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[email protected] February 2nd 05 02:09 PM

cordless phone
 
I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?


Burfing-Whummy February 2nd 05 02:47 PM

duh, what do you think?

wrote in message
oups.com...
I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?




news.vif.com February 2nd 05 03:06 PM



wrote:
I know it is not legal

FYI illegal to listen to cellphones/cordless phones
US/Canada.

but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?


Yes!.

--
John Medica
System & Network administrator
Listening-Post
Toronto Ontario, Canada

NAMA, Listening-Post, Ontario Unlisted Frequency Guide

Paul Keenleyside February 2nd 05 03:25 PM


"news.vif.com" wrote in message
...


wrote:
I know it is not legal

FYI illegal to listen to cellphones/cordless phones
US/Canada.

but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?


Yes!.


Given the limited range of cordless phones and the content, why would anyone
bother?

But techncially yes.



[email protected] February 2nd 05 03:27 PM


Burfing-Whummy wrote:
duh, what do you think?

wrote in message
oups.com...
I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?


I mean are those frequencies blocked on scanners like cell phone
frequencies are?

Will covering 900 mhz get newer cordless phones too?


PowerHouse Communications February 2nd 05 05:57 PM

A lot of answers, none worth a damn...

A "regular scanner" CAN receive the signals, but you won't be able to listen
to the conversations worth a damn... A "regular scanner" generally does not
have WFM reception, therefore, the conversations will cut in and out and/or
get distorted because of this. In order to actually receive an intelligible
signal your scanner would have to have WFM reception. This is generally
only found on the higher-end scanners.

Of course, if the signal is digital, you aren't going to hear anything
anyway, no matter what kind of scanner you have...


wrote in message
oups.com...
I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?




Jim February 2nd 05 09:23 PM

Scan 902 to 904...

wrote in message
oups.com...
I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?




DougSlug February 3rd 05 12:18 AM

"PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message
...
A lot of answers, none worth a damn...

A "regular scanner" CAN receive the signals, but you won't be able to
listen
to the conversations worth a damn... A "regular scanner" generally does
not
have WFM reception, therefore, the conversations will cut in and out
and/or
get distorted because of this. In order to actually receive an
intelligible
signal your scanner would have to have WFM reception.


Not all 900 MHz cordless phones utilize WFM, so a scanner that only offers
NFM may still be useful for this purpose.

This is generally only found on the higher-end scanners.


I'm not sure what you would consider "higher-end", but there are plenty of
"regular" scanners that have WFM.

Of course, if the signal is digital, you aren't going to hear anything
anyway, no matter what kind of scanner you have...


True enough, but digital is not as commonly found on 900 MHz phones. 2.4
GHz phones probably more commonly use digital modulation.

You can include your answer among those that are "not worth a damn".



Jim February 3rd 05 02:57 AM


"DougSlug" wrote in message
...
"PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message
...
A lot of answers, none worth a damn...

A "regular scanner" CAN receive the signals, but you won't be able to
listen
to the conversations worth a damn... A "regular scanner" generally does
not
have WFM reception, therefore, the conversations will cut in and out
and/or
get distorted because of this. In order to actually receive an
intelligible
signal your scanner would have to have WFM reception.


Not all 900 MHz cordless phones utilize WFM, so a scanner that only offers
NFM may still be useful for this purpose.

This is generally only found on the higher-end scanners.


I'm not sure what you would consider "higher-end", but there are plenty of
"regular" scanners that have WFM.

Of course, if the signal is digital, you aren't going to hear anything
anyway, no matter what kind of scanner you have...


True enough, but digital is not as commonly found on 900 MHz phones. 2.4
GHz phones probably more commonly use digital modulation.

You can include your answer among those that are "not worth a damn".



If you off tune a WFM signal on a NFM receiver it will be intelligible
enough.



Jim February 3rd 05 03:09 AM


"Jim" wrote in message
...

"DougSlug" wrote in message
...
"PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message
...
A lot of answers, none worth a damn...

A "regular scanner" CAN receive the signals, but you won't be able to
listen
to the conversations worth a damn... A "regular scanner" generally does
not
have WFM reception, therefore, the conversations will cut in and out
and/or
get distorted because of this. In order to actually receive an
intelligible
signal your scanner would have to have WFM reception.


