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need to replace YB400?
Anyone got any suggestions as to whether there have been any developments in
short-wave radio technology in the last few years which mandate looking for some specific radio please? I accidentally broke the display on my YB400, which never actually picked up many stations at all in any event. Only VERY local god-spots. I always suspected some problem with its factory set-up. The scan function would just spin past perfectly strong stations for no apparent reason. And I use it in the dark and when I DID find some station, setting the memory is (to me) a nightmare. In the dark, switching between bands is virtually impossible. Worst of all, using it with headphones is an even worse nightma It pushes out a painful pressure wave into your ear every time it stops!! Has any other company ever developed any proper seek function on short wave or does anyone think that the YB500 actually picks up stations any better than this one does? It doesn't bother with any sort of seek function, preferring to stop every second or so in the hope of picking up at least something! |
need to replace YB400?
I think the search function on the newer Chinese radios work OK - but
not perfect - and I use them at night in the dark when my XYL is sleeping. I have a Kaito/Degen 1102 which is pretty sensitive and searches OK, and also my Realistic/Sangean DX-398/ATS-909 searches OK. Gotta turn off that beep on the Sangean... but they both work -- Again, not perfect, but acceptable enough to enable searching in total darkness with the dial light off. Just my take. Works for me, anyway... // Richards // =================================== news.rcn.com wrote: Has any other company ever developed any proper seek function |
need to replace YB400?
"Richards" wrote in message oups.com... I think the search function on the newer Chinese radios work OK - but not perfect - and I use them at night in the dark when my XYL is sleeping. I have a Kaito/Degen 1102 which is pretty sensitive and searches OK, and also my Realistic/Sangean DX-398/ATS-909 searches OK. Gotta turn off that beep on the Sangean... but they both work -- Again, not perfect, but acceptable enough to enable searching in total darkness with the dial light off. Does the seek search between 'bands' or is there some way of switching between bands manually? Also, when you search manually, do you find stations missed by the seek button? And can it be used with an ear-phone like the YB400 can't? |
need to replace YB400?
And does anyone know if the KA11 (or DE11) is a new and updated version of
the 1102 with all the same circuitry in a smaller package or is it some cheapy no-feature low grade low sensitivity completely different model? "news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in message ... "Richards" wrote in message oups.com... I think the search function on the newer Chinese radios work OK - but not perfect - and I use them at night in the dark when my XYL is sleeping. I have a Kaito/Degen 1102 which is pretty sensitive and searches OK, and also my Realistic/Sangean DX-398/ATS-909 searches OK. Gotta turn off that beep on the Sangean... but they both work -- Again, not perfect, but acceptable enough to enable searching in total darkness with the dial light off. Does the seek search between 'bands' or is there some way of switching between bands manually? Also, when you search manually, do you find stations missed by the seek button? And can it be used with an ear-phone like the YB400 can't? |
need to replace YB400?
I broke 3 YB-400s! My Kaito KA-1102 has fallen 5-6 times with no harm.
George (MN) news.rcn.com wrote: Anyone got any suggestions as to whether there have been any developments in short-wave radio technology in the last few years which mandate looking for some specific radio please? I accidentally broke the display on my YB400, which never actually picked up many stations at all in any event. Only VERY local god-spots. I always suspected some problem with its factory set-up. The scan function would just spin past perfectly strong stations for no apparent reason. And I use it in the dark and when I DID find some station, setting the memory is (to me) a nightmare. In the dark, switching between bands is virtually impossible. Worst of all, using it with headphones is an even worse nightma It pushes out a painful pressure wave into your ear every time it stops!! Has any other company ever developed any proper seek function on short wave or does anyone think that the YB500 actually picks up stations any better than this one does? It doesn't bother with any sort of seek function, preferring to stop every second or so in the hope of picking up at least something! |
This isnt some Chinese company which bought some obsolete Sony PCB and has now re-badged it
Yes, I am prepared to accept that, and the input transistors of my Grundig
seem to have been blown since I took delivery of it: But this Degen company, - which has a reputation for continuously improving their models, - has just brought out this completely new and attractive-looking KA11 or DE11 model with a VERY interesting feature which lets it seek and automatically store virtually all locally available stations simply by pressing a button. So you can automatically adjust for whatever is going on in the tropopause every time you turn on the unit! No one seems to know yet if it incorporates the circuitry of the already extant models or if they have ventured into the cheapie no-frills piece of junk end of the market and stuck a few bells and whistles on it (like Phillips). I would just go out and buy one as it is relatively inexpensive but there are some snobbish reports of it not being dual conversion (meaning it clearly isn't just the old trusted circuitry updated), and some reports of that meaning nothing IN PRACTICE so I am wary. wrote in message oups.com... I broke 3 YB-400s! My Kaito KA-1102 has fallen 5-6 times with no harm. George (MN) |
need to replace YB400?
