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I'm about to purchase a Uniden digital scanner but I understand some police
and fire departments can block their calls from being received on a digital
scanner. Anyone know if this is true? How can you get around that?


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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:45:38 -0600, in
, Charles Duncan wrote:

I'm about to purchase a Uniden digital scanner but I understand some police
and fire departments can block their calls from being received on a digital
scanner. Anyone know if this is true? How can you get around that?

Encryption is present on some channels of the department I work for. Mostly
just the channels the narcotics folks use but I'm sure it'd be just a simple
programming job to place that on other channels.

I do know that we're able to switch the dispatch part of the channel over to
digital which stops folks from hearing us on a scanner (at least until the
EDACS ones come out). I used it last night when some officers were going up
to a house to look for a homicide suspect. I didn't want to chance they
might have a scanner in their house and hear me dispatch officers to their
address.

Dave
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I rode with a sheriff last week for a story I am covering. We discussed
scanners and how the police had to outwit the crooks.

When I asked him point blank, how many crooks had he caught that had
scanners, he could not remember a single time.

I would be interested in hearing of
any cases that crooks were caught with scanners. Do not send me anecdotal
evidence. "My brother in law heard from his second cousin that somewhere up
north..."

While I am sure that a crook somewhere did use a scanner, I would like to
quantify the reality. What was the crook charged? How was he using the
scanner etc. would be extremely helpful.

Fred Hambrecht Sr
Gilbert News
Gilbert, SC

http://gilbertnews.net

"David Casey" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:45:38 -0600, in
, Charles Duncan wrote:

I'm about to purchase a Uniden digital scanner but I understand some
police
and fire departments can block their calls from being received on a
digital
scanner. Anyone know if this is true? How can you get around that?

Encryption is present on some channels of the department I work for.
Mostly
just the channels the narcotics folks use but I'm sure it'd be just a
simple
programming job to place that on other channels.

I do know that we're able to switch the dispatch part of the channel over
to
digital which stops folks from hearing us on a scanner (at least until the
EDACS ones come out). I used it last night when some officers were going
up
to a house to look for a homicide suspect. I didn't want to chance they
might have a scanner in their house and hear me dispatch officers to their
address.

Dave
--
You can talk about us, but you can't talk without us!
US Army Signal Corps!!

http://www.geocities.com/davidcasey98
Added Patriot live fire pics from June 2002,
Bosque fire pics from June 2003, CQB training
pics from October 2003, FTX pics from October 2000,
NBC training pics from September 2000, and
Dining Out pics from October 2000!

Criminals can't afford todays expensive scanners...only us working people!

Bill Crocker


"w4jle" W4JLE(remove this to wrote in message
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I rode with a sheriff last week for a story I am covering. We discussed
scanners and how the police had to outwit the crooks.

When I asked him point blank, how many crooks had he caught that had
scanners, he could not remember a single time.

I would be interested in hearing of
any cases that crooks were caught with scanners. Do not send me anecdotal
evidence. "My brother in law heard from his second cousin that somewhere
up
north..."

While I am sure that a crook somewhere did use a scanner, I would like to
quantify the reality. What was the crook charged? How was he using the
scanner etc. would be extremely helpful.

Fred Hambrecht Sr
Gilbert News
Gilbert, SC

http://gilbertnews.net

"David Casey" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:45:38 -0600, in
, Charles Duncan wrote:

I'm about to purchase a Uniden digital scanner but I understand some
police
and fire departments can block their calls from being received on a
digital
scanner. Anyone know if this is true? How can you get around that?

Encryption is present on some channels of the department I work for.
Mostly
just the channels the narcotics folks use but I'm sure it'd be just a
simple
programming job to place that on other channels.

I do know that we're able to switch the dispatch part of the channel
over
to
digital which stops folks from hearing us on a scanner (at least until
the
EDACS ones come out). I used it last night when some officers were
going
up
to a house to look for a homicide suspect. I didn't want to chance they
might have a scanner in their house and hear me dispatch officers to
their
address.

Dave
--
You can talk about us, but you can't talk without us!
US Army Signal Corps!!

http://www.geocities.com/davidcasey98
Added Patriot live fire pics from June 2002,
Bosque fire pics from June 2003, CQB training
pics from October 2003, FTX pics from October 2000,
NBC training pics from September 2000, and
Dining Out pics from October 2000!

