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RF-Hacker fun with the drive-thru window
"Dave Hall" wrote:
If I was standing on the street, and you walked up to me, are you not permitted to make whatever comment you see fit? There is this thing called the 1st amendment...... So why should it be any different through a radio? (snip) There are limits to free speech, Dave. In this case, the answer would be no if the comments were slanderous, defamatory, racist, or done in a threatening or harassing manner. Making unwelcomed comments about a person's appearence (especially when transmitted over the public airways) could be considered harassment, and I doubt the First Amendment would protect such actions. That depends. If the business was employing FCC part 15 radio gear, then they can expect no protection from interference. (snip) That addresses normal interference, not the intentional act of malicious interference. Malicious interference is a violation of FCC rules. And, in case you're wondering, the First Amendment would not protect a person here either - the person would not be charged for what was said, but for doing so in a manner (using equipment, etc) which violates FCC rules. Maybe. I guess it all depends on the level of malice and the effect that the disruptions had. From what I've heard, the interference consisted mostly of random insulting comments, and not necessarily jamming of the system in a way that would prevent it from working. This brings another issue into question. Some states have laws to protect the normal operations of a business - to prevent malicious interference with that. It is also possible these laws, if available, might come into play here. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
In article , Dave Hall
writes: I don't know all the pertinent details of this issue. But it's also possible that the "drive thru" system which was "hacked" ( I hate using computer terms to describe radio actions) was on the older 154 Mhz frequency band. One of those drive thru frequencies, in common use in my area, is now part of the MURS allocation. Since MURS radios are legal to be used, the only possible infraction that the FCC could bring in this case, would be deliberate interference. Only true if Burger King was using a MURS frequency, which I doubt. All the Burger Kings I have found (those which have not yet migrated to 900Mhz) are on 154.515 or 154.540Mhz. Neither of these are MURS frequencies. Both are licensed business radio service frequencies. |
"Dinque Dau" wrote: Aw, come on. Lighten up. This thread is about frequencies used by fast food establishments and "what if". Leave it to a couple of guys to take it to the next "what if" level, i.e. legal repercussions and ensuing arguments between egos. Give it a rest, guys. I've been reading this thread since the very beginning and issues of legality were raised very early in the discussion. And, as far as I can see, our discussion of the legal issues does not hinder your ability to discuss whatever you want about this situation. So I have to respond with a request for you to "lighten up" - you discuss what you want and we'll do the same. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message . .. Blow me Roger...silly back yard lawyer. Send everything you see on usenet to the FBI. Class(or in your case classless clown) I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime. It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US. Your response is typical of what I would expect from the inmates of a prison. I'm sure you can explain it to a Judge! |
your full of crap Roger....i'm not intimidated by your "threats" you fossil.
go play with others that might be frightened by you. *I* have no reason to fear you in the least :) You just annoy people..kinda like a pimple on one's ass. "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message . .. Blow me Roger...silly back yard lawyer. Send everything you see on usenet to the FBI. Class(or in your case classless clown) I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime. It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US. Your response is typical of what I would expect from the inmates of a prison. I'm sure you can explain it to a Judge! |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message m... your full of crap Roger....i'm not intimidated by your "threats" you fossil. go play with others that might be frightened by you. *I* have no reason to fear you in the least :) You just annoy people..kinda like a pimple on one's ass. "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message . .. Blow me Roger...silly back yard lawyer. Send everything you see on usenet to the FBI. Class(or in your case classless clown) I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime. It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US. Your response is typical of what I would expect from the inmates of a prison. I'm sure you can explain it to a Judge! I made no threat, and did not try to frighten. Always remember an individual is allways responsible for the effects of what they say in public. Your continued responses will also be forwarded to the FBI, showing a total lack of concern for the law! Have a nice day! Cheers! |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message m... snipped the BS You actually expect ME to go away? Sorry! But the venom in the response said I hit a nerve! You must have something to hide! |