ka-11, don't bother...i ordered one and sent it right
back....terrible selectivity, virtually no sensitivity, cheap construction, speaker is awful..sure looks nice though. news.rcn.com wrote: And does anyone know if the KA11 (or DE11) is a new and updated version of the 1102 with all the same circuitry in a smaller package or is it some cheapy no-feature low grade low sensitivity completely different model? "news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in message ... "Richards" wrote in message oups.com... I think the search function on the newer Chinese radios work OK - but not perfect - and I use them at night in the dark when my XYL is sleeping. I have a Kaito/Degen 1102 which is pretty sensitive and searches OK, and also my Realistic/Sangean DX-398/ATS-909 searches OK. Gotta turn off that beep on the Sangean... but they both work -- Again, not perfect, but acceptable enough to enable searching in total darkness with the dial light off. Does the seek search between 'bands' or is there some way of switching between bands manually? Also, when you search manually, do you find stations missed by the seek button? And can it be used with an ear-phone like the YB400 can't? |
Kaito KA11/Degen DE11
Greetings: I am not sure exactly what you expect from a radio that
is just a bit bigger then a deck of cards. No one should expect the performance of a average size portable or tabletop rig. I own several radios, my Panasonic RF-2200, and a Sony ICF-2002, Eton E5, and others. Can my Degen DE11 compete with them?? Not a chance. They outperform the DE11/KA11 by miles. But read on. The DE11/KA11 is not intended to equal their performance. I don't expect it to do so. I purchased a Degen DE11 on eBay, and I am very pleased with its performance and build. Is it perfect? Not a chance. But I have yet to hear of a perfect radio. Does it leave anything to be desired? Of course. I would love for it to have syncronous detection, mutiple bandwidths, double conversion etc. But HEY! Look at the size of this thing, and tell me you really expect that in something this tiny. I think it's quite a deal that it is totally digital, with a number of scanning features, and lots of memories, nicely lit digital display etc. No, it is not a re-done KA1102. Who-ever told you that really has the wrong information. It is a very much up-graded DE105/KA105. The back of the radio is identical, and it is just a couple millimeters thicker. The telescopic antenna of course is not very long when extended of course. Again, that is to be expected given the radio's size. It benefits from clipping an extra ten to twenty feet of wire to the antenna, or plugging in the wire extension antenna that comes with it. Much more and you would probably get overload on a radio this tiny. But I find it receives quit well on all bands, again, taking into consideration it's size. Better then I expected for a radio so small. I think it has, for its size, great sensitivity and selectivity. And in my opinion, the build is more then adequate. As far as construction, it is at least equal to the KA1102, or Eton E5. I bought a little digital camera case that gives it great protection, fits it like a glove, and has a small pouch that holds the extended wire antenna, and a couple of spare rechargable batteries. I would not hesitate to take it camping and hiking. It takes up just a small little spot inside my back-pack. At home, I will listen to my Panasonic, Sony or Eton. I love those radios. But for a quick get-away to the backwoods on a camping, hiking or canoeing trip,or an emergency evacuation where space and weight are considerations, I would take the little Degen DE11/Kaito KA11 before any of them. I ordered a second one yesterday. Best regards |
need to replace YB400?
Greetings: I am not sure exactly what you expect from a radio that
is just a bit bigger then a deck of cards. No one should expect the performance of a average size portable or tabletop rig. I own several radios, my Panasonic RF-2200, and a Sony ICF-2002, Eton E5, and others. Can my Degen DE11 compete with them?? Not a chance. They outperform the DE11/KA11 by miles. But read on. The DE11/KA11 is not intended to equal their performance. I don't expect it to do so. I purchased a Degen DE11 on eBay, and I am very pleased with its performance and build. Is it perfect? Not a chance. But I have yet to hear of a perfect radio. Does it leave anything to be desired? Of course. I would love for it to have syncronous detection, mutiple bandwidths, double conversion etc. But HEY! Look at the size of this thing, and tell me you really expect that in something this tiny. I think it's quite a deal that it is totally digital, with a number of scanning features, and lots of memories, nicely lit digital display etc. No, it is not a re-done KA1102. Who-ever told you that really has the wrong information. It is a very much up-graded DE105/KA105. The back of the radio is identical, and it is just a couple millimeters thicker. The telescopic antenna of course is not very long when extended of course. Again, that is to be expected given the radio's size. It benefits from clipping an extra ten to twenty feet of wire to the antenna, or plugging in the wire extension antenna that comes with it. Much more and you would probably get overload on a radio this tiny. But I find it receives quit well on all bands, again, taking into consideration it's size. Better then I expected for a radio so small. And did I mention the price? Very reasonable. You should be able to find it for between forty to fifty bucks. I think it has, for its size and price, great sensitivity and selectivity. And in my opinion, the build is more then adequate. As far as construction, it is at least equal to the KA1102, or Eton E5. I bought a little digital camera case that gives it great protection, fits it like a glove, and has a small pouch that holds the extended wire antenna, and a couple of spare rechargable batteries. I would not hesitate to take it camping and hiking. It takes up just a small little spot inside my back-pack. At home, I will listen to my Panasonic, Sony or Eton, (sometimes my DE11 just because I like it too.) I love those radios. But for a quick get-away to the backwoods on a camping, hiking or canoeing trip,or an emergency evacuation where space and weight are considerations, I would take the little Degen DE11/Kaito KA11 before any of my larger heavier radios. I ordered a second DE11 a couple of days ago.. Best regards, Cato news.rcn.com wrote: And does anyone know if the KA11 (or DE11) is a new and updated version of the 1102 with all the same circuitry in a smaller package or is it some cheapy no-feature low grade low sensitivity completely different model? "news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in message ... |
need to replace YB400?
"Cato" wrote Greetings: I am not sure exactly what you expect from a radio that is just a bit bigger then a deck of cards. No one should expect the performance of a average size portable or tabletop rig. I own several radios, my Panasonic RF-2200, and a Sony ICF-2002, Eton E5, and others. Can my Degen DE11 compete with them?? Not a chance. They outperform the DE11/KA11 by miles. But read on. The DE11/KA11 is not intended to equal their performance. I don't expect it to do so. I purchased a Degen DE11 on eBay, and I am very pleased with its performance and build. Is it perfect? Not a chance. But I have yet to hear of a perfect radio. Does it leave anything to be desired? Of course. I would love for it to have syncronous detection, mutiple bandwidths, double conversion etc. But HEY! Look at the size of this thing, and tell me you really expect that in something this tiny. Yes, I do! With my Sony SW100 and SW07. You get what you pay for. A DE11? BWAHAHAHA!!!! |
need to replace YB400?
