It's never a good idea to use vigilante tactics to solve a problem. There
are rules for which all of us must abide. One of those rules is that we must
not intentionally block or interfere with another transmission that is in
progress. We must all share the frequencies in an orderly fashion.

These are the rules. If we were to all ignore these rules and transmit
whenever, however, and wherever we pleased, there would be mass chaos on
most bands. The rules are structured and enforced by the FCC. I cannot
condone any other approach to eliminating unruly examples like K1MAN--as
frustrating as that approach may be.

Wayne P. Muckleroy
(KC8UIO)

"AMEN" wrote in message
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"N9OGL" wrote in message
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It is FAR from over, after the FCC makes it's decision it goes to Court
of Appeal where he can challenge the FCC rules and or decision. If he
transmits, he will be unlicensed which can speed the process to the
court systems like I said it's FAR from over.

Todd N9OGL
The N9OGL Show
14.321.00 Mhz


Wayne Green had by far the best solution to the problem back in 1992:


Wayne Green W2NSD/1
WGI Center
Peterborough NH 03458

Sep. 13, 1992

"While I can appreciate your frustration with Baxter, which I share, your
approach to disenfranchising him seems to indicate that you either do not
read my editorials or at least don't remember them. I've God knows how
many
times been quite blunt about NOT annoying the FCC with our problems.
That's
not only a waste of time, it's downright dangerous... and can cause far
more
trouble than poor little Baxter. Please remember that we keep trying to
convince the FCC that we are self-regulating. Note the term "self."

If a few hams ever want to get rid of Baxter that's not all that
difficult... and you don't even have to pay a hit man to clean off 14,275.
All it takes is a little creativity and some coordinated effort.

As a matter of fact it would be fun to wipe out Baxter. And you wouldn't
even have to have a small group of like-minded hams drive to Maine with
hack
saws for his coax and tower or a concentrated campaign to turn his
neighbors
against him with propaganda. No, all it would take is a few hams with good
signals and some coordination.

I'm sure you can come up with much more fitting tortures for Baxter than
anything I could dream up, but my mind turns to getting the channel about
ten minutes before his broadcasts with my own anti-IARN broadcasts. I'll
bet
I could come up with some material which would burn Baxter, yet would not
quite be actionable. Or I might tape one of his broadcasts and just repeat
it as a "service" right on top of him and wipe him out. I've got as good a
signal as anyone and I'm only a couple hundred miles from him. Knowing the
love they have for him in Maine I'm sure you can find one, two or even
three
strong stations fairly near him to join in the effort to "help" him get
his
broadcasts out.

Of course if you don't know anyone capable of outsmarting Baxter, then you
have no choice but to give up and take up stamp collecting. Baxter may be
loud, but I haven't yet seen any signs of a three digit IQ behind the mess
he's been making for several years.

If you do decide to actually do something instead of wasting your time on
the FCC and ARRL, please let me know. "

Cheers ...
Wayne

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:16:00 GMT, "AMEN" said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Well, you have a point. But I still like his hacksaw idea.

A straight pin through the coax is more subtle - and a lot more
difficult to diagnose.

Wayne P. Muckleroy wrote:
It's never a good idea to use vigilante tactics to solve a problem. There
are rules for which all of us must abide. One of those rules is that we must
not intentionally block or interfere with another transmission that is in
progress. We must all share the frequencies in an orderly fashion.

These are the rules. If we were to all ignore these rules and transmit
whenever, however, and wherever we pleased, there would be mass chaos on
most bands. The rules are structured and enforced by the FCC. I cannot
condone any other approach to eliminating unruly examples like K1MAN--as
frustrating as that approach may be.

Wayne P. Muckleroy
(KC8UIO)

The rules should also apply to W1AW who has also caused malicious
interference. The problem is W1AW is allowed to interfere with on going
transmissions and K1MAN isn't. the rules should apply to all. One final
note, rules are only valid until a court says otherwise.

Todd N9OGL
THE N9OGL SHOW
14.321.00

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:24:38 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:16:00 GMT, "AMEN" said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Well, you have a point. But I still like his hacksaw idea.

A straight pin through the coax is more subtle - and a lot more
difficult to diagnose.