Not all 900 MHz cordless phones utilize WFM, so a scanner that only
offers NFM may still be useful for this purpose.

This is generally only found on the higher-end scanners.


I'm not sure what you would consider "higher-end", but there are plenty
of "regular" scanners that have WFM.

Of course, if the signal is digital, you aren't going to hear anything
anyway, no matter what kind of scanner you have...


True enough, but digital is not as commonly found on 900 MHz phones. 2.4
GHz phones probably more commonly use digital modulation.

You can include your answer among those that are "not worth a damn".



If you off tune a WFM signal on a NFM receiver it will be intelligible
enough.


While I'm in this thread I'll just ask. Is there anyone working on software
to support real time demodulation of digital cordless signals?



bob February 3rd 05 04:06 AM

Better re-check your law books regarding listening in Canada.

There is no law in Canada prohibiting a person from listening to cell
phones.

There is no law in Canada prohibiting a person from listening to
cordless phones.

There are no laws in Canada prohibiting a person from having a scanner
in their car.

It IS illegal to decode/descramble a subscription service signal without
paying for it. (that's in the various sections addressing 'theft of
service')

Nowhere in Canada, do you need an amateur radio operator's certificate
to own a scanner.

However: the radiocommunication act prohibits anyone who listens from
conveying or imparting that which was heard to a third party.
(aka: listen all you want, but keep the gossip to yourself.)

There are a few countries (USA included) that have laws prohibiting
cellular monitoring, cordless phone monitoring, etc. (land of the free,
but not free to listen to.. oh nevermind, I don't want to start a
shouting match here, but it is odd that a country that claims to protect
freedom at any cost quietly takes some away. Likely due to some
politician getting caught in some scam or scandal due to what they said
on a cell phone and the wrong people hearing it.)

Personally, they do a lot of things right in the USA, it can be a really
nice place (at least everywhere I've visited so far) but in my opinion,
the law banning of certain receivers, forbidding reception of certain
frequency ranges, and the prohibition of some receivers in cars (in
certain jurisdictions) does not make a lot of sense. (someone might
argue it's to prevent crooks from staying one step ahead of the
authorities, but last I checked, crooks, by definition, don't respect a
lot of laws anyway, therefore won't lose a lot of sleep having that
scanner in their car... :)




news.vif.com wrote:


wrote:

I know it is not legal


FYI illegal to listen to cellphones/cordless phones
US/Canada.

but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?



Yes!.


PowerHouse Communications February 3rd 05 02:44 PM


"DougSlug" wrote in message
...

Not all 900 MHz cordless phones utilize WFM, so a scanner that only offers
NFM may still be useful for this purpose.

I'm not going get into some huge debate or such crap, so:
You are somewhat corect, not all, but MOST...


I'm not sure what you would consider "higher-end", but there are plenty of
"regular" scanners that have WFM.

Generally anything costing you more than $150 to $200, and that includes
Trunk Tracking, I would classify as "higher-end". You won't find WFM on the
majority of (if any) "regular" scanners.

You can include your answer among those that are "not worth a damn".

I think yours grabs that category a little better than mine. Mine
contributed useful information, yours was just there to start an argument...




DougSlug February 3rd 05 03:19 PM

Mine contributed useful information, yours was just there to start an
argument...


Whatever, dude. One man's trash is another man's treasure.



Steve G February 3rd 05 03:56 PM


"bob" wrote

There are a few countries (USA included) that have laws prohibiting
cellular monitoring, cordless phone monitoring, etc. (land of the free,
but not free to listen to.. oh nevermind, I don't want to start a
shouting match here, but it is odd that a country that claims to protect
freedom at any cost quietly takes some away. Likely due to some
politician getting caught in some scam or scandal due to what they said
on a cell phone and the wrong people hearing it.)


But you left plenty of bait for a shouting match anyway......




FeMaster February 5th 05 01:32 PM


"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
...



I'm not sure what you would consider "higher-end", but there are plenty

of
"regular" scanners that have WFM.

Generally anything costing you more than $150 to $200, and that includes
Trunk Tracking, I would classify as "higher-end". You won't find WFM on

the
majority of (if any) "regular" scanners.


Very few scanners don't have WFM.


