Cordless Phone Conversations, Broadcast Live!
 

Hi,

About a month ago I bought a Netset 100 Pro-46 Scanner.

It's been very interesting and I've found that I can pick up a large
number of cordless phone calls in my area.

I've hooked the scanner up to a server and I'm broadcasting the
conversations live.

This scanner is located in Waterloo, ON [Canada], where it is legal
scan for phone conversations.

I've setup a Website with a Large LISTEN LIVE link on the page as well
some FAQs about the scanner and some information about the server.

Check it out:
http://waterlooscanner.zapto.org

Just click the LISTEN LIVE link at the top of the page [winamp
required] or open winamp, hit ctrl+L and type in
"waterlooscanner.zapto.org:8000".

I just thought I'd make the site and scanner a bit more public,
because it just doesn't seem fair that only my friends should be able
to enjoy all the scanner has to offer =).

Most of the time people just talk about stupid stuff, but sometime you
hear some pretty intersting things. It's suprising how much people
talk about drugs in my area after 10pm.

Enjoy! And contact me if you have any questions or comments.

- Micro

Micro wrote:

Hi,

About a month ago I bought a Netset 100 Pro-46 Scanner.

It's been very interesting and I've found that I can pick up a large
number of cordless phone calls in my area.

I've hooked the scanner up to a server and I'm broadcasting the
conversations live.

This was soooooo funny. The first conversation I heard was some guy
calling a gay sex line. Was looking for some c**k to s**k.

Thank god my cordless is 5.8Ghz, scrambled and spread spectrum. You
never know who is out there trying to listen in. The number of people
that do banking by phone without giving it a second thought. You can
build a touch tone decoder and watch the numbers come up as they access
their bank codes. Would be so easy to transfer money out of their
account, just because they are dumb enough to use a cordless phone.

Hey,

The legallity of the scanner has now been questioned and by people who
are apparently going to turn me into the Canadian FCC.

I got 2 emails today:

(1)
-----------------------------------------------
Your wrong in Canda its very ILLEGAL to do the following

1. Illegal to disclose information heard to third party
2. Illegal to make use of or divulge radio-based telephone
communication
3. Illegal to "intercept and make use of, or intercept and divulge,
any radiocommunication, except as permitted by the originator of the
communication or the person intended by the originator of the
communication to receive it" except for publicly accessible
broadcasting services

So I would advise you to change your scanner site soon before

I have to turn you in to the Canadian FCC

Scanner guy
---------------------------------

And (2):
---------------------------------
Just to let you know..

The Radiocommuniations Act (R.S. 1985) specifically prohibits
"divulgence to a third party' of intercepted radio transmissions. This
would most certainly qualify.

I'm your research I'm surprised that you haven't come across this.
Read section 9 of the Radiocommunications Act for details. (
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/R-2/ )

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SECTION 9 - RADIOCOMMUICATIONS ACT (1985)
(1.1) Except as prescribed, no person shall make use of or divulge a
radio-based telephone communication

(a) if the originator of the communication or the person intended by
the originator of the communication to receive it was in Canada when
the communication was made; and
(b) unless the originator, or the person intended by the originator to
receive the communication consents to the use or divulgence.

(2) Except as prescribed, no person shall intercept and make use of,
or intercept and divulge, any radiocommunication, except as permitted
by the originator of the communication or the person intended by the
originator of the communication to receive it.

9.1 Every person who contravenes subsection 9(1.1) or (2) is guilty of
an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable
(a) in the case of an individual, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five
thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year,
or to both; and
(b) in the case of a person other than an individual, to a fine not
exceeding seventy-five thousand dollars.
-------------------------------------

I was under the impression that it was legal in Canada. Can any of you
give me any evidence to suggest it is?

On the site for the scanner, I even had some recorded conversations -
which would probably be divulging the information.

Can anyone help me out here? I'd like to run the scanner publicly, but
I don't want to get arrested and I don't exactly have the 25K req'd
for the fine. Is there anything I could change about the site that
would make it legal? Maybe removing the recorded conversations would
be a good start.

- Jon

(1.1) Except as prescribed, no person shall make use of or divulge a
radio-based telephone communication


(a) if the originator of the communication or the person intended by
the originator of the communication to receive it was in Canada when
the communication was made;

since when does Canadian law have authority over U.S. law and U.S. citizens?