Not all of us can afford $300 - $500 for a new radio. Not everyone
can afford a brand new Cadillac or Maserati. If you have more money then you know what to do with, that's fine. Good for you. Have fun. But for the rest of us that have to slog three shifts, and support a family and pay almost fifty percent of our income to taxes, you really can't beat the Degen DE11/ Kaito KA 11 in it's price range. Nothing wrong with a good Ford or GMC vehicle if you can't afford an expensive exotic luxury vehicle. Among the cheaper radios, the DE11/KA11 really stands out as a higher quality, better performing radio. Sure, it will never have a chance of equaling your Sonys. Your Sonys will outperform the DE11/KA. No question about that. But the DE11/KA11 beats pretty well everything else in its price bracket. The fact is the Degen DE11/Kaito KA11 delivers a lot more performance then its price would suggest. Compared to many other cheap radios (like the SN400, the Kaiwa KA-818, Eton Mini 300PE, Grundig G110A, Sangean PT-50, etc. etc.), it is a good performer. It is also built much better then its price would suggest. It's an excellent bargain for those of us in in the bit lower income level that can't see spending our hard earned money on a radio that's up in the exotic class like the Sony SW100 & SW07. I could buy one of those Sonys, but then maybe my kids would have to do without decent skates for playing hockey in their leagues. So, instead, they get good skates, I go with nice Kaito or Degen radios instead of the higher performance Sonys. I love Sony, and if I could afford one, I would get one. I do own an older Sony ICF 2002 ( ICF-7600D), and it a good radio, works like the day I bought it back in '84. But I am more then pleased with my decision. The kids are happy with their skates. I am happy with my radios. For those of us that simply can't afford a radio like a SonySW100 or SW07, there are several Kaito/Degen radios in the $50.00 - $100 range that are well built and perform admirably. Regards, Cato Proud Neo-con American Right-wing Zionist/Christian Imperialist wrote: "Cato" wrote Greetings: I am not sure exactly what you expect from a radio that is just a bit bigger then a deck of cards. No one should expect the performance of a average size portable or tabletop rig. I own several radios, my Panasonic RF-2200, and a Sony ICF-2002, Eton E5, and others. Can my Degen DE11 compete with them?? Not a chance. They outperform the DE11/KA11 by miles. But read on. The DE11/KA11 is not intended to equal their performance. I don't expect it to do so. I purchased a Degen DE11 on eBay, and I am very pleased with its performance and build. Is it perfect? Not a chance. But I have yet to hear of a perfect radio. Does it leave anything to be desired? Of course. I would love for it to have syncronous detection, mutiple bandwidths, double conversion etc. But HEY! Look at the size of this thing, and tell me you really expect that in something this tiny. Yes, I do! With my Sony SW100 and SW07. You get what you pay for. A DE11? BWAHAHAHA!!!! |
need to replace YB400?
News RNC,
The Grundig Yacht Boy 400 PE was an 'ok' Radio for it's time. - - - But it's time has gone. However it is still being sold under the "Grundig" Brand Name using the "G4000A" Model Number. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...i ng=d&hl=en& The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is the preferred 'portable' AM/FM Shortwave Radio by many Shortwave Listeners (SWLs) due to it's many features especially the AM Synchronous Detector (AM-SYNC) for both AM/MW and SW Band use. - - - Priced about US$175. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...f-sw7600gr+rhf The older Grundig Yacht Boy 500 is an 'ok' Radio for mono FM Broadcast receiption provided that you use an AC Adapter. - - - The YB 500 likes to eat Batteries and is only a poor-fair AM/MW and Shortwave Radio. - - - The YB 500 is more of a 'collector's' Radio being one of the Last-Real-European-Made "Grundig" Radios. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...ht+boy+500+rhf You may wish to consider the new Redsun RP-2100 'portable' AM/FM Shortwave Radio reasonable features and sound for under US$100 - - - Sorry no AM-SYNC. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...un+rp-2100+rhf IMHO - The Redsun RP-2100 'portable' AM/FM Shortwave Radio is big enough to make for a fairly nice sounding Bedside {Late-Night} Radio for : * AM/MW Radio Listening * FM Classical Music 'rest-and-relaxation' Listening * With an External Low Noise Inverted "L" Antenna a reasonably good Shortwave International Broadcast "Program" Listening 'portable' Radio. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...tenna+doty+rhf OBTW - Listening to Radio Australia (ABC) at 9.590 MHz just using the built-in Whip Antenna within 3-ft of a PC on a Redsun RP2100 this very minute. well that my two cents worth - iane ~ RHF |
people in the know refer to Gegen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
"Cato" wrote in message ps.com... Not all of us can afford $300 - $500 for a new radio. Not everyone can afford a brand new Cadillac or Maserati. If you have more money then you know what to do with, that's fine. Good for you. Have fun. But for the rest of us that have to slog three shifts, and support a family and pay almost fifty percent of our income to taxes, you really can't beat the Degen DE11/ Kaito KA 11 in it's price range. Nothing wrong with a good Ford or GMC vehicle if you can't afford an expensive exotic luxury vehicle. Among the cheaper radios, the DE11/KA11 really stands out as a higher quality, better performing radio. Sure, it will never have a chance of equaling your Sonys. Your Sonys will outperform the DE11/KA. No question about that. But the DE11/KA11 beats pretty well everything else in its price bracket. The fact is the Degen DE11/Kaito KA11 delivers a lot more performance then its price would suggest. Compared to many other cheap radios (like the SN400, the Kaiwa KA-818, Eton Mini 300PE, Grundig G110A, Sangean PT-50, etc. etc.), it is a good performer. It is also built much better then its price would suggest. It's an excellent bargain for those of us in in the bit lower income level that can't see spending our hard earned money on a radio that's up in the exotic class like the Sony SW100 & SW07. I could buy one of those Sonys, but then maybe my kids would have to do without decent skates for playing hockey in their leagues. So, instead, they get good skates, I go with nice Kaito or Degen radios instead of the higher performance Sonys. I love Sony, and if I could afford one, I would get one. I do own an older Sony ICF 2002 ( ICF-7600D), and it a good radio, works like the day I bought it back in '84. But I am more then pleased with my decision. The kids are happy with their skates. I am happy with my radios. For those of us that simply can't afford a radio like a SonySW100 or SW07, there are several Kaito/Degen radios in the $50.00 - $100 range that are well built and perform admirably. Regards, Cato Do you actually have one of these? The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. A company which goes against the grain of development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing technological achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when put into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong) I however have this radio and have noticed an alarming tendency towards 'the Phillips effect', - putting features, knobs, mechanisms on it which don't actually do anything. It says it is dual conversion on Kaito's radios page but then on its own page doesn't make any such claim. Which being the case it should have some pretty advanced circuitry to compensate for this but it doesn't make any such claim. It only sports those 'Phillips' features. Mine doesn't actually pick up any stations and when I bought it for this amazing auto-memorising of 1000 short wave stations [obviously UP TO 1000] and asked why this feature didn't actually seem to work (it DOES tune in some stations of pure interference), was told that this feature is only really designed to tune in 1000 FM stations (cf. 