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[email protected] June 11th 07 05:19 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
Hi,


Bought a bcd396t last weekend and was really excited about scanning.
Never owned one or new anything about it. I turned it on and cleared
all memory first, since my area didn't seem to be pre-programmed. I
live in Bay Point CA, 94565. Sat outside my house to see what was
going on on a Saturday night. I did an automatic search for police
activity and had one or two frequencies that gave me some messages
every once in a while. Was hard to understand too by the way

Is this all there is to it, or should it be more exciting? I expected
more action on a Saturday night, especially in my area, but all I got
was a message every once in a while. Or should I not use the automatic
search, because it doesn't work properly?

Is the automatic search able to find all different frequencies, like
trunking, conventional, etc...?

I guess I'm confused because it didn't give me the action I was hoping
for.

I returned the unit on sunday...very disappointed, but maybe someone
could tell me I'm wrong and I need to do certain things to get this
unit to work.

thanks


Dave Ferguson[_2_] June 11th 07 11:55 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi,


Bought a bcd396t last weekend and was really excited about scanning.
Never owned one or new anything about it. I turned it on and cleared
all memory first, since my area didn't seem to be pre-programmed. I
live in Bay Point CA, 94565. Sat outside my house to see what was
going on on a Saturday night. I did an automatic search for police
activity and had one or two frequencies that gave me some messages
every once in a while. Was hard to understand too by the way

Is this all there is to it, or should it be more exciting? I expected
more action on a Saturday night, especially in my area, but all I got
was a message every once in a while. Or should I not use the automatic
search, because it doesn't work properly?

Is the automatic search able to find all different frequencies, like
trunking, conventional, etc...?

I guess I'm confused because it didn't give me the action I was hoping
for.

I returned the unit on sunday...very disappointed, but maybe someone
could tell me I'm wrong and I need to do certain things to get this
unit to work.

thanks


You had a very powerful scanner in your hands. I blame the person you
bought it from for not showing you how to use it or at least program local
agencies in it.

Scanning is a great hobby but it's not a turn it on and listen kind of
thing. You have to do some research of your area. A great place to start
is www.radioreference.com . They have the most extensive database for
police/fire/rescue . I looked up Bay Point, CA and see it's in Contra Costa
County. Here's a listing for that county:
http://www.radioreference.com/module...me=RR&ctid=189 .

As you were scanning you were probably picking up bits and pieces of a
"trunked" system. You can listen to it but it's hard to follow if you don't
have your scanner set properly to listen to a trunked system. Here are
the basics of a "trunked" system.
http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Trunking

Hope you reconsider.
Dave



[email protected] June 12th 07 01:32 AM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
On Jun 11, 3:55 pm, "Dave Ferguson" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...





Hi,


Bought a bcd396t last weekend and was really excited about scanning.
Never owned one or new anything about it. I turned it on and cleared
all memory first, since my area didn't seem to be pre-programmed. I
live in Bay Point CA, 94565. Sat outside my house to see what was
going on on a Saturday night. I did an automatic search for police
activity and had one or two frequencies that gave me some messages
every once in a while. Was hard to understand too by the way


Is this all there is to it, or should it be more exciting? I expected
more action on a Saturday night, especially in my area, but all I got
was a message every once in a while. Or should I not use the automatic
search, because it doesn't work properly?


Is the automatic search able to find all different frequencies, like
trunking, conventional, etc...?


I guess I'm confused because it didn't give me the action I was hoping
for.


I returned the unit on sunday...very disappointed, but maybe someone
could tell me I'm wrong and I need to do certain things to get this
unit to work.


thanks


You had a very powerful scanner in your hands. I blame the person you
bought it from for not showing you how to use it or at least program local
agencies in it.

Scanning is a great hobby but it's not a turn it on and listen kind of
thing. You have to do some research of your area. A great place to start
iswww.radioreference.com . They have the most extensive database for
police/fire/rescue . I looked up Bay Point, CA and see it's in Contra Costa
County. Here's a listing for that county:http://www.radioreference.com/module...me=RR&ctid=189.

As you were scanning you were probably picking up bits and pieces of a
"trunked" system. You can listen to it but it's hard to follow if you don't
have your scanner set properly to listen to a trunked system. Here are
the basics of a "trunked" system.http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Trunking

Hope you reconsider.
Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I bought it at Fry's, but nobody there who knew anything about it.
When bought it, I had already looked at the website you mentioned,
and entered the frequencies for police for my city. Every once in a
while I could here someone talking for 1 or two seconds, but it seems
that I should have heard much more than just a dispatcher going back
and force only a few times an hour. Also, I found only 2 channels when
I did the automatic search . I would expect to find much more. This
was around 11 PM. I would still expect airplaines, Fire department,
etc...I'm in the middle between two cities here(less than 2 miles), so
there should be lots of stuff going on.

How would one be able to program a trunking system then if the search
is only for Convetional? also, I'm not sure if my PD uses digital or
not. Is the search able to auto-detect digital as well?

The user's manual that came with it is probably the worst manual I've
ever read. Only today I found out about squelch. The manual said to
set the squelch, but it didn't explain what squelch was and what to
set it to. So, I put it in the middle when I tried the scanner and
left it there.

