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You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
AMATEUR RADIO ****???? There's a scat club for ham radio now??? Where can I
sign up??? I LOVE SCAT PLAY!!! "news.vif.com" wrote in message ... DROP SUBJECT! WHO GIVES **** ABOUG AMATEUR RADIO ****! wrote: an old freind wrote: get helps sicko ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Morkie the supposed college graduate makes good sentence! BWHAHAHAHA! --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-1, 08/01/2006 Tested on: 8/1/2006 11:16:52 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-1, 08/01/2006 Tested on: 8/1/2006 11:17:27 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham is to pass a code test
You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham is to pass a
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You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham isto pass a code test
True, you also have to get on the radio and communicate.
Steve Stone wrote: You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham is to pass a code test |
You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham isto pass a code test
WHO GIVES A ****! AMATEUR ASSHOLE AND STUCK UP & THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING
TAKE SUBJECT SOMEWHERE ELSE! OR ELSE **** OFF AND DROP THE SUBJECT Steve Stone wrote: You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham is to pass a code test --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-2, 08/02/2006 Tested on: 8/2/2006 6:53:11 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-2, 08/02/2006 Tested on: 8/2/2006 6:54:22 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham is to pass a code test
"J. D. B." wrote in
: True, you also have to get on the radio and communicate. Right, What CB channel do you like to listen to when you build your model cho-cho trains? SC |
You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham is to pass a code test
HEY...RADIO SHACK HAS A GREAT DEAL ON 10 METER MOBILE RIGS!!!
YYYYEEEEHHHAAAWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww "news.vif.com" wrote in message ... WHO GIVES A ****! AMATEUR ASSHOLE AND STUCK UP & THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING TAKE SUBJECT SOMEWHERE ELSE! OR ELSE **** OFF AND DROP THE SUBJECT Steve Stone wrote: You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham is to pass a code test --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-2, 08/02/2006 Tested on: 8/2/2006 6:53:11 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-2, 08/02/2006 Tested on: 8/2/2006 6:54:22 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham isto pass a code test
Slow Code wrote:
"J. D. B." wrote in : True, you also have to get on the radio and communicate. Right, What CB channel do you like to listen to when you build your model cho-cho trains? SC Uh, it's choo-choo, NOT "cho-cho". If you are going to slam somebody, make sure that -you- don't come across as being a little, how shall I say it, slow. |
You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham is to pass a code test
Joe from Kokomo wrote: Slow Code wrote: "J. D. B." wrote in : True, you also have to get on the radio and communicate. Right, What CB channel do you like to listen to when you build your model cho-cho trains? SC Uh, it's choo-choo, NOT "cho-cho". If you are going to slam somebody, make sure that -you- don't come across as being a little, how shall I say it, slow. sadly he does not seem to be able to help it |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Not Roger Wiseman wrote: AMATEUR RADIO ****???? There's a scat club for ham radio now??? Where can I sign up??? I LOVE SCAT PLAY!!! SO Do I, I love eating my own ****! I even **** myself to get something to drink! Lloyd Davies (256) 233-4396 (256) 232-3000 "news.vif.com" wrote in message ... DROP SUBJECT! WHO GIVES **** ABOUG AMATEUR RADIO ****! wrote: an old freind wrote: get helps sicko ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Morkie the supposed college graduate makes good sentence! BWHAHAHAHA! --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-1, 08/01/2006 Tested on: 8/1/2006 11:16:52 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-1, 08/01/2006 Tested on: 8/1/2006 11:17:27 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
an old freind wrote: wrote: But you are a child molester, Morkie. I grant you forgiveness for your crimes You told me you had picture you were going to e-mail me of it, Mark. Lloyd |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
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You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
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You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
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You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
....This a CB group, or a scanner newsgroup?...Hard to tell...
