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Robert11 November 29th 03 04:54 PM

Coax Question
 
Hello:

Question on Coax.

I am presently using a 50 foot run of 50 ohm coax to my scanner.

It's the 0.4 inch low-loss diameter stuff (I think LMR 400), and I wanted to
add a short length of
a coax between this cable and the scanner to remove the strain on the
radio's connector due to the stiffness of
the LMR 400.

All I can find pre-assembled with BNC's is 75 ohm RG59.

It's about a 3 ft length.

a. Think the 3 ft radio-to-75 ohm patch cable, then to the 50 ohm main
cable will cause any "meaningful" loss
due to the Z mismatch ?

b. Would I have been better off using a 3 foot RG58 (50 ohm) patch cable,
even though the RG58 is really lossy around 1 GHz ?

Thanks,
Bob


ootman1 November 30th 03 12:30 AM

Radio shack has some solderless bnc connectors for rg59 cable they are
easy to install and seem to work fine

"Robert11" wrote in message
...
Hello:

Question on Coax.

I am presently using a 50 foot run of 50 ohm coax to my scanner.

It's the 0.4 inch low-loss diameter stuff (I think LMR 400), and I wanted

to
add a short length of
a coax between this cable and the scanner to remove the strain on the
radio's connector due to the stiffness of
the LMR 400.

All I can find pre-assembled with BNC's is 75 ohm RG59.

It's about a 3 ft length.

a. Think the 3 ft radio-to-75 ohm patch cable, then to the 50 ohm main
cable will cause any "meaningful" loss
due to the Z mismatch ?

b. Would I have been better off using a 3 foot RG58 (50 ohm) patch cable,
even though the RG58 is really lossy around 1 GHz ?

Thanks,
Bob




Matt November 30th 03 03:00 AM

To the purist, you should use the same impedance cable all the way through,
however in practice, you can get away with using the small run of 75 Ohm
cable. You will incur some additional loss in the system because you are
adding in some additional connectors.
Another option is to redesign the cable run with reagrds to where it
connects to the scanner. In using cable ties you can also take the strain
away from the connector by tying the cable to the bench or cabinet that the
scanner is on.
Alternatively you could look at using a right angle connector from the cable
to the radio.
Lots of options to consider.



Matt

"Robert11" wrote in message
...
Hello:

Question on Coax.

I am presently using a 50 foot run of 50 ohm coax to my scanner.

It's the 0.4 inch low-loss diameter stuff (I think LMR 400), and I wanted

to
add a short length of
a coax between this cable and the scanner to remove the strain on the
radio's connector due to the stiffness of
the LMR 400.

All I can find pre-assembled with BNC's is 75 ohm RG59.

It's about a 3 ft length.

a. Think the 3 ft radio-to-75 ohm patch cable, then to the 50 ohm main
cable will cause any "meaningful" loss
due to the Z mismatch ?

b. Would I have been better off using a 3 foot RG58 (50 ohm) patch cable,
even though the RG58 is really lossy around 1 GHz ?

Thanks,
Bob




NetWeasel November 30th 03 06:30 AM

Yup, I've used one of these solderless connectors to put a BNC connector
onto the end of the cable of an old school magnet mount cell phone antenna.
Since the 800MHz police/fire stuff that I listen to is pretty close to the
cell phone band, I figured it would work a bit better than the stock rubber
duck (and it does seem to help reception in the car). I've been happy with
the solderless connection. It was a simple install.
-NW


Radio shack has some solderless bnc connectors for rg59 cable they are
easy to install and seem to work fine




Frank November 30th 03 10:59 AM

Matt ...

^ ... you can get away with using the small run of 75 Ohm
^ cable.

I agree.

^ You will incur some additional loss in the system because
^ you are adding in some additional connectors.

Agree, but it will probably be an unnoticeable difference.

Frank


matt weber December 3rd 03 02:16 AM

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:00:40 +1100, "Matt"
wrote:

To the purist, you should use the same impedance cable all the way through,
however in practice, you can get away with using the small run of 75 Ohm
cable. You will incur some additional loss in the system because you are
adding in some additional connectors.
Another option is to redesign the cable run with reagrds to where it
connects to the scanner. In using cable ties you can also take the strain
away from the connector by tying the cable to the bench or cabinet that the
scanner is on.
Alternatively you could look at using a right angle connector from the cable
to the radio.
Lots of options to consider.


On a stub cable length as is being proposed, the losses from the
connectors are likely to be higher then from the cable mismatch.
The loss in the Ghz Range from Coax is huge per 100 feet, but
fortunately 3 feet is only a small fraction of 100 feet.


Every impedance discontinuity is trouble, and the fewer the better.


Matt

"Robert11" wrote in message
...
Hello:

Question on Coax.

I am presently using a 50 foot run of 50 ohm coax to my scanner.

It's the 0.4 inch low-loss diameter stuff (I think LMR 400), and I wanted

to
add a short length of
a coax between this cable and the scanner to remove the strain on the
radio's connector due to the stiffness of
the LMR 400.

All I can find pre-assembled with BNC's is 75 ohm RG59.

It's about a 3 ft length.

a. Think the 3 ft radio-to-75 ohm patch cable, then to the 50 ohm main
cable will cause any "meaningful" loss
due to the Z mismatch ?

b. Would I have been better off using a 3 foot RG58 (50 ohm) patch cable,
even though the RG58 is really lossy around 1 GHz ?

Thanks,
Bob





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