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D. Brown March 20th 05 11:51 PM

Stupid Scanner Question.
 
Does anyone know what frequency Tethers operate on, the kind that they use
for people who are under house-arrest? Would be interesting to know if any
of the neighbors are a smooth criminal.

Thanks in advance.



George Kinzer March 21st 05 12:00 AM

I think they are receptive not passive



George Kinzer March 21st 05 12:14 AM

http://www.housearrest.com/powerpoin...POWERPOINT.ppt



George Kinzer March 21st 05 12:14 AM

damn, anyone use search anymore?



D. Brown March 21st 05 01:10 AM


"George Kinzer" wrote in message
...
damn, anyone use search anymore?


Damn, doesn't anyone discuss things on UseNet anymore? I did a Google search
for frequencies and tethers, came up dry and decided to ask here. Although I
did not expect a stupid, Ass-Clown reply I should have known better.

Enjoy the group, you'll have it all to yourself at this rate... Oh and
thanks.




tom March 21st 05 01:55 AM

If you think a question is too simple to bother with, why not just ignore
it?

==================================================

Question:
What's the point of even following a newsgroup to begin with if all you're
going to do is respond to people's questions with snide, derogatory comments
about the use of search engines?

Answer:
Because it creates opportunities to make snide, derogatory comments.
==================================================






George Kinzer March 21st 05 04:22 AM

first , I gave information, then after I did the homework , I made the
remark. If I WANTED TO BE A SMART ASS, I WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BOTHERED TO
GIVE THE INFO.
So, with that in mind don't be such a wussy and get offended, if I hurt your
feelings, I don't care. really, it is not hard to dig up information, just
seems like people are either ignorant or just too damn lazy to look it up
themselves. Don't take it personal.

It would be an asset if it would have said " I have done a search and came
up with nothing"
or something along them lines.



pctech March 21st 05 01:15 PM


More and more arrogant smart ass loudmouths in these groups anymore, gotta
hide behind an ip address. Cant even give the guy a decent answer ! No
wonder there are more and more people going ballistic and off'en assholes in
this day and age . This dont concern me but , I am really sick and tired of
arrogant loudmouthed assholes who hide. If yer gonna say sumthin , say it
to my face , and then take yer whippin . if ya dont like my spellin ...then
go **** yer mother ( that only applies to the asshole(s) that reply in an
offensive manner to my post)


first , I gave information, then after I did the homework , I made the
remark. If I WANTED TO BE A SMART ASS, I WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BOTHERED TO
GIVE THE INFO.
So, with that in mind don't be such a wussy and get offended, if I hurt
your
feelings, I don't care. really, it is not hard to dig up information, just
seems like people are either ignorant or just too damn lazy to look it up
themselves. Don't take it personal.

It would be an asset if it would have said " I have done a search and came
up with nothing"
or something along them lines.





rb March 21st 05 03:48 PM

D. Brown

Don't let people like George bother you.
I think your question was fine. THAT'S what
news groups are for!
Folks like him have nothing in their life so they
answer in news groups and try to **** off people.
Hell if he has a CB he would be the one keying up and ****ing folks off that
way.
Grow up George.............



"D. Brown" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know what frequency Tethers operate on, the kind that they use
for people who are under house-arrest? Would be interesting to know if any
of the neighbors are a smooth criminal.

Thanks in advance.




Paul Keenleyside March 22nd 05 06:21 AM


"rb" wrote in message
...
D. Brown

Don't let people like George bother you.
I think your question was fine. THAT'S what
news groups are for!
Folks like him have nothing in their life so they
answer in news groups and try to **** off people.
Hell if he has a CB he would be the one keying up and ****ing folks off
that way.
Grow up George.............


People do that using CB?

I figured people who use CB talk like Hank Snow or Bulford T. Justice and
keep saying 'that's a big ten-four."

Folks who have nothing in life use CB?



Mike Tschel. March 23rd 05 06:52 AM

Wow! Excellent article. And, BTW - to the original poster - I didn't think
your question was stupid at all! In fact, I was wondering the same thing
myself a while back.

Thanks for the info!
Mike T.

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:51:33 -0500, in rec.radio.scanner "D. Brown"
wrote:

Does anyone know what frequency Tethers operate on, the kind that they

use
for people who are under house-arrest? Would be interesting to know if

any
of the neighbors are a smooth criminal.

Thanks in advance.

State and federal correction agencies are staggering under the cost of
incarcerating the nation's 1.6 million inmates -- more than all personnel

on
active duty in the U.S. armed forces. And the number is growing. The

Bureau of
Justice Statistics estimates that by the year 2005 the prison population

will be
3.5 million. If the underlying causes are not addressed, that number could

be
even higher.

