think - every ****ing day about those 3000 + killed.

L.



Mike Painter September 13th 06 05:36 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
L. wrote:
snip

Now you have some idea of why most of that reagion wants to kill all
of us. For over a generation "Made in USA" was on the bombs that
killed them and the planes that dropped.
The ones who *DON'T THINK* react just as you do.


Sorry dude, MY line of thinking - DIDN"T INVITE THOSE COCK SUCKERS
HERE TO KILL. "I" had nothing against them until they pulled this
**** off. AND for that - I will NEVER forgive them. They all deserve
to die. Even their brand of religion is "flawed".


And the women and children who have died every day from bombs, bullets and
starvation since the first gulf war had nothing to do with 9/11.
In fact there probably were no people from Iraq on the planes and *you* buy
some of your gas from the country with the most people represented Saudi,
Arabia.

I doubt you know enought about your religion to call Islam flawed.


I guess you're one of those who would open the gates to allow them
all to move in and the Mexicans too - huh?


"I had nothing against them" is similar to BillCosby's "I have nothing
against them" in his classic monolog on bigotry.
I suppose you feel that way against the German's, Japanese, British, Native
American's and others who have killed far more Americans than were killed in
9/11.

Dude - I DO think - every ****ing day about those 3000 + killed.


And they think about the tens of thousands who hve died at the hand of
American arms.


L.




GK September 13th 06 06:04 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...Iget it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
wrote:
The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost 3,000 people
dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading academics.

I had been inside all those buildings many times myself as a broadcast
engineer. I do know that the top floors of both of the tall towers had
lots of very heavy items such as massive TV transmitter plants, both
analog and new digital ones, new digital antennas for tv where being
added on the roof and also the motor structures for the upper elevators
where on the top floors.

GK

Jeff September 13th 06 07:43 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 

"Mike Painter" wrote in message
. ..

Dude - I DO think - every ****ing day about those 3000 + killed.


And they think about the tens of thousands who hve died at the hand of
American arms.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That is why they call it "war", and that is unfortunately how you win wars.
Every "real" leader i.e. Patton, have known this for a long time. There is no
such thing as a "surgical" war. I dont care how careful you are. Those ragheads
have been terrorizing, and blowing people up for a long, long time. Its time to
end it, no matter what it takes. If we dont, your grandkids will be praying to
Allah someday. Phrase from the Koran: " By the sword ye shall convert"
And these *******s are seeing to it. Kill them ALL now, no matter what it
takes ( Period ). But unfortunately we dont even need to have the ragheads
ruin us,, the bleeding hearts in this country are already doing it for them.



J



Mike Painter September 13th 06 08:52 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
Jeff wrote:
"Mike Painter" wrote in message
. ..

Dude - I DO think - every ****ing day about those 3000 + killed.


And they think about the tens of thousands who hve died at the hand
of American arms.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That is why they call it "war", and that is unfortunately
how you win wars. Every "real" leader i.e. Patton, have known this
for a long time. There is no
such thing as a "surgical" war. I dont care how careful you are.
Those ragheads have been terrorizing, and blowing people up for a
long, long time. Its time to
end it, no matter what it takes. If we dont, your grandkids will be
praying to Allah someday. Phrase from the Koran: " By the sword ye
shall convert"
And these *******s are seeing to it. Kill them ALL now, no matter
what it
takes ( Period ). But unfortunately we dont even need to have the
ragheads
ruin us,, the bleeding hearts in this country are already doing it
for them.


Gosh, where have I heard that before. I remember, it was when we were
trying to stop the domionos by fighting in Viet Nam.

Phrases from the bible,
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but
rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house
divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be
divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against
the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against
her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Luke 22:36
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.



L. September 13th 06 10:37 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
"Jeff" wrote in message
news:UiYNg.965897$084.696435@attbi_s22...

"Mike Painter" wrote in message
. ..

Dude - I DO think - every ****ing day about those 3000 + killed.


And they think about the tens of thousands who hve died at the hand of
American arms.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That is why they call it "war", and that is unfortunately how you
win wars.
Every "real" leader i.e. Patton, have known this for a long time. There is
no
such thing as a "surgical" war. I dont care how careful you are. Those
ragheads
have been terrorizing, and blowing people up for a long, long time. Its
time to
end it, no matter what it takes. If we dont, your grandkids will be
praying to
Allah someday. Phrase from the Koran: " By the sword ye shall convert"
And these *******s are seeing to it. Kill them ALL now, no matter what it
takes ( Period ). But unfortunately we dont even need to have the
ragheads
ruin us,, the bleeding hearts in this country are already doing it for
them.