"an old freind" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: you ran off from nimbusters I see You sucked your daddy's dick without me, I see. only in your demtend dreams woger |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Jack Ricci wrote: ...This a CB group, or a scanner newsgroup?...Hard to tell... it is just Roger Wismen (AB8MQ doing the only things he seem to know how to do try and turn any NG into a sex NG "an old freind" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: you ran off from nimbusters I see You sucked your daddy's dick without me, I see. only in your demtend dreams woger |
You're not a real ham if all you think it takes to be a ham is to pass a code test
"news.vif.com" wrote in message ... WHO GIVES A ****! AMATEUR ASSHOLE AND STUCK UP & THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING TAKE SUBJECT SOMEWHERE ELSE! OR ELSE **** OFF AND DROP THE SUBJECT Go back to your brick outhouse toilet breath |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
SCANNER NEWSGROUP YOU ****EN IDIOT! AND STOP CROSS POSTING YOUR AMATEUR
CRAP! WHO **** CARES! CRAWL BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM AMATEUR NEWSGROUP FAGITS! wrote: an old freind to sodomy wrote: Jack Ricci wrote: ...This a CB group, or a scanner newsgroup?...Hard to tell... Breaker, breaker! HAHAHAHAHA! it is just Roger Wismen (AB8MQ doing the only things he seem to know how to do try and turn any NG into a sex NG While "an old friend" Mark C. Morgan , KB9RQZ wants to turn it into a pedophile meeting place. "an old freind" wrote in message groups.com... wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: you ran off from nimbusters I see You sucked your daddy's dick without me, I see. only in your demtend dreams woger --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-2, 08/02/2006 Tested on: 8/3/2006 3:45:11 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0631-2, 08/02/2006 Tested on: 8/3/2006 3:47:09 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Does anyone still "do" ham? There are cell phones, 15 mile range 2 ways,
satellite phones............... Why would anyone want to take a test to communicate? with Star Trek convention grade people?? "Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... Just thought you should know that. Help save Ham radio and ignore Markie to save usenet. Thanks 1- No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class every ten years. 2- The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. 3- Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. 4- Make the no-code license one year non-renewable. 5- Cancel your ARRL membership until they decide to work to improve things and stop them from proposing ham radio that is like CB. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Of course, if you're not "into" ham radio - you'd never know that - would
you? Cell phones have their limits too. Just as FRS, and others. ALL modes have "limits". AND this is not to say I'm "pro" code. I learned it for my licenses, I listen to it and use it once in a while but not as much as some and a tad more than many. It isn't all about the "code". That hasn't kept the ass holes from invading the airwaves. Don't knock something you've never tried. There is more to it than "just" talking. But, like choosing a "Cell phone" for features - be it video, internet, etc. - aside from "just" talking - ham has many choices too. If you don't like one mode - you try another. Some buy cells "just" for emergencies, while others buy them for all the reasons and effects they can offer. IT IS A MATTER OF PERSONAL TASTE. Cells are the "current" fad just as Ham was to many of you who have never bothered to jump in. Some day Cells will be a thing of the past as well. Like Ham, Cell is NOT the answer to all of life's problems. I've seen THEM fail too when needed most. "dave" cmrbison wrote in message . .. Does anyone still "do" ham? There are cell phones, 15 mile range 2 ways, satellite phones............... Why would anyone want to take a test to communicate? with Star Trek convention grade people?? "Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... Just thought you should know that. Help save Ham radio and ignore Markie to save usenet. Thanks 1- No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class every ten years. 2- The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. 3- Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. 4- Make the no-code license one year non-renewable. 5- Cancel your ARRL membership until they decide to work to improve things and stop them from proposing ham radio that is like CB. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Barry OGrady wrote in
: On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 04:29:02 -0700, "dave" cmrbison wrote: Does anyone still "do" ham? There are cell phones, 15 mile range 2 ways, satellite phones............... Why would anyone want to take a test to communicate? with Star Trek convention grade people?? For that matter why would anyone learn how to avoid top posting? I passed my "ham" test in 1979 and now that the code requirement has been completely removed for amateur radio I have full access to all bands, but I never get on the air. You aren't smart enough to turn a radio on? Bummer. SC |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Exactly...............oops I top posted again.