According to this FAQ, looks like the majority of the NON-Trunking "regular"
SCANNERS don't have WFM... Perhaps you get your information from some other
planet?




PowerHouse Communications February 5th 05 01:42 PM


"Mark" wrote in message
...

In order to actually receive an intelligible
signal your scanner would have to have WFM reception.


Just not true. Not for the majority of 900Mhz phones out there.

I must live in an area where they only sell WFM phones then... About a year
ago, when I did some listening in, there were VERY FEW, (like maybe 2) that
I could actually receive, the rest were unintelligable as they were in WFM
(Over 95% I'd guess). You must live in one of those "odd-ball" areas that
only sell NFM analog 900Mhz phones. Good for you.

Of course, if the signal is digital, you aren't going to hear anything
anyway, no matter what kind of scanner you have...


I'll give you half of this statement as being correct.

You can give it all to me, there is nothing incorrect about the line you
commented on.



Matt February 5th 05 05:55 PM

"FeMaster" FeMaster @ hotmail . com wrote in message
...

"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
...



I'm not sure what you would consider "higher-end", but there are

plenty
of
"regular" scanners that have WFM.

Generally anything costing you more than $150 to $200, and that

includes
Trunk Tracking, I would classify as "higher-end". You won't find WFM

on
the
majority of (if any) "regular" scanners.


Very few scanners don't have WFM.


According to this FAQ, looks like the majority of the NON-Trunking

"regular"
SCANNERS don't have WFM... Perhaps you get your information from some

other
planet?


What FAQ??
Every scanner that I have has WFM - and I do not own trunking scanners -
some of my scanners have been cheap arsed pieces of ****e, some are good
quality, but all have had WFM.
Uniden 200 XLT
Uniden 220 XLT
Icom IC-R3
Winradio 1500e
Icom PCR 1000
------ All of these have WFM

Maybe 20 to 30 years ago, WFM was not available in most scanners, but as BOG
has said, (and I hate to back him up, but here I must), very few scanners
don't have WFM. Perhaps you could advise which new scanners do not?



Matt



Jim February 5th 05 06:20 PM


"Matt" wrote in message
...
"FeMaster" FeMaster @ hotmail . com wrote in message
...

"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
...



I'm not sure what you would consider "higher-end", but there are

plenty
of
"regular" scanners that have WFM.

Generally anything costing you more than $150 to $200, and that

includes
Trunk Tracking, I would classify as "higher-end". You won't find WFM

on
the
majority of (if any) "regular" scanners.

Very few scanners don't have WFM.


According to this FAQ, looks like the majority of the NON-Trunking

"regular"
SCANNERS don't have WFM... Perhaps you get your information from some

other
planet?


What FAQ??
Every scanner that I have has WFM - and I do not own trunking scanners -
some of my scanners have been cheap arsed pieces of ****e, some are good
quality, but all have had WFM.
Uniden 200 XLT
Uniden 220 XLT
Icom IC-R3
Winradio 1500e
Icom PCR 1000
------ All of these have WFM

Maybe 20 to 30 years ago, WFM was not available in most scanners, but as
BOG
has said, (and I hate to back him up, but here I must), very few scanners
don't have WFM. Perhaps you could advise which new scanners do not?



Matt



I had a 200 XLT years ago it didn't have Wide FM?



PowerHouse Communications February 6th 05 11:36 PM


"Matt" wrote in message
...
"FeMaster" FeMaster @ hotmail . com wrote in message
...

"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
...



Very few scanners don't have WFM.


According to this FAQ, looks like the majority of the NON-Trunking
"regular"
SCANNERS don't have WFM... Perhaps you get your information from some
other
planet?


What FAQ??


Sorry, forgot the URL:
http://www.strongsignals.net/access/content/model.html


Every scanner that I have has WFM - and I do not own trunking scanners -
some of my scanners have been cheap arsed pieces of ****e, some are good
quality, but all have had WFM.
Uniden 200 XLT
Uniden 220 XLT
Icom IC-R3
Winradio 1500e
Icom PCR 1000
------ All of these have WFM

Icon and Winradio are not Scanners for starters, let alone "regular"
scanners...