Hit a nerve? yeah...I'm sick and tired of you old duffers that brag about
what they did 50 years ago.If your looking for praise, keep looking. You went out with cloth covered wires and downdraft carburators. I don't have a damn thing to hide, including your stupid bragging, and what your going to send to the FBI. Roger..your a has been, old news, tolerated because we have to (to some extent).You have nothing *GOOD* to share, no information to exchange except your poor demo of dominance.I don't want to hear from an old duffer like you. Times have changed, step into the 21st century. Your still driving a '53 bel-air and watching a Muntz TV. Your nothing more than a pimple on ones ass there Roger, squeeze your head and your gone. No go watch the neighbors Mr. militia man, call the FBI daily and live in the past. Oh yeah....I hear Walgreens has "Depends" on sale and that they are the supersize...hold over 2 pounds of crap! sounds like it fits the bill for you since you try to sling it (like monkeys do)...sleep well there Roger, sleep long..sleep all day you old buzzard....Eddie "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message m... snipped the BS You actually expect ME to go away? Sorry! But the venom in the response said I hit a nerve! You must have something to hide! |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message ... Hit a nerve? yeah... Thanks for the confirmation. |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote : (snippage) Oh yeah....I hear Walgreens has "Depends" on sale and that they | are the supersize...hold over 2 pounds of crap! Cool! He won't have to leave his bunker! 73, S.L. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/04 |
Hey Mr. Goodie two Shoes.....heres a *HOT* tip...go screw with the people in
ALT.DSS.HACK. those *******s are ripping off satellite TV! and showing each other how to do it! This one is right up your alley Kojack! tell them your going to dime them off to the FBI. And go hit the bathroom..your bag is leaking and you smell bad Roger....your friend Eddie "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message ... Hit a nerve? yeah... Thanks for the confirmation. |
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message m... Hey Mr. Goodie two Shoes.....heres a *HOT* tip...go screw with the people in ALT.DSS.HACK. those *******s are ripping off satellite TV! and showing each other how to do it! This one is right up your alley Kojack! tell them your going to dime them off to the FBI. And go hit the bathroom..your bag is leaking and you smell bad Roger....your friend Eddie "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message ... Hit a nerve? yeah... Thanks for the confirmation. You really need to calm down, you'll have a stroke! With concern Roger |
NOW you have done it! Roger is dribbling in his depends. You have flared up
his rampant case of IBS and he is going to forward your post to the FBI as soon as he wakes from his nap....Eddie "OU812" wrote in message ... "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message ... For what it's worth, intercepting the radio at drive thru eateries is NOT new. I remember it going on over 7 years ago. For the most part it's a frickin riot! Carl's Jr. implimented a company directive to dispatch ALL non-essential employees to the parking lot ASAP when an "attack" occured. They were directed to look for vehicles with *BIG ANTENNAS* on them and demand ID from the occupants. Now from what *I* remember...1/4 wave antennas on 467Mhz are 5.75" and 154.570 are about 18"...HARDLY big antennas. The *LAST* thing I'm going to do is co-operate with some goomber's request to ID myself at a fast-food place, more likely to shoot him. When the RF pranksters hit, the back door looked more like someone had called the I.N.S. hahahaha. For all the times I ordered a burger with no sauce and got extra sauce, for the times I ordered chicken McNuggets and got some other crap this is VERY funny revenge. Try listening to these dumb-****s on thier "talk-around" channel..this is where they chat among themselves and NOT the window. Comments like " check out that piece of **** he is driving" or "that woman is a real beefarillo".It's like a teen-age partyline. The fools don't realize that people DO listen to their channel, mostly in disbelief. The management could listen and see whats going on, if they do it's apparant that they don't really care. Places that run a "tight ship" really show, no screwing around, orders get filled fast and RIGHT. The ones that are run by "Bozos" will be treated like "Bozos". If they are clowning around, why not the pranksters? Some tips to getting away with RF pranking...... HIDE THE TRANSCEIVER...put it in a bag or jacket pocket. USE A REMOTE MIKE...keep mike in the palm of your hand out of sight. SIT IN NEIGHBORING BIZ....they won't go into another place to look for you in there. USE HEADPHONES IF OUTDOORS....make it look like your listening to a walkman. RUN MAX POWER...high power(5-25 watts) causes the signal to bounce off all kinds of ****. Damn near impossible to get a direction unless the hunter has a damn good attenuator and a shielded RCVR. they will be chasing their tail. TELL THEM WHY THEY ARE