'The Phillips Effect') where on FM the stations are stronger; and that on SW, the stations have to be tuned in manually. Indicating that it doesn't actually have any advanced circuitry at all to support this feature! Even worse, all the commentators seem to regard it as a toy and haven't ever done any reviews, - or even comparative reviews, - on it? Meanwhile it IS an adorable little thing in much the same way as the Austrian-built AE3905 was and while I found that to be the worst SW radio ever designed (it's batteries weren't even powerful enough to power its own speaker!), I am left wondering whether I am doing something wrong with this DE11 or whether in reality I just have an early version and Degen has still to design those features into it. Or get them working properly? BTW RHF, What WERE all those references to google searches dating back to the year gimel on radios supposedly surpassed by time in 2006? Proud Neo-con American Right-wing Zionist/Christian Imperialist wrote: "Cato" wrote Greetings: I am not sure exactly what you expect from a radio that is just a bit bigger then a deck of cards. No one should expect the performance of a average size portable or tabletop rig. I own several radios, my Panasonic RF-2200, and a Sony ICF-2002, Eton E5, and others. Can my Degen DE11 compete with them?? Not a chance. They outperform the DE11/KA11 by miles. But read on. The DE11/KA11 is not intended to equal their performance. I don't expect it to do so. I purchased a Degen DE11 on eBay, and I am very pleased with its performance and build. Is it perfect? Not a chance. But I have yet to hear of a perfect radio. Does it leave anything to be desired? Of course. I would love for it to have syncronous detection, mutiple bandwidths, double conversion etc. But HEY! Look at the size of this thing, and tell me you really expect that in something this tiny. Yes, I do! With my Sony SW100 and SW07. You get what you pay for. A DE11? BWAHAHAHA!!!! |
people in the know refer to Gegen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. Which people in the know started referring Gegen as producing better radios than Sony. What's a Gegen. A company which goes against the grain of development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing technological achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when put into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong) I however have this radio and have noticed an alarming tendency towards 'the Phillips effect', - putting features, knobs, mechanisms on it which don't actually do anything. Really. Which specific knobs don't do anyhting on this radio. It says it is dual conversion on Kaito's radios page but then on its own page doesn't make any such claim. Which being the case it should have some pretty advanced circuitry to compensate for this but it doesn't make any such claim. What would it be compensating for by having dual conversion circuitry. only sports those 'Phillips' features. Which features. Mine doesn't actually pick up any stations and when I bought it for this amazing auto-memorising of 1000 short wave stations It doesn't pick up ANY radio stations? I find that hard to believe unless you forgot to put the batteries in. bviously UP TO 1000] and asked why this feature didn't actually seem to work (it DOES tune in some stations of pure interference), was told that this feature is only really designed to tune in 1000 FM stations (cf. 'The Phillips Effect') where on FM the stations are stronger; and that on SW, the stations have to be tuned in manually. Indicating that it doesn't actually have any advanced circuitry at all to support this feature! Even worse, all the commentators seem to regard it as a toy and haven't ever done any reviews, - or even comparative reviews, - on it? Meanwhile it IS an adorable little thing in much the same way as the Austrian-built AE3905 was and while I found that to be the worst SW radio ever designed (it's batteries weren't even powerful enough to power its own speaker!), I am left wondering whether I am doing something wrong with this DE11 or whether in reality I just have an early version and Degen has still to design those features into it. Or get them working properly? |
people in the know refer to Gegen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
My radios are, Panasonic RF-2200, Sony ICF-7600D (ICF-2002), I've had
those first two radios for years, and they are still excellent performers. I also own, Eton E5, Eton E100, Kaito KA1102, Kaito KA1101, Kaito KA105, Grundig Mini-300PE and they are all fun to use. A month and a half ago I purchased a Degen DE11 from a seller on eBay along with a Degen DE31 active loop antenna. The Degen DE11 cost me about $67 bucks with delivery. Some people say that "You get what you pay for", and I agree. But sometime you can get quite a bit for your money, and that, for me, was the case here. This little radio is not double conversion. It is only single conversion. But in my opinion a very good single conversion for its size and price. Kaito U.S.A. sells it as the Kaito KA11 and they are identical except for the name. I ordered and received a second Degen DE11. For me they are perfect for hiking camping and canoeing trips into the wilderness. It is a better radio then the Kaito KA105/Degen DE105. Better then any other radio its size or smaller except for the expensive Sony SW100/SW107 radios, as far as I know. I know that Sony radios are excellent radios. My Sony ICF-7600D still works as good as it did the day I bought it, and I really enjoy it. My old Panasonic RF-2200 is a great radio that has excellent sensitivity, and I can listen to it far into the night. They still sell for $200 - $300 today, used, in good condition, thirty years or more after production ended. But I purchased them back in the time when I could afford something that expensive. They were a costly radio for the size at the time when they came out. But it was worth the money for me. They are good radios. But you don't have to spend that kind of money, or buy a top of the line brand name to have fun with shortwave. There are some good quality radios out there that are fairly inexpensive. Yes, there are also junk radios that a waste of money, and you have to be careful to avoid. Read the reviews in Passort to Worldband Radio, and you will get a good idea of what to look for, and what to avoid. Went out and bought LowePro camera cases for the DE11's that fit them nice and snug, give them great protection and have room in a little pouch on the case for a spare set of batteries and the little extension plug-in antenna that comes with the radio. A great little radio for an emergency preparedness get-away kit. Included in our family's kit are 2500 mAh re-chargable batteres and a fold up solar cell charger. My larger radios would just take up too much room, and weigh more as well. They would have to stay behind, although I would be tempted to try ands grab the KA1102. Size and weight are important issues for some types of travel. Anyone who says that this little radio, the DE11/KA11, is a peace of crap obviously doesn't know what they are talking about, or they have a hatred of anything that comes out of Communist China. (I hate all forms of totalitariansim, but they are making some good radios at good prices. God, I wish we could do that here in the western nations. Yes, we can make some excellent radios, but at prices out of the range of a lot of people struggling to raise families and pay taxes.) I am not saying that it's the best radio, it's not, but it is a good radio, maybe very good for my intended usage. Maybe some people just feel that if you can't afford to spend $300 - $500 or more, then don't bother buying a shortwave receive. Well, that statement is crap as far as I am concerned. You can have a lot of fun, and listen to some interesting shortwave broadcasts without having to spend money that you can't afford to spend. I have owned shortwave receivers for forty years, and believe that I have a good feel for what is a good radio. I can't inderstand why someone would not be able to receive anything with the DE11. Perhaps a bad unit got out of the factory. I would go back to the store and try another one. Or check the batterys and the Local/DX switch. My DE11 picks up all kinds of stations just off the whip. Adding a length of wire, either plugged into the jack, or clipped to the whip gives it a boost of course. This is the last I have to say in this debate. Have fun. Cato |