Perhaps your should inform those guys over at Strong Signals that their
Scanner FAQ is incorrect, or better yet, the guys over at Uniden. I'm sure
they would be interested to know how you ended up with version of their
scanners that have a feature that was never designed into the unit to start
with. Must be by some miracle that your two Uniden scanners have WFM. How
did you manage to modify them to get it? I'd bet the rest of the world
would LOVE to know. I'm sure that it would certainly become a pretty
popular mod.

Maybe 20 to 30 years ago, WFM was not available in most scanners, but as

BOG
has said, (and I hate to back him up, but here I must), very few scanners
don't have WFM.

BOG is as much uninformed as your are. You both need to research what your
talking about, because neither has a clue... Just to satisfy the ignorant,
I did some research on the current listing of scanners over at the Uniden
site... As suspected, NONE of the "regular" scanners have WFM. Matter of
fact, even a number of the Trunk-tracking scanners do not have WFM. Only
the more recent HIGHER-END scanners come with WFM.

Of the 24 scanners listed on the site, a measly 5 come with WFM... So, I
think the statements that both of you made are backwards, they should have
read, "...very few scanners [DO] have WFM.

Perhaps you could advise which new scanners do not?

Inform you, sure... The 5 listed on Uniden's site that DO HAVE WFM a
BC796D, BC785D, BC780XLT, BC296D, BC250D - THAT's IT!

Which ones DON'T? The other 19 of course, which includes MANY new models:
BC246T, BC72XLT, BC895XLT, BC898T, BC92XLT, SC230, BCT8, BCT7, BC350A,
BC350C, BC80XLT, BC60XLT-1, SC200, SC180B, BC278CLT, BC248CLT, BC245XLT,
BC244CLT, BC120XLT

In the future, maybe it would be advisable for the two of you to do some
more research before you start typing and spreading falsities all over
UseNET...



FeMaster February 6th 05 11:38 PM


"Jim" wrote in message
...

"Matt" wrote in message
...
"FeMaster" FeMaster @ hotmail . com wrote in message
...

"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
...



I'm not sure what you would consider "higher-end", but there are

plenty
of
"regular" scanners that have WFM.

Generally anything costing you more than $150 to $200, and that

includes
Trunk Tracking, I would classify as "higher-end". You won't find

WFM
on
the
majority of (if any) "regular" scanners.

Very few scanners don't have WFM.


According to this FAQ, looks like the majority of the NON-Trunking

"regular"
SCANNERS don't have WFM... Perhaps you get your information from some

other
planet?


What FAQ??
Every scanner that I have has WFM - and I do not own trunking scanners -
some of my scanners have been cheap arsed pieces of ****e, some are good
quality, but all have had WFM.
Uniden 200 XLT
Uniden 220 XLT
Icom IC-R3
Winradio 1500e
Icom PCR 1000
------ All of these have WFM

Maybe 20 to 30 years ago, WFM was not available in most scanners, but as
BOG
has said, (and I hate to back him up, but here I must), very few

scanners
don't have WFM. Perhaps you could advise which new scanners do not?


I had a 200 XLT years ago it didn't have Wide FM?

That's because the pair of them have no idea what they are talking about...
Either that, or they buy their equipment on another planet...





FeMaster February 9th 05 09:06 PM


"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
...
According to this FAQ, looks like the majority of the NON-Trunking
"regular"
SCANNERS don't have WFM... Perhaps you get your information from

some
other
planet?


http://www.strongsignals.net/access/content/model.html


According to your FAQ list most scanners do have WFM.
Only those too cheap to cover broadcast and TV don't have WFM.


Wideband Receivers DON'T COUNT. They are NOT "regular" scanners; matter of
fact, they are not scanners at all... There's a difference, but apparently
you're just too stupid to notice.

I'm done arguing with you dip-****s. If your heads weren't shoved so far up
your rectal cavities you might actually see that you really haven't a clue
at all...




SteveJ February 10th 05 12:21 AM

I have two wireless phones and NO scanner can receive one is a frequency
hopper, using digital modulation that covers all of the 902-928 MHz band
five times a second, and the other one is a spreadsprectrum system, sounds
like noise when received on a analog receiver in the wide or narrow band
mode. In other words forget about receiving it.




