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Paul Hirose August 17th 05 04:11 AM

10-codes losing popularity
 
The wheel seems to be coming full circle: plain language is gaining
popularity over 10-codes in emergency communciations. The problem is
that too many local 10-code dialects have developed over the years.
They can cause misunderstandings when multiple agencies work together
in a major incident.

In my area of California the sheriff departments use 10-codes but the
fire departments don't. I have no idea how long this state of affairs
has prevailed, since I only got into the scanning hobby last summer.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...008975,00.html

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clfe August 17th 05 12:34 PM

"Paul Hirose" wrote in message
ink.net...
The wheel seems to be coming full circle: plain language is gaining
popularity over 10-codes in emergency communciations. The problem is
that too many local 10-code dialects have developed over the years.
They can cause misunderstandings when multiple agencies work together
in a major incident.

In my area of California the sheriff departments use 10-codes but the
fire departments don't. I have no idea how long this state of affairs
has prevailed, since I only got into the scanning hobby last summer.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...008975,00.html

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Paul Hirose
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Here - before "our" 911 system came on board - the 10 codes tended to vary
among Police units like people's choice of colors of homes. It could be very
confusing. As to the Fire Services, the city - so far as I know, barely uses
them if at all. Here in the rural area, there are a very few 10-codes used
by the fire departments, but they coincide with those used by the police
where appropriate. Therefore - less confusion for the 911 center. The
Phonetic Alphabet still creates some confusion. IF a cop has a brain freeze
and calls off a letter such as "F" as "funny" or "friday" the 911 center
will call them on it. They stick to "a" form of the alphabet and that is it.
I'm trying to think now - I don't think they use the same as say the Hams
do.

clf



Bob August 17th 05 12:40 PM

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:34:39 -1200, "clfe"
wrote:

"Paul Hirose" wrote in message
link.net...
The wheel seems to be coming full circle: plain language is gaining
popularity over 10-codes in emergency communciations. The problem is
that too many local 10-code dialects have developed over the years.
They can cause misunderstandings when multiple agencies work together
in a major incident.

In my area of California the sheriff departments use 10-codes but the
fire departments don't. I have no idea how long this state of affairs
has prevailed, since I only got into the scanning hobby last summer.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...008975,00.html

--
Paul Hirose
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Here - before "our" 911 system came on board - the 10 codes tended to vary
among Police units like people's choice of colors of homes. It could be very
confusing. As to the Fire Services, the city - so far as I know, barely uses
them if at all. Here in the rural area, there are a very few 10-codes used
by the fire departments, but they coincide with those used by the police
where appropriate. Therefore - less confusion for the 911 center. The
Phonetic Alphabet still creates some confusion. IF a cop has a brain freeze
and calls off a letter such as "F" as "funny" or "friday" the 911 center
will call them on it. They stick to "a" form of the alphabet and that is it.
I'm trying to think now - I don't think they use the same as say the Hams
do.


there is a military phonetic alphabet...the one we use in the coast
guard and it's the same one used by hams. the coast guard is a
stickler to the point that we get called on it if we use 'oh' instead
of 'zero' in a number.

---------------------------
to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com"
and enter 'wf3h' in the field

rtc August 17th 05 11:18 PM

The TV show "Cops" did a show years ago from
Broward(?) County Fla.,which is the Miami area.
It was Shocking...they were using Q-signals!
At first I thought I was imagining it,but the
dispatcher was saying things like QSL and QTH.
Really gets your attention...

"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:34:39 -1200, "clfe"
wrote:

"Paul Hirose" wrote in message
link.net...
The wheel seems to be coming full circle: plain language is gaining
popularity over 10-codes in emergency communciations. The problem is
that too many local 10-code dialects have developed over the years.
They can cause misunderstandings when multiple agencies work together
in a major incident.