I would love to give it another try, but I am very sceptical now
unless I can see somebody show it to me in my area...


[email protected] June 12th 07 01:34 AM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
On Jun 11, 4:00 pm, Evan Platt
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:19:05 -0700, wrote:
Bought a bcd396t last weekend and was really excited about scanning.
Never owned one or new anything about it. I turned it on and cleared
all memory first, since my area didn't seem to be pre-programmed. I
live in Bay Point CA, 94565. Sat outside my house to see what was
going on on a Saturday night. I did an automatic search for police
activity and had one or two frequencies that gave me some messages
every once in a while. Was hard to understand too by the way


Police use 10 codes, and penal and vehicle codes.

Is this all there is to it, or should it be more exciting? I expected
more action on a Saturday night, especially in my area, but all I got
was a message every once in a while. Or should I not use the automatic
search, because it doesn't work properly?


Is the automatic search able to find all different frequencies, like
trunking, conventional, etc...?


Only conventional.

I guess I'm confused because it didn't give me the action I was hoping
for.


I returned the unit on sunday...very disappointed, but maybe someone
could tell me I'm wrong and I need to do certain things to get this
unit to work.


You'll want to program the 396.

Take a look at RadioReference:http://www.radioreference.com/module...name=RR&stid=6

And select what county Bay Point is in, and enter those frequencies.
--
To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious from my e-mail address.


I understand that the police uses codes. It's just weird I pick up
only one or two dispatcher calls with a single reply in about half an
hour or so.

Maybe I should ask someone to show me exactly how to program it. Does
the software that you can buy for it program it for you (i.e. arc396)?


Dave Ferguson[_2_] June 12th 07 02:29 AM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 


The user's manual that came with it is probably the worst manual I've
ever read. Only today I found out about squelch. The manual said to
set the squelch, but it didn't explain what squelch was and what to
set it to. So, I put it in the middle when I tried the scanner and
left it there.

I would love to give it another try, but I am very sceptical now
unless I can see somebody show it to me in my area...


Best thing I can tell you is to check the forum for California
http://www.radioreference.com/forums...splay.php?f=37 and place a
request for help.
I'm positive you will find someone close to your area who would be willing
to give you a hand..

Dave



[email protected] June 12th 07 05:59 AM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
On Jun 11, 6:29 pm, "Dave Ferguson" wrote:
The user's manual that came with it is probably the worst manual I've
ever read. Only today I found out about squelch. The manual said to
set the squelch, but it didn't explain what squelch was and what to
set it to. So, I put it in the middle when I tried the scanner and
left it there.


I would love to give it another try, but I am very sceptical now
unless I can see somebody show it to me in my area...


Best thing I can tell you is to check the forum for Californiahttp://www.radioreference.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37and place a
request for help.
I'm positive you will find someone close to your area who would be willing
to give you a hand..

Dave


thank you guys for all the info.

I think the california forum will be usefull. I went back to Fry's
tonight, and I also went to RadioShack. Nobody there was of any help
and couldn't tell me anything I didn't know yet. What I would really
like to know is:
1) What can one expect to find when one does an automatic search (How
do I know the thing works)
2) How do you listen to a trunking channel (i.e., do you just program
1 frequency. I thought multiple sources share the same frequency)
3) How can you tell if a Police Department uses digital technology (is
this mentioned on the frequencies website on radioreference.com)
4) How do I know my antenna is good enough. Is the stock antenna for
the 396T good enough. I live in the hills, so I though I have best
reception. It seems there's a tower almost in my backyard).
5) I read somewhere that you need a special antenna (800 Mz). Not sure
what it is for. There's also 400Mhz antenna;s. Do they all fit?

As you can see. I'm really a novice. I think I expect too much to be
done for me. It's just I don't feel like spending the $600 for
something I might not be able to use.

Thanks,


Michel


BDK[_2_] June 12th 07 08:06 AM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
In article .com,
says...
On Jun 11, 3:55 pm, "Dave Ferguson" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...





Hi,


Bought a bcd396t last weekend and was really excited about scanning.
Never owned one or new anything about it. I turned it on and cleared
all memory first, since my area didn't seem to be pre-programmed. I
live in Bay Point CA, 94565. Sat outside my house to see what was
going on on a Saturday night. I did an automatic search for police
activity and had one or two frequencies that gave me some messages
every once in a while. Was hard to understand too by the way


Is this all there is to it, or should it be more exciting? I expected
more action on a Saturday night, especially in my area, but all I got
was a message every once in a while. Or should I not use the automatic
search, because it doesn't work properly?


Is the automatic search able to find all different frequencies, like
trunking, conventional, etc...?


I guess I'm confused because it didn't give me the action I was hoping
for.


I returned the unit on sunday...very disappointed, but maybe someone
could tell me I'm wrong and I need to do certain things to get this
unit to work.


thanks


You had a very powerful scanner in your hands. I blame the person you
bought it from for not showing you how to use it or at least program local
agencies in it.

Scanning is a great hobby but it's not a turn it on and listen kind of
thing. You have to do some research of your area. A great place to start
iswww.radioreference.com . They have the most extensive database for
police/fire/rescue . I looked up Bay Point, CA and see it's in Contra Costa
County. Here's a listing for that county:
http://www.radioreference.com/module...me=RR&ctid=189.