"Jim" wrote in message
...
Scan 902 to 904...

wrote in message
oups.com...
I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?






bob February 10th 05 12:40 AM

Secure unless someone has a base station that uses an identical chipset
and forces it into receive mode. This does require some tinkering, but
it can be done. Don't kid yourself, the FHSS and DSSS technology used by
cordless phone manufacturers are not designed for security, they are
just basic chipsets with a minimum of support components. And the
advertised 64 bazillion security codes have nothing to do with the
sequence, it's only for the off hook negotiation (aka: line seizure) and
ring triggering on an inbound call. Remember, a lot of those SS units
still have a 'channel' button, and there's only 10 to 25 'channels' on
these things. That would point to a limit of 10 to 25 spread patterns.
Splurge the $19 at Target and buy a popular unit and dig into it,
there's not a lot in there.

B.



SteveJ wrote:
I have two wireless phones and NO scanner can receive one is a frequency
hopper, using digital modulation that covers all of the 902-928 MHz band
five times a second, and the other one is a spreadsprectrum system, sounds
like noise when received on a analog receiver in the wide or narrow band
mode. In other words forget about receiving it.




"Jim" wrote in message
...

Scan 902 to 904...

wrote in message
groups.com...

I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?






SteveJ February 10th 05 02:10 AM

My point is a scanner would not pick them up this waas the topic.

"bob" wrote in message
.. .
Secure unless someone has a base station that uses an identical chipset
and forces it into receive mode. This does require some tinkering, but it
can be done. Don't kid yourself, the FHSS and DSSS technology used by
cordless phone manufacturers are not designed for security, they are just
basic chipsets with a minimum of support components. And the advertised 64
bazillion security codes have nothing to do with the sequence, it's only
for the off hook negotiation (aka: line seizure) and ring triggering on an
inbound call. Remember, a lot of those SS units still have a 'channel'
button, and there's only 10 to 25 'channels' on these things. That would
point to a limit of 10 to 25 spread patterns. Splurge the $19 at Target
and buy a popular unit and dig into it, there's not a lot in there.

B.



SteveJ wrote:
I have two wireless phones and NO scanner can receive one is a frequency
hopper, using digital modulation that covers all of the 902-928 MHz band
five times a second, and the other one is a spreadsprectrum system,
sounds like noise when received on a analog receiver in the wide or
narrow band mode. In other words forget about receiving it.




"Jim" wrote in message
...

Scan 902 to 904...

wrote in message
egroups.com...

I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?






Matt February 10th 05 01:59 PM

"PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message
...
"Matt" wrote in message
What FAQ??


Sorry, forgot the URL:
http://www.strongsignals.net/access/content/model.html


Interesting URL - thanks for the reference.

Perhaps your should inform those guys over at Strong Signals that their
Scanner FAQ is incorrect, or better yet, the guys over at Uniden. I'm

sure
they would be interested to know how you ended up with version of their
scanners that have a feature that was never designed into the unit to

start
with. Must be by some miracle that your two Uniden scanners have WFM.

How
did you manage to modify them to get it? I'd bet the rest of the world
would LOVE to know. I'm sure that it would certainly become a pretty
popular mod.


Ooops, appologies I was wrong. Most of my radio gear is in storage as I am
moving house at the moment so was unable to check and posted blind - me bad.

Maybe 20 to 30 years ago, WFM was not available in most scanners, but as

BOG
has said, (and I hate to back him up, but here I must), very few

scanners
don't have WFM.

BOG is as much uninformed as your are. You both need to research what

your
talking about, because neither has a clue... Just to satisfy the

ignorant,
I did some research on the current listing of scanners over at the Uniden
site... As suspected, NONE of the "regular" scanners have WFM. Matter of
fact, even a number of the Trunk-tracking scanners do not have WFM. Only
the more recent HIGHER-END scanners come with WFM.


Fair point - should have looked before I opened my mouth.

Of the 24 scanners listed on the site, a measly 5 come with WFM... So, I
think the statements that both of you made are backwards, they should have
read, "...very few scanners [DO] have WFM.

Perhaps you could advise which new scanners do not?

Inform you, sure... The 5 listed on Uniden's site that DO HAVE WFM a
BC796D, BC785D, BC780XLT, BC296D, BC250D - THAT's IT!

