|
Best MW radio and antenna
My DX pal, Gary Deacon has just caught KSL Salt Lake City on 1160 khz using
his ancient (unmodified) rusted and salt encrusted Yaesu FRG-7 and his ALA1530 which sits hanging unmounted on his cupboard door. Salt Lake City is 9,700 miles from his suburban home in Fishoek, a small coastal resort near the main city of Cape Town. The catches he gets from home attests to the remarkable "sea gain" experienced on the MW band when you DX from the beach (or near it). He did get a better catch than that at our September equinox DXpedition when he caught CASH in Tecate Mexico, right next door to San Diego CA. That was at the Seefontein DX cottage right on the beach of the Atlantic ocean, also using his Frog but then with a 1,300 foot beverage antenna over the shoulder to New York. Motto of the story is that you don't have to have the world's latest whizz bang radio to get those amazing DX catches, but as Conrad Hilton said, it's all about position, position position! More info on Gary's activities at Fishoek and our Seefontein DX site can be found at http://www.dxing.info -- John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s RX Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods Drake SW8 & ERGO software Sony 7600D, GE SRIII, Redsun RP2100 BW XCR 30, Sangean 803A. GE circa 50's radiogram Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro, Datong AD-270 Kiwa MW Loop, POARDT Roelof mini-whip http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx |
Best MW radio and antenna
Mr.Plimmer,see if y'all can pick up some Mississippi Radio
Stations.y'all know how to do a www.devilfinder.com or www.dogpile.com or www.vivisimo.com search thingy for them.See if y'all can pick up (Mondays through Friday mornings) Paul Gallo's radio talk show (6:00 AM to 9:00 AM) and the JT and Dave radio talk show.(10:00 AM to 1:00 PM.Central Standard Time Zone in U.S.A.) If y'all can't pick them up on y'alls radios,I think you can with your computers. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
Paris Hilton got caught drunk driving. www.drsputnik.com
It probally won't be her last time either. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
In article ,
"John Plimmer" wrote: My DX pal, Gary Deacon has just caught KSL Salt Lake City on 1160 khz using his ancient (unmodified) rusted and salt encrusted Yaesu FRG-7 and his ALA1530 which sits hanging unmounted on his cupboard door. Salt Lake City is 9,700 miles from his suburban home in Fishoek, a small coastal resort near the main city of Cape Town. The catches he gets from home attests to the remarkable "sea gain" experienced on the MW band when you DX from the beach (or near it). He did get a better catch than that at our September equinox DXpedition when he caught CASH in Tecate Mexico, right next door to San Diego CA. That was at the Seefontein DX cottage right on the beach of the Atlantic ocean, also using his Frog but then with a 1,300 foot beverage antenna over the shoulder to New York. Motto of the story is that you don't have to have the world's latest whizz bang radio to get those amazing DX catches, but as Conrad Hilton said, it's all about position, position position! More info on Gary's activities at Fishoek and our Seefontein DX site can be found at http://www.dxing.info "Sea gain"? Sounds interesting - please explain. Once while vacationing on the shore of the Gulf of Mexico, Anna Maria Island, Florida, I was pulling in all kinds of DX at night on the 20 meter ham band on my Radio Shack DX-440 portable - much more than I ever did at home (inland). Greg |
Best MW radio and antenna
My explanation of Sea gain.(keep in mind,I am always right) OK,if you
live on the East Coast of U.S.A.There isn't a lot of crap to prevent your radio from picking up Europe at night time.When I was toolin down the A1A in Florida one night,I picked up an Irish AM radio station on my van's radio in Ireland. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
|
Best MW radio and antenna
It was night time and the Irish Radio Station knew I had to hear those
Uilleann Pipes playing. Is everybody in Canada just like you? Pray for their souls. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
SEA GAIN is indeed a very interesting phenomena. A group of MW DXer's