"Barry OGrady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 04:29:02 -0700, "dave" cmrbison wrote: Does anyone still "do" ham? There are cell phones, 15 mile range 2 ways, satellite phones............... Why would anyone want to take a test to communicate? with Star Trek convention grade people?? For that matter why would anyone learn how to avoid top posting? I passed my "ham" test in 1979 and now that the code requirement has been completely removed for amateur radio I have full access to all bands, but I never get on the air. "Slow Code" wrote in message link.net... Just thought you should know that. Help save Ham radio and ignore Markie to save usenet. Thanks 1- No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class every ten years. 2- The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. 3- Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. 4- Make the no-code license one year non-renewable. 5- Cancel your ARRL membership until they decide to work to improve things and stop them from proposing ham radio that is like CB. Barry ===== Home page http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:41:23 -0400, Al Klein wrote: That's evidently why the number of hams kept decreasing until code was eliminated, right? Ham radio is an old hobby, with mostly older people using it. Older people slow down as they age. Trying to tap out ANY speed code with arthritis or carpal tunnel syndrome isn't going to work for that majority. I re-considered renewing my license about 5 years ago. Today I know I can't tap out 5 wpm. Forcing this outmoded relic of communication on an aging generation is nonsense. -- more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html Well now you cant take a propper Morse test even if you wanted to in the UK. Now the amateur radio licence is free to renew online. If you want to play with digital communication using very low bandwith how about PSK31? Anyway I thought this old troll would be best posted in uk.radio.amateur Andy |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
I believe 'ham' radio is dying, because there is only so many times you can
give radio checks and tell others what kind of equipment you have. If I tune to a ham repeater on my scanner, I hear the same conversations I heard 10 years ago, one guy telling another one what type of radio he has connected to what kinda antenna. Every once in a while you'll hear someone announce the monthy meeting, or some one telling his wife he's caught in traffic and will be late getting home ( which he could have done on a cell phone at 1/100th the cost, and not everyone would know he wasn't home) Ham radio is dying because its outdated, yes you can 'call across the counrty' to another 'ham' for mere pennies ( once you buy the expensive equipment, put up a god awful ugly antenna, as big as your garage, and pass all the tests to allow you to do it ) I can do the same thing using a cell phone with No Test, No Huge antenna, and can call ANYONE that happens to have a phone and as a bonus... the whole world can't listen. As far as being a hobby and 'fun', well maybe, but I hear more people on ham radio talking about the time they have in doing antenna swaps and maintance, that I just can't even imagine that being 'fun'. Ham radio is much like the mail service, who actually sends a friend or family a written letter anymore ? you may get a birthday or christmas card with a 'note', you'll get 'bills' and junk mail, but when is the last time you either got or sent a long letter to a friend or family? Newer technology has rendered 'mail' obsolete, you have telephones, e-mail, instant messangers, and FAX if you really have to send a piece of paper, like a copy of a document. Perhaps if they had dropped the 'code' requirements 30 years ago, they would have picked up a lot of new users, but as far as I can tell, most of the new HF class users have just upgraded from their 'tech' status with very few NEW members actually jumping on the band wagon. "deBaser" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:41:23 -0400, Al Klein wrote: That's evidently why the number of hams kept decreasing until code was eliminated, right? Ham radio is an old hobby, with mostly older people using it. Older people slow down as they age. Trying to tap out ANY speed code with arthritis or carpal tunnel syndrome isn't going to work for that majority. I re-considered renewing my license about 5 years ago. Today I know I can't tap out 5 wpm. Forcing this outmoded relic of communication on an aging generation is nonsense. -- more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html Well now you cant take a propper Morse test even if you wanted to in the UK. Now the amateur radio licence is free to renew online. If you want to play with digital communication using very low bandwith how about PSK31? Anyway I thought this old troll would be best posted in uk.radio.amateur Andy |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Back in 2001, Seattle had an earthquake (a small biggie- lots of damage) and