In my area of California the sheriff departments use 10-codes but the
fire departments don't. I have no idea how long this state of affairs
has prevailed, since I only got into the scanning hobby last summer.


http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...008975,00.html

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Here - before "our" 911 system came on board - the 10 codes tended to

vary
among Police units like people's choice of colors of homes. It could be

very
confusing. As to the Fire Services, the city - so far as I know, barely

uses
them if at all. Here in the rural area, there are a very few 10-codes

used
by the fire departments, but they coincide with those used by the police
where appropriate. Therefore - less confusion for the 911 center. The
Phonetic Alphabet still creates some confusion. IF a cop has a brain

freeze
and calls off a letter such as "F" as "funny" or "friday" the 911 center
will call them on it. They stick to "a" form of the alphabet and that is

it.
I'm trying to think now - I don't think they use the same as say the Hams
do.


there is a military phonetic alphabet...the one we use in the coast
guard and it's the same one used by hams. the coast guard is a
stickler to the point that we get called on it if we use 'oh' instead
of 'zero' in a number.

---------------------------
to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com"
and enter 'wf3h' in the field




Paul Hirose August 19th 05 07:38 PM

Here's more on the National Incident Management System plain language
requirement that the newspaper article mentioned.

http://www.nimsteam.com/nims_faq.htm#14f

"All exercises that responders participate in should feature plain
English commands so they can function in a multi-jurisdiction
environment."

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Steve Uhrig August 21st 05 02:04 AM

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:38:04 GMT, "Paul Hirose"
wrote:

Here's more on the National Incident Management System plain language
requirement that the newspaper article mentioned.


"All exercises that responders participate in should feature plain
English commands so they can function in a multi-jurisdiction
environment."


Our county mandates NIMS/ICS (Incident Command System) for all
agencies. They still use APCO 10 codes for day to day chatter, where
NIMS is a management system and not radio-specific. I don't recall any
mention in this or advanced NIMS courses about avoiding 10 codes, but
an unwritten given is all should be using the standard APCO 10 code.

FEMA offers a simple and free online NIMS intro course here open to
anyone:

http://168.143.180.84/FEMA/VC/is700_NIMS

It takes about 3 hours, has multimedia and is well done. You take an
online final, get an email pass/fail, and a paper certificate about 8
weeks later via post.

The above IS-700 course is mandatory for RACES membership in our
county. Good idea, as it makes sure everyone is on the same page in
the big picture, and defines who does what.

Steve

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Bob August 21st 05 09:58 PM

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:18:07 -0500, "rtc" wrote:

The TV show "Cops" did a show years ago from
Broward(?) County Fla.,which is the Miami area.
It was Shocking...they were using Q-signals!
At first I thought I was imagining it,but the
dispatcher was saying things like QSL and QTH.
Really gets your attention...


yep...saw a movie..an old one starring montgomery clift. the credits
said everyone in the movie apart from clift was active duty
military...it was about the berlin airlift.

as one of the planes comes into the airport, the controller asked him
to 'qsy' to another freq. was amazed...

---------------------------
to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com"
and enter 'wf3h' in the field

Lumpy September 5th 05 01:11 AM

clfe wrote:
Here - before "our" 911 system came on
board - the 10 codes tended to vary among
Police units like people's choice of colors
of homes. It could be very confusing...


I used to be the director of communications
at an S.O. Our codes shared SOME common
terms with the PD, others vaired quite a bit.

Example:
Signal 10 (SO) Minor traffic accident
Signal 10 (PD) Armed robbery

So one day one of the local armored car
transporters, who all had the SO frequency
for emergencies, called in and said -
"Advise the PD they have a signal 10
here at the corner of central and 3rd"

Were they reporting a fender bender or
were they reporting that the armored car
had been robbed?

PD, hearing the traffic on their scanners,
went screaming to the scene code 3, to find
a fender bender, no robbery. BTW code 3 meant
"Injury Accident" to yet another local agency.

Another difference:

One agency 10-53 = tow truck
10-54 = ambulance
Neighbor agency 10-53 = ambulance
10-54 = tow truck
Very confusing when one agency sends a terminal
message or comes up on your freq and says
"We have a 53 enroute to XXX location"

I'm a firm believer in plain language.
Although that has it's problems as well.