throughout the world have been researching this and confirmed the very beneficial results obtained when DXing by or near the sea. A couple of the fella's unearthed research done by the BBC over forty years ago when they were researching the best siting of MW transmitters. This was the definitive paper that confirmed the existence of "sea gain" on the MW band. I did a sea gain experiment with my Drake SW8 at Veldrif in 2005. Using a reference station of France Info, Nice on 1557 I travelled inland from the beach. By the time I got 10km's/6 miles inland the signal had dropped off minus -23dB! I can confirm after 40 years of DXing in various sites that DXing by the sea is spectacularly better than the best inland location. Most of your top American DXer's head for the coast during the DX season and get amazing catches not possible inland. -- John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s RX Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods Drake SW8 & ERGO software Sony 7600D, GE SRIII, Redsun RP2100 BW XCR 30, Sangean 803A. GE circa 50's radiogram Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro, Datong AD-270 Kiwa MW Loop, POARDT Roelof mini-whip http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx "Greg" wrote in message ... "Sea gain"? Sounds interesting - please explain. Once while vacationing on the shore of the Gulf of Mexico, Anna Maria Island, Florida, I was pulling in all kinds of DX at night on the 20 meter ham band on my Radio Shack DX-440 portable - much more than I ever did at home (inland). Greg |
Best MW radio and antenna
Greg wrote:
"Sea gain"? Sounds interesting - please explain. Once while vacationing on the shore of the Gulf of Mexico, Anna Maria Island, Florida, I was pulling in all kinds of DX at night on the 20 meter ham band on my Radio Shack DX-440 portable - much more than I ever did at home (inland). The effect is far more dramatic on the MW band! MW propagation is greatly affected by ground conductivity. FCC regulation 73.190 (figure R3) is a chart of ground conductivity for the United States. In New England and the NYC area where MW propagation is notoriously poor, it ranges from 0.5 to 2mmho/m. Here in the South where it isn't much better, figures run between 2 and 8. (that includes Florida) In North Dakota where a single 5kw station can cover the whole state, figures between 15 and 30 are common. The chart considers the "ground" conductivity of seawater to be 5000mmho/m. (yes, that's 200 times better than the best land) Two examples of direct observation: - Wilmington, NC, at night. Car radio in the beach parking lot: Jamaica blasting in at entertainment quality on 760 and several other frequencies. I start driving inland; within a block the signals are noticably weaker. Within a mile, they're barely audible. When I get back to my motel about five miles inland, Jamaica is totally gone. - Massachusetts, high noon, car radio about five miles inland west of Newburyport. CHTN-720, Prince Edward Island, local quality. Drive about 20 miles inland to Andover; CHTN gradually fades into nothingness. Interesting that you observed this on 20m. Maybe less local interference? The ground conductivity shouldn't have much effect on shortwave -- greater *distances* (i.e., being within maybe 200 miles of the Atlantic in Florida, rather than being within 900 miles here in Tennessee) should make a big difference but I wouldn't think the difference between Tampa and a Gulf island would be that dramatic. -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
Best MW radio and antenna
John Plimmer wrote: SEA GAIN is indeed a very interesting phenomena. A group of MW DXer's throughout the world have been researching this and confirmed the very beneficial results obtained when DXing by or near the sea. A couple of the fella's unearthed research done by the BBC over forty years ago when they were researching the best siting of MW transmitters. This was the definitive paper that confirmed the existence of "sea gain" on the MW band. I did a sea gain experiment with my Drake SW8 at Veldrif in 2005. Using a reference station of France Info, Nice on 1557 I travelled inland from the beach. By the time I got 10km's/6 miles inland the signal had dropped off minus -23dB! I can confirm after 40 years of DXing in various sites that DXing by the sea is spectacularly better than the best inland location. Most of your top American DXer's head for the coast during the DX season and get amazing catches not possible inland. It would seem as though some of the "top American DX'ers" are even resorting these days to travelling to or near their wanted DX target, hearing said target, and then actually counting that in their totals. Some are even resorting to using some of the various "DX-tuners" throughout the world and "hearing" their target via computer. A travesty. dxAce Michigan USA |
Best MW radio and antenna
I am only about two hundred something miles from Pensacola,florida.That
married Irish woman calls Pensacola,,, Peniscola. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