people in the know refer to Gegen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
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"news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote: "Cato" wrote in message ps.com... Not all of us can afford $300 - $500 for a new radio. Not everyone can afford a brand new Cadillac or Maserati. If you have more money then you know what to do with, that's fine. Good for you. Have fun. But for the rest of us that have to slog three shifts, and support a family and pay almost fifty percent of our income to taxes, you really can't beat the Degen DE11/ Kaito KA 11 in it's price range. Nothing wrong with a good Ford or GMC vehicle if you can't afford an expensive exotic luxury vehicle. Among the cheaper radios, the DE11/KA11 really stands out as a higher quality, better performing radio. Sure, it will never have a chance of equaling your Sonys. Your Sonys will outperform the DE11/KA. No question about that. But the DE11/KA11 beats pretty well everything else in its price bracket. The fact is the Degen DE11/Kaito KA11 delivers a lot more performance then its price would suggest. Compared to many other cheap radios (like the SN400, the Kaiwa KA-818, Eton Mini 300PE, Grundig G110A, Sangean PT-50, etc. etc.), it is a good performer. It is also built much better then its price would suggest. It's an excellent bargain for those of us in in the bit lower income level that can't see spending our hard earned money on a radio that's up in the exotic class like the Sony SW100 & SW07. I could buy one of those Sonys, but then maybe my kids would have to do without decent skates for playing hockey in their leagues. So, instead, they get good skates, I go with nice Kaito or Degen radios instead of the higher performance Sonys. I love Sony, and if I could afford one, I would get one. I do own an older Sony ICF 2002 ( ICF-7600D), and it a good radio, works like the day I bought it back in '84. But I am more then pleased with my decision. The kids are happy with their skates. I am happy with my radios. For those of us that simply can't afford a radio like a SonySW100 or SW07, there are several Kaito/Degen radios in the $50.00 - $100 range that are well built and perform admirably. Regards, Cato Do you actually have one of these? The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. A company which goes against the grain of development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing technological achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when put into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong) Keep on dreaming your dreamy dreams. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
people in the know refer to Degen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
wrote in message ups.com... The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. Which people in the know started referring Gegen as producing better radios than Sony. What's a Gegen. Degen is the company which seems to go under a variety of names. It produces for Grundig amongst others: See http://www.radiointel.com/review-kaitoka1101.htm (Kaito being another of their names) Another reviewer said: " By no means will this be the final word on this impressive little radio. The DE1102 will no doubt be talked about and debated when it makes its way to the global Shortwave listening community. Some will like the DE1102's page system while others may find it confusing or irritating. But as with all radios, it's how well the radio receives radio signals in the end determines mostly if it is a "good radio". The DE1102 is a good radio." in http://www.radiointel.com/review-degende1102.htm A company which goes against the grain of development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing technological achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when put into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong) I however have this radio and have noticed an alarming tendency towards 'the Phillips effect', - putting features, knobs, mechanisms on it which don't actually do anything. Really. Which specific knobs don't do anyhting on this radio. What it calls the ATS feature. Also possibly the scan feature? Have you tried it? It says it is dual conversion on Kaito's radios page but then on its own page doesn't make any such claim. Which being the case it should have some pretty advanced circuitry to compensate for this but it doesn't make any such claim. What would it be compensating for by having dual conversion circuitry. You will have to look that one up for precise details on pages too numerous to mention only sports those 'Phillips' features. Which features. The scan feature? Mine doesn't actually pick up any stations and when I bought it for this amazing auto-memorising of 1000 short wave stations It doesn't pick up ANY radio stations? I find that hard to believe unless you forgot to put the batteries in. (See later in my message for the meaning of this) I am glad to hear that someone doesn't regard this piece as a toy and look forward to your informed review of it? It could well be that I am doing something wrong and I did indicate that Degen doesn't normally do this type of thing. |
people in the know refer to Gegen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
"Cato" wrote in message oups.com... My radios are, Panasonic RF-2200, Sony ICF-7600D (ICF-2002), I've had those first two radios for years, and they are still excellent performers. I also own, Eton E5, Eton E100, Kaito KA1102, Kaito KA1101, Kaito KA105, Grundig Mini-300PE and they are all fun to use. A month and a half ago I purchased a Degen DE11 from a seller on eBay along with a Degen DE31 active loop antenna. The Degen DE11 cost me about $67 bucks with delivery. Some people say that "You get what you pay for", and I agree. But sometime you can get quite a bit for your money, and that, for me, was the case here. This little radio is not double conversion. It is only single conversion. But in my opinion a very good single conversion for its size and price. Kaito U.S.A. sells it as the Kaito KA11 and they are identical except for the name. That is all I wanted to hear: That settles it. I am doing something wrong or there may be a defect in this radio which may or may not clear itself over time. When I received it, the radio emitted a distressing whine which over powered all signals on all bands. That went away over time while I thought I was testing it. Obviously I will have to await the Degen external antenna before passing my own judgment. I ordered and received a second Degen DE11. For me they are perfect for hiking camping and canoeing trips into the wilderness. It is a better radio then the Kaito KA105/Degen DE105. Better then any other radio its size or smaller except for the expensive Sony SW100/SW107 radios, as far as I know. I know that Sony radios are excellent radios. My Sony ICF-7600D still