Which ones DON'T? The other 19 of course, which includes MANY new models:
BC246T, BC72XLT, BC895XLT, BC898T, BC92XLT, SC230, BCT8, BCT7, BC350A,
BC350C, BC80XLT, BC60XLT-1, SC200, SC180B, BC278CLT, BC248CLT, BC245XLT,
BC244CLT, BC120XLT

In the future, maybe it would be advisable for the two of you to do some
more research before you start typing and spreading falsities all over
UseNET...





Nigel February 10th 05 05:51 PM

Yes it was, and you are correct; no consumer grade scanner has any chance of
rendering intelligible signals from a DSSS nor FHSS cordless phone.

[On a side note: There are some high end units (most AOR scanners, or some
Alinco units, for example) that will receive wideband and narrowband F3
transmissions. In my experience, most RatShack stuff gets pretty deaf as you
approach 1Ghz. The same goes for the Alinco DJ-X10, at 1Ghz and above it's
more or less useless, at 1.4Ghz, forget it, the input sensitivity approaches
the one volt mark. Nice scanner for the lower bands, lots of useful
features, but practically useless in the Ghz range.]




My point is a scanner would not pick them up this was the topic.




"bob" wrote in message
.. .
Secure unless someone has a base station that uses an identical chipset
and forces it into receive mode. This does require some tinkering, but it
can be done. Don't kid yourself, the FHSS and DSSS technology used by
cordless phone manufacturers are not designed for security, they are just
basic chipsets with a minimum of support components. And the advertised 64
bazillion security codes have nothing to do with the sequence, it's only
for the off hook negotiation (aka: line seizure) and ring triggering on an
inbound call. Remember, a lot of those SS units still have a 'channel'
button, and there's only 10 to 25 'channels' on these things. That would
point to a limit of 10 to 25 spread patterns. Splurge the $19 at Target
and buy a popular unit and dig into it, there's not a lot in there.

B.




[email protected] February 11th 05 03:53 AM

2.4 GHz phones probably more commonly use digital modulation.
-------------------------------------------------

When I was at Best Buy recently, they had a LOT of different me of 2.4
GHZ corless phones. and everyone of them was analog!!!!!!

they even speciicy said analog on the actual boxes and signs.

The one 2.4 GHZ model they had that did say "digital" turned out to be
analog. The stated "digital" was referring to the built-in answering
system being digital, not the regular converstations.

I did see a few digital 2.4 GHZ cordless phones at Wal-Mart, but even
most of the 2.4 GHZ ones there were analog.

so most 2.4ghz models are indeed analog.

Now the 5 GHZ cordless phones I've seen both places ( I think 5.8 GHZ,
although I might be off on frequency on these ones) did indeed say
digital on almost everyone of them I saw if not on everyone I saw.




[email protected] February 11th 05 04:06 AM

I must live in an area where they only sell WFM phones then... About a
year ago, when I did some listening in, there were VERY FEW, (like maybe
2) that I could actually receive, the rest were unintelligable as they
were in WFM (Over 95% I'd guess). You must live in one of those
"odd-ball" areas that only sell NFM analog 900Mhz phones. Good for you.
--------------------------------------------------

where I am, most of the 900 MHZ cordless phones are narrow FM. And his
area seems to be the same.

So I would say that it's your area that seems to be the oddball area,
selling mostly 900 MHZ cordles phoes that are wide FM.

And I have lived a number of places, so far.




[email protected] February 11th 05 04:10 AM

What FAQ??
Every scanner that I have has WFM - and I do not own trunking scanners -
some of my scanners have been cheap arsed pieces of ****e, some are good
quality, but all have had WFM.
------------------------------------------------
whee I am, the only trunking scanners I have seen for sale do not have
WFM at all.

My new scanner that does not do trunk tracking at all does have WFM.

So I have to agree with you


Jim February 11th 05 04:25 AM


wrote in message
...
2.4 GHz phones probably more commonly use digital modulation.
-------------------------------------------------

When I was at Best Buy recently, they had a LOT of different me of 2.4
GHZ corless phones. and everyone of them was analog!!!!!!

they even speciicy said analog on the actual boxes and signs.

The one 2.4 GHZ model they had that did say "digital" turned out to be
analog. The stated "digital" was referring to the built-in answering
system being digital, not the regular converstations.