guess what, the cell phone system went down (up to 4 to 5 hours) and landline phone system was trashed since everyone was calling either 911 or their relatives, or what not. BUT Ham radio was alive and well, and we at the Western Washington Medical Services group were able to maintain contact with the regions hospitals, and blood banks, as well as other emergency services. So, yes ham radio is maybe dying, but it is also a true and able way to comminicate. Also note: when San Francisco had its earthquake, it was again ham radio that got the word out to the world, since their cell phone systems went down, and their landline system was in the same shape! "labtech_one" wrote in message ... I believe 'ham' radio is dying, because there is only so many times you can give radio checks and tell others what kind of equipment you have. If I tune to a ham repeater on my scanner, I hear the same conversations I heard 10 years ago, one guy telling another one what type of radio he has connected to what kinda antenna. Every once in a while you'll hear someone announce the monthy meeting, or some one telling his wife he's caught in traffic and will be late getting home ( which he could have done on a cell phone at 1/100th the cost, and not everyone would know he wasn't home) Ham radio is dying because its outdated, yes you can 'call across the counrty' to another 'ham' for mere pennies ( once you buy the expensive equipment, put up a god awful ugly antenna, as big as your garage, and pass all the tests to allow you to do it ) I can do the same thing using a cell phone with No Test, No Huge antenna, and can call ANYONE that happens to have a phone and as a bonus... the whole world can't listen. As far as being a hobby and 'fun', well maybe, but I hear more people on ham radio talking about the time they have in doing antenna swaps and maintance, that I just can't even imagine that being 'fun'. Ham radio is much like the mail service, who actually sends a friend or family a written letter anymore ? you may get a birthday or christmas card with a 'note', you'll get 'bills' and junk mail, but when is the last time you either got or sent a long letter to a friend or family? Newer technology has rendered 'mail' obsolete, you have telephones, e-mail, instant messangers, and FAX if you really have to send a piece of paper, like a copy of a document. Perhaps if they had dropped the 'code' requirements 30 years ago, they would have picked up a lot of new users, but as far as I can tell, most of the new HF class users have just upgraded from their 'tech' status with very few NEW members actually jumping on the band wagon. "deBaser" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:41:23 -0400, Al Klein wrote: That's evidently why the number of hams kept decreasing until code was eliminated, right? Ham radio is an old hobby, with mostly older people using it. Older people slow down as they age. Trying to tap out ANY speed code with arthritis or carpal tunnel syndrome isn't going to work for that majority. I re-considered renewing my license about 5 years ago. Today I know I can't tap out 5 wpm. Forcing this outmoded relic of communication on an aging generation is nonsense. -- more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html Well now you cant take a propper Morse test even if you wanted to in the UK. Now the amateur radio licence is free to renew online. If you want to play with digital communication using very low bandwith how about PSK31? Anyway I thought this old troll would be best posted in uk.radio.amateur Andy |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"DJ" wrote in message . .. Back in 2001, Seattle had an earthquake (a small biggie- lots of damage) and guess what, the cell phone system went down (up to 4 to 5 hours) and landline phone system was trashed since everyone was calling either 911 or their relatives, or what not. BUT Ok this makes me laugh, cell phones were down 4 to 5 hours ..... so WHAT ? and regular land lines were trashed since people were USING them ( I thought thats what they were for ... to be USED ) Ham radio was alive and well, and we at the Western Washington Medical Services group were able to maintain contact with the regions hospitals, and blood banks, as well as other emergency services. And WHAT EXACTLY were the emergencies that 'HAM' radio handled for these hospitals and blood banks ( that the red cross radio services couldn't have handled) ? So, yes ham radio is maybe dying, but it is also a true and able way to comminicate. Also note: when San Francisco had its earthquake, it was again ham radio that got the word out to the world, since their cell phone systems went down, and their landline system was in the same shape! OK again laughable ..... 