Maybe at one time, but many radio operators have taken steps to
discourage such vandalism, such as running the coax via a path that is
difficult to get to without being noticed. Besides, Baxter is probably
someone that has video security around his station. Do you really
think pinning his coax is something you actually think can feasibly be
accomplished?

Uncle Ted wrote:


This just shows how Wayne contradicts himself. Remember how he used to
bitch about the mess on 14.313? Yet, he's advocating creating another
mess under the guise of "self-policing"...and this is all coming from
a guy who believes crackpot pseudo-scince, like electro-shock therapy,
can cure AIDS, cancer, and even re-grow severed limbs.

Obviously it couldn't cure stupid, as Wayne was a shining example.

N9OGL wrote:


The rules should also apply to W1AW who has also caused malicious
interference. The problem is W1AW is allowed to interfere with on going
transmissions and K1MAN isn't. the rules should apply to all. One final
note, rules are only valid until a court says otherwise.

Still stupid as ever. Will you ever grow up?

"Uncle Ted" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:24:38 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:16:00 GMT, "AMEN" said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Well, you have a point. But I still like his hacksaw idea.

A straight pin through the coax is more subtle - and a lot more
difficult to diagnose.

Maybe at one time, but many radio operators have taken steps to
discourage such vandalism, such as running the coax via a path that is
difficult to get to without being noticed. Besides, Baxter is probably
someone that has video security around his station. Do you really
think pinning his coax is something you actually think can feasibly be
accomplished?

How about a grapple hook tied to a good strong truck, thrown quickly to the
tower and it yanked down? "Possibly" done rather quickly and easily if one
has a good throwing arm. OR how about a laser beam fired from a car on the
street - using an AC Inverter for the power?

Seriously though - if someone wanted to "really" take him or his transmitter
out - it could be done. No one is safe in this day and age. Hang in there,
the FCC will do it..... I've seen them bust others and haul all the
equipment away - towers included.

jm

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:58:57 -0400, Uncle Ted
said in rec.radio.scanner:

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:24:38 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:16:00 GMT, "AMEN" said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Well, you have a point. But I still like his hacksaw idea.

A straight pin through the coax is more subtle - and a lot more
difficult to diagnose.

Maybe at one time, but many radio operators have taken steps to
discourage such vandalism, such as running the coax via a path that is
difficult to get to without being noticed. Besides, Baxter is probably
someone that has video security around his station. Do you really
think pinning his coax is something you actually think can feasibly be
accomplished?

If cutting it with a hacksaw can, yes.

grow up

Barry OGrady wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:11:13 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy" wrote:

It's never a good idea to use vigilante tactics to solve a problem. There
are rules for which all of us must abide.

One of those rules is that we must never top post.

no such rule

there may be a convention, but no rule

One of those rules is that we must
not intentionally block or interfere with another transmission that is in
progress. We must all share the frequencies in an orderly fashion.

These are the rules. If we were to all ignore these rules and transmit
whenever, however, and wherever we pleased, there would be mass chaos on
most bands. The rules are structured and enforced by the FCC. I cannot
condone any other approach to eliminating unruly examples like K1MAN--as
frustrating as that approach may be.

A: Top posting
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

not even even close



Wayne P. Muckleroy
(KC8UIO)

"AMEN" wrote in message
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OK, so let's idolize K1DUDE and follow his example. We'll all start ignoring
the rules and do as we please as long as we can get away with it. Before
long, all amateur bands would be reduced to a bunch of "Citizen's Bands."

"N9OGL" wrote in message
ups.com...

Wayne P. Muckleroy wrote:
It's never a good idea to use vigilante tactics to solve a problem. There
are rules for which all of us must abide. One of those rules is that we
must
not intentionally block or interfere with another transmission that is in
progress. We must all share the frequencies in an orderly fashion.

These are the rules. If we were to all ignore these rules and transmit
whenever, however, and wherever we pleased, there would be mass chaos on
most bands. The rules are structured and enforced by the FCC. I cannot
condone any other approach to eliminating unruly examples like K1MAN--as
frustrating as that approach may be.

Wayne P. Muckleroy
(KC8UIO)

The rules should also apply to W1AW who has also caused malicious
interference. The problem is W1AW is allowed to interfere with on going
transmissions and K1MAN isn't. the rules should apply to all. One final
note, rules are only valid until a court says otherwise.

Todd N9OGL
THE N9OGL SHOW
14.321.00