There was a jail break where a officer was killed in TX. The bad guys stored
handheld scanners and batteries from RadioShack, now did they get them
programmed or not I don't know.

"w4jle" W4JLE(remove this to wrote in message
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I rode with a sheriff last week for a story I am covering. We discussed
scanners and how the police had to outwit the crooks.

When I asked him point blank, how many crooks had he caught that had
scanners, he could not remember a single time.

I would be interested in hearing of
any cases that crooks were caught with scanners. Do not send me anecdotal
evidence. "My brother in law heard from his second cousin that somewhere
up
north..."

While I am sure that a crook somewhere did use a scanner, I would like to
quantify the reality. What was the crook charged? How was he using the
scanner etc. would be extremely helpful.

Fred Hambrecht Sr
Gilbert News
Gilbert, SC

http://gilbertnews.net

"David Casey" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:45:38 -0600, in
, Charles Duncan wrote:

I'm about to purchase a Uniden digital scanner but I understand some
police
and fire departments can block their calls from being received on a
digital
scanner. Anyone know if this is true? How can you get around that?

Encryption is present on some channels of the department I work for.
Mostly
just the channels the narcotics folks use but I'm sure it'd be just a
simple
programming job to place that on other channels.

I do know that we're able to switch the dispatch part of the channel
over
to
digital which stops folks from hearing us on a scanner (at least until
the
EDACS ones come out). I used it last night when some officers were
going
up
to a house to look for a homicide suspect. I didn't want to chance they
might have a scanner in their house and hear me dispatch officers to
their
address.

Dave
--
You can talk about us, but you can't talk without us!
US Army Signal Corps!!

http://www.geocities.com/davidcasey98
Added Patriot live fire pics from June 2002,
Bosque fire pics from June 2003, CQB training
pics from October 2003, FTX pics from October 2000,
NBC training pics from September 2000, and
Dining Out pics from October 2000!

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:34:06 -0500, in
, w4jleremove this to reply wrote:

I rode with a sheriff last week for a story I am covering. We discussed
scanners and how the police had to outwit the crooks.

When I asked him point blank, how many crooks had he caught that had
scanners, he could not remember a single time.

I would be interested in hearing of
any cases that crooks were caught with scanners. Do not send me anecdotal
evidence. "My brother in law heard from his second cousin that somewhere up
north..."

While I am sure that a crook somewhere did use a scanner, I would like to
quantify the reality. What was the crook charged? How was he using the
scanner etc. would be extremely helpful.

I'm not saying all the bad guys use it, but it's better to be safe than
sorry when you're trying to catch someone who is responsible for the deaths
of his wife and 15-month old kid in a fire they set. You never know when
the officers go knocking on that door if the guy inside heard you dispatch
them there and is waiting with a shotgun or took off before they arrived
there.

Dave
--
You can talk about us, but you can't talk without us!
US Army Signal Corps!!

http://www.geocities.com/davidcasey98
Added Patriot live fire pics from June 2002,
Bosque fire pics from June 2003, CQB training
pics from October 2003, FTX pics from October 2000,
NBC training pics from September 2000, and
Dining Out pics from October 2000!

If they use encryption you can decode if you find a member of the department
who is willing to give up the code?

"Never anonymous Bud" wrote in message
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While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "Charles Duncan"
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I'm about to purchase a Uniden digital scanner but I understand some
police
and fire departments can block their calls from being received on a
digital
scanner. Anyone know if this is true?

No, that's not true.

They can use encryption, which you can't decode, but few do.




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"Charles Duncan" wrote in message
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If they use encryption you can decode if you find a member of the
department
who is willing to give up the code?

Might be unlikely. if the code was given up, the citizens would know where
the cops go for a donut.

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 06:35:25 GMT, in news:NwqNb.14498$wf1.8349@edtnps89,
Paul Keenleyside wrote:

If they use encryption you can decode if you find a member of the
department who is willing to give up the code?

Might be unlikely. if the code was given up, the citizens would know where
the cops go for a donut.

Not to mention that encryption is more than just a "code".

Dave
--
You can talk about us, but you can't talk without us!
US Army Signal Corps!!

http://www.geocities.com/davidcasey98
Added Patriot live fire pics from June 2002,
Bosque fire pics from June 2003, CQB training
pics from October 2003, FTX pics from October 2000,
NBC training pics from September 2000, and
Dining Out pics from October 2000!