J



Now THAT I can agree with! Especially the last part.

L.



L. September 13th 06 11:05 PM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
"Mike Painter" wrote in message
. ..
L. wrote:
snip

Now you have some idea of why most of that reagion wants to kill all
of us. For over a generation "Made in USA" was on the bombs that
killed them and the planes that dropped.
The ones who *DON'T THINK* react just as you do.


Sorry dude, MY line of thinking - DIDN"T INVITE THOSE COCK SUCKERS
HERE TO KILL. "I" had nothing against them until they pulled this
**** off. AND for that - I will NEVER forgive them. They all deserve
to die. Even their brand of religion is "flawed".


And the women and children who have died every day from bombs, bullets and
starvation since the first gulf war had nothing to do with 9/11.
In fact there probably were no people from Iraq on the planes and *you*
buy some of your gas from the country with the most people represented
Saudi, Arabia.

I doubt you know enought about your religion to call Islam flawed.


I guess you're one of those who would open the gates to allow them
all to move in and the Mexicans too - huh?


"I had nothing against them" is similar to BillCosby's "I have nothing
against them" in his classic monolog on bigotry.
I suppose you feel that way against the German's, Japanese, British,
Native American's and others who have killed far more Americans than were
killed in 9/11.

Dude - I DO think - every ****ing day about those 3000 + killed.


And they think about the tens of thousands who hve died at the hand of
American arms.


L.




YOU do not know me. I don't know YOU either - so do NOT suppose you can tell
me how I can think or feel. I do NOT have anything against ANY people. It is
not "me" who is declaring the wars - but since they found it in their liking
to come here and kill - then they shall be killed. And I'm not suggesting
the women or children - but the murderous pricks who did it or want to
perpetuate it. WHO are YOU to offer an excuse? They'd slit your throat in a
heart beat. They don't give a **** about you either. OR is it you're one of
them?

Yes, their religion IS flawed. They want to die to receive 70 virgins and so
on? What the hell's with that? They don't even use the women here - they
keep them covered up. And as for "Virgins" - don't those dumb *******s know
that once used - they're no longer virgins? On the other hand - who's
suggesting they're virgin "women". They suck each other off enough - could
be men, goats, donkeys, camels, etc.

There is NOTHING you're going to tell me to want to forgive that yellow
bellied low life prick and all his cock sucking buddies. Again, much as I
don't like Bush, at least he goes out in public - not hiding in caves. OBL
is a Yellow Bellied ASS HOLE. Were it not for his money - he'd be just
another piece of ****.

Forget the Bible versuses dude - they do me no good. Christ isn't here - nor
is God - to stop this craziness - nor will they be. They've been coming to
earth for "centuries" - they've not arrived yet. Furthermore - it is said
that Christ himself will rise against the anti Christ - so that makes him
too - a "warrior". So don't portray me as evil when the Prince of Peace is
to do the same thing. Peace - that is such a joke. There hasn't been peace
on this earth since Cain and Abel - and never will be! Yeah, it would be
nice if one day soon - someone could say - "OK - all people - put down your
weapons - there is peace on earth from today on" and it "happens". NEVER
..... that is such wishful thinking. Any smart religious person knows we'll
not see Peace any time soon. As many churches as there are, bibles, korans,
etc - supposedly teaching Peace and Love - for all these centuries - did ya
ever take notice - it isn't happening? It just doesn't work that way. I
don't care how many cops, preachers, priests, nuns, etc - you have - there
will be NO peace. The **** is worse now than ever. Some may say the end of
the world - so be it. But when each of us die, it's always the "end of the
world" that dying person's world - so who's to say it is "THE" end of
"EARTH"? Where "all" mankind dies at once or there abouts. Where ALL things
cease to exist - including troubles? The only way this world will end is
when our resources run out, the sun goes black, we nuke each other to death
so the clouds do suffocate the earth from all living conditions.

See, this is where YOU TOO are flawed - They want US to practice THEIR
religion - or else. THEY HATE CHRISTIANS, JEWS and I can't recall the last
one. SO - they've included ALL but themselves. How convenient. And they're
"peaceful"? PEACEFUL - MY ASS. Christians are also out there pounding the
pavement to shove religion down people's throats. So, it could be deemed yet
another "religious" war. You bible carriers always switch to a bible when
things don't go your way. Those versuses from days gone by aren't going to
save your ass should they come knocking.