I did see a few digital 2.4 GHZ cordless phones at Wal-Mart, but even
most of the 2.4 GHZ ones there were analog.

so most 2.4ghz models are indeed analog.

Now the 5 GHZ cordless phones I've seen both places ( I think 5.8 GHZ,
although I might be off on frequency on these ones) did indeed say
digital on almost everyone of them I saw if not on everyone I saw.




There are a LOT of analog phones around here! The sales pitch is "Digital
Secure" of course referring to the code passed between the handset and the
base !



Jim February 11th 05 04:27 AM


wrote in message
...
I must live in an area where they only sell WFM phones then... About a
year ago, when I did some listening in, there were VERY FEW, (like maybe
2) that I could actually receive, the rest were unintelligable as they
were in WFM (Over 95% I'd guess). You must live in one of those
"odd-ball" areas that only sell NFM analog 900Mhz phones. Good for you.
--------------------------------------------------

where I am, most of the 900 MHZ cordless phones are narrow FM. And his
area seems to be the same.

So I would say that it's your area that seems to be the oddball area,
selling mostly 900 MHZ cordles phoes that are wide FM.

And I have lived a number of places, so far.




There is mostly WFM here. It's still readable on a narrow FM scanner with
some distortion...



Jim February 11th 05 05:03 AM


wrote in message
...
What FAQ??
Every scanner that I have has WFM - and I do not own trunking scanners -
some of my scanners have been cheap arsed pieces of ****e, some are good
quality, but all have had WFM.
------------------------------------------------
whee I am, the only trunking scanners I have seen for sale do not have
WFM at all.

My new scanner that does not do trunk tracking at all does have WFM.

So I have to agree with you


You cant take one scanner and base "I agree" on that! I'll take a Ferrari
and say all cars can do 170 mph! Good God at least do some reading!




[email protected] February 11th 05 07:54 AM

Wideband Receivers DON'T COUNT. They are NOT "regular" scanners; matter
of fact, they are not scanners at all... There's a difference, but
apparently you're just too stupid to notice.
---------------------------------------------------

tell the police and judge that when they arrest you for listening to a
scanner in a motor vehicle in a state that doesn't allow scanners in
motor vehicles.

the official legal definition of a scanner is a device that scans 4 or
more channels between 30 MHZ and ( I think 1200 MHZ).

The definition also describes the speed at which it has to scan to be
counted or not counted as a scanner. I couldn't remember the actual rate
speed.

The legal definition of what is and isn't a scanner is the same for the
whole country.

What you count as not a scanner, a policeman or judge who checks the
actual laws will most likely find that what you count as not a scanner
is indeed a scanner.






[email protected] February 11th 05 09:07 PM

wrote:
Wideband Receivers DON'T COUNT. They are NOT "regular" scanners;
matter of fact, they are not scanners at all... There's a difference,
but apparently you're just too stupid to notice.
---------------------------------------------------

tell the police and judge that when they arrest you for listening to
a scanner in a motor vehicle in a state that doesn't allow scanners
in motor vehicles.

the official legal definition of a scanner is a device that scans
4 or more channels between 30 MHZ and ( I think 1200 MHZ).

The definition also describes the speed at which it has to scan to
be counted or not counted as a scanner. I couldn't remember the
actual rate speed.

The legal definition of what is and isn't a scanner is the same
for the whole country.

What you count as not a scanner, a policeman or judge who checks
the actual laws will most likely find that what you count as not
a scanner is indeed a scanner.



PART 15_RADIO FREQUENCY DEVICES:
Sec. 15.3 Definitions.

(v) Scanning receiver. For the purpose of this part, this is a
receiver that automatically switches among two or more frequencies in
the range of 30 to 960 MHz and that is capable of stopping at and
receiving a radio signal detected on a frequency. Receivers designed
solely for the reception of the broadcast signals under part 73 of
this chapter, for the reception of NOAA broadcast weather band signals,
or for operation as part of a licensed service are not included in
this definition.

[CITE: 47CFR15.3]
http://tinyurl.com/4g6g3
-

The ECPA of 1986 prohibited the eavesdropping of cellular telephones,

CALEA amended 18 U.S.C =A7 2511 to prohibit the eavesdropping of
cordless telephones. -

Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (CALEA)
Public Law No. 103-414, 108 Stat. 4279 (10/25/1994)
also known as "The Digital Telephony Act".