Several U.S. state laws say that it's completely legal to divulge a recording
of a telephone conversation as long as the person doing the divulging was one
of the parties involved in the call. (still illegal for scanner listeners who
are not parties to the call to divulge it).

which is why I'm concerned about the part of Canadian law saying that no person
may divulge it even if the originator of the call is outside of Canada, and
simply calling a person in Canada.

I am aware that the original poster is in Canada, as I did read the first
message.

And to him, I think they're correct. It's probably better if you take your
website down or change it. I think it is illegal in Canada, as well as the
U.S. You could probably get in serious legal trouble if you don't remove all
of the live broadcasts of phone calls and all of the recorded brodcasts of
phone calls. as that might and probably does count as "divulging" them.

It is legal to listen to them in Canada, though, unlike in the U.S.

although now that this has happened in Canada and on the internet, , I can see
that police departments in the U.S. will claim that the "live police scanner
feeds" on the internet is "divulging content" and "illegal under U.S. law" and
get them removed from the internet also.

Someone has got to find a way to set the server up in Indonesia and get the
porn sites to pay for the bandwidth! :) Just kidding!

I know one agency here in the states that encourages the streaming of their
talkgroups so people without a scanner can be on the lookout.

"Mediaguy500" wrote in message
...
I am aware that the original poster is in Canada, as I did read the first
message.

And to him, I think they're correct. It's probably better if you take your
website down or change it. I think it is illegal in Canada, as well as
the
U.S. You could probably get in serious legal trouble if you don't remove
all
of the live broadcasts of phone calls and all of the recorded brodcasts of
phone calls. as that might and probably does count as "divulging" them.

It is legal to listen to them in Canada, though, unlike in the U.S.

although now that this has happened in Canada and on the internet, , I can
see
that police departments in the U.S. will claim that the "live police
scanner
feeds" on the internet is "divulging content" and "illegal under U.S. law"
and
get them removed from the internet also.

Update:
It is infact legal to broadcast the conversations in Canada. The
people that e-mailed me were mistaken.

I guess I got worried about nothing.

So the SCANNER IS BACK UP. ENJOY.

- Jon
http://waterlooscanner.zapto.org

This sounds like those old cell phones on the trunking systems we used to
listen to before they went digital.
"Elephant" wrote in message
...
: Micro wrote:
:
: Hi,
:
: About a month ago I bought a Netset 100 Pro-46 Scanner.
:
: It's been very interesting and I've found that I can pick up a large
: number of cordless phone calls in my area.
:
: I've hooked the scanner up to a server and I'm broadcasting the
: conversations live.
:
: This was soooooo funny. The first conversation I heard was some guy
: calling a gay sex line. Was looking for some c**k to s**k.
:
: Thank god my cordless is 5.8Ghz, scrambled and spread spectrum. You
: never know who is out there trying to listen in. The number of people
: that do banking by phone without giving it a second thought. You can
: build a touch tone decoder and watch the numbers come up as they access
: their bank codes. Would be so easy to transfer money out of their
: account, just because they are dumb enough to use a cordless phone.

Micro wrote:

Update:
It is infact legal to broadcast the conversations in Canada. The
people that e-mailed me were mistaken.

I guess I got worried about nothing.

So the SCANNER IS BACK UP. ENJOY.

- Jon
http://waterlooscanner.zapto.org




I'd really be interested in your source for that since it appears to be
in clear violation of several sections of the Criminal Code of Canada.
As I'm sure you are aware there is very serious legislation regarding
all aspects of personal privacy in Canada.

You might also check what happened to the last guy in Ontario that set
up a scanner broadcast - it did get a certain amount of coverage on the
National media for the short time it survived.

I also used to believe it was legal to listen, until the privacy
provisions of the CCC were pointed out to me.

Curiously,
Dave

Micro wrote:

Hey,

The legallity of the scanner has now been questioned and by people who
are apparently going to turn me into the Canadian FCC.