'hams' got the word out 'That San Fransisco had an earthquake' ? What CNN, ABC, NBC, etc weren't there ? sending out live feeds via satellite ? ( Hams probably used slow scan TV to send out images .... again to other hams ) And where was FEMA and the local police and fire ( probably using there radios 'to get the word out' ) And lets not forget local radio & TV stations .... I'm sure they sat and waited for the HAM radio operators to do their work for them. And WHO exactly did you get the word out to ? Other hams, who were miles away and couldn't do anything to help anyway ? If the power was out MOST people tune to an AM or FM radio station on a battery powered radio. So I'm sure that was a BIG help. I've heard this crap about 'in case of disaster HAM radio is there', what exactly can a HAM do that someone with a CB, cell phone, or smoke signals can't ? If hams want to be helpful why don't they fill sand bags during a flood ? or take boats out looking for people ? No .... they want to sit at home or car and press the 'push to talk' button ( which I think the Red Cross, Fema, and numerous other agencies already have covered ) "labtech_one" wrote in message ... I believe 'ham' radio is dying, because there is only so many times you can give radio checks and tell others what kind of equipment you have. If I tune to a ham repeater on my scanner, I hear the same conversations I heard 10 years ago, one guy telling another one what type of radio he has connected to what kinda antenna. Every once in a while you'll hear someone announce the monthy meeting, or some one telling his wife he's caught in traffic and will be late getting home ( which he could have done on a cell phone at 1/100th the cost, and not everyone would know he wasn't home) Ham radio is dying because its outdated, yes you can 'call across the counrty' to another 'ham' for mere pennies ( once you buy the expensive equipment, put up a god awful ugly antenna, as big as your garage, and pass all the tests to allow you to do it ) I can do the same thing using a cell phone with No Test, No Huge antenna, and can call ANYONE that happens to have a phone and as a bonus... the whole world can't listen. As far as being a hobby and 'fun', well maybe, but I hear more people on ham radio talking about the time they have in doing antenna swaps and maintance, that I just can't even imagine that being 'fun'. Ham radio is much like the mail service, who actually sends a friend or family a written letter anymore ? you may get a birthday or christmas card with a 'note', you'll get 'bills' and junk mail, but when is the last time you either got or sent a long letter to a friend or family? Newer technology has rendered 'mail' obsolete, you have telephones, e-mail, instant messangers, and FAX if you really have to send a piece of paper, like a copy of a document. Perhaps if they had dropped the 'code' requirements 30 years ago, they would have picked up a lot of new users, but as far as I can tell, most of the new HF class users have just upgraded from their 'tech' status with very few NEW members actually jumping on the band wagon. "deBaser" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:41:23 -0400, Al Klein wrote: That's evidently why the number of hams kept decreasing until code was eliminated, right? Ham radio is an old hobby, with mostly older people using it. Older people slow down as they age. Trying to tap out ANY speed code with arthritis or carpal tunnel syndrome isn't going to work for that majority. I re-considered renewing my license about 5 years ago. Today I know I can't tap out 5 wpm. Forcing this outmoded relic of communication on an aging generation is nonsense. -- more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html Well now you cant take a propper Morse test even if you wanted to in the UK. Now the amateur radio licence is free to renew online. If you want to play with digital communication using very low bandwith how about PSK31? Anyway I thought this old troll would be best posted in uk.radio.amateur Andy |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"labtech_one" wrote in message
... I've heard this crap about 'in case of disaster HAM radio is there', what exactly can a HAM do that someone with a CB, cell phone, or smoke signals can't ? A few years ago there was a hurricane that disrupted the area around Louisiana and Mississippi called Katrina. Amateur radio did a pretty good job of helping out the http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9228945/ http://www.computerworld.com/securit...104418,00.html http://radio.about.com/od/amateursho.../aa090405a.htm http://technocrat.net/d/2006/2/28/985 I'm sure you could have handled it better with your CB radio and cell phone that had no service. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"brad" wrote in message . .. SNIP I'm sure you could have handled it better with your CB radio and cell phone that had no service. Quoted from one of your articles: "On Monday, Aug. 29, a call for help involving a combination of cell telephone calls and amateur radio led to the rescue of 15 people stranded by floodwaters on the roof of a house in New Orleans. Unable to get through an overloaded 911 system, one of those stranded called a relative in Baton Rouge. That person called another relative, who called the local American Red Cross." Sounds like they had 'CELL SERVICE' to me ...... |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"labtech_one" wrote in message