GETTING TRASHED...this is important, tell them your tired of getting **** and not your order, or it's cold when you get it, or the place is a pig-stye. People just don't "attack" because of no reason, your doing them because you dont like the place for one reason or another. The owner might take notice and correct the wrong-doings!! Would'nt you if it was your KFC or Taco-Bell? You are right. This is nothing new but it is still fun. For a twist on this, I once discovered that the local Baptist Church had purchased several VHF HT's that worked on 154.570 and had no PLs. They would station two volunteers in the parking lot during services to act as security guards and the Pastor had another rig to keep in touch with the outside men. Now, just for conversation sake, what if a certain somebody played an adult-type .wav file over the frequency? The Pastor scrambled for his radio to shut it off and for a while actually thought one of his own men was playing the sounds. They stopped using the radios shortly after. And then there are those popular baby monitors that new parents like to place in the kids' room. They don't realize that these low power units transmit 24/7 and further, mom and dad don't realize that their love making can also be transmitted. All it takes is for one enterprising person to pick up the mic on a modified radio and say, "Hey, Dad! Stop hurting my mom!" Poor dad can quickly lose his erection and the rest of the night is shot. There are many other possibilities and your imagination is the limit. You don't spose the FBI will be interested in someone who transmits on baby monitor frequencies, do you? Roger says they are....and Roger is gonna forward these posts to Elliot Ness. I will now live in fear of wannabe cop Roger for the rest of my days. |
"OU812" wrote in message "Roger Gt" wrote in message "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message snip "Roger Gt" wrote in message "Eddie Haskel" wrote in message snipped profanity "Roger Gt" wrote in message I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime. It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US. snip I made no threat, and did not try to frighten. Always remember an individual is allways responsible for the effects of what they say in public. Your continued responses will also be forwarded to the FBI, showing a total lack of concern for the law! Have a nice day! Cheers! Yeah...like the FBI cares what you have to say. You're just another crank, nothing more, nothing less. Received confirmation of the FBI receiving the message, and a nice letter congratulating my alertness! Have a nice Day! Don't propose breaking any laws though, someone might be watching! |
Yeah..right there Roger..your quite the ****ing "Gumshoe". Well listen up
there "Block-captain" you provided (supposedly) the FBI with ZERO intelligence...you overaged, failing bladder, **** in your pants old fart. Go try to impress the 13 year olds on AOL. Maybe there you can be a "COP". Your getting stale, your bag is leaking down your leg. Your not in ANY kind of Militia, your not anything but a tired old man with nothing better to do that hide behind your keyboard and try to impress us with your goody-two-shoes acts of internet policing. You might frighten the kids, or MAYBE even the people on WEB-TV. I *KNOW* your nothing more than a loser, probably living in a retirement home or trailer. The only "GT" you are familiar with is the one on the back of your electric wheelchair. Remember to at least put your teeth in before calling the FBI and whining. It makes to poor employee that has to actually listen to you spent a little less time with you. The funny part is this, when you bitch to the GOV'T *YOUR* the one that gets checked out first! I'm sure your labeled as a crank in their files by now. At your age there Roger (see fossil) you should really concern yourself with enjoying what little time you have left on this fine earth, and focus on that instead. Your 65 years (very) old.You have maybe 5-7 years of productive life left. Try searching the internet for fun/exciting things to occupy your time and leave the "police" detail to the able ones. I'm amused at just how stupid you can be.Your not intelligent in the least, I'm certain you live alone because no woman in her right mind with put up with a worthless **** like you. Your still living in the past (ex military druid I'm sure) and thats all you got. You bring up the "Militia" like thats impressive? Thats nothing more than a $75 a week job. go away...i'm busy looking for this summers vacation on the other machine...either the Carribean or Hawaii again...Aruba might be a nice change. Make sure you have the FBI contact me before I leave for 2 weeks. That way me and the wife can laugh about you on the way there....Eddie. "Roger Gt" wrote in message om... "Roger Gt" wrote in message I always makeup a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime.I have nothing else to do.My cable TV has been shut off and I had my drivers license revolked. It is my duty as a retired member of the militia,(see loser) and as a citizen of the US. I made no threat, and did not try to frighten.