Since the Supreme Court ruled that federal prisons cannot exceed 125

percent
capacity, and state prisons 117 percent -- limits reached by most in the

1980s
-- the criminal justice system has been forced to release increasing

numbers of
inmates before their sentences are up to make room for dangerous

criminals. In
the past, those on early release were generally placed in house-arrest

programs,
and their presence in the home electronically monitored. Nonviolent,

low-risk
offenders, allowed out to work at day jobs, had to be "clocked in" at

hours
prescribed by the supervising agency.

ELECTRONIC MONITORING
Monitoring programs are considerably cheaper than incarceration. They also
enable working offenders to begin paying restitution to victims and

reimbursing
the state for the cost of monitoring. Also, since 68 percent of

incarcerated
first-timers end up back inside, placing them in monitoring programs

instead of
in cells with habitual criminals may help reduce recidivism among this

group.

Conventional house-arrest electronic monitoring systems use a miniature
transmitter locked around the offender's ankle. The device communicates

with a
modem attached to the telephone. When the individual comes home, the

transmitter
instructs the modem to send a "time-in" message to a central monitoring
facility. If the subject goes beyond, say, 150 feet from the house, the

modem
automatically transmits a "time-out" message. The information is relayed

to the
supervising agency, where it goes into a database of case files.

Correction or
parole officers can bring up a file at any time to see if the subject is

abiding
by the prescribed home-confinement hours.

However, conventional house-arrest monitoring does not track the movements

of
individuals outside the home. "The problem with these systems," said

former
Florida governor and U.S. drug czar Bob Martinez, "is that if you're not

home,
no one knows where you are." With growing pressure to put more offenders

on
electronic monitoring, the need is a system that enables supervising

agencies to
know where the offender is at all times.

GPS TRACKING
Pro Tech Monitoring Inc., a company headed by Martinez, developed the

Satellite
Monitoring and Remote Tracking (SMART) system, which combines GIS, GPS,

cellular
phone and Internet technologies for 24-hour tracking. The person under
supervision wears a 3.5-ounce, tamper-proof ankle bracelet electronically
"leashed" to a small, portable tracking device (PTD) carried in a waist

pack,
handbag or briefcase. The PTD contains the microprocessor, GPS receiver

and
cellular/land-line communication system.

According to Martinez, the rules of behavior can be programmed into each

device
from a desktop PC. Constraints can include boundaries set up by geography

and
time -- where the subject is supposed to be at specific hours of the day

and
night, routes to and from work or rehabilitation classes, restricted areas

of
the community and the distance in feet the individual may be from the

device.
This can be up to 1,000 feet, depending on the type of work the person

does. If
the specified distance is exceeded for more than a few minutes, the device
notifies the control center of the violation. The police are then directed

to
apprehend the person.

If a guideline is violated, the device warns the subject with an alarm, a
digitized voice and a liquid crystal display message. A violation not

corrected
within the required time, usually minutes, triggers a call to the control

center
via cellular phone. When the subject is home, the device automatically

switches
communications from cellular to the home telephone. "The device is like a

warden
looking down on you to be sure that you comply," said Martinez.

From a desktop PC, a parole officer or case supervisor can access a file

at the
central control Web site, and trace past movements or track an

individual's
movements in realtime on a computerized map. The file allows the agency to

see
if the person is showing up for work on time, going to rehabilitation

classes
every week, or has been at or near the scene of a crime. Pro Tech inventor

Hoyt
Layson Jr. said the system can also be used as an investigative tool.

"Imagine
being able to go into a 7-Eleven with a list of mug shots of subjects that

were
in the area at the time of the crime."

RESTRAINING ORDERS
According to Martinez, SMART is particularly effective in cases involving
domestic violence. If, for example, an abusive husband or boyfriend under

court
restraint comes within so many miles of where his wife or girlfriend lives

or
works, he is immediately warned of imminent arrest unless he leaves the

area. At
the same time, the victim is warned to get to a safer place. If the

warning is
ignored or the PTD ditched, police in the area are directed to apprehend

the
person.

What happens if the offender tries to take the system apart? "Turn one

screw,"
said Martinez, "and the unit automatically sends a 'help' message to
headquarters."

TESTING BEGINS
SMART will be tested this year in Florida and Pennsylvania. Bureau Chief

Richard
Nimer of the Florida Department of Corrections said the agency will begin

trial
runs in Tallahassee, Tampa, St. Petersburg, Clearwater, Orlando, Pensacola

and
Jacksonville. "We'll put it on ourselves -- those of us on the

implementation
team, probably a few of the judges, maybe the state attorney -- wear it

for
awhile and make sure that it articulates where we've been. After that

we'll
start off with low-risk offenders. If it works properly, we'll move on to
high-risk types."