... Quoted from one of your articles: SNIP Sounds like they had 'CELL SERVICE' to me ...... Sounds like you were lucky to have it if you had any at all: http://www.interesting-people.org/ar.../msg00008.html http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...0/ai_n15654915 - References the cell service being only restored to 50% after 5 days. http://www.washingtontechnology.com/...1/27380-1.html I'm sure you cell will do fine for you. They worked great in seattle during the earthquake we had- as long as you did not need to communicate with anyone. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"brad" wrote in message . .. I'm sure you cell will do fine for you. They worked great in seattle during the earthquake we had- as long as you did not need to communicate with anyone. yeah, I've already 'heard' about that one, they were down for 4 or 5 hours, hardly a big deal. Usually when they are going to be out longer than that, they bring in portable cell sites ( generator powered ), and can cover the majority of the effected area. Don't think it really hurt anyone to wait for the few hours to call relatives, and tell them they were OK. And from what I understand, the Red Cross and some other agencies had 'hams' operating their ( the agencies ) radio equipment since they were short handed, and assumed that the hams already knew how to operate a radio. ( which is a really HARD job, considering, you just push a button and talk, then release the button and listen ) Its not like the old days when HAMS really knew how to build, work on, and actually OPERATE a radio ( which years ago was actually some what complicated ). As it is now, 90+% of hams BUY a radio, take it out of the box, and if it needs service, they take it to the service tech. Amature radio contributed alot, in years past, many new radio designs were credited to ham's, when there was JUST land lines ( and they were poor ), if they went down, hams could call to the next city, county, or state. But like I posted earlier, its like the mail service ..... its outdated. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"labtech_one" wrote in message
... yeah, I've already 'heard' about that one, they were down for 4 or 5 hours, hardly a big deal. Not at all- especially if you need medical aid. Usually when they are going to be out longer than that, they bring in portable cell sites ( generator powered ), and can cover the majority of the effected area. Good point- You should invest in one of those to pull behind your fiero. Don't think it really hurt anyone to wait for the few hours to call relatives, and tell them they were OK. Who cares about those calls? Emergency communications dude- reporting critical ****. Telling mom you are alive is not emergency comms. As it is now, 90+% of hams BUY a radio, take it out of the box, and if it needs service, they take it to the service tech. Fine by me. But like I posted earlier, its like the mail service ..... its outdated. No doubt- but it still has a role- especially when all the non-outdated equipment fails when the **** hits the fan. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"brad" wrote in message . .. Not at all- especially if you need medical aid. chances of a ham radio operator being 'at hand' at that time, is about the same as flagging down a squad or a police car. Usually when they are going to be out longer than that, they bring in portable cell sites ( generator powered ), and can cover the majority of the effected area. Good point- You should invest in one of those to pull behind your fiero. The Fiero is getting a new exhaust system, but the Corvette is running fine, thanks I'll bear that in mind. (2 seater plastic cars, you gotta love them ) |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"labtech_one" wrote in message
... chances of a ham radio operator being 'at hand' at that time, is about the same as flagging down a squad or a police car. I'm sure you have the statistics to back that up. It's obvious you see no value in the ham radio system as it is today- that's fine with me. I think redundant, reliable 2 way communications can only help when things go to hell. The Fiero is getting a new exhaust system, but the Corvette is running fine, thanks I'll bear that in mind. (2 seater plastic cars, you gotta love them ) Plastic fantastic- no thanks I'll pass. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"brad" wrote in message . .. chances of a ham radio operator being 'at hand' at that time, is about the same as flagging down a squad or a police car. I'm sure you have the statistics to back that up. It's obvious you see no value in the ham radio system as it is today- that's fine with me. I think redundant, reliable 2 way communications can only help when things go to hell. Actaually no I don't have statistics, to back that up, (The number of sworn officers of local agencies in USA is 1.5 per 1,000 of population.) that means that there would be at least 450,000 police alone, but there are well over 1 million police and fire personel in the USA, somehow I don't believe ham radio carries quite that number, last I heard.( the ARRL reports 150,000-members ) So actually finding a police or EMS/Fire person, should be easier. The Fiero is getting a new exhaust system, but the Corvette is running fine, thanks I'll bear that in mind. (2 seater plastic cars, you gotta love them ) Plastic fantastic- no thanks I'll pass. NO RUST :) |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"labtech_one" wrote in message