103d CONGRESS, 2d Session
H=2E R. 4922 Sponsor: Rep Edwards, Don
S=2E2375 Sponsor: Sen Leahy, Patrick J
-

TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 119 =A7 2511
=A7 2511. Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic
communications prohibited

http://tinyurl.com/3l579


Korbin Dallas February 12th 05 06:02 PM

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:09:24 -0800, stryped wrote:

I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?


Since most 900 Mhz phones are Digital...

The Answer is No.



DougSlug February 12th 05 08:18 PM

FALSE! Thanks for playing...


"Korbin Dallas" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:09:24 -0800, stryped wrote:

Since most 900 Mhz phones are Digital...

The Answer is No.




NORMAN TRIANTAFILOS February 13th 05 09:33 PM

sure you just scan between 902.000 and about 902.8000 and you can receive
the base to handset nfm (+- 5khz)signal but there isnt a standard on all
this and some phones have the base to handset signal out on the upper part
of the band so you may want to search between 902.000 and 928.000.also most
scanners have the frequency step size fixed at lets say 12.5 khz so it hard
to hear the signal exactly on the right frequency and it will sound
distorted.i dont know why they make scanners without a way to set the tuning
freq step but they do...

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"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:02 GMT, Korbin Dallas

wrote:

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:09:24 -0800, stryped wrote:

I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?


Since most 900 Mhz phones are Digital...


Most, but not all.

The Answer is No.



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BILLY February 17th 05 12:19 AM

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:02 GMT, Korbin Dallas
wrote:

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:09:24 -0800, stryped wrote:

I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?


Since most 900 Mhz phones are Digital...

The Answer is No.

And I say maybe.
I have been able to listen to all 900 fones I have tried. Im not
saying that it is not possible at all, just that all the ones I've
tried work fine -- ON TWO FREQUENCIES usually 902 or 903 and 925
through 927 I think...and I find that a lot of restaurants (not BK or
McD for instance) use a cordless fone. that I can pick up. My son got
****ed at me because I (not on purpose, just by accident) was eating
dinner and wham he started talking to his girlfriend. I almost puked.
I sorta remember when I was 18, now. I had forgotten about all the bs
and sweet talk. anyway he heard me say something to his mother and he
blew his top. Now he doesn't tie up my fone any more. he got a 2.4ghz
fone now and he has almost gotten over his paranoia.



Billy, N5WE
Mississippi

Jim February 17th 05 12:31 AM


"BILLY" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:02:02 GMT, Korbin Dallas
wrote:

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 06:09:24 -0800, stryped wrote:

I know it is not legal but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?


Since most 900 Mhz phones are Digital...

The Answer is No.

And I say maybe.
I have been able to listen to all 900 fones I have tried. Im not
saying that it is not possible at all, just that all the ones I've
tried work fine -- ON TWO FREQUENCIES usually 902 or 903 and 925
through 927 I think...and I find that a lot of restaurants (not BK or
McD for instance) use a cordless fone. that I can pick up. My son got
****ed at me because I (not on purpose, just by accident) was eating
dinner and wham he started talking to his girlfriend. I almost puked.
I sorta remember when I was 18, now. I had forgotten about all the bs
and sweet talk. anyway he heard me say something to his mother and he
blew his top. Now he doesn't tie up my fone any more. he got a 2.4ghz
fone now and he has almost gotten over his paranoia.



Billy, N5WE
Mississippi


This thread started, ended and started again! Yes there are phones in the
clear in WFM & NFM on 900 Mhz...



Jeff Seale February 25th 05 02:24 AM

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:25:12 GMT, Paul Keenleyside wrote:

"news.vif.com" wrote in message
...


wrote:
I know it is not legal

FYI illegal to listen to cellphones/cordless phones
US/Canada.

but can a regular scanner that covers 900 mhz
listen to cordless phone conversations?


Yes!.


Given the limited range of cordless phones and the content, why would anyone
bother?

But techncially yes.


There are always DX opportunitities, like when it's cloudy or extremely
warm outside, just like with good ol' FM.


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