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:23:53 -0600, "Charles Duncan"
wrote:

If they use encryption you can decode if you find a member of the department
who is willing to give up the code?

Cops' don't know the code.

It's set by the radio techs with a key loader.

also depends on the system and radio. If you aren't on the "good guy"
list, then your radio won't be recognized by the system and won't
receive decoded messages.

Oh, and not to mention that it's also a FEDERAL FELONY under ECPA.

A Radio Shack manager told me that the Radio Shack digital scanner, $499.99,
will decode any encrypted transmission. I asked what it had that others
didn't and he said "just the way their made".???


"The Orchardist" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:23:53 -0600, "Charles Duncan"
wrote:

If they use encryption you can decode if you find a member of the
department
who is willing to give up the code?

Cops' don't know the code.

It's set by the radio techs with a key loader.

also depends on the system and radio. If you aren't on the "good guy"
list, then your radio won't be recognized by the system and won't
receive decoded messages.

Oh, and not to mention that it's also a FEDERAL FELONY under ECPA.




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Charles Duncan ...

^ A Radio Shack manager told me that the Radio Shack digital
^ scanner, $499.99, will decode any encrypted transmission.

You've been misinformed. A digital receiver will convert (decode) a digital
signal to expose the content, often analog audio. But if the content, perhaps
analog audio, has been encrypted, then you're left something useless to you.

This message will be encoded by my newsreader and encoded further by the
sockets interface, then it will be decoded by any computer receiving it. If I
were to encrypt this message before sending it, perhaps with PGP, it would
still be twice encoded and decoded and you would be left with an encrypted
message that is useless to you.

The receiver you refer to cannot decode all types of digital information and
it cannot decrypt anything.

Frank

Yep, he is a confirmed ****** then. Still, I guess that you cannot expect
the useless brain deads that work in shops like that to know much. It will
allow you to monitor some of the digital signals (but definitely NOT all of
them), however it will not and cannot decode encrypted communications. The
****** seems to be severely confused between digital signals, and
encryption.
Still, what else can you expect I guess - not much chance of trying to
explain the difference to the brain dead, so I guess that you didn't bother
(these days I wouldn't - I have given up)




Matt

"Charles Duncan" wrote in message
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A Radio Shack manager told me that the Radio Shack digital scanner,
$499.99,
will decode any encrypted transmission. I asked what it had that others
didn't and he said "just the way their made".???


"The Orchardist" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:23:53 -0600, "Charles Duncan"
wrote:

If they use encryption you can decode if you find a member of the
department
who is willing to give up the code?

Cops' don't know the code.

It's set by the radio techs with a key loader.

also depends on the system and radio. If you aren't on the "good guy"
list, then your radio won't be recognized by the system and won't
receive decoded messages.

Oh, and not to mention that it's also a FEDERAL FELONY under ECPA.




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A Radio Shack manager told me that the Radio Shack digital scanner,
$499.99,
will decode any encrypted transmission. I asked what it had that others
didn't and he said "just the way their made".???

He's a moron. It's just the way they're made.

Oh, and not to mention that it's also a FEDERAL FELONY under ECPA.


Oh, and not to mention that it's also a FEDERAL FELONY under ECPA.


how can it be a federal felony under the ECPA when you're liscened to listen to
it???

It was in the newspaper here some years ago, (but the ECPA was already in
effect then also) that the local police department here was going to use such
encryption full-time where the public can't hear them on their scanners unless
they're liscened by the local police department to do so. for a fee, of course
that the individuals of the public who want to listen have to pay the police
department to do so.

The paper did report something about the police saying that background checks
would be done to make sure the individuals of the public applying to listen
aren't criminals, and that only members of the public who aren't criminals
would be given a liscence to listen and the readio equipment needed to listen
(provided by the police department for a monthly fee to listen).

and yes, this is in the U.S. and was reported way before 9-11 ever happened, so
it's NOT because of homeland security or the patriot act.

yet according to you, the police giving you the radio equipment to listen to
them and charging you a monthly fee for you to listen to them, that the police
giving you permission to listen to them, and then yoou do under permission
from them is illegal under the ECPA act according to you, even though the
police give you a liscence to listen also.