... "brad" wrote in message . .. chances of a ham radio operator being 'at hand' at that time, is about the same as flagging down a squad or a police car. Actaually no I don't have statistics, to back that up, (The number of sworn officers of local agencies in USA is 1.5 per 1,000 of population.) that means that there would be at least 450,000 police alone, but there are well over 1 million police and fire personel in the USA, somehow I don't believe ham radio carries quite that number, last I heard.( the ARRL reports 150,000-members ) So actually finding a police or EMS/Fire person, should be easier. in 2000 there were almost 700,000 licensed hams in the US. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
Ok so we argree that the chances are roughly ( give or take a few
percentages) that a ham on a scene is about as good as finding an 'emergency' ( police/fire) person. And I never said there wasn't a 'place' for ham radio, as a hobby its great, if thats what you enjoy, ( same as me restoring 20 year old cars and listening to my shortwave ( talk about a dying hobby ), or my scanners, ( also evolving, to digital and a pain in the butt ) I even own a couple Yeasu FT767 GX+ rigs, 1 with filtered speaker, and the other with the phone patch speaker Both have the 6m, 2m, 70cm modules ( both came that way), They make FANTASTIC shortwave radios. Don't get me wrong, I love radio, radios, and radio equipment ( I've spent thousands of dollars on radios ) The one I cherrish the most, is probably my 1938 Zenith 9 tube Walton tombstone tube radio. Justifying HAM radio by its NEED in a emergercy, just isn't as true as it was 30, 40 or 50 years ago. As a hobby, I say go for it, but don't expect people to believe that ham radio is NEEDED. What annoys me, is the jackass's that clung to CW like it was the very heart of ham radio. Its outdated ( a relic from before the civil war ) Had these people changed the rules 30 years ago and got more and younger people interested, ham radio might not be where it is today. Another thing that annoys me about HAM radio ( or should I say its users ) is, well read this and you figure it out : "Thumper2u" wrote in message ups.com... I'm new in here. Looks like this might be a good group for me to ask some questions. I used to enjoy scanners back in the day when they were all analog, and before police, fire and EMS went to trunked, digital radios. I don't know much about scanning in todays world. I am interested in learning about pc radio scanning software. I have heard of software/hardware you can use in conjunction with your desk top pc that allows you to use the computer to scan radio freq's. I live in an apartment condo so having a 60 foot antennae is out of the question. Does anyone know about this software for pc that can advise me where to look for it, how good is it, etc? I am interested in monitoring police, fire, EMS, military, little green men from Alpha Centauri :-) just about anything that would be interesting. I could really use some guidance from people who are experienced in radio scanning so I can figure out what I need, how to use it, and what to expect. My wife says I need a hobby :-) Reply : "DJ" wrote in message . .. Get your Amateur Radio License from the FCC, then you'll have access to the majority of radio traffic. Go to www.qrz.com for more info!! MY REPLY: He has 'access' to the ham bands WITHOUT becoming an Amateur Radio operator, just like everyone else. Since he mentioned 'scanning' ( listening), anyone can do that. I have many radios, some shortwave, some scanners, some wide band receivers that do both. I enjoy listening, but have NO desire to become a ham radio operator. |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
On Thu, 31 May 2007 13:16:27 -0700, "DJ" wrote:
A friend of mine a Tech class worked Ground Zero after 9/11 and worked alongside rescue personnel and doctors. All the cell sites came down with the Towers but ham radio operators was there to assist in any way necessary. :Back in 2001, Seattle had an earthquake (a small biggie- lots of damage) and :guess what, the cell phone system went down (up to 4 to 5 hours) and :landline phone system was trashed since everyone was calling either 911 or :their relatives, or what not. : :BUT : :Ham radio was alive and well, and we at the Western Washington Medical :Services group were able to maintain contact with the regions hospitals, and :blood banks, as well as other emergency services. : :So, yes ham radio is maybe dying, but it is also a true and able way to :comminicate. Also note: when San Francisco had its earthquake, it was again :ham radio that got the word out to the world, since their cell phone systems :went down, and their landline system was in the same shape! :"labtech_one" wrote in message ... : I believe 'ham' radio is dying, because there is only so many times you :can : give : radio checks and tell others what kind of equipment you have. If I tune to :a : ham : repeater on my scanner, I hear the same conversations I heard 10 years :ago, : one : guy telling another one what type of radio he has connected to what kinda : antenna. : Every once in a while you'll hear someone announce the monthy meeting, or : some one : telling his wife he's caught in traffic and will be late getting home ( : which he could have : done on a cell phone at 1/100th the cost, and not everyone would know he : wasn't home) : : Ham radio is dying because its outdated, yes you can 'call across the : counrty' to another : 'ham' for mere pennies ( once you buy the expensive equipment, put up a :god : awful ugly : antenna, as big as your garage, and pass all the tests to allow you to do : it ) I can do the same : thing using a cell phone with No Test, No Huge antenna, and can call :ANYONE : that happens : to have a phone and as a bonus... the whole world can't listen. : : As far as being a hobby and 'fun', well maybe, but I hear more people on : ham radio talking : about the time they have in doing antenna swaps and maintance, that I just : can't even : imagine that being 'fun'. : : Ham radio is much like the mail service, who actually sends a friend or : family a written letter : anymore ? you may get a birthday or christmas card with a 'note', you'll : get 'bills' and junk mail, : but when is the last time you either got or sent a long letter to a friend : or family? Newer technology : has rendered 'mail' obsolete, you have telephones, e-mail, instant : messangers, and FAX if you really : have to send a piece of paper, like a copy of a document. : : Perhaps if they had dropped the 'code' requirements 30 years ago, they : would have picked up a lot : of new users, but as far as I can tell, most of the new HF class users :have : just upgraded from their : 'tech' status with very few NEW members actually jumping on the band :wagon. : : : "deBaser" wrote in message : ... : : wrote in message : ... : On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:41:23 -0400, Al Klein :wrote: : : That's evidently why the number of hams kept decreasing until code was : eliminated, right? : : Ham radio is an old hobby, with mostly older people using it. Older :people : slow down as they age. Trying to tap out ANY speed code with arthritis :or : carpal tunnel syndrome isn't going to work for that majority. : I re-considered renewing my license about 5 years ago. Today I know I : can't : tap out 5 wpm. Forcing this outmoded relic of communication on an aging : generation is nonsense. : -- : more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html : : Well now you cant take a propper Morse test even if you wanted to in the : UK. : Now the amateur radio licence is free to renew online. If you want to : play : with digital communication using very low bandwith how about PSK31? : Anyway : I thought this old troll would be best posted in uk.radio.amateur : : Andy : : : : : |
You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.
"labtech_one" wrote in message
... Ok so we argree that the chances are roughly ( give or take a few percentages) that a ham on a scene is about as good as finding an 'emergency' ( police/fire) person. And I never said there wasn't a 'place' for ham radio, as a hobby its great, if thats what you enjoy, ( same as me restoring 20 year old cars and listening to my shortwave ( talk about a dying hobby ), or my scanners, ( also evolving, to digital and a pain in the butt ) I even own a couple Yeasu FT767 GX+ rigs, 1 with filtered speaker, and the other with the phone patch speaker Both have the 6m, 2m, 70cm modules ( both came that way), They make FANTASTIC shortwave radios. Don't get me wrong, I love radio, radios, and radio equipment ( I've spent thousands of dollars on radios ) The one I cherrish the most, is probably my 1938 Zenith 9 tube Walton tombstone tube radio. Justifying HAM radio by its NEED in a emergercy, just isn't as true as it was 30, 40 or 50 years ago. As a hobby, I say go for it, but don't expect people to believe that ham radio is NEEDED. What annoys me, is the jackass's that clung to CW like it was the very heart of ham radio. Its outdated ( a relic from before the civil war ) Had these people changed the rules 30 years ago and got more and younger people interested, ham radio might not be where it is today. In a real catastrophe or disaster, it is unknown how a society's infrastructure will be damaged. Who knows -- maybe transportation, maybe communications, maybe government, maybe something else, will collapse. That's part of why you have redundant backup systems (like HAM radio) in the event of an emergency. True, HAM radio is not the most efficient available today, but like in a situation like hurricane Katrina, when government, communications, transportation, etc., have collapsed, it is a handy backup system. -Mindraker |
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