L.



Jeff September 14th 06 01:25 AM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 

"Mike Painter" wrote in message
. ..
Jeff wrote:
"Mike Painter" wrote in message
. ..

Dude - I DO think - every ****ing day about those 3000 + killed.

And they think about the tens of thousands who hve died at the hand
of American arms.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That is why they call it "war", and that is unfortunately
how you win wars. Every "real" leader i.e. Patton, have known this
for a long time. There is no
such thing as a "surgical" war. I dont care how careful you are.
Those ragheads have been terrorizing, and blowing people up for a
long, long time. Its time to
end it, no matter what it takes. If we dont, your grandkids will be
praying to Allah someday. Phrase from the Koran: " By the sword ye
shall convert"
And these *******s are seeing to it. Kill them ALL now, no matter
what it
takes ( Period ). But unfortunately we dont even need to have the
ragheads
ruin us,, the bleeding hearts in this country are already doing it
for them.


Gosh, where have I heard that before. I remember, it was when we were
trying to stop the domionos by fighting in Viet Nam.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lets try to compare apples to apples, instead of apples to potatoes.


Phrases from the bible,
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but
rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house
divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be
divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against
the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against
her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Luke 22:36
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


That's cute,,, relevance??


J



L. September 14th 06 01:32 AM

Dynamite bought the twin towers down say 73 top professors...I get it, you'll wait till you hear it from Katie Couric.
 
"Mike Painter" wrote in message
. ..


And the women and children who have died every day from bombs, bullets
and
starvation since the first gulf war had nothing to do with 9/11.
In fact there probably were no people from Iraq on the planes and *you*
buy some of your gas from the country with the most people represented
Saudi, Arabia.


The "Gulf war" as you said, had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. I'll
agree with you there. That was a whole different story. However - HAD they
allowed the General in charge to finish the job, THIS Iraq war may not be
happening.

I doubt you know enought about your religion to call Islam flawed.


I never pretended, admitted to or claimed to be a "religious" finatic or
"follower" if you will. Not of "Christianity", Buddhism (sp?), any others
and CERTAINLY not "Islam". But - I DO know what I've seen and heard with my
own ears and eyes. Those pricks want all who do NOT follow Islam - to die.
They are NOT practicing a "peaceful" religion as much as they'd love to
think. So, if you think Islam is so great - why don't YOU go to Afghanistan
and join OBL and take what comes to you. You "seem" to support it in
defending it.


I suppose you feel that way against the German's, Japanese, British,
Native American's and others who have killed far more Americans than were
killed in 9/11.


Eh - I think your history is a bit ****ed up. It is the people who came to
America - who KILLED the "Native" Americans. WE essentially took their land
off them and in the end - they have like maybe a millionth of what they once
owned. I'm not proud of that - but THAT is history!

As to the other wars - were it not for a nut case like Hitler - just as
Saddam and the Japanese leader whose name I've forgotten - those wars may
never have been fought. Never did "I" say I agreed with them. BUT since they
were started - those fruit cakes had to be stopped. THEY alone are
responsible for the loss of innocent lives. ANYONE who "starts" a war -
wears the blood. Now, as for THIS Iraq war - I have in past posts and shall
in this one - DETEST it. I didn't agree with it then nor do I now. BUT - I
DO AND WILL support our troops. They're doing what they are sent to do -
even if "they" don't agree with it. OBL and that dick head from N. Korea are
the two latest nuts that need dealt with. NOT so much the people - but the
assholes that are convincing them. What I DID agree to - is going to
Afghanistan to find OBL and deliver his cold dead sorry ass on a silver
stretcher. BUT Bush lost track of that and went wondering on to Iraq. We
should have devoted ALL resources to finish that first job. Had we done
that - OBL and his dick sucking buds might all be dead now - and with no
leader with "money" - maybe the other "rag heads" would stop their fateful
dreaming.


Dude - I DO think - every ****ing day about those 3000 + killed.


And they think about the tens of thousands who hve died at the hand of
American arms.