As you were scanning you were probably picking up bits and pieces of a
"trunked" system. You can listen to it but it's hard to follow if you don't
have your scanner set properly to listen to a trunked system. Here are
the basics of a "trunked" system.http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Trunking

Hope you reconsider.
Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I bought it at Fry's, but nobody there who knew anything about it.
When bought it, I had already looked at the website you mentioned,
and entered the frequencies for police for my city. Every once in a
while I could here someone talking for 1 or two seconds, but it seems
that I should have heard much more than just a dispatcher going back
and force only a few times an hour. Also, I found only 2 channels when
I did the automatic search . I would expect to find much more. This
was around 11 PM. I would still expect airplaines, Fire department,
etc...I'm in the middle between two cities here(less than 2 miles), so
there should be lots of stuff going on.



If you did a search and only picked up a few random transmissions, there
was something wrong with the radio, or, you had the squelch turned up
way too high. I wouldn't be surprised if you would have opened it up, to
see the antenna lead wasn't soldered, or some other problem. Uniden's QC
is not the greatest, but seems to have improved lately. The 396 is a
very complex radio, and I personally like the Radio Shack Pro-96 better,
for it's audio quality alone. It's also simpler to use, and cheaper too.
It's supposed to be on closeout soon, to be replaced by a new model,
with more features. When it does close out, it should be 399.95 or less.


How would one be able to program a trunking system then if the search
is only for Convetional? also, I'm not sure if my PD uses digital or
not. Is the search able to auto-detect digital as well?


www.radioreference.com tells you everything you need to know about that.

The conventional trunked freqs can be listened to, but it's very
annoying to do so when there is heavy traffic. On digital stuff, all
you'll hear is a grinding noise, but you should hear something.


The user's manual that came with it is probably the worst manual I've
ever read. Only today I found out about squelch. The manual said to
set the squelch, but it didn't explain what squelch was and what to
set it to. So, I put it in the middle when I tried the scanner and
left it there.


You want it as low as possible, just so it doesn't open (You hear
something) when it's not supposed to. If you had it set way too high, it
would explain almost all your problems. I've never seen the 396 manual,
but I've never seen ANY scanner manual that doesn't explain how the
squelch works. On some radios, if the squelch is set "halfway" you won't
hear much, if anything. I've been using scanners for almost 40 years,
and still occasionally accidentally set the squelch up really high. I
still hear a lot, since I am right across the river from a local Police
transmitter, and it will make it through about any squelch setting.


I would love to give it another try, but I am very sceptical now
unless I can see somebody show it to me in my area...



From your location, you should be able to hear Martinez, Concord,
Antioch, Oakley, and more, without any problem. Since it's not all that
far away for you, go here, they can explain anything you need to know,
and sell you a radio too.

http://www.scannersunlimited.com/

And I would bet they either know about, or are members of a scanner
group for your area.


BDK


BDK[_2_] June 12th 07 08:22 AM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
In article .com,
says...
On Jun 11, 6:29 pm, "Dave Ferguson" wrote:
The user's manual that came with it is probably the worst manual I've
ever read. Only today I found out about squelch. The manual said to
set the squelch, but it didn't explain what squelch was and what to
set it to. So, I put it in the middle when I tried the scanner and
left it there.


I would love to give it another try, but I am very sceptical now
unless I can see somebody show it to me in my area...


Best thing I can tell you is to check the forum for Californiahttp://www.radioreference.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37and place a
request for help.
I'm positive you will find someone close to your area who would be willing
to give you a hand..

Dave


thank you guys for all the info.

I think the california forum will be usefull. I went back to Fry's
tonight, and I also went to RadioShack. Nobody there was of any help
and couldn't tell me anything I didn't know yet. What I would really
like to know is:
1) What can one expect to find when one does an automatic search (How
do I know the thing works)


You should hear a lot of traffic. Some freqs should be very busy, like
local police, and the airband 118-138mhz AM mode should have a lot of
San Francisco traffic on it. You won't, or probably won't hear the
towers very well, if at all, but the planes can be heard from a long
ways away, because of the height they are at.

2) How do you listen to a trunking channel (i.e., do you just program
1 frequency. I thought multiple sources share the same frequency)


You have to put the radio into trunking mode to do it right, but you can
listen to a NON digital one just by putting the freqs in and scanning
them. When it gets busy, it's annoying to listen to that way, and
following a conversation, or chase (like I did last night) is nearly
impossible.

3) How can you tell if a Police Department uses digital technology (is
this mentioned on the frequencies website on radioreference.com)


Yes, it is on radioreference.

4) How do I know my antenna is good enough. Is the stock antenna for
the 396T good enough. I live in the hills, so I though I have best
reception. It seems there's a tower almost in my backyard).


You should be ok with the stock one. Too much antenna on a handheld is
sometimes a problem (It overloads the radio). You can always get one
later on.

5) I read somewhere that you need a special antenna (800 Mz). Not sure
what it is for. There's also 400Mhz antenna;s. Do they all fit?


You probably don't need it, and don't worry about it for now.


As you can see. I'm really a novice. I think I expect too much to be
done for me. It's just I don't feel like spending the $600 for
something I might not be able to use.