I got 2 emails today:

(1)
-----------------------------------------------
Your wrong in Canda its very ILLEGAL to do the following

1. Illegal to disclose information heard to third party
2. Illegal to make use of or divulge radio-based telephone
communication
3. Illegal to "intercept and make use of, or intercept and divulge,
any radiocommunication, except as permitted by the originator of the
communication or the person intended by the originator of the
communication to receive it" except for publicly accessible
broadcasting services

So I would advise you to change your scanner site soon before

I have to turn you in to the Canadian FCC

Scanner guy
---------------------------------

And (2):
---------------------------------
Just to let you know..

The Radiocommuniations Act (R.S. 1985) specifically prohibits
"divulgence to a third party' of intercepted radio transmissions. This
would most certainly qualify.

I'm your research I'm surprised that you haven't come across this.
Read section 9 of the Radiocommunications Act for details. (
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/R-2/ )

----

SECTION 9 - RADIOCOMMUICATIONS ACT (1985)
(1.1) Except as prescribed, no person shall make use of or divulge a
radio-based telephone communication

(a) if the originator of the communication or the person intended by
the originator of the communication to receive it was in Canada when
the communication was made; and
(b) unless the originator, or the person intended by the originator to
receive the communication consents to the use or divulgence.

(2) Except as prescribed, no person shall intercept and make use of,
or intercept and divulge, any radiocommunication, except as permitted
by the originator of the communication or the person intended by the
originator of the communication to receive it.

9.1 Every person who contravenes subsection 9(1.1) or (2) is guilty of
an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable
(a) in the case of an individual, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five
thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year,
or to both; and
(b) in the case of a person other than an individual, to a fine not
exceeding seventy-five thousand dollars.
-------------------------------------

I was under the impression that it was legal in Canada. Can any of you
give me any evidence to suggest it is?

On the site for the scanner, I even had some recorded conversations -
which would probably be divulging the information.

Can anyone help me out here? I'd like to run the scanner publicly, but
I don't want to get arrested and I don't exactly have the 25K req'd
for the fine. Is there anything I could change about the site that
would make it legal? Maybe removing the recorded conversations would
be a good start.

- Jon


It's not the 25K under the RADIOCOMMUICATIONS ACT, It's the 5K per
person intercepted under the Criminal Code that hurts.

Dave

Could you elaborate on your position of legality.
Do you have a statement from Industry Canada?
Perhaps you do. That would be interesting.

My interpretation of:

"Except as prescribed, no person shall intercept and make use of, or
intercept and divulge, any radiocommunication, except as permitted by
the originator of the communication or the person intended by the
originator of the communication to receive it."

is that you are 'intercepting' and 'making use of'.

On 14 Jul 2004 14:43:28 -0700, (Micro) wrote:

Update:
It is infact legal to broadcast the conversations in Canada. The
people that e-mailed me were mistaken.

I guess I got worried about nothing.

So the SCANNER IS BACK UP. ENJOY.

- Jon
http://waterlooscanner.zapto.org

--
The letter 'Q' has been added to my otherwise valid email address for spam protection.
To email me please remove the 'Q'.

Jesus, who cares? If this guy wants to do something let him do it.

Does everyone in the newsgroups have to be a crybaby tattle tale?

"Oh no! He's doing something that MIGHT be illegal!!!!"

"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...

Micro wrote:

Update:
It is infact legal to broadcast the conversations in Canada. The
people that e-mailed me were mistaken.

I guess I got worried about nothing.

So the SCANNER IS BACK UP. ENJOY.

- Jon
http://waterlooscanner.zapto.org




I'd really be interested in your source for that since it appears to be
in clear violation of several sections of the Criminal Code of Canada.
As I'm sure you are aware there is very serious legislation regarding
all aspects of personal privacy in Canada.

You might also check what happened to the last guy in Ontario that set
up a scanner broadcast - it did get a certain amount of coverage on the
National media for the short time it survived.

I also used to believe it was legal to listen, until the privacy
provisions of the CCC were pointed out to me.

Curiously,
Dave

I am not making use of nor divulging any information.

Do you have a link or something to what you're talking about? This
last guy? I heard about one in Ottawa broadcasting cell phones, which
was apparently legal but I don't know.

"Charlie" wrote in message news:8YzJc.97987$Oq2.51347@attbi_s52...
Jesus, who cares? If this guy wants to do something let him do it.

Does everyone in the newsgroups have to be a crybaby tattle tale?

"Oh no! He's doing something that MIGHT be illegal!!!!"

"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...

Micro wrote:

Update:
It is infact legal to broadcast the conversations in Canada. The
people that e-mailed me were mistaken.

I guess I got worried about nothing.

So the SCANNER IS BACK UP. ENJOY.

- Jon
http://waterlooscanner.zapto.org




I'd really be interested in your source for that since it appears to be
in clear violation of several sections of the Criminal Code of Canada.
As I'm sure you are aware there is very serious legislation regarding
all aspects of personal privacy in Canada.

You might also check what happened to the last guy in Ontario that set
up a scanner broadcast - it did get a certain amount of coverage on the
National media for the short time it survived.

I also used to believe it was legal to listen, until the privacy
provisions of the CCC were pointed out to me.

Curiously,
Dave

"...intended..."

Here in the US, if you have a small amount of a controlled substance,
they assume you "intend" to sell. Well, if you are transmitting a
radio signal across the county and radiating it through my body, I
assume you "intend" for me to receive it.

Amazing how the powers that be interpret things for their own benefit.

I know we (in the US) are prohibited from all kinds of listening and
rebroadcasting. How do you spell G-e-s-t-a-p-o?

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:32:39 -0400, Al
wrote:

Could you elaborate on your position of legality.
Do you have a statement from Industry Canada?
Perhaps you do. That would be interesting.

My interpretation of:

"Except as prescribed, no person shall intercept and make use of, or
intercept and divulge, any radiocommunication, except as permitted by
the originator of the communication or the person intended by the
originator of the communication to receive it."

is that you are 'intercepting' and 'making use of'.

On 14 Jul 2004 14:43:28 -0700, (Micro) wrote:

Update:
It is infact legal to broadcast the conversations in Canada. The
people that e-mailed me were mistaken.

I guess I got worried about nothing.

So the SCANNER IS BACK UP. ENJOY.

- Jon
http://waterlooscanner.zapto.org

Spammers, please send email to:

and get your SMTP server blacklisted!

Micro wrote:

I am not making use of nor divulging any information.

Do you have a link or something to what you're talking about? This
last guy? I heard about one in Ottawa broadcasting cell phones, which
was apparently legal but I don't know.


I don't know what happened to him, I just know that the site suddenly
vanished once the media heard about it.

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THE CANADIAN FEDERAL CRIMINAL CODE
(Like all legal documents it is far too extensive to fully quote in an
e-mail; these are just basics. I suggest you might spend a little time
and read the sections on privacy, which is where the interception of
private radio communications offences are detailed - it is available in
libraries or on line.
Note that this is the Criminal Code, not Radio Regulations and that
there are no exemptions for encrypted communications).



Section 184 (1) Everyone who, by means of any electro-magnetic,
acoustic, mechanical or other device, wilfully intercepts a private
communication is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to
imprisonment
for a term not exceeding five years.

Section 193 (1) provides for a two year sentence for disclosing the
content,
or even the existence, of an intercepted communication.

Section 193.1 (1) specifically applies the above to radio-based
telephone
communications.

Section 194.1 (1) permits a court to order payment of up to five
thousand
dollars as punitive damages to a person whose communications were
intercepted.

This law has been in effect for more than 20 years.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

I was surprised when this was bought to my attention a few years back,
and just thought you should be aware of it since you ask on your web
page for comments about legality - I'll leave your request for comments
on morality to others.

Dave

Too obvious. Even trolls spell better than that.


Too obvious. Even trolls spell better than that.

I don't think he's a troll. His email address shows that he's using webtv.

webtv has a habit of dropping many individual alphabetical letters from the
posts after it's sent even though they were there when sent.

I know because I used to use web tv and it frequently happened to me when I
used to use it.

But it pretty much hasn't happened to me at all whenever I used computers to
post with.

i can here

that is the only misspelled word in his post "here" instead of "hear".

Everything else that is incomprehensible to you in his post isn't misspelled,
but simply has a bunch of missing letters.

I HIGHLY suspect the webtv browser (or service) is at fault there.

I've learnt to read webtv's incomprehensible posts after it happened to me
several times when I used to post from there. ;)