(yeah right) Always remember an individual is always responsible for the effects of what they say in public. Your continued responses will also be forwarded to the FBI, showing a total lack of fear for Roger Gt Have a nice day! Cheers (thats classy hahaha) Received confirmation of the FBI receiving the message, and a nice letter congratulating my wasting of official government time! Have a nice Day! Don't propose breaking any laws though, Roger Gt might be watching! There are dozens of people who monitor the Internet (jerks like me) for anything looking like a threat. I just was willing to inform someone it is not wise. But I also did my duty to provide the FBI with little intelligence. If you do not propose a crime, or support the commission of a crime, there is nothing to worry about. You are unlikely to show up in a pattern match search for more attention.( like he is some kind of authority) If I'm a cranky old ****, so be it! But I'm good company! Always looking for potential problems is the prize of being Roger Gt! Sleep well, your being whined over! PS: Yea - I get it. But I'm being a jerk! |
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:17:17 GMT, "Eddie Haskel"
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell: Yeah..right there Roger..your quite the ****ing "Gumshoe". Well listen up there "Block-captain" you provided (supposedly) the FBI with ZERO You are both idiots, and should be made into soap and candle wax. -- V.G. "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it is easier to harrass rich women than it is motorcycle gangs." - Bumper Sticker (This sig file contains not less than 80% recycled SPAM) Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield. |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Dave Hall wrote:
Local Law enforcement can charge them with "Malicious mischief" or other related infractions due to the intervention of these transmissions with the operation of someone else's business. That depends. If the business was employing FCC part 15 radio gear, then they can expect no protection from interference. People tried running businesses on CB radio years ago, and those same people had to deal with the traffic from other users, much of which could be considered "disruptive" You will find that these radio-links to the ordering menu microphone back to the food establishment are NOT part 15 but do have low power business licenses issued for exclusive allocations. Obviously, you haven't bothered to take the time to even research the truth of the situation. court issued restraining order prohibiting them from operating a radio within range of any commercial operation for the purpose of disrupting the normal operation of that business. It is done all the time with Loiters and other disruptive acts! Maybe. I guess it all depends on the level of malice and the effect that the disruptions had. From what I've heard, the interference consisted mostly of random insulting comments, and not necessarily jamming of the system in a way that would prevent it from working. Don't guess. LEARN the facts first. |
In article , "Rodney" writes:
Yes indeed! An "enterprising ham" (or anybody else) with a Yaesu Ft-2400, FT-2500, or even the dual banders can clip a wire, desolder a jumper and be good to go up to and above 164 mhz. 164? That's nothin! Alinco handhelds go all the way to 174. For instance. It is all too easy to modify one of these rigs to transmit on 154, 155, or higher freqs. All one needs is an antenna that handles these frequencies without causing the protection circuit to dump the radio. A Rad Shack discone is one such antenna.... Better yet: an antenna cut to resonance. Since 154Mhz is a popular business frequency, antennas designed to transmit here are inexpensive and easy-to-find. |
While amateur equipment is capable of operating as you suggest, it is no
more likely that you commiting rape because you have the equipment. Hams have a license to loose if they partake in such nonsense. "SouthDakotaRadio" wrote in message ... In article , "Rodney" writes: Yes indeed! An "enterprising ham" (or anybody else) with a Yaesu Ft-2400, FT-2500, or even the dual banders can clip a wire, desolder a jumper and be good to go up to and above 164 mhz. 164? That's nothin! Alinco handhelds go all the way to 174. For instance. It is all too easy to modify one of these rigs to transmit on 154, 155, or higher freqs. All one needs is an antenna that handles these frequencies without causing the protection circuit to dump the radio. A Rad Shack discone is one such antenna.... Better yet: an antenna cut to resonance. Since 154Mhz is a popular business frequency, antennas designed to transmit here are inexpensive and easy-to-find. |
In article , "W4JLE" w4jle(remove to
writes: While amateur equipment is capable of operating as you suggest, it is no more likely that you commiting rape because you have the equipment. Hams have a license to loose if they partake in such nonsense. Are you telling me that it's unusual for hams to operate (illegaly) out-of-band? (Trying to stop choking from uncontrollable fits of laughter.) Consider the number of hams who use their dual-banders on the FRS and GMRS channels...or the number of hams who use their HF rigs on the CB band. I would dare say that *most* hams partake in such behavior at least occasionally. Not condoning it, just stating that it does happen...and happens frequently. |
Likely some of the new no code types that can't give up there 11 meter ways.
