"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ...
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Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!! YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

Anyone who pretends they deserve to GET differently than they GAVE,
is LYING! If you can't incur the love of your children so that they
want you PROTECTED, then you don't DESERVE IT!!
Steve
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Spoken by a true non-parent. You are so full of **** you must
have brown eyes. Parents can and some do "everything" right and still
have a problem child,,, obviously you have NO experience at this or
your kids are in the less than 10 age which is when some really start to
rebel. All of your stupid all caps remarks and all the stupid exclamation
marks tells me you have an agenda,, or are you a 16 year old.
What a dumb ass. Read a book dumb****.

Jeff


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Jeff wrote:

Spoken by a true non-parent.

Except that he _is_ a parent. Now, please don't construe this to mean
I'm taking a stand on what he wrote, but he _is_ a parent.

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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:50:37 GMT, "Jeff"
wrote:


"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ...
wrote:



Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!! YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

Anyone who pretends they deserve to GET differently than they GAVE,
is LYING! If you can't incur the love of your children so that they
want you PROTECTED, then you don't DESERVE IT!!
Steve
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Spoken by a true non-parent. You are so full of **** you must
have brown eyes. Parents can and some do "everything" right and still
have a problem child,,, obviously you have NO experience at this or
your kids are in the less than 10 age which is when some really start to
rebel. All of your stupid all caps remarks and all the stupid exclamation
marks tells me you have an agenda,, or are you a 16 year old.
What a dumb ass. Read a book dumb****.

Jeff


Reading a book is probably part of the problem, not a solution. It
sounds like everything he knows is based on books he has read, with no
real experience to show the difference between theory and practice.

Jeff wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!! YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

Anyone who pretends they deserve to GET differently than they GAVE,
is LYING! If you can't incur the love of your children so that they
want you PROTECTED, then you don't DESERVE IT!!
Steve

Spoken by a true non-parent.
-----------------
You're delusionally wrong. I've got two raised and off on their own
in their late twenties and early thirties. Son 31 and daughter 28.


You are so full of **** you must
have brown eyes.
-----------------
The only **** you see is in YOUR head, behind YOUR eyes.


Parents can and some do "everything" right and still
have a problem child,,,
--------------------
Nope, nonsense, never ever seen it.

In fact, what you think doing "everything right" then
MUST BE WRONG, ****head!!

You have some psychologically DEFECTIVE pet notions that
YOU just don't want to see go down in FLAMES, but they do!
They really do!:

You see, control freaks like you **** up everything
you touch, your marriages, your children, your lives.


obviously you have NO experience at this
----------------------
WWRRRRONNGGGGOOO!!!!


or
your kids are in the less than 10 age
------------------------
WWRRROONNGGOO AGAIN!!!!


which is when some really start to rebel.
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Hint!: Hey, King Big****.
Your "colonists" don't rebel unless you TREAT THEM LIKE ****!

Mine didn't at ALL, because they NEVER HAD TO!
It isn't a necessity, you know!
Well no, you don't know, do you?

Rebellion is a symptom of ABUSE in a chronically child-abusive
culture like THIS one!


All of your stupid all caps remarks and all the stupid exclamation
marks tells me you have an agenda,
-------------------------------
Damn straight, the RIGHT ONE!
I want to see the people like you who **** up children STOPPED!


or are you a 16 year old.
-------------------------
Nope, born in 1950. I'm 54.


What a dumb ass. Read a book dumb****.
Jeff
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Already read them.
(Also wrote some big hunks of several others.)

And if YOU had you'd know that they agree with ME,
you child-abusive dip****.
Steve

R. Steve Walz wrote:
wrote:

I have to laugh, I think Dave C. is a lawyer. The minute I remove
the
phones from my house because I can't trust my kids, then when there
is
an emergency and something happens to my minor child, I will be
considered an irresponsible parent because they can't call 911 and
I'll
be sued by my kid and the child welfare department. Where is the
common sense here. Parents are responsible for their minor childs
actions.....PERIOD. Parents, do what you must to keep your kids
safe!
----------------------------
You simply don't grasp this deeply enough.

Here's what parental responsibility ACTUALLY means! Actually: The
parent deserves everything their child decides to inflict upon them!!

And why?

Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!!
YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

This, of course, assumes that children are fully functional, rational,
thinking people. We, of course, know better than to assume something
as ridiculous as this. Hell, there are many adults who don't fall
into this category.

The difference is, the adults that don't fall into this category are
(usually) held responsible for their actions, where as the parent of
the child who falls into this category can be held responsible. So
since the parent can be held responsible, the parent should have enough
authority over the child to prevent such behavior.

wrote in message
oups.com...