Nimer said there is no shortage of eligibles for electronic monitoring in
Florida. "Our community control program is the largest in the nation --

we've
got over 15,000 on house arrest; of that, only about 1,000 are

electronically
monitored. Then we've got another 140,000 on state-felony probation. The

vast
majority of our caseloads have not been supervised using electronic

monitoring.
With GPS, however, we'll have a type of supervision that we've never had

before.
We envision using this as a tool to enhance personal supervision of these
offenders."

He added that plea agreements involving sex offenders and pedophiles often
result in putting them on the community control program. "When witnesses

are
unwilling to testify, or the charges are not sound," Nimer said, "the

courts
will accept plea agreements. Out of all the cases disposed of in felony

court in
the state of Florida, only 3 percent go to trial. At times you end up with
high-risk types on supervision that you would rather see in prison. If

they are
on supervision, ultimately, they're the ones we want to pinpoint for

electronic
monitoring.

"This approach is the opposite of that taken by most jurisdictions. They

try to
find a group of people who don't pose a risk that are going to be

successful on
the program. We want electronic monitoring on the worst of the worst,

because
they are going to cause the most problems. For example, we haven't used
electronic monitoring on nonviolent drug offenders. We've used it on sex
offenders and pedophiles because we believe they pose a greater threat to

the
community."

Nimer said departments of corrections and local law enforcement can work

out
partnerships based on the new system. "The dispatcher of the local

sheriff's
office can be notified when a violation occurs. The message will pop up on

the
mapping software in their office showing the location of the device. The
dispatcher can then direct a [patrol car] already in the field to pick up

the
person."

He acknowledged that the new technology is a more expensive alternative

than
traditional electronic monitoring, but felt communities will be getting

greater
protection because GPS has far more capabilities. "The new system is going

to
cost us $12 to $18 a day, per offender, excluding staff expenses, but we

expect
that to drop in time as the company recovers R&D costs."

PENNSYLVANIA
Lackawanna County, Pa., will begin field testing SMART, using office staff

and
volunteers, then do a six-month trial with low- to medium-risk defendants

who
are already in the criminal justice system. District Attorney Michael J.
Barrasse said the system will eventually be used in certain bail

situations, and
with parolees and various work-release individuals "to ensure we know

where they
are, and whether or not they are complying with their conditions of

release.

"At this point, however, the county is looking at the system more as a

tool to
provide post-sentence protection for the victim, where the offender is
classified as low- to medium-risk" said Barrasse. "One of the strong

points of
the system is its ability to track the abuser as well as the person who

needs
protection. If they're both traveling, and their zones happen to cross,

his
alarm will go off. If he gets closer and violates a second zone, both his

and
the victim's alarms will go off, along with the police being notified, and

our
assistant DA who is on call -- the victim is no longer in the dark."

And if the offender ditches the device? "All of these monitors have one

failing
-- if somebody snaps and ditches the PTD, or snips it off, you may know

where
that person was last, but you don't know where they're going to. With this
system, though, both the supervising agency and the victim are going to

know the
offender has broken contact with the device. This allows the victim to

move to a
safe place until the offender is relocated."

DEAD ZONES
Since Lackawanna County is in the northeast corner of Pennsylvania, near

the
Pocono Mountains, one of the objectives of testing will be to determine

the
effects of the mountains on operating the system and other areas where

satellite
signals are blocked. Since even geodetic-grade GPS receivers with

sophisticated
antennas on tall masts are subject to occasional signal blocking by

mountains,
hills, forests, trees with heavy canopies, and tall buildings,

jurisdictions may
have to work around these limitations, possibly by requiring the subject

to
notify the control center before entering buildings or going into areas

known to
block satellite signals. "We are not overly concerned about this,"

Barrasse
said, "for the simple fact that we would only lose contact with the device

for a
few seconds."

Another factor may be accuracy. With selective availability (SA), a

feature
imposed by the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) that diminishes GPS

accuracy for
non-military uses, GPS-derived coordinates have an accuracy of about 300

feet,
although measurements made over 30 minutes or more from a fixed position

can
average out to about 50 feet. Without SA, raw GPS is accurate to 60 feet.

Since
the president has given the DOD 10 years to remove SA, it is likely to be

around
for a while. On the other hand, if GPS monitoring systems incorporate
differential correction signals, as broadcast by the Coast Guard or other
agencies, differential GPS accuracy will be better than 15 feet. But,

Layson
said, "Jurisdictions are not interested in knowing which chair the

offender is
in, they're interested in his movements through the community."