Let me re-phrase, no REAL ham would do it. "SouthDakotaRadio" wrote in message ... In article , "W4JLE" w4jle(remove to writes: While amateur equipment is capable of operating as you suggest, it is no more likely that you commiting rape because you have the equipment. Hams have a license to loose if they partake in such nonsense. Are you telling me that it's unusual for hams to operate (illegaly) out-of-band? (Trying to stop choking from uncontrollable fits of laughter.) Consider the number of hams who use their dual-banders on the FRS and GMRS channels...or the number of hams who use their HF rigs on the CB band. I would dare say that *most* hams partake in such behavior at least occasionally. Not condoning it, just stating that it does happen...and happens frequently. |
Funny that - know of more than the odd "real" hams who use their amateur
gear on out of band frequencies - and yes they hold the VK equivalent of an exra class licence, and I know of US amateurs (amongst many others) who have come here to VK who have used their amateur gear on out of band allocations - be it HF or VHF/UHF. I suggest that the licence class or whether they have passed a CW test has absolutely no bearing on amateurs behaviour or likelyhood to use amateur gear out of the allocated bands. Matt "W4JLE" w4jle(remove to wrote in message ... Likely some of the new no code types that can't give up there 11 meter ways. Let me re-phrase, no REAL ham would do it. "SouthDakotaRadio" wrote in message ... In article , "W4JLE" w4jle(remove to writes: While amateur equipment is capable of operating as you suggest, it is no more likely that you commiting rape because you have the equipment. Hams have a license to loose if they partake in such nonsense. Are you telling me that it's unusual for hams to operate (illegaly) out-of-band? (Trying to stop choking from uncontrollable fits of laughter.) Consider the number of hams who use their dual-banders on the FRS and GMRS channels...or the number of hams who use their HF rigs on the CB band. I would dare say that *most* hams partake in such behavior at least occasionally. Not condoning it, just stating that it does happen...and happens frequently. |
actually, better than pranking them (which lets them know you or someone else
is listening) is to just listen secretly so that you might be able to secretly find out if one of the employess spit in your drink or not. (or did something else to your food). While the following item is not scanner related, it does have to do with this thread and was reported in the newspapers and on tv here some time ago. I think last year (2003). A MCDonald's employee was spitting into customers' soft drinks (without the customers' knowing) when and because the customers' ordered the soft drinks with "no ice". among doing other similar nasty stuff to the customers' drinks and food. somehow, some customers found out and complained (several different customers. A BUNCH of customers complained. I think she was arrested (although I don't remember if she was arrested or not. She was definitely fired though. so now, I prefer to secretly listen rather than telling anyone anything. |
on't know all the pertinent details of this issue. But it's also
possible that the "drive thru" system which was "hacked" ( I hate using computer terms to describe radio actions) was on the older 154 Mhz frequency band. One of those drive thru frequencies, in common that's pretty much what I was going to say also. that I don't know the frequency he broadcast on, but it might be one of the MURS frequencies. And there are some businesses operating on MURS frequencies. And it's perfectly legal for anyone to broadcast on MURS frequencies liscence-free within the legal power limits. I know that some of the fast food drive throughs in my area operate in the VHF Hi band somewhere in the 150 through 159 MHZ. It might or might not be on the MURS frequencies. but they did seem to be in the specific MHZ range thattyou mentioned, if I remember correctly. |
re not random interference which would require the business to
tolerate them, they are intentional attacks upon the customers of the business intended to do harm! Local Law enforcement can charge them with "Malicious mischief" ah, but what if this is the scenario??? If the Burger King is operating on a Murs frequency, and if the prankster just happens to live in a house close to that particular Burger King where reception of the drive through is possible within his house, and he's legally transmitting on a MURS frequecy from his home? |
This reminds me of the time that I was accused of malicious interference (which
I was not doing) for legally transmitting on CB channel 14. During the time that a fairgrounds here held it's annual fair, I happened to be driving by it while talking on the CB in my car on CB channel 14 (back then, commonly used by kids' walkies talkies also and maany other part 15 devices) and someone operating the fair told me that I was illegaly transmitting on a frequency that was reserved only for the business operations of the fairground. They did admit that it was CB channel 14, but told me (through the radio) that CB channel 14 was reserved only for the business operations of that fair in that area, and that I was illegally interfering with it by talking on CB channel 14. I should add that this was in the days after the FCC had already ruled that liscence-free CB operation was perfectly legal. And my CB was at or under the legal power limits. (no modifications). The fair just happened to be using the very common frequency of CB channel 14 since back then, those CB channel 14 devices were very cheap and very common since they were then commonly used by part 15 devices. |