works as good as it did the day I bought it, and I really enjoy it. My old Panasonic RF-2200 is a great radio that has excellent sensitivity, and I can listen to it far into the night. They still sell for $200 - $300 today, used, in good condition, thirty years or more after production ended. But I purchased them back in the time when I could afford something that expensive. They were a costly radio for the size at the time when they came out. But it was worth the money for me. They are good radios. But you don't have to spend that kind of money, or buy a top of the line brand name to have fun with shortwave. There are some good quality radios out there that are fairly inexpensive. Yes, there are also junk radios that a waste of money, and you have to be careful to avoid. Read the reviews in Passort to Worldband Radio, and you will get a good idea of what to look for, and what to avoid. Went out and bought LowePro camera cases for the DE11's that fit them nice and snug, give them great protection and have room in a little pouch on the case for a spare set of batteries and the little extension plug-in antenna that comes with the radio. A great little radio for an emergency preparedness get-away kit. Included in our family's kit are 2500 mAh re-chargable batteres and a fold up solar cell charger. I was partcularly impressed by its self-recharge feature! My larger radios would just take up too much room, and weigh more as well. They would have to stay behind, although I would be tempted to try ands grab the KA1102. Size and weight are important issues for some types of travel. Anyone who says that this little radio, the DE11/KA11, is a peace of crap obviously doesn't know what they are talking about, or they have a hatred of anything that comes out of Communist China. (I hate all forms of totalitariansim, but they are making some good radios at good prices. God, I wish we could do that here in the western nations. Yes, we can make some excellent radios, but at prices out of the range of a lot of people struggling to raise families and pay taxes.) I am not saying that it's the best radio, it's not, but it is a good radio, maybe very good for my intended usage. Maybe some people just feel that if you can't afford to spend $300 - $500 or more, then don't bother buying a shortwave receive. Well, that statement is crap as far as I am concerned. You can have a lot of fun, and listen to some interesting shortwave broadcasts without having to spend money that you can't afford to spend. I have owned shortwave receivers for forty years, and believe that I have a good feel for what is a good radio. I can't inderstand why someone would not be able to receive anything with the DE11. Perhaps a bad unit got out of the factory. I would go back to the store and try another one. Or check the batterys That could well be "it" and the Local/DX switch. My DE11 picks up all kinds of stations just off the whip. Adding a length of wire, either plugged into the jack, or clipped to the whip gives it a boost of course. This is the last I have to say in this debate. Have fun. Cato |
people in the know refer to Degen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
"Telamon" wrote in message The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. A company which goes against the grain of development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing technological achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when put into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong) Keep on dreaming your dreamy dreams. It is not clear whether you know what you are talking about with this comment: My statement came from an American who spends most of his time living in China where he has to deal with this attitude on what I mentioned were OTHER Chinese companies. Or is your point that you don't agree that Degen aren't one of these companies and DO produce junk? Not sure anyone around here agrees with you on this controversial point? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
people in the know refer to Gegen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
I noticed a distressing whineing noise from Kaito KA105, when the whip antenna was retracted into the radio, and the radio set on shortwave. This disappears as soon as the antenna is extended. On opening the radio up, I noticed some sort of metal shielding in the radio that would cover the antenna when the antenna is retracted into the radio. This would only happen on shortwave with the antenna retracted. I am not sure if this is the same thing that is happening to you. Try extending your whip and see if the sound disappears. Hope that helps. - Cato |
people in the know refer to Degen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
news.rcn.com wrote: wrote in message ups.com... The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. Which people in the know started referring Gegen as producing better radios than Sony. What's a Gegen. Degen is the company which seems to go under a variety of names. It produces for Grundig amongst others: See http://www.radiointel.com/review-kaitoka1101.htm (Kaito being another of their names) I know what Degen is. What is a Gegen. Another reviewer said: " By no means will this be the final word on this impressive little radio. The DE1102 will no doubt be talked about and debated when it makes its way to the global Shortwave listening community. Some will like the DE1102's page system while others may find it confusing or irritating. But as with all radios, it's how well the radio receives radio signals in the end determines mostly if it is a "good radio". The DE1102 is a good radio." in http://www.radiointel.com/review-degende1102.htm A company which goes against the grain of development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing technological achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when put into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong) I however have this radio and have noticed an alarming tendency towards 'the Phillips effect', - putting features, knobs, mechanisms on it which don't actually do anything. Really. Which specific knobs don't do anyhting on this radio. What it calls the ATS feature. Also possibly the scan feature? Have you tried it? Are you saying that those knobs do not work? If you are then what do you base that statement on. It says it is dual conversion on Kaito's radios page but then on its own page doesn't make any such claim. Which being the case it should have some pretty advanced circuitry to compensate for this but it doesn't make any such claim. What would it be compensating for by having dual conversion circuitry. You will have to look that one up for precise details on pages too numerous to mention You said the dual conversion circuitry was compensating for this, but never said what "this" was. Please explain. only sports those 'Phillips' features. Which features. The scan feature? What are Phillips features and why would they be on a Degen radio, unless Degen was designing radios for Phillips. What specifically is wrong with the scan feature. Mine doesn't actually pick up any stations and when I bought it for this amazing auto-memorising of 1000 short wave stations It doesn't pick up ANY radio stations? I find that hard to believe unless you forgot to put the batteries in. (See later in my message for the meaning of this) I am glad to hear that someone doesn't regard this piece as a toy and look forward to your informed review of it? It could well be that I am doing something wrong and I did indicate that Degen doesn't normally do this type of thing. Once again, you said it was not picking up any stations. I find it impossible to believe it does not pick up any stations on any bands. |
people in the know refer to Degen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