$600 is too much. About $520 is the going price:

http://www.scannerworld.com/

http://www.usascan.com/files/bcd396T.cfm

I would make the drive to scanners unlimited, in San Carlos, and get
info and a radio from them. They can probably program it for you, or
tell you who to talk to in your area to get the right freqs. The local
scanner group (There has to be one) members will know about everything
there is to know about your local area.

I'm a customer, not connected in any way:

http://www.scannersunlimited.com/


BDK


Thanks,


Michel



[email protected] June 12th 07 04:51 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
The radio I bought had been used. It was $580. I looked up the prices
on the links mentioned, what a difference. I thought it was nice to
buy it in the store so I could get some help, but that was a mistake.
It could be the radio wasn't working correctly, or my squelch was too
high. I had to look up this term, since it wasn't explained in the
manual. You can look i nthe online manual and see it wasn't explained.
Only mentioned to set the squelch, but nowhere it explains what it
was. I know now... thanks.

You're right, I should be able to hear Martinez, Concord, Antioch,
Oakley.... I'm wondering. Should I be able to hear a lot of
frequencies on the conventional system? And if squelch was too high, I
would have heard nothing?

Also, maybe the frequency I was listening to was trunked. How would I
know. I entered the following frequencies in my scanner but heard
nothing:
Frequency Input License Type Tone CH Description Mode
460.15000 465.15000 KLP745 BMRF 127.3 PL 1 Dispatch FM
460.25000 465.25000 KLP745 BMRF 127.3 PL 2 Secondary FM
460.55000 465.55000 WPKV955 BMRF 127.3 PL 3 Tactical FM
154.71000 155.67000 KMC308 F 123.0 PL CLERS Diablo FM

How can I tell from this data if it is digital, trunked, or
conventional? I couldn't find a chart on radioreference that explains
these codes.

Last night I was listening to a live scanner feed on the web from
Sacramento, CA and I heard non-stop conversations going on. I know I
was doing something wrong, just don't know what.

I will keep reading guides until I understand and then probably buy
another scanner again and give it another try.

Thanks so much for the advice and guidance. You've all been a really
great help and encouraged me to go on solving this.


Michel


[email protected] June 12th 07 05:16 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
On Jun 12, 8:51 am, wrote:
The radio I bought had been used. It was $580. I looked up the prices
on the links mentioned, what a difference. I thought it was nice to
buy it in the store so I could get some help, but that was a mistake.
It could be the radio wasn't working correctly, or my squelch was too
high. I had to look up this term, since it wasn't explained in the
manual. You can look i nthe online manual and see it wasn't explained.
Only mentioned to set the squelch, but nowhere it explains what it
was. I know now... thanks.

You're right, I should be able to hear Martinez, Concord, Antioch,
Oakley.... I'm wondering. Should I be able to hear a lot of
frequencies on the conventional system? And if squelch was too high, I
would have heard nothing?

Also, maybe the frequency I was listening to was trunked. How would I
know. I entered the following frequencies in my scanner but heard
nothing:
Frequency Input License Type Tone CH Description Mode
460.15000 465.15000 KLP745 BMRF 127.3 PL 1 Dispatch FM
460.25000 465.25000 KLP745 BMRF 127.3 PL 2 Secondary FM
460.55000 465.55000 WPKV955 BMRF 127.3 PL 3 Tactical FM
154.71000 155.67000 KMC308 F 123.0 PL CLERS Diablo FM

How can I tell from this data if it is digital, trunked, or
conventional? I couldn't find a chart on radioreference that explains
these codes.

Last night I was listening to a live scanner feed on the web from
Sacramento,CAand I heard non-stop conversations going on. I know I
was doing something wrong, just don't know what.

I will keep reading guides until I understand and then probably buy
another scanner again and give it another try.

Thanks so much for the advice and guidance. You've all been a really
great help and encouraged me to go on solving this.

Michel


I just was able to find out if my PD or FD uses conventional or not.
It seems they use conventional. When I clicked on the license link
that is shown in the frequency table it tells me what kind of system
it is I believe. So, going back to the original question, why I
couldn't hear anything still makes me wonder. I thought I had set the
squelch somewhere in the middle, maybe around 4 or 6 or so. probably
more on the lower end. I did an automatic search and throughout the
whole scanning range it only stopped once or twice. Maybe the scanner
was bad.


labtech_one June 12th 07 06:23 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi,

Snip

I returned the unit on sunday...very disappointed, but maybe someone
could tell me I'm wrong and I need to do certain things to get this
unit to work.

thanks


Maybe you should have ASKED how to use it BEFORE
returning it ...... seems pointless to ask things now.

next time, try reading the manual ( completely), look up
frequency information ( on line or in books ), experiment
a little ( if you program something wrong, you didn't really
do any damage ), and then ASK questions BEFORE you
return it.

These new scanners are not plug and play, they are getting
quite sofisticated, and you actually have to learn about all
the new technology ( being used in the scanner and about
the systems they are trying to receive )



[email protected] June 12th 07 07:02 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
Maybe you should have ASKED how to use it BEFORE
returning it ...... seems pointless to ask things now.


As I mentioned, nobody knew anything about it at Fry's. I asked the
whole department, but nobody who knew anything. If I knew the unit was
good I would have put more time and effort in it. The manual doesn't
provide any basic setup steps. Goes rimmediately into describing the
systems: trunking, digital, etc... I did experiment for almost half a
day. No luck. I did read the manual from the beginning, but very
vague. No explanations except for the simple things like volume
control and how to charge it. All preprogrammed systems where pretty
much useless to my area..

next time, try reading the manual ( completely), look up
frequency information ( on line or in books ), experiment
a little ( if you program something wrong, you didn't really
do any damage ), and then ASK questions BEFORE you
return it.

These new scanners are not plug and play, they are getting
quite sofisticated, and you actually have to learn about all
the new technology ( being used in the scanner and about
the systems they are trying to receive )


I understand now. I'll give it another try.

Thanks.


Jesse June 12th 07 09:51 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
wrote in news:1181578745.407049.267610
@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

Hi,


Bought a bcd396t last weekend and was really excited about scanning.
Never owned one or new anything about it. I turned it on and cleared
all memory first, since my area didn't seem to be pre-programmed. I
live in Bay Point CA, 94565. Sat outside my house to see what was
going on on a Saturday night. I did an automatic search for police
activity and had one or two frequencies that gave me some messages
every once in a while. Was hard to understand too by the way

Is this all there is to it, or should it be more exciting? I expected
more action on a Saturday night, especially in my area, but all I got
was a message every once in a while. Or should I not use the automatic
search, because it doesn't work properly?

Is the automatic search able to find all different frequencies, like
trunking, conventional, etc...?

I guess I'm confused because it didn't give me the action I was hoping
for.

I returned the unit on sunday...very disappointed, but maybe someone
could tell me I'm wrong and I need to do certain things to get this
unit to work.

thanks


Well duh for you.
You are supposed to figure out how to operate a high tech unit before taking
it back.
If you are the type that can't even program a VCR timer then yeah, I'd say
you made the right move.


BDK[_2_] June 12th 07 10:06 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
In article .com,
says...
The radio I bought had been used. It was $580. I looked up the prices
on the links mentioned, what a difference. I thought it was nice to
buy it in the store so I could get some help, but that was a mistake.
It could be the radio wasn't working correctly, or my squelch was too
high. I had to look up this term, since it wasn't explained in the
manual. You can look i nthe online manual and see it wasn't explained.
Only mentioned to set the squelch, but nowhere it explains what it
was. I know now... thanks.


You are right! They really don't explain squelch at all. But then again,
since it's hardly a "beginner's" type radio, being probably the most
complex handheld ever made, they probably figured you knew all about
squelch. If you want to go with a digital capable scanner, I would
recommend the PRO-96 from RS when it goes on sale for the last time.
It's much easier to use than the 396T, and has better audio, IMO.



You're right, I should be able to hear Martinez, Concord, Antioch,
Oakley.... I'm wondering. Should I be able to hear a lot of
frequencies on the conventional system? And if squelch was too high, I
would have heard nothing?


Yeah, the airbands, Railroads, VHF low, VHF high, and UHF are nearly
almost always conventional, or analog trunked, and you should hear all
kinds of stuff. The air bands alone should be busy as hell with an
airport the size of the SF one.


Also, maybe the frequency I was listening to was trunked. How would I
know. I entered the following frequencies in my scanner but heard
nothing:
Frequency Input License Type Tone CH Description Mode
460.15000 465.15000 KLP745 BMRF 127.3 PL 1 Dispatch FM
460.25000 465.25000 KLP745 BMRF 127.3 PL 2 Secondary FM
460.55000 465.55000 WPKV955 BMRF 127.3 PL 3 Tactical FM
154.71000 155.67000 KMC308 F 123.0 PL CLERS Diablo FM


You just want the ones under "frequency" to start with, the others are
sometimes monitored, for various reasons, but the input side won't be
heard very far away.


How can I tell from this data if it is digital, trunked, or
conventional? I couldn't find a chart on radioreference that explains
these codes.


It's just plain old FM! The mode tells you what it is. You're making
this harder than it needs to be.


Last night I was listening to a live scanner feed on the web from
Sacramento, CA and I heard non-stop conversations going on. I know I
was doing something wrong, just don't know what.


I think the radio was a dud. That's probably why it was brought back.

You still might have had the squelch set way too high, sometimes it's
not a linear progression, like level 2 is twice times one and 3 is 3
times one, it might be 2 is 2 times one, and 3 is 2 times 2, so halfways
might make the radio nearly deaf.


I will keep reading guides until I understand and then probably buy
another scanner again and give it another try.



Really, it will make more sense to you if you have the radio in your
hands when you try to figure this stuff out.



Thanks so much for the advice and guidance. You've all been a really
great help and encouraged me to go on solving this.


Good luck, BDK



Michel



[email protected] June 12th 07 10:12 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
On Jun 12, 1:51 pm, Jesse wrote:
wrote in news:1181578745.407049.267610
@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com:





Hi,


Bought a bcd396t last weekend and was really excited about scanning.
Never owned one or new anything about it. I turned it on and cleared
all memory first, since my area didn't seem to be pre-programmed. I
live in Bay Point CA, 94565. Sat outside my house to see what was
going on on a Saturday night. I did an automatic search for police
activity and had one or two frequencies that gave me some messages
every once in a while. Was hard to understand too by the way


Is this all there is to it, or should it be more exciting? I expected
more action on a Saturday night, especially in my area, but all I got
was a message every once in a while. Or should I not use the automatic
search, because it doesn't work properly?


Is the automatic search able to find all different frequencies, like
trunking, conventional, etc...?


I guess I'm confused because it didn't give me the action I was hoping
for.


I returned the unit on sunday...very disappointed, but maybe someone
could tell me I'm wrong and I need to do certain things to get this
unit to work.


thanks


Well duh for you.
You are supposed to figure out how to operate a high tech unit before taking
it back.
If you are the type that can't even program a VCR timer then yeah, I'd say
you made the right move.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


As a matter of fact, I do know how to program. I program in more than
10 languages, I speak 4 languages, I have AS, BS, MS degrees in
computer science and AI, and I don't consider myself a novice when it
comes to technology. In addition, I also program everything that comes
with a good manual. How would I know the unit I bought operates as it
should if the manual cannot describe a basic test to perform to see
the unit is working properly. I expected to hear some basic
frequencies when I did a search, but I could not hear anything. That's
my problem. The documentation assumes one knows all the tweaks of the
unit. I just didn't want to get in knee-deep before I know the basics
are working. I think I do understand the basics, but somehow cannot
make it work.

So here's what I did:
1) First I scanned the preprogrammed frequencies, but scanner didn't
stop at any frequency.
2) Then I played with the squelch (didn't know what it was for,
neither wasn't explained anywhere, neither wasn't pointed out what
level to sit it to), so I put is in the middle
3) then did scan again, didn't matter. No conversations anywhere.
4) Then I reset the scanner.
5) then I did a search for frequencies. Found 1 or 2 frequencys, one
was probably a PD, which only tracked a dispatch every few minutes, no
real conversations going on. The other one I found during a search was
a boater or so.
6) I live in the middle of the action, but wasn't able to find
anything
7) I drove around, tried close calls, etc...nothing ...
8) I did try the FM radio, that seemed to work
9) I assumed either the unit was not working properly or the whole
scanning thing must be really boring since I only here a dispatcher
once every 5 minutes talking for 2 seconds,
10) I also entered some of my area's frequencies found on
radioreference.com, but they were dead as well.

So, obviously I am missing something

Maybe the squelch wasn't set correctly. Still don't know what it does
exactly. I read most people set it to either 1 or 2. If there's 15
settings for it, why would most people set it to either 1 or 2?
shouldn't be somehwere average around 7, so one can go both ways?

Thanks :)


labtech_one June 12th 07 10:54 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
Quick suggestion ......

IF you go back and buy another one, get on Uniden's site
and download any firmware updates ( and the program to
update the scanner ) and also grab the FREE ( good price )
software they have for the radio, setup is pretty easy and straight
forward ..... as long as you have a TRUE serial port on your
computer, USB to serial convertors some (most) times DO NOT WORK
right.

You'll spend a day or so just figuring out what to do within the software,
but it makes programming the radio MUCH easier, since you don't have
TONS of putton presses, and you can see what your doing in a "spread
sheet" type enviroment.

There are numerous sites that have frequency and trunking information,
( talk groups, Logical Channel Numbers, etc ) on them. The software
ALLOWS you to copy & paste from web pages, which makes it even easier.

Join Yahoo's "BCD396T" Group, and there is dozens of files in there, of
programmed systems you can download and use. ( If the system you WANT
is not there, down load a few anyway and load them in to see what the other
people have done ( give you an idea how to set up systems )

The BCD396T & BCD996T ( same radio different package - handheld/mobile)
are GREAT radios, I am always finding something new to do with mine, or
how to use a feature I didn't know what to do with the first time around.

Be patient, it does get frustrating because the radio does SO much its
overwhelming
at first. Litle by little however it all starts to make sense.

Guess that wasn't such a 'quick' suggestion :o)


wrote in message
oups.com...
Maybe you should have ASKED how to use it BEFORE
returning it ...... seems pointless to ask things now.


As I mentioned, nobody knew anything about it at Fry's. I asked the
whole department, but nobody who knew anything. If I knew the unit was
good I would have put more time and effort in it. The manual doesn't
provide any basic setup steps. Goes rimmediately into describing the
systems: trunking, digital, etc... I did experiment for almost half a
day. No luck. I did read the manual from the beginning, but very
vague. No explanations except for the simple things like volume
control and how to charge it. All preprogrammed systems where pretty
much useless to my area..

next time, try reading the manual ( completely), look up
frequency information ( on line or in books ), experiment
a little ( if you program something wrong, you didn't really
do any damage ), and then ASK questions BEFORE you
return it.

These new scanners are not plug and play, they are getting
quite sofisticated, and you actually have to learn about all
the new technology ( being used in the scanner and about
the systems they are trying to receive )


I understand now. I'll give it another try.

Thanks.




Dan Conti June 12th 07 11:07 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
Spend the extra money and buy the BUTEL software for the 396.

You can then download systems directly from Radio Reference along with
conventional frequencies now as well, right into the 296. No fuss, no muss.

It's a breeze, and well worth the $$$...

Dan
On Jun 11, 3:55 pm, "Dave Ferguson" wrote:

wrote in message

groups.com...






Hi,


Bought a bcd396t last weekend and was really excited about scanning.
Never owned one or new anything about it. I turned it on and cleared
all memory first, since my area didn't seem to be pre-programmed. I
live in Bay Point CA, 94565. Sat outside my house to see what was
going on on a Saturday night. I did an automatic search for police
activity and had one or two frequencies that gave me some messages
every once in a while. Was hard to understand too by the way


Is this all there is to it, or should it be more exciting? I expected
more action on a Saturday night, especially in my area, but all I got
was a message every once in a while. Or should I not use the automatic
search, because it doesn't work properly?


Is the automatic search able to find all different frequencies, like
trunking, conventional, etc...?


I guess I'm confused because it didn't give me the action I was hoping
for.


I returned the unit on sunday...very disappointed, but maybe someone
could tell me I'm wrong and I need to do certain things to get this
unit to work.


thanks


You had a very powerful scanner in your hands. I blame the person you
bought it from for not showing you how to use it or at least program local
agencies in it.

Scanning is a great hobby but it's not a turn it on and listen kind of
thing. You have to do some research of your area. A great place to start
iswww.radioreference.com . They have the most extensive database for
police/fire/rescue . I looked up Bay Point, CA and see it's in Contra Costa
County. Here's a listing for that county:http://www.radioreference.com/module...me=RR&ctid=189.

As you were scanning you were probably picking up bits and pieces of a
"trunked" system. You can listen to it but it's hard to follow if you don't
have your scanner set properly to listen to a trunked system. Here are
the basics of a "trunked" system.http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Trunking

Hope you reconsider.
Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



I bought it at Fry's, but nobody there who knew anything about it.
When bought it, I had already looked at the website you mentioned,
and entered the frequencies for police for my city. Every once in a
while I could here someone talking for 1 or two seconds, but it seems
that I should have heard much more than just a dispatcher going back
and force only a few times an hour. Also, I found only 2 channels when
I did the automatic search . I would expect to find much more. This
was around 11 PM. I would still expect airplaines, Fire department,
etc...I'm in the middle between two cities here(less than 2 miles), so
there should be lots of stuff going on.

How would one be able to program a trunking system then if the search
is only for Convetional? also, I'm not sure if my PD uses digital or
not. Is the search able to auto-detect digital as well?

The user's manual that came with it is probably the worst manual I've
ever read. Only today I found out about squelch. The manual said to
set the squelch, but it didn't explain what squelch was and what to
set it to. So, I put it in the middle when I tried the scanner and
left it there.

I would love to give it another try, but I am very sceptical now
unless I can see somebody show it to me in my area...


Dan Conti June 12th 07 11:09 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
You paid $580.00 for a USED 396????

I am in the wrong business...

Dan

Dave Ferguson[_2_] June 12th 07 11:41 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 


Maybe the squelch wasn't set correctly. Still don't know what it does
exactly. I read most people set it to either 1 or 2. If there's 15
settings for it, why would most people set it to either 1 or 2?
shouldn't be somehwere average around 7, so one can go both ways?

Thanks :)


I turn the squelch down on mine to where I hear static. Then turn it up
slightly where you don't hear the static. At this setting you should hear
any sounds above the static level. If you don't want to hear weak signals
from far away turn the squelch up more and you will only pick up the
stronger signals.

I have the Pro-96 handeld from Radio Shack and I am thoroughly happy with
it. The base station is the Pro-2096. If you get one of these I recommend
getting Don Starr's Win96 software to program these guys:
http://www.starrsoft.com/ . This, with a programming cable from RS helps
programming the radio a breeze.

You should start seeing the Pro-96 going on sale because there is an updated
radio coming out soon to replace it. I suspect that radios will be selling
for around $350-$400 to get rid of stock.

Dave



[email protected] June 13th 07 01:05 AM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
I did indeed look at the software beforehand and it looks nice. I just
wanted to make sure I could do some basics things, just to enjoy the
evening, without spending hours gettings the software connection to
work on the computer. I would definitely not get frustrated from being
too overwhelmed. :) I just got frustrated because the basic simple
thing didn't work.

And yes, I did pay $580 for a used one. I know now I got ripped off
big time! I didn't think the firmware would solve my problem. It
rarely ever does, normally only fixes some rarely used features or
improves a little here or there. But it would have been worth a try.

So, right now I'm thinking about getting a new one instead of used and
probably pay much less and maybe get a bundle with the software you
guys mentioned.

Thanks so much, I'm really hopefull this time.

Michel


Paul Hirose June 13th 07 03:20 AM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
wrote in message
oups.com...
As I mentioned, nobody knew anything about it at Fry's. I asked the
whole department, but nobody who knew anything. If I knew the unit
was
good I would have put more time and effort in it. The manual doesn't
provide any basic setup steps. Goes rimmediately into describing the
systems: trunking, digital, etc... I did experiment for almost half
a


You can't expect the people at a big box electronics store to be
knowledgeable about scanners. These are not like computers. They're a
tiny part of the market. You aren't likely to find a
knowledgeable geek at the store or living a few houses down the
street.

The Radio Shack and Bearcat scanner manuals I've seen are dreadful.
They're fairly complete, but the information is badly organized. It's
fortunate that I have a background in electronics. I feel sorry for
newbies who don't have that advantage.

It just happens that I have the BCD396T manual on my computer, since
I've been thinking about buying one. Reading that manual is no walk in
the park, even for somebody with experience in the hobby. The 396 is a
marvelously advanced scanner, but when you combine its sophistication,
and the poor manual, and a scanning novice, the result will probably
be trouble. With a good deal of determination, I believe you could
eventually learn it, though.

The web is a good resource, but take the info with a grain of salt.
For example, I just went to the radioreference.com site and looked up
my county. Maybe a third of the listed freqs are any good at all where
I live.
Some of the info is outdated, but much of it's probably correct. Just
because a freq is used *somewhere* in the county, doesn't mean it's
audible *everywhere* in
county.

When your search did pick some traffic, did you stop,
monitor that frequency for awhile, and (if it was interesting) put
that frequency in a channel? Once you have some channels loaded,
switch from search mode to scan mode. Now the scanner checks only
those channels. You get a lot more action because the scanner isn't
wasting time checking all possible frequencies.

What part of the frequency spectrum did you search? If you simply
search the full range of the scanner, it'll spend a lot of time
tediously plowing through freqs where there's little to be found. Most
of the good stuff is in the 148-174 and 450-512 MHz bands (or maybe
450-470, since I think 470-512 has TV in some areas).

--
Paul Hirose
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BDK[_2_] June 13th 07 06:21 AM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
In article ,
says...
You paid $580.00 for a USED 396????

I am in the wrong business...

Dan


You got that right.

People buy **** all the time for insane prices. I've had friends buy
Icom, Kenwood, and Yaesu, etc "OEM" batteries for 2 or 4 times what a
replacement should and does cost without the name on it. Where I work
they bought telephone headsets for twice what I found them for online.

Even now, they still buy stuff for insane prices without checking first.
I told the big boss I could save a ton of money if he made me the online
buying agent. I would make the actual purchases, and would get a salary,
or a base plus 10% of what I saved off the prices from the place they
buy everything now. If I had that base plus 10%, I would have made 100
grand last year, easy.

I don't know why they never took me up on it!

They still buy almost everything from some really high priced place
online, or a local place that's just as bad, if they need it right away.
Yet they cry about the electric bills no end. I really don't get it.

BDK


rob June 16th 07 11:56 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
On Jun 11, 9:19 am, wrote:
Hi,

Bought a bcd396t last weekend and was really excited about scanning.
Never owned one or new anything about it. I turned it on and cleared
all memory first, since my area didn't seem to be pre-programmed. I
live in Bay Point CA, 94565. Sat outside my house to see what was
going on on a Saturday night. I did an automatic search for police
activity and had one or two frequencies that gave me some messages
every once in a while. Was hard to understand too by the way

Is this all there is to it, or should it be more exciting? I expected
more action on a Saturday night, especially in my area, but all I got
was a message every once in a while. Or should I not use the automatic
search, because it doesn't work properly?

Is the automatic search able to find all different frequencies, like
trunking, conventional, etc...?

I guess I'm confused because it didn't give me the action I was hoping
for.

I returned the unit on sunday...very disappointed, but maybe someone
could tell me I'm wrong and I need to do certain things to get this
unit to work.

thanks



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BCD396T


Travis Jordan June 23rd 07 09:50 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
wrote in message:
I entered the following frequencies in my scanner but heard
nothing:
Frequency Input License Type Tone CH Description Mode
460.15000 465.15000 KLP745 BMRF 127.3 PL 1 Dispatch FM
460.25000 465.25000 KLP745 BMRF 127.3 PL 2 Secondary FM
460.55000 465.55000 WPKV955 BMRF 127.3 PL 3 Tactical FM
154.71000 155.67000 KMC308 F 123.0 PL CLERS Diablo FM


According to radioreference.com it looks like Contra Costa county sheriff
(on VHF, not UHF) provides services to Baypoint and uses the East dispatch
channel. Try 155.19 with PL of 136.5.

155.19000 155.64000 KMA371 MR 136.5 PL 3 East FM

http://radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&aid=707



Travis Jordan June 23rd 07 10:02 PM

BCD396T Piece of junk or am I missing something?
 
wrote in message
ups.com...

So, right now I'm thinking about getting a new one instead of used and
probably pay much less and maybe get a bundle with the software you
guys mentioned.


Given where you live for listening to public safety you don't need a digital
scanner or even a trunking radio (although I would recommend you get a radio
capable of trunking in case you want to listen to a trunked system in the
future). I second the suggestion that you visit Scanners Unlimited in San
Carlos and talk to a knowledgeable salesperson about the equipment that
would work well for you. For fixed station use consider the Uniden BCT-8 or
BCT-15, plus a good quality discone antenna. Hopefully Scanners Unlimited
has a better antenna selection than they show on their web site. If not, go
elsewhere. Don't spend more than about $250 for the radio and another $50
or so for the antenna and 50' feedline.

http://www.grove-ent.com/unidenscanners.html
http://www.grove-ent.com/ANT5.html




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