he Radio use was not the point, and the discussion depicting the crime as a
prank was ill-conceived. The company was damaged and the customers disturbed. Do you defend such anti social acts? oh. so you think I'm anti-social because I innocently talked on CB channel 14 in the 80's (operating without a liscence on those frequencies was permitted back then also) and just happened to interfere with the business operations of the annual fair at the fairgrounds that happened to use the same CB channel for their business operations and they accused me of innterfering with their business operations for transmitting on their business channel of CB channel 14 (even though there wasn't anyone talking on the channel when I transmitted. It was after they heard me say something that they knew I was on their "business channel of CB channel 14" and accused me of malicious interference with their business operations of the fair." By the way, back then, one of the school systems' around here had ALL of their school bus drivers business operations assigned to one of the CB channels. I didn't get accused of interfering with that one, as far as I remember, but that school system olater eventualy moved to other frequencies that were and are indeed frequencies reserved for either only business or government ot something like that. |
what about this scenario??? I'm sure this has happened before (although it
wasn't me. honestly, it wasn't me). What about all the fast food pranksters not using a radio? I'm talking about the people who drive up to the drive through menu board in their car, then order a bunch of food, and then instead of driving the rest of the way through the drive through, they simply pull out and drive away, so that the car behind them gets charged for all of the food that they ordered that the car behind them did not order. |
ople tried
running businesses on CB radio years ago, and those same people had to deal with the traffic from othe ah, someone else who remembers when people tried running businesses on CB radios!!! I was afraid that none of the other posters here were going to believe my CB stories, which I know for a fact did indeed happen. And I just ran across your post now. As I said, a school syatem around here tried to run their bus drivers' business communications on CB radio. And I was accused of illegally transmitting on the county fair's business frequency of CB channel 14. ople tried running businesses on CB radio years ago, and those same people had to deal with the traffic from othe |
rom what I've heard, the interference
consisted mostly of random insulting comments, and not necessarily jamming of the system in a way that would prevent it from working. and that's exactly what happened to me with the county fair's business channel of CB channel 14. I had my CB on in my car. There was NO ONE talking on CB channel 14. I transmitted a "breaker, breaker" to talk to some one, and as soon as the operators of the fair heard me say "Breaker, Breaker", they started transmitting accusations of me illegally transmitting on their "business channel of CB channel 14" and ""causing delibirate interference to" their "business communications." It seems to me that the fast food prankster is pretty much the same thing IF he's operating on a MURS frequency and simply talking back to the customers he hears on the frequency. |
Carl's Jr. implimented a company directive to dispatch ALL
non-essential employees to the parking lot ASAP when an "attack" occured. heheheheh. I can hear my local McDonald's drive through from my house which is way down some streets from it. but my McDonald's drive through operates on a frequency that I think is illegal for any of the public to transmit on ( a UHF frequency, though now I want to look and see if it's a FRS frequency or not or some such thing). But if I could legally transmit on that frequency and IF I did from home, they would NEVER find me by looking in their parking lot. Oh, they might find me alright if I did, but they wouldn't find me by looking in their parking lot if I did that. But I prefer to just secretly listening, especially after all of the news reports last year of one certain McDonald's employee purposely spitting in customers' drinks whenever they ordered the drinks with "no ice", among doing other things to the customers' food and drinks for certain similar reasons. none of which was the customers' fault. In my opinion, the customers have the right to order their soft drinks with "no ice". And not have the employee spit in them just because they ordered them with "no ice". |
You are both idiots, and should be made into soap and candle wax. -- sounds like you've watched the old movie "House of Wax" one too many times. ;) |