They died because others were attacked first and we stuck our nose in to
defend those being attacked - in whatever manner. REMEMBER - we even helped
Iraq at one time - against Iran. Strange - how we now battle in Iraq AND in
the U.N. at least for now - with their foe as well - Iran. THAT is our
problem - we ALWAYS stick our nose in. Those assholes in that area have been
fighting for CENTURIES. WHO the hell are WE to think WE will stop it in a
couple years? It ain't never going to happen. PEACE in the middle east is a
wild dream at best.

At one point WE even armed the Taliban......... We essentially fought
Russian equipped armies via the Taliban. We get bit in the ass every damned
time we help ANYONE. We need to let them fight it out - kill each other off
if it makes them happy. THEN mop up when they start looking in our
direction. IF they want to commit genocide in that area - far be it from me
to stop them OR care. There's nothing we're going to do to stop it with
absolute certainty. I'm not totally heartless - I DO feel for the kids and
women. IF they could be removed, I'd say do it and let those assholes have
at it.

Furthermore - EVERY country - who has capabilities to make arms - SELLS
them. SO, be it the U.S., Russia, N. Korea, whoever........... it is not
necessarily the "maker" of those bombs who is "responsible" for the innocent
lives being taken. Just because YOU buy a gun from Smith and Wesson -
doesn't make THEM guilty for your committing murder. THAT analogy you used
is a bit off based.......... IF Israel bombs the **** out of Palestine, it's
not OUR fault they used stuff they bought from us! WE didn't "pull" the
trigger. Does it make it right? NO - but that is a fact of life.

L.



L. September 14th 06 02:27 AM

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"Jeff" wrote in message
news:Mj1Og.966590$084.878249@attbi_s22...

"Mike Painter" wrote in message
. ..
Jeff wrote:
"Mike Painter" wrote in message
. ..

Dude - I DO think - every ****ing day about those 3000 + killed.

And they think about the tens of thousands who hve died at the hand
of American arms.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That is why they call it "war", and that is unfortunately
how you win wars. Every "real" leader i.e. Patton, have known this
for a long time. There is no
such thing as a "surgical" war. I dont care how careful you are.
Those ragheads have been terrorizing, and blowing people up for a
long, long time. Its time to
end it, no matter what it takes. If we dont, your grandkids will be
praying to Allah someday. Phrase from the Koran: " By the sword ye
shall convert"
And these *******s are seeing to it. Kill them ALL now, no matter
what it
takes ( Period ). But unfortunately we dont even need to have the
ragheads
ruin us,, the bleeding hearts in this country are already doing it
for them.


Gosh, where have I heard that before. I remember, it was when we were
trying to stop the domionos by fighting in Viet Nam.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lets try to compare apples to apples, instead of apples to
potatoes.


Phrases from the bible,
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace,
but a sword.

Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but
rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house
divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be
divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother
against
the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law
against
her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Luke 22:36
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


That's cute,,, relevance??


J



There is none! That is the problem. He quotes them pretty easily - probably
reading word for word - but himself doesn't know the significance. He blasts
ME for blasting "Islam" - hahahahaha ROFLMAO.
The Bible itself - from that which I do know and had preached to me - has
ALWAYS alluded to war in many areas. So - that "history" book is telling us
that THOSE people have been at it forever and WE are not going to stop it.
You would "think" that over all those centuries, someone - one of their many
leaders - would have said enough is enough. Even if they "get" one - the
poor ******* is assassinated - further proving peace is not desired. They
don't want "us" interfering. So, let them go on - we can watch via CNN -
ring side seats.

Maybe the "true" Islam is peaceful - but "I" speak of the perhaps twisted
version of "Islam" being preached by these murderous PRICKS. Where NO ONE
but them - should exist. IF that isn't a bunch of psychos, I don't know what
is.

Infidels are we? OK......... I've stated my title for them before and will
do so again - Cock sucking yellow bellied rag head *******s. They hate those
who don't follow the Koran or at least their "twisted" version of it? OK -
how's this - shove the Koran up your ass. Go ahead and hate me - who gives a
****? IF I cared, I sure in hell wouldn't be defaming those ass holes. You
never see them with women, and they look like they've never bathed in like
their life time. So, yeah, I think I have them pegged pretty close.

Regardless what is happening today - they "still" show - that they prefer
"civilian" targets over "military" targets. Buses, market places, weddings,
etc. SO - it is easy to see they are truly YELLOW. Have I "offended" anyone
yet? If you're "innocent" - then this doesn't pertain to you. If you're
among the supporters of those murderous pricks - then may you be next to get
what they have coming.

L.




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