ha scritto nel messaggio ups.com... | | news.rcn.com wrote: | wrote in message | ups.com... | | | The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to | Gegen | as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, | especially | after a bit of development. | | Which people in the know started referring Gegen as producing better | radios than Sony. | | What's a Gegen. | Degen is the company which seems to go under a variety of names. It | produces for Grundig amongst others: See | http://www.radiointel.com/review-kaitoka1101.htm (Kaito being another of | their names) | | I know what Degen is. What is a Gegen. | | Degen = Kaito http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5071 http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/4226 |
people in the know refer to Degen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
wrote in message I know what Degen is. Well that is a relief: I thought for a moment you were a troll for making a statement about this in a thread where everyone else seems to know what they are talking about ! What is a Gegen. Another reviewer said: " By no means will this be the final word on this impressive little radio. The DE1102 will no doubt be talked about and debated when it makes its way to the global Shortwave listening community. Some will like the DE1102's page system while others may find it confusing or irritating. But as with all radios, it's how well the radio receives radio signals in the end determines mostly if it is a "good radio". The DE1102 is a good radio." in http://www.radiointel.com/review-degende1102.htm You dont say whether you agree that this is a company which produces quality products? This is quite important under the circumstances of your general comments on not having heard of them? Really. Which specific knobs don't do anyhting on this radio. What it calls the ATS feature. Also possibly the scan feature? Have you tried it? Are you saying that those knobs do not work? If you are then what do you base that statement on. I based it on pressing the scan button and the radio not picking up any stations and enabling the ATS feature adn it only tuning to static. I would have thought that somewhat obvious? It says it is dual conversion on Kaito's radios page but then on its own page doesn't make any such claim. Which being the case it should have some pretty advanced circuitry to compensate for this but it doesn't make any such claim. What would it be compensating for by having dual conversion circuitry. You will have to look that one up for precise details on pages too numerous to mention You said the dual conversion circuitry was compensating for this, but never said what "this" was. Please explain. The "this" means, in effect, not being dual conversion. only sports those 'Phillips' features. Which features. The scan feature? What are Phillips features and why would they be on a Degen radio, unless Degen was designing radios for Phillips. I see you have never owned a Phillips product like a short wave radio or a pair of noise reducing headphones which have features and buttons on them which do nothing! (It is not for me to tell you to go out and buy one and see) What specifically is wrong with the scan feature. It scans past perfectly strong stations. And tunes to white noise. Mine doesn't actually pick up any stations and when I bought it for this amazing auto-memorising of 1000 short wave stations It doesn't pick up ANY radio stations? I find that hard to believe unless you forgot to put the batteries in. (See later in my message for the meaning of this) I am glad to hear that someone doesn't regard this piece as a toy and look forward to your informed review of it? It could well be that I am doing something wrong and I did indicate that Degen doesn't normally do this type of thing. Once again, you said it was not picking up any stations. I find it impossible to believe it does not pick up any stations on any bands. |
people in the know refer to Degen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
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"news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. A company which goes against the grain of development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing technological achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when put into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong) Keep on dreaming your dreamy dreams. It is not clear whether you know what you are talking about with this comment: My statement came from an American who spends most of his time living in China where he has to deal with this attitude on what I mentioned were OTHER Chinese companies. I know what I am talking about. My vague general statement refers to the quality of Chinese produced products compared to a Japanese company such as Sony. The Chinese are not up to that quality level but I have no doubt that with the investment American companies have made in China it will not be long before they will be up to that same level. Maybe in a few more years. Or is your point that you don't agree that Degen aren't one of these companies and DO produce junk? Not sure anyone around here agrees with you on this controversial point? From comments on the news group, Internet research, and my direct experience with Chinese made products the Chinese are not up to the quality level the majority of Japanese companies have attained. I don't think the Degen's are junk but at the same time many have raised quality issues in the news group with Degen radios. Hopefully Degen will one day produce a high quality radio. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
people in the know refer to Degen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
Telamon wrote: In article , "news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. A company which goes against the grain of development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing technological achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when put into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong) Keep on dreaming your dreamy dreams. It is not clear whether you know what you are talking about with this comment: My statement came from an American who spends most of his time living in China where he has to deal with this attitude on what I mentioned were OTHER Chinese companies. I know what I am talking about. My vague general statement refers to the quality of Chinese produced products compared to a Japanese company such as Sony. The Chinese are not up to that quality level but I have no doubt that with the investment American companies have made in China it will not be long before they will be up to that same level. Maybe in a few more years. Or is your point that you don't agree that Degen aren't one of these companies and DO produce junk? Not sure anyone around here agrees with you on this controversial point? From comments on the news group, Internet research, and my direct experience with Chinese made products the Chinese are not up to the quality level the majority of Japanese companies have attained. Cato responds - I remember as a kid back in the 50's & 60's that if anyone mentioned that something was "Made in Japan", the immediate thought that came to mind was it was cheaply made junk of the very lowest quality. "Made in Japan" had that junk reputation, because for the first couple of decades after WW II, that's what the Japanese were known for making. Lots of cheaply made very poor quality goods to sell to us westerners in the U.S., Canada, and Europe. Especially lots of cheap plastic stuff. Even the plastic was the lowest quality plastic. North America was flooded with the stuff. You saw it everywhere you went. "Made in Japan!!! No wonder it isn't any good! What did you expect huh?" sound's very familiar. Cheaply made little transistor pockedt radios. cheaply made plastic