Well, just like the MURS frequencies, there was a time that the CB frequencies
also required a liscence for the CB'ers to operate on (no, I'm not talking about the hams when it was a ham frequencies). Then one day, the FCC allowed anyone to operate on CB frequencies without a liscence as long as they were within the legal power limits. and then the people who were running businesses on the CB channels had to put up with interference from people simply talking on them. Now, while the MURS service never required a liscence as far as I know, the MURS frequencies did use to require a liscence when they used to be business-only frequencies. However, they are now MURS frequencies which are legal for anyone to operate on liscence free within legal power limits, just like the CB channels. by the way, the news recently rreported that the government is thinking of handing over ALL radio frequency assignments to the white house instead of the FCC!!!! as part of preventing terrorism under the "homeland security". Therefore, ALL communications frequencies might be reassigned if that happens. However, I think the news said that Congress has to approve it first for it to happen. That is, Congress has to approve that all frequency assignments are now under control and assigned by the White House (or by Congress) instead of by the FCC. What wil that do to our scanning hobby if that happens? Well, the broadcast radio and broadcast tv channels wil most likely stay the same (except for the already approved changes which haven't went into effect on-air yet (the turn-off of all analog stations at the end of 2006, beginning of 2007, and the reduction of tv channels to only channels 2 through 51 instead of the current 2 through 69. and I remember when it used to be channels 2 through 83. I always wanted to see a TV channel 83 operational. here in my area. I guess I never wil now. |
g a Taco at a Burger King window be it via the radio or
otherwise is a prank. true. As I said before, you don't even need a radio to do the prank you mentioned above. People have ordered food at drive throughs and then pulled away just as a prank so that the car behind them either gets charged for the food they didn't order or get the food they didn't order instead of the food they did order. And that would do just as much damage to the business as the original fast food prrankster that this thread was talking about. or as you say, ordering a Taco at the Burger King drive through. I did make one mistake in this post. I said you don't need a radio to do it. However, the truth is that even if you don't use your own transmitter, you are technically using a radio transmitter whenever you order at a drive through window. It just happens to be the fast food restaurant's own radio transmitter you're using whenever you order through there. so now what we have here is this situation that people in this thread are saying: If you use the businesses own transmitter, even though you don't have a business liscence to transmit on those frequencies (technically illegal under FC rrules) by ordering at the drive throughwindow, it is perfectly legal. but if you use your own transmitter on the same frequency, it's illegal, even though you're still transmitting on the same frequency just as you do when you order at the drive through window. |
Honestly, like the government doesn't have its hands in enough. Now
they need to police the drive-thru window and baby monitors? they probably will about baby monitors now after at least two of the tv stations here reported about other people you don't know being able to see and hear inside your house by using their own baby monitors in their catr and driving around to see whose houses they could see into on their baby monitors so that they could steal whatever you have in your house or know when the baby or kids are left alone and kidnap them. After at least two of the tv stations here reported thois on the news at different times , different days (maybe more stations here), I don't doubt that there might eventually be legislation passed to outlaw monitoring these frequencies ( just like cell phones and cordless phones were outlawed) although they'll ignore that technically, by just using your own baby monitor, you are technically monitoring that frequency. And if your neighbor happens to get one and uses the same frequency, you can see into their house. One of the stations reported on that situation also. They put another video baby monitor into a neighbors' house of a lady who already had one on the same frequency and showed her that when hers was turned off, she could see into her neighbor's house and vice versa, that here neighbor could see into her house on it even both monitors were in their own houses. When I got my most recent scanner, I went to listen to ham radio and ham tv frequencies in the 900 MHZ, but all I got was cordless phones. And I still haven't figured out how I can possibly stay tuned to the ham frequencies I want to listen to and watch and avoid the cordless phone calls since I don't know when the cordless phone conversations wil be over. At first, I thought that