Example:

DISPATCHER "County units, I'll be off the air
for a few minutes, troubleshooting
in the jail"
Came across to some mobile units as
"triple shooting in the jail"

COUNTY ELECTION OFFICIAL:
"We have a machine gone down in the courthouse"
Came across as
"We have a machine gun down in the courthouse"


Sgt Lumpy





Lumpy September 5th 05 01:19 AM

Bob wrote:

yep...saw a movie..an old one starring montgomery clift. the
credits said everyone in the movie apart from clift was active
duty military...it was about the berlin airlift.

as one of the planes comes into the airport, the controller asked
him to 'qsy' to another freq. was amazed...


In the 60's movie "Them" about giant ants
that attacked New Mexico, the cops, supposed
to be NM State Police used KMA628 for their
callsign.

Not radio related, but on some of the old "Flipper"
TV shows, the coast guard helicopter winch guy
had a helmet that read "NAVY".

And speaking of Flipper, what kind of callsign
is WD9598, that Ranger Ricks used to say on his radio?


Sarge



Robbie McFerren September 5th 05 06:06 PM

They are somewhat common in my area of south central Pa at least for the PD.
I have noticed that they have their regular meaning (not sure about 10-10)
but the ones I noticed are 10-1 (Weak Signal) 10-4 (Afirmative) and 10-10
(Negative). I used to play around with CBs and have these codes in a book
somewhere.
"Paul Hirose" wrote in message
ink.net...
The wheel seems to be coming full circle: plain language is gaining
popularity over 10-codes in emergency communciations. The problem is
that too many local 10-code dialects have developed over the years.
They can cause misunderstandings when multiple agencies work together
in a major incident.

In my area of California the sheriff departments use 10-codes but the
fire departments don't. I have no idea how long this state of affairs
has prevailed, since I only got into the scanning hobby last summer.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...008975,00.html

--
Paul Hirose
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Lumpy September 5th 05 09:31 PM

Robbie McFerren wrote:
They are somewhat common in my area of south central Pa at least
for the PD. I have noticed that they have their regular meaning
(not sure about 10-10) but the ones I noticed are 10-1 (Weak
Signal) 10-4 (Afirmative) and 10-10 (Negative)...


10-4 is the only one that I've ever seen
universally mean the same thing.

Variants I've seen
10-1:
- Relay this traffic "10-1 this info to the field supervisor"
- Enroute to hosp "Medic 2 10-1 to St Anthony's"
- Are you ok status request "ADAM SIX 10-1?"
- Sober "This subject is 10-1"

10-10:
- Lunch "Unit 9 10-10 at Wendy's"
- Paperwork "Pick up your 10-10's at the jail"
- Arriving on scene "Medic ONE is 10-10 the accident scene"
- Your call cancelled "Medic TWO you have been 10-10'd"


n0eq Lumpy



Joe September 29th 05 10:24 PM

10-codes losing popularity
 
I've been a public-safety dispatcher for the last 15 years now for 2
agencies (1 full-time, 1 on-call), dispatching PD/FD/EMS. I disagree with
the statement that 10-codes are losing popularity. At least in this
God-forsaken Hell of northern NJ 10-codes seem to be holding their own.
Both agencies I work for are in the same county of northern NJ and each of
the 2 police departments use their own 10-code list. The FD in the
full-time agency also has their own 10-code/signal list. The EMS unit uses
some of the PD 10-codes. The dispatchers and officers use a mixture of
10-codes/signals and plain english. The supervisors, including the comm
center supervisors, do not enforce the use of either style. Their only
concern is that we are clear, precise, and professional-sounding on the
radio. The on-call agency only has 10-codes/signals for the PD, and again
there is no enforcement of either style, just be professional on the air.
However, most dispatchers strive to be as professional as possible and use
the 10-codes/signals.

From a security standpoint the 10-code/signals do nothing. Anyone who
listens to an agency for even a short amount of time will be able to figure
out what the 10-codes/signals are. We're all scanner buffs here and I
venture to say that almost every single one of us didn't know what we were
listening to when we first set up our first scanner. But after a short
amount of time we figured it out.