R. Steve Walz wrote:
wrote:

I have to laugh, I think Dave C. is a lawyer. The minute I remove
the
phones from my house because I can't trust my kids, then when there
is
an emergency and something happens to my minor child, I will be
considered an irresponsible parent because they can't call 911 and
I'll
be sued by my kid and the child welfare department. Where is the
common sense here. Parents are responsible for their minor childs
actions.....PERIOD. Parents, do what you must to keep your kids
safe!
----------------------------
You simply don't grasp this deeply enough.

Here's what parental responsibility ACTUALLY means! Actually: The
parent deserves everything their child decides to inflict upon them!!

And why?

Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!!
YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!
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You're wasting your time with this clown. He's a loon from
square 1, havent you seen the signs in the parks?? Dont feed the animals??
----- errrr I mean trolls.


Jeff


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wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
wrote:

I have to laugh, I think Dave C. is a lawyer. The minute I remove
the
phones from my house because I can't trust my kids, then when there
is
an emergency and something happens to my minor child, I will be
considered an irresponsible parent because they can't call 911 and
I'll
be sued by my kid and the child welfare department. Where is the
common sense here. Parents are responsible for their minor childs
actions.....PERIOD. Parents, do what you must to keep your kids
safe!
----------------------------
You simply don't grasp this deeply enough.

Here's what parental responsibility ACTUALLY means! Actually: The
parent deserves everything their child decides to inflict upon them!!

And why?

Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!!
YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

This, of course, assumes that children are fully functional, rational,
thinking people.
-----------------
They are indeed, every bit as much as any adult.
Reason is what humans do, they aren't capable of anything else.
What YOU might call them being illogical is merely a logic that
happens to be inconvenient to your agenda.


We, of course, know better than to assume something
as ridiculous as this.
------------------
You're not nobility, quit trying to speak for anyone but yourself.


Hell, there are many adults who don't fall into this category.
-------------------
Then we should definitely keep those people from abusing the rights
of their children.


The difference is, the adults that don't fall into this category are
(usually) held responsible for their actions,
--------------------
There's nothing whatsoever wrong with punishing crime, but a child
deciding other than YOU would prefer them decide does NOT amount to
an adult crime!!


where as the parent of
the child who falls into this category can be held responsible.
--------------------
If they assault or coerce a child they should be punished, just as
a child who assaults a parent who does not oppress them should be
punished. But when a child opposes their parents' oppression, that
is NOT crime, but VIRTUE!!


So since the parent can be held responsible, the parent should
have enough authority over the child to prevent such behavior.
----------------------
The parent is virtually never held to any responsibility for the
crimes of children. No one can be held responsible for any assault
on another than their own, and only if it is not justified violence
against oppression.
Steve

wrote in message
ups.com...
I have to laugh, I think Dave C. is a lawyer. The minute I remove the
phones from my house because I can't trust my kids, then when there is
an emergency and something happens to my minor child, I will be
considered an irresponsible parent because they can't call 911 and I'll
be sued by my kid and the child welfare department. Where is the
common sense here. Parents are responsible for their minor childs
actions.....PERIOD. Parents, do what you must to keep your kids safe!


The Child Protective Services are highly corrupt. They don't know a thing
about raising kids properly. Most of the case workers don't even have kids
and are most likely to lie on you in a heartbeat! Tread carefully. Case
workers should not have absolute immunity, and neither should judges and
prosecutors!

DeWayne

This is ridiculous. Wonder how this ever got to court in the first
place?


This went to court because it was a trial for the boyfriend who was
accused of snatching purses. The mother, herself, was never on trial. I
don't even think it says that parents can get into trouble for
monitoring their kids phonecalls. Just that any information heard can't
be entered as evidence if their kid or someone they are talking to
admits over the phone to doing a crime.

Renee

In misc.kids wrote:
Court: Mom's Eavesdropping Violated Law

SEATTLE (AP) - In a victory for rebellious teenagers, the
state Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a mother violated
Washington's privacy law by eavesdropping on her daughter's phone
conversation.

Wow. That's rather across the board.

One special case comes to mind. What if the teenager is emotionally
handicapped?

I know of a fetal alcohol syndrom girl. Her adopted mother occassionally
listened to her phone conversations.

The girl had no mainstream friends. She did have a number of friends
she met at special functions (Special Olympics, a special bowling
league). These friends were spread throughout the city or region
and weren't "in the flesh" except during the events. So the phone was
critical to this girl's social life. That's how she stayed in touch
with friends.

By picking up the phone one day, the mom found out a 30'ish man was
calling her daughter regularly. The man was asking her daughter about
condoms, where they were going to meet, etc.

So I guess that conversation couldn't be used to convict a guy of
statutory rape or child molestation.

That's ... not believable. There must be some clause that's
not being mentioned.