they were legal to listen to, siince they used to be legal to listen to years ago, although I don't because it's boring anyways, but now that I know it's illegal to listen to: How the heck can I legally listen to those frequencies for ham radio and ham tv statioms since if I turn the radio off when a cordless phone starts (or turn the radios chanel), I won't know when the phone convo will be over (there's no way to know) and miss the ham communications I want to listen to and watch. or else leave the radio on tuned to those channels so that I don't miss the ham radio and ham tv signals I want to see and hear, but to do so, have to leave it on when a cordless phone convo starts on those channels which is illegal to do. and then there's the little fact that ham radio and ham tv transmissions are much more powerful than part 15 radio devices and ham signals can wipe out the cordless signals at any time on the same frequency. I'm not a ham. I just like to listen. But how the heck can I legally keep scanning for ham frequencies in the 900 MHZ range when I have to either turn the radio off whenever a cordless phone starts or turn the station whenever a cordless phone starts, and then not know when the cordless phone convo is over ( not know when I can legally turn back to the frequeencies to search for ham signals or listen to ham signals on those frequencies??? |
I haven't really listened to 900 MHZ yet, although I did take a quick look up
there as I was interested in fast-scaan ham tv, (pun not intended) none of which I saw on any of the ham bands that my scanner is capaable of picking up. 400 MHZ, 90 MHZ, 1240-1300 MHZ, and 2.4 GHZ. I read that the 400 MHZ band is the most popular to see ham tv, but I also read that ham tv and ham radio transmissions are not allowed in the 400 MHZ ham band in my area of the U.S. Well, at least not a portion of it. Then after learning how to read sensitivity specs, I decided to start my scanning on the lower frequencies and go up from there, for my most recent scanner. which I will probably start seriously monitoring pretty soon. I've only just fooled around with it so far, with occasional light monitoring of various things. |
I would dare say that *most* hams partake in such behavior at least
occasionally. that is sooooo true. I know of a few particular ham radio operators in my area who are guilty of being involved in highly illegal activities and they got away with it!!!! and not just radio related stuff, but other highly ilegal activities not having anything to do with radio. And they got away with it because they were ham radio operators and knew influential people in the local courts around here and knew other influential people around the county here also. The law may say that judges have to step down when they have a "conflict of interest". However, in real life, it doesn't happen that way. In real life, the judges with "conflict of interest" stay on the bench in the cases and abuse their power. The illegal activities that I know they were guilty of happened about a decade ago. and now I know all too well about how judges abuse their power and let criminals get away with stuff and that judges with "conflict of interest" don't really step down from cases like the law says they're supposed to. I've learned all too well from those hams doing that. I have always tried to sttay on the legal side of the law. Those particular hams stayed on the illegal side of the law, and got away with it!!!!! and are still operating as ham radio operators. |
Likely some of the new no code types that can't give up there 11 meter ways.
you are wrong. These were REAL ham radio operators doing all of that higly illegal stuff, both radio-related and non-radio related. As I said, the ones I know about above happened about a decade or two decases ago. (their highly illegal activities crossed from one decadee to the other. the 80's and 90's and they are probably still at it), and that was WAY before the FCC ever passed the law that allows no-code ham radio operators. so these ham radio operators that were involved in committing highly illegal activities did indeed study the Morse Code requirements and learned it ( or else they would never have gotten the ham radio liscences that they have). These code-learned ham radio operators were involved in highly ilegal activities, both radio-related activities and non-radio related activities. and these criminals got away with it!!!!!!!!!!! Just because they knew a lot of influential people around here since they used their ham liscenes to these people as "proof that they're not criminnals since no hams would cxommit any criminal act and all hams always do only what is legal". whooo-hooo!!! What a laugh. I know MUCH better now. By the way, I'm one of those who would take the no-code liscence, but I always try to stay on the legal side of the law, unlike those paarticual code-learned hams who committed a BUNCH of HIGHLY illegal acts. so that blows your theory of no-code ham operators being the kind of hamds who would do that . And it also blows your theory of no code-learnned hams would ever commit illegal activities. |
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