My opinion is that 10-code/signals are fine for everyday ops involving just
your agency. Those incidents that require multiple jurisdictions are
obviously candidates for plain english. Again, security is not an issue
here.....look at how many media helicopters, TV and radio news vans show up
during a multi-agency event. Everybody is listening to their scanners...if
they weren't they wouldn't be there. What is an issue is the ability for
agencies to work together on a common frequency (such as SPEN in NJ) with no
misunderstanding. If there is sensitive information to be relayed it can
(and has been already) relayed via cell-phone or Nextel.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few years. Now...can
somebody get me out of this Hell that is NJ????? I HATE THIS STATE!!!!!

--
.....lately it occurs to me....what a long, strange trip it's been.



[email protected] September 30th 05 01:43 AM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:24:01 -0400, "Joe"
wrote:

I've been a public-safety dispatcher for the last 15 years now for 2
agencies (1 full-time, 1 on-call), dispatching PD/FD/EMS. I disagree with
the statement that 10-codes are losing popularity. At least in this
God-forsaken Hell of northern NJ 10-codes seem to be holding their own.
Both agencies I work for are in the same county of northern NJ and each of
the 2 police departments use their own 10-code list. The FD in the
full-time agency also has their own 10-code/signal list. The EMS unit uses
some of the PD 10-codes. The dispatchers and officers use a mixture of
10-codes/signals and plain english. The supervisors, including the comm
center supervisors, do not enforce the use of either style. Their only
concern is that we are clear, precise, and professional-sounding


Fine until someone gives a 10-xx (meaning I'm going to lunch)
in response to someone who thinks it means I'm responding.

Nice that they want you to be professional _sounding_, but
real professionals would clear up this "my way" childishness to avoid
confusion or disaster in a real emergency where multiple agencies were
thrown together.

on the
radio. The on-call agency only has 10-codes/signals for the PD, and again
there is no enforcement of either style, just be professional on the air.
However, most dispatchers strive to be as professional as possible and use
the 10-codes/signals.

From a security standpoint the 10-code/signals do nothing. Anyone who
listens to an agency for even a short amount of time will be able to figure
out what the 10-codes/signals are. We're all scanner buffs here and I
venture to say that almost every single one of us didn't know what we were
listening to when we first set up our first scanner. But after a short
amount of time we figured it out.

My opinion is that 10-code/signals are fine for everyday ops involving just
your agency. Those incidents that require multiple jurisdictions are
obviously candidates for plain english. Again, security is not an issue
here.....look at how many media helicopters, TV and radio news vans show up
during a multi-agency event. Everybody is listening to their scanners...if
they weren't they wouldn't be there. What is an issue is the ability for
agencies to work together on a common frequency (such as SPEN in NJ) with no
misunderstanding. If there is sensitive information to be relayed it can
(and has been already) relayed via cell-phone or Nextel.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few years. Now...can
somebody get me out of this Hell that is NJ????? I HATE THIS STATE!!!!!



Al Klein September 30th 05 04:16 PM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:43:16 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Nice that they want you to be professional _sounding_, but
real professionals would clear up this "my way" childishness to avoid
confusion or disaster in a real emergency where multiple agencies were
thrown together.


And you've been a professional dispatcher for how long?

M. October 1st 05 07:00 AM

10-codes losing popularity
 

"Al Klein" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:43:16 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Nice that they want you to be professional _sounding_, but
real professionals would clear up this "my way" childishness to avoid
confusion or disaster in a real emergency where multiple agencies were
thrown together.


And you've been a professional dispatcher for how long?


Not to mention how many multi-jurisdictional incidents has he worked?
Sounds like all hat and no cattle, as we say here in the southwest. A GOOD
dispatcher adapts to the circumstances. If you can't handle changing
circumstances, let somebody who can do the job.