toys, cheap motor cycles and thousands of other items. Foir a number of years the label "Made in Taiwan" had the same reputation. Maybe it still does with some people. But it wasn't that many years, into the 70's and 80's, before everyone wanted a Sony Walkman cassette player, followed by the Walkman CD player, and Sony T.V.'s. Other Japanese companys, like Hitachi started to make some good stuff. Honda started to make a not bad motorcycle, Honda's first cars rusted out like crazy and fell apart. But look at them today. Much improved, and they've really hurt G.M. & Ford plants in the U.S. and Canada haven't they? Along with the other foreign companys that have taken U.S. and Canadian business. I suppose the same has happened in Europe, but I am most familiar with how all these imports have hurt the traditional automotive companys in the U.S. and Canada. Adapting to these changes is very painful for a great many North Americans. I worked for G.M. of Canada Ltd. for more than thirty years, and saw how this was effecting the North American auto industry first hand. I just couldn't understand why Americans and Canadians where buying foreign cars built in Japan, Korea, and elsewhere. I expected them to buy G.M., Ford, and Chrysler to support our American and Canadian auto industry here at home. Ane then Honda, Toyota, and others started building plants in North America!!! O.K., sorry, I've gotten off topic...... What you are starting to see, is that now some good stuff is starting to come out of China, and people don't want to believe it. That's understandable. Same thing happened before when Japan started to produce some good stuff, and then Taiwan, and a few others, including South Korea. And history just keeps repeating! But times change. I don't think the Degen's are junk but at the same time many have raised quality issues in the news group with Degen radios. Hopefully Degen will one day produce a high quality radio. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
people in the know refer to Degen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
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"Cato" wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , "news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. A company which goes against the grain of development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing technological achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when put into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong) Keep on dreaming your dreamy dreams. It is not clear whether you know what you are talking about with this comment: My statement came from an American who spends most of his time living in China where he has to deal with this attitude on what I mentioned were OTHER Chinese companies. I know what I am talking about. My vague general statement refers to the quality of Chinese produced products compared to a Japanese company such as Sony. The Chinese are not up to that quality level but I have no doubt that with the investment American companies have made in China it will not be long before they will be up to that same level. Maybe in a few more years. Or is your point that you don't agree that Degen aren't one of these companies and DO produce junk? Not sure anyone around here agrees with you on this controversial point? From comments on the news group, Internet research, and my direct experience with Chinese made products the Chinese are not up to the quality level the majority of Japanese companies have attained. Cato responds - I remember as a kid back in the 50's & 60's that if anyone mentioned that something was "Made in Japan", the immediate thought that came to mind was it was cheaply made junk of the very lowest quality. "Made in Japan" had that junk reputation, because for the first couple of decades after WW II, that's what the Japanese were known for making. Lots of cheaply made very poor quality goods to sell to us westerners in the U.S., Canada, and Europe. Especially lots of cheap plastic stuff. Even the plastic was the lowest quality plastic. North America was flooded with the stuff. You saw it everywhere you went. "Made in Japan!!! No wonder it isn't any good! What did you expect huh?" sound's very familiar. Cheaply made little transistor pockedt radios. cheaply made plastic toys, cheap motor cycles and thousands of other items. Foir a number of years the label "Made in Taiwan" had the same reputation. Maybe it still does with some people. But it wasn't that many years, into the 70's and 80's, before everyone wanted a Sony Walkman cassette player, followed by the Walkman CD player, and Sony T.V.'s. Other Japanese companys, like Hitachi started to make some good stuff. Honda started to make a not bad motorcycle, Honda's first cars rusted out like crazy and fell apart. But look at them today. Much improved, and they've really hurt G.M. & Ford plants in the U.S. and Canada haven't they? Along with the other foreign companys that have taken U.S. and Canadian business. I suppose the same has happened in Europe, but I am most familiar with how all these imports have hurt the traditional automotive companys in the U.S. and Canada. Adapting to these changes is very painful for a great many North Americans. I worked for G.M. of Canada Ltd. for more than thirty years, and saw how this was effecting the North American auto industry first hand. I just couldn't understand why Americans and Canadians where buying foreign cars built in Japan, Korea, and elsewhere. I expected them to buy G.M., Ford, and Chrysler to support our American and Canadian auto industry here at home. Ane then Honda, Toyota, and others started building plants in North America!!! O.K., sorry, I've gotten off topic...... What you are starting to see, is that now some good stuff is starting to come out of China, and people don't want to believe it. That's understandable. Same thing happened before when Japan started to produce some good stuff, and then Taiwan, and a few others, including South Korea. And history just keeps repeating! But times change. I don't think the Degen's are junk but at the same time many have raised quality issues in the news group with Degen radios. Hopefully Degen will one day produce a high quality radio. I don't know what that "good stuff" is coming out of China. The made in China products are low quality in general. Take for example the electronic calipers I bought a few weeks ago that is a knockoff of a Mitutoyo unit. The design is solid being a knockoff and it worked out of the box but was kind of sticky to operate. Taking a closer look in the external nooks and crannies revealed dirt and grit. I figured if the external surfaces looked this way the insides must be worse so I took it apart and it looked like a disaster inside chock full of metal dust and grit. I carefully cleaned the interior (and exterior), reassembled the unit and it works smoothly now. Basically even if they knockoff a good design the execution is crude. The internal parts were crudely made and had nicks, scratches, machining errors but you would not see that unless you took it apart. The exterior looked fine until you took a closer look at it. I have come across electronic products using wall wart power supplies made in China that were supposed to be UL approved and they were not compliant. The design would not make the safety standards and would also fail EMI/RFI standards. I have no idea how they are getting away with selling this stuff in the USA. Complaints about radios made in China indicate that once again the environment the units were assembled in are not clean. Switches on the radios would start to fail in a short period of time. This indicates contaminants in the switch assemblies. The radios would malfunction in high humidity conditions. This indicates poor cleaning of circuit boards of ionic solder fