Jeff wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ...


Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!! YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

Anyone who pretends they deserve to GET differently than they GAVE,
is LYING! If you can't incur the love of your children so that they
want you PROTECTED, then you don't DESERVE IT!!
Steve

Spoken by a true non-parent.
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You're delusionally wrong. I've got two raised and off on their own
in their late twenties and early thirties. Son 31 and daughter 28.


You are so full of **** you must
have brown eyes.
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The only **** you see is in YOUR head, behind YOUR eyes.


Parents can and some do "everything" right and still
have a problem child,,,
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Nope, nonsense, never ever seen it.

Just becuase you have never seen it doesnt mean it never
happens.
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Me having never seen it in no way indicates it happens.


It most certainly does happen,, more than "you" may
think, in that tiny little pompous ass brain of yours.
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My brain is larger and more powerful than yours, you're jealous
and your insults sound immature and juvenile.

Nope. Nonsense.
Things are caused, and the closer you look the more you see
this is true. Kids have no reason to mistreat someone who
treats them properly. Now if you treat them ****ty and CALL
it "proper" and don't care what they think, well I can see
how you could delude yourself about that.


Go spend some
time at a counselling facility for kids and just see how kids can
choose the wrong path in life all by themselves.
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Doesn't happen, ever. They are harmed, and everyone *I* have known
in 54 years who has worked with kids has said this!


They're not abused
or mistreated kids, many come from very normal loving homes,
Christian homes where the parents really do practice what they
preach.
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So-called Xtian homes are abusive homes, that's what I mean above
about you deluding yourself.


FYI I work in hospital enviroment and have for more
than 20 years now, and I see this kind of stuff quite often.
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Lemme guess. You're the janitor. You write like an ignorant
religiously deluded janitor.


In fact, what you think doing "everything right" then
MUST BE WRONG, ****head!!

You have some psychologically DEFECTIVE pet notions that
YOU just don't want to see go down in FLAMES, but they do!
They really do!:

You see, control freaks like you **** up everything
you touch, your marriages, your children, your lives.

obviously you have NO experience at this
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WWRRRRONNGGGGOOO!!!!

You post all this "crap" in the manner that you post it
with all your "all caps" and stupid exclamation points and you expect
"anybody" to believe you.
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Yours is crap, mine is fine, and you know it,
you're merely desperate!


And you call ME a control freak??
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Yup, all Xtian child-control bigots are abusive deluded monsters.


Again what an absolute pompous ass. I would suggest you
are the acting control freak here.
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Your suggestion is merely your desperation.


which is when some really start to rebel.
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Hint!: Hey, King Big****.
Your "colonists" don't rebel unless you TREAT THEM LIKE ****!

Absolutely untrue, rebelling is actually quite normal for preteens
and teens, its part of growing up and establishing their own
independence.
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Doesn't happen at all in other cultures where kids are respected
and are not coerced. But having not studied Anthropology, of course,
you'd never have learned that "adolescent rebellion" is strictly
a phenomenon of child-abusive societies.


Its what a parent does about it that counts.
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No, rather parents CAUSE it, or else they KNOW BETTER!


Like I said get a real education on the subject.
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A paltry little janitor like you is the one in need of education.


Mine didn't at ALL, because they NEVER HAD TO!
It isn't a necessity, you know!
Well no, you don't know, do you?

Rebellion is a symptom of ABUSE in a chronically child-abusive
culture like THIS one!


What total BS this is,, all rebellion is from abuse huh. Now you
have just blown any tiny little shred of credibility you "may" have had,
blown,,, gone . Like I said before read a book, get a life
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Now you're wildly thrashing about, saying nothing of content, making
no reasoned point, merely flailing.


All of your stupid all caps remarks and all the stupid exclamation
marks tells me you have an agenda,
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Damn straight, the RIGHT ONE!
I want to see the people like you who **** up children STOPPED!

My kids are all grown and gone,, all of them are decent
law abiding, tax paying, successful citizens. They arent screwed
up freaks like you are soooo desperately trying to imply.
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So YOU say, Most Americans have dire problems with maturity and
self-esteem and fractured creativity because of the ****ty way
they were raised, and with your ignorance apparent they should be
precisely of that constellation of problems, if you had enough
courage to admit this.

What you call "normal" is DAMAGED!


Man you must come from the twilight zone or somewhere. The mere
fact that you are trying to imply my kids are mental defectives
because of my parenting skills without knowing a thing about
me or my familiy really speaks volumes about YOU.
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You wish, unfortunately it *IS* about you and your sort and the
mess your kind always make of your relationships with your kids.


And if YOU had you'd know that they agree with ME,
you child-abusive dip****.

Jesus you are quite taken with yourself arent you??
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My name isn't Jesus.


Once again
you call me a control freak????? You call me a child abuser?? Do you
know my distant past??? have you spoken with my children??? NO .
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I don't need to.
I've seen your kind on every street corner in this country.
I've seen your damaged product everywhere.
Steve