Been there, done that!
A former PD dispatcher



Al Klein October 1st 05 07:18 AM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 01:00:11 -0500, "M." said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Not to mention how many multi-jurisdictional incidents has he worked?


Or how many years has he spent communicating with more than one agency
(and more than one set of codes) on a daily basis?

Sounds like all hat and no cattle, as we say here in the southwest. A GOOD
dispatcher adapts to the circumstances. If you can't handle changing
circumstances, let somebody who can do the job.


Yep. I tell my wife about the bad accident with a few seriously
injured people (even though she's picked up most of the codes by now,
just hearing me on the cell phone), my OTJ friends in the city about
the bad 10-53/54 and my friends out here about the 10-10 with SPI. And
if I have to talk to a fire department dispatcher I speak English.

Come on - we have 5 year old kids who are multi-lingual. Adults can't
speak more than one "language"?

Been there, done that!


The 'gummint should leave the decisions to the people who actually do
the job. At least in this case they finally got it right. Someone
must have been on vacation.

A former PD dispatcher


"Bloody fingers" like mine.

[email protected] October 3rd 05 07:55 AM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:16:21 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:43:16 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Nice that they want you to be professional _sounding_, but
real professionals would clear up this "my way" childishness to avoid
confusion or disaster in a real emergency where multiple agencies were
thrown together.


And you've been a professional dispatcher for how long?


A rescue team with each member speaking his own language is a
disaster in waiting.. Or did your people learn nothing from the
screwed-up comms on 9/11.

[email protected] October 3rd 05 07:58 AM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 02:18:14 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:



The 'gummint should leave the decisions to the people who actually do
the job. At least in this case they finally got it right. Someone
must have been on vacation.


We saw how well comms went on 9/11, even with all the
"professionals" supposedly spwaking the same language. But "the people
who actually do the job" ouldn't even work each other on the same
frequencies.

Al Klein October 3rd 05 10:47 PM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:58:50 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 02:18:14 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:


The 'gummint should leave the decisions to the people who actually do
the job. At least in this case they finally got it right. Someone
must have been on vacation.


We saw how well comms went on 9/11, even with all the
"professionals" supposedly spwaking the same language.


Those political appointees couldn't get a paper bag to interop with a
bonfire to produce ash.

But "the people who actually do the job" ouldn't even work each other on the same
frequencies.


First, NYPD operates on 450 MHz. FDNY operates on 150 MHz. The
equipment isn't cross-compatible.

Second, the people who "do the job" of specifying the systems for NYC
are professional politicians, not professional communicators. Please
don't get me started - I spent 12 years pulling my hair out over their
supposed "expertise", buying systems that covered 25% of the area the
vendors promised coverage for, or portables that were "state of the
art" - in everything but providing communications.

Now NYS is putting in a MA/Com system for statewide interop. I guess
the question of who's going to pay for all the additional equipment
that every LE and FD in the state will have to buy (and then leave to
rot on a shelf unless it's ever needed, since very few systems in NYS
are MA/Com) isn't something that concerns them. And the fact that, in
the mountainous areas, the state couldn't afford enough coverage on
850 MHz.

There may be some states that have people on the ground making the
decisions, but the federal government and New York (both city and
state) aren't among them.

Michael Brown, anyone?

Al Klein October 3rd 05 10:49 PM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:55:59 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:16:21 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:43:16 GMT,
said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Nice that they want you to be professional _sounding_, but
real professionals would clear up this "my way" childishness to avoid
confusion or disaster in a real emergency where multiple agencies were
thrown together.


And you've been a professional dispatcher for how long?


A rescue team with each member speaking his own language is a
disaster in waiting.. Or did your people learn nothing from the
screwed-up comms on 9/11.


You quite obviously know nothing about the situation in NYC. But
you've evaded the question yet again - HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN A
PROFESSIONAL DISPATCHER?

You won't answer that one, will you? Because you aren't one - you
just know how to make things up and hope they sound good to people who
don't know the actual situation. Surprise! You've been found out.