Authorities in Florida and Pennsylvania have discussed the feasibility of

the
system with experts as well as with judicial, law enforcement and

corrections
representatives nationwide. "We have talked with a number of district
attorneys," said Barrasse, "throughout the state and on the national

level. Law
enforcement and district attorneys' offices around the country are looking

to
see if this is going to be an effective tool."

OUTLOOK
As research and development progress in this field, monitoring systems

will get
smaller with each generation. Barrasse definitely believes this is the

direction
GPS-based monitoring systems are heading. "I don't think we're so far away

from
this becoming a more advanced system similar to heart monitors -- not

right now,
but down the road."

Martinez agreed. "Obviously, our devices will get smaller as batteries

become
smaller and more cost effective. Some of our visionary engineers say we

can
probably have the system down to where it would all be in the ankle

bracelet. I
don't see that for the next couple of years, but I do see it being the

size of a
typical Motorola cellular [phone] in the near future."

Higher-risk individuals will eventually be placed on this new GPS-based
monitoring system if testing in Florida and Pennsylvania show the system

is
consistently reliable and offenders would rather carry the device, follow

rules,
and have a measure of freedom than be in prison.

As for the voluntary aspect of the system, with 1.4 percent of America's
population in jail by 2005, a self-contained, tamper-proof ankle bracelet

is
inevitable. Scientists say that identification implants are already

possible.
Can monitoring implants be far behind?

Bill McGarigle is a freelance writer specializing in communication and
information technology. E-mail:

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George Kinzer March 24th 05 12:57 AM

Folks like him have nothing in their life so they
answer in news groups and try to **** off people
Folks who have nothing in life use CB?




What, whine like a bitch cause I made a statement about using a "search
engine"
Like I said, I did some seating on the Internet, posted a link, then I got
to thinking, "why am I doing all this searching?" I emailed him Personally
and it bounced.
You don't have a clue about my life, what I do, think I got time for
baby-sitting?
Look at the last hundred post I have made. Think I intend to **** people
off?
Assumptions.

**** him off? I don't care if I did or not.
Now YOU making comments?
Stick to the Facts.
NOT your assumptions.
I won't bring it down to your level. Not now, not ever.



tom March 24th 05 01:11 AM

I know you are, but what am I?

Nyeah, nyeah.

Can we watch cartoons now?



D. Brown March 24th 05 03:54 AM

People do that using CB?

I figured people who use CB talk like Hank Snow or Bulford T. Justice and
keep saying 'that's a big ten-four."

Folks who have nothing in life use CB?



I did use a "search engine" as George had suggested, and I did find that
these are some of the groups George frequents or at least posts to under the
nym used here.

rec.autos.sport.nascar
rec.radio.cb
rec.sport.pro-wrestling
rec.outdoors.fishing.bass

And to top it all off it looks as though he's from Alabama.

Two of these things together don't mean much as far as judging one's
character really, but combined... well....

If your daddy walks you to school every morning because he's in the same
grade as you.. You just might be George Kinzer.



D. Brown March 24th 05 03:58 AM

What, whine like a bitch cause I made a statement about using a "search
engine"
Like I said, I did some seating on the Internet, posted a link, then I got
to thinking, "why am I doing all this searching?" I emailed him Personally
and it bounced.
You don't have a clue about my life, what I do, think I got time for
baby-sitting?
Look at the last hundred post I have made. Think I intend to **** people
off?
Assumptions.

**** him off? I don't care if I did or not.
Now YOU making comments?
Stick to the Facts.
NOT your assumptions.
I won't bring it down to your level. Not now, not ever.


Hey look George, I am really sorry. Looks as though I have struck a nerve
bringing up the subject of "Tethers" and "House-Arrest".

You didn't really have to go through all of the trouble "baby sitting" me
and presenting me with that nice Power Point presentation on Tethers.
But I guess it gave you something to bitch about.

Anyhow, hopefully your parole will be cut short for your outstanding
behavior and your friendly demeanor towards others. The Tether will be off
before you know it and then you can start hitting the hooch again. Maybe you
won't be so edgy and angry all of the time.



George Kinzer March 24th 05 06:44 AM

Anyhow, hopefully your parole will be cut short for your outstanding
behavior and your friendly demeanor towards others. The Tether will be off
before you know it and then you can start hitting the hooch again. Maybe you
won't be so edgy and angry all of the time.

A) I don't drink
B) Never seen a Tether
C) "C " ya later




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