In article ,
dxAce wrote: John Plimmer wrote: SEA GAIN is indeed a very interesting phenomena. A group of MW DXer's throughout the world have been researching this and confirmed the very beneficial results obtained when DXing by or near the sea. A couple of the fella's unearthed research done by the BBC over forty years ago when they were researching the best siting of MW transmitters. This was the definitive paper that confirmed the existence of "sea gain" on the MW band. I did a sea gain experiment with my Drake SW8 at Veldrif in 2005. Using a reference station of France Info, Nice on 1557 I travelled inland from the beach. By the time I got 10km's/6 miles inland the signal had dropped off minus -23dB! I can confirm after 40 years of DXing in various sites that DXing by the sea is spectacularly better than the best inland location. Most of your top American DXer's head for the coast during the DX season and get amazing catches not possible inland. It would seem as though some of the "top American DX'ers" are even resorting these days to travelling to or near their wanted DX target, hearing said target, and then actually counting that in their totals. Some are even resorting to using some of the various "DX-tuners" throughout the world and "hearing" their target via computer. A travesty. Yeah, nether would count as DXing. What are these people thinking? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Best MW radio and antenna
Where does the magnet in a speaker get its power from? Why doesn't it run out? Thanks FINOH #29718 Finoh #28437 FiNOH #27447 I love spacefed. On Oct 7, 4:40 pm, "John Plimmer" wrote: My DX pal, Gary Deacon has just caught KSL Salt Lake City on 1160 khz using his ancient (unmodified) rusted and salt encrusted Yaesu FRG-7 and his ALA1530 which sits hanging unmounted on his cupboard door. Salt Lake City is 9,700 miles from his suburban home in Fishoek, a small coastal resort near the main city of Cape Town. The catches he gets from home attests to the remarkable "sea gain" experienced on the MW band when you DX from the beach (or near it). He did get a better catch than that at our September equinox DXpedition when he caught CASH in Tecate Mexico, right next door to San Diego CA. That was at the Seefontein DX cottage right on the beach of the Atlantic ocean, also using his Frog but then with a 1,300 foot beverage antenna over the shoulder to New York. Motto of the story is that you don't have to have the world's latest whizz bang radio to get those amazing DX catches, but as Conrad Hilton said, it's all about position, position position! More info on Gary's activities at Fishoek and our Seefontein DX site can be found athttp://www.dxing.info -- John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s RX Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods Drake SW8 & ERGO software Sony 7600D, GE SRIII, Redsun RP2100 BW XCR 30, Sangean 803A. GE circa 50's radiogram Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro, Datong AD-270 Kiwa MW Loop, POARDT Roelof mini-whiphttp://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx |
Best MW radio and antenna
Whatever I say is best is best.Maryknoll,Ireland was ''talkin'' at me on
the A1A. cuhulin .................................................. ... y'all can't talk to them Pipes,standing up! cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
Tak O'cup O'Kindbess yet,,,,
Speakin of off shore dudes.Back in the 1970's,there was an off shorer dude in N'Awlins.He had a MG TF car for sale.We went ridin (I didn't buy the car) every word he said,he was shoutin at the top of his lungs. cuhulin www.devilfinder.com Robokopp Sweetly She Sleeps |
Best MW radio and antenna
John,
Yes, know what you mean. I've just spent two weeks in Fiji. I took a Sony ICF-SW55 portable and 20 feet of wire which I put up inside a bungalow. The little bungalow was about 10 metres from the water's edge. I've done this before several times. It is incredible what you can hear. Mainly, because of what you CAN'T hear - namely all the electrical static and noise pollution of living in a city! It's like an astronomer escaping to the desert with a telescope - seems like there's many more stars than usual. On a clear day, you can hear for ever! And sometimes the signals you get are very weak. But also very audible because there is simply NO noise. Under conditions like these, a simple portable radio and piece of wire will out-perform many a city-based high-end receiver setup. Mark. Auckland New Zealand. |
Best MW radio and antenna
Hey!,,, Immitation of Life movie has just now cranked up on tv.Bite Me!
cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
John Plimmer wrote: SEA GAIN is indeed a very interesting phenomena. A group of MW DXer's throughout the world have been researching this and confirmed the very beneficial results obtained when DXing by or near the sea. A couple of the fella's unearthed research done by the BBC over forty years ago when they were researching the best siting of MW transmitters. This was the definitive paper that confirmed the existence of "sea gain" on the MW band. I did a sea gain experiment with my Drake SW8 at Veldrif in 2005. Using a reference station of France Info, Nice on 1557 I travelled inland from the beach. By the time I got 10km's/6 miles inland the signal had dropped off minus -23dB! I can confirm after 40 years of DXing in various sites that DXing by the sea is spectacularly better than the best inland location. Most of your top American DXer's head for the coast during the DX season and get amazing catches not possible inland. -- John, may I ask a possibly stupid question? Does it make a difference as to which direction the signals are coming from in relation to where you are on the coast? For example, I live on the Gulf Coast side of Florida, so European signals would have to come over the peninsula of Florida to reach my antenna. Would being located on the other side of Florida, say near Miami, be better for European signals, where there would be nothing but ocean between my antenna and the radio station, or is it an omnidirectional effect? |
Best MW radio and antenna
No matter where you are in Florida,you are less than two hours away from
a beach.Unless you are walking. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
Well said Mark - you fella's have really got to get those radio's down to
the seaside. The results will exceed all your expectations! -- John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s RX Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods Drake SW8 & ERGO software Sony 7600D, GE SRIII, Redsun RP2100 BW XCR 30, Sangean 803A. GE circa 50's radiogram Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro, Datong AD-270 Kiwa MW Loop, POARDT Roelof mini-whip http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx "Mark" wrote in message news:1160345036.733922@ftpsrv1... John, Yes, know what you mean. I've just spent two weeks in Fiji. I took a Sony ICF-SW55 portable and 20 feet of wire which I put up inside a bungalow. The little bungalow was about 10 metres from the water's edge. I've done this before several times. It is incredible what you can hear. Mainly, because of what you CAN'T hear - namely all the electrical static and noise pollution of living in a city! It's like an astronomer escaping to the desert with a telescope - seems like there's many more stars than usual. On a clear day, you can hear for ever! And sometimes the signals you get are very weak. But also very audible because there is simply NO noise. Under conditions like these, a simple portable radio and piece of wire will out-perform many a city-based high-end receiver setup. Mark. Auckland New Zealand. |
Best MW radio and antenna
Not a stupid question at all Justice - the results I quoted of doing the
test on France Info from Nice indicates that the sea gain effect is indeed omnidirectional, as the path of France to the DX test site at Veldrif is over the African continent. So if you are trying to get a distant local station inland, you will experience a great gain on MW by going to the seaside. Having said that though, obviously the gain over the sea will always be superior to the land, but an amazing improvement is also possible over land as well. At our Jongensgat DXpedition site we have a clear path to the East over the Indian ocean to Australia and the Far East, so signals from that area are really good. But we also get amazingly good reception of the U.S. which has a path of two hundred miles overland and mountains before it reaches the Atlantic ocean. The best U.S. catch I ever got was KGA, Spokane from Jongensgat. That is 10,000 miles away and 200 miles of it is over the Southern African continent. Have fun and enjoy some DXing from the seaside. -- John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s RX Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods Drake SW8 & ERGO software Sony 7600D, GE SRIII, Redsun RP2100 BW XCR 30, Sangean 803A. GE circa 50's radiogram Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro, Datong AD-270 Kiwa MW Loop, POARDT Roelof mini-whip http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx "justice" wrote in message oups.com... John, may I ask a possibly stupid question? Does it make a difference as to which direction the signals are coming from in relation to where you are on the coast? For example, I live on the Gulf Coast side of Florida, so European signals would have to come over the peninsula of Florida to reach my antenna. Would being located on the other side of Florida, say near Miami, be better for European signals, where there would be nothing but ocean between my antenna and the radio station, or is it an omnidirectional effect? |
Best MW radio and antenna
|
Best MW radio and antenna
|
Best MW radio and antenna
Frogland used to be part of Limeyland,lonnnng ago.A big Ocean wash wiped
out that piece of territory that used to connect Frogland to Limeyland.Look at the White Cliffs of Dover. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
My van's Radio is in the dashboard of my van.My van and I were toolin
down the A1A in Florida,by the Atlantic Ocean. Don't try your Canadian mealy mouth yap crap putting words in my mouth.YOU WILL LOSE Every Time. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
Maryknoll is in Ireland.I was picking up a Radio Station in
Maryknoll,Ireland.My van and my van's Radio were in Florida. I own a half acre of land in Interlachen,Florida,Putnam County.Come on now,Canadian,tell me Interlachen is in Switzerland.Let's see what you don't know. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
Yeah,my van's Radio glomped out of the dashboard and it sprouted wangs
and went to Ireland. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
Heart failuer!!!!! and their little bellys stuck out like a pigs
bladder!!!!!! Grapes of Wrath. cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
|
Best MW radio and antenna
"dxAce" wrote in message It would seem as though some of the "top American DX'ers" are even resorting these days to travelling to or near their wanted DX target, hearing said target, and then actually counting that in their totals. Some are even resorting to using some of the various "DX-tuners" throughout the world and "hearing" their target via computer. A travesty. dxAce Michigan USA Yes it has been going on for some time. Real DXers my ass. Some of the published claims I've read over the years seem just a little fishy considering their QTH and propagation conditions at the time. -- Regards B.H. Southern, MN USA Radios- R-5000, NRD525,SP-600,SX-28,Eton E1 Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Brian's Basement http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/6.htm Remove your HAT to reply directly |
Best MW radio and antenna
UP YOU,SC!
cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
Ahh never said I am a dxer.
cuhulin |
Best MW radio and antenna
In article ,
Doug Smith W9WI wrote: Greg wrote: "Sea gain"? Sounds interesting - please explain. Once while vacationing on the shore of the Gulf of Mexico, Anna Maria Island, Florida, I was pulling in all kinds of DX at night on the 20 meter ham band on my Radio Shack DX-440 portable - much more than I ever did at home (inland). The effect is far more dramatic on the MW band! MW propagation is greatly affected by ground conductivity. FCC regulation 73.190 (figure R3) is a chart of ground conductivity for the United States. In New England and the NYC area where MW propagation is notoriously poor, it ranges from 0.5 to 2mmho/m. Here in the South where it isn't much better, figures run between 2 and 8. (that includes Florida) In North Dakota where a single 5kw station can cover the whole state, figures between 15 and 30 are common. The chart considers the "ground" conductivity of seawater to be 5000mmho/m. (yes, that's 200 times better than the best land) Two examples of direct observation: - Wilmington, NC, at night. Car radio in the beach parking lot: Jamaica blasting in at entertainment quality on 760 and several other frequencies. I start driving inland; within a block the signals are noticably weaker. Within a mile, they're barely audible. When I get back to my motel about five miles inland, Jamaica is totally gone. - Massachusetts, high noon, car radio about five miles inland west of Newburyport. CHTN-720, Prince Edward Island, local quality. Drive about 20 miles inland to Andover; CHTN gradually fades into nothingness. Interesting that you observed this on 20m. Maybe less local interference? The ground conductivity shouldn't have much effect on shortwave -- greater *distances* (i.e., being within maybe 200 miles of the Atlantic in Florida, rather than being within 900 miles here in Tennessee) should make a big difference but I wouldn't think the difference between Tampa and a Gulf island would be that dramatic. Interesting topic. I wish I had tried MW DXing. Less local interference is most likely at least part of my improved reception on SW. And I live in Lakeland, another 35 miles inland from Tampa. Greg |
Best MW radio and antenna
There is only one suitable antenna for this extremely wide frequency spectrum being the Windom. This antenna is effectively a 'serial quarter wavelength'. For MW it would be best to use two such antennas to try have at least some element close to quarter wavelength at any one time. One feature of a quarter wavelength antenna is that it also operates at odd multiples of frequency i.e. that which works at 550kHz will also work at 1650kHz, so only one piece of wire will cover both ends of the band. I admire your thoughts and your way of expressing and putting it in front of readers is really something that I have seen after a long time.Thank you for the site. You also visit http://www.pushbuttonproductions.com/services/radio-ads
|
Best MW radio and antenna
Those push button car radios of years and years ago. They had a habit of drifting off station. Every once in a while they needed to be re set. I have about half a dozen of those old push button car radios.
|
Best MW radio and antenna
On 03/08/2014 08:34 AM, DhiaDuit wrote:
Those push button car radios of years and years ago. They had a habit of drifting off station. Every once in a while they needed to be re set. I have about half a dozen of those old push button car radios. I don't remember them as particularly drifty, and I grew up in the Arizona Desert. They are usually Permeability Tuned (variable inductors) which are much more stable than most variable capacitors in tuning duty. Plus the IFs in those days were wide open and stations were allowed to broadcast in HiFi. |
Best MW radio and antenna
On 03/09/2014 01:09 PM, dave wrote:
On 03/08/2014 08:34 AM, DhiaDuit wrote: Those push button car radios of years and years ago. They had a habit of drifting off station. Every once in a while they needed to be re set. I have about half a dozen of those old push button car radios. I don't remember them as particularly drifty, and I grew up in the Arizona Desert. They are usually Permeability Tuned (variable inductors) which are much more stable than most variable capacitors in tuning duty. Plus the IFs in those days were wide open and stations were allowed to broadcast in HiFi. Ferrite cores age, I am told. That could be a reason for a slow drift (on the order or decades, perhaps). |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:45 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
RadioBanter.com