[email protected] October 4th 05 12:19 AM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:47:18 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:58:50 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 02:18:14 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:


The 'gummint should leave the decisions to the people who actually do
the job. At least in this case they finally got it right. Someone
must have been on vacation.


We saw how well comms went on 9/11, even with all the
"professionals" supposedly spwaking the same language.


Those political appointees couldn't get a paper bag to interop with a
bonfire to produce ash.


Cops and firemen aren't politicaal appointees.


But "the people who actually do the job" ouldn't even work each other on the same
frequencies.


First, NYPD operates on 450 MHz. FDNY operates on 150 MHz. The
equipment isn't cross-compatible.

My point exactly -- they had no common frequencies with which
to coordinate.


Second, the people who "do the job" of specifying the systems for NYC
are professional politicians, not professional communicators. Please
don't get me started - I spent 12 years pulling my hair out over their
supposed "expertise", buying systems that covered 25% of the area the
vendors promised coverage for, or portables that were "state of the
art" - in everything but providing communications.


Ditto.


Now NYS is putting in a MA/Com system for statewide interop. I guess
the question of who's going to pay for all the additional equipment
that every LE and FD in the state will have to buy (and then leave to
rot on a shelf unless it's ever needed, since very few systems in NYS
are MA/Com) isn't something that concerns them. And the fact that, in
the mountainous areas, the state couldn't afford enough coverage on
850 MHz.

There may be some states that have people on the ground making the
decisions, but the federal government and New York (both city and
state) aren't among them.

Michael Brown, anyone?



[email protected] October 4th 05 12:21 AM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:49:49 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:55:59 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:16:21 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:43:16 GMT,
said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Nice that they want you to be professional _sounding_, but
real professionals would clear up this "my way" childishness to avoid
confusion or disaster in a real emergency where multiple agencies were
thrown together.

And you've been a professional dispatcher for how long?


A rescue team with each member speaking his own language is a
disaster in waiting.. Or did your people learn nothing from the
screwed-up comms on 9/11.


You quite obviously know nothing about the situation in NYC. But
you've evaded the question yet again - HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN A
PROFESSIONAL DISPATCHER?

You won't answer that one, will you? Because you aren't one - you
just know how to make things up and hope they sound good to people who
don't know the actual situation. Surprise! You've been found out.


No, I've found out that the alleged professionals can't
coordinate a toilet seat and its lid.

And those who think that failure to standardize on a single
protocol (the name of the thread, right?) are failing in their
responsibilities.

Al Klein October 4th 05 12:33 AM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:19:16 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:47:18 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:58:50 GMT,
said in
rec.radio.scanner:


We saw how well comms went on 9/11, even with all the
"professionals" supposedly spwaking the same language.


Those political appointees couldn't get a paper bag to interop with a
bonfire to produce ash.


Cops and firemen aren't politicaal appointees.


Cops and firemen have no say in the design of the radio systems in NYC
- they're just the professionals who have to use them.

But "the people who actually do the job" ouldn't even work each other on the same
frequencies.


First, NYPD operates on 450 MHz. FDNY operates on 150 MHz. The
equipment isn't cross-compatible.


My point exactly -- they had no common frequencies with which
to coordinate.


Because the people on the ground have no say in how the systems are
set up. You're proving my point.

Al Klein October 4th 05 12:33 AM

10-codes losing popularity
 
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:21:34 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

No, I've found out that the alleged professionals can't
coordinate a toilet seat and its lid.


Which is why the people on the ground, not the "Michael Brown
professional" types, should be making the decisions.

And those who think that failure to standardize on a single
protocol (the name of the thread, right?) are failing in their
responsibilities.


The single protocol - PER SYSTEM (we can't have the same language
spoken on all systems in the universe) - is pretty well set. For
cross-system use, the "protocol" in this country is plain language
English. We don't need Michael Brown and his ilk (and you're numbered
in there) telling us how to do something we've been doing longer than
most of the people on usenet have been alive. No dispatcher worthy of
his pay check uses his department's codes when communicating with
another department.

You still haven't told us how much actual professional experience you
have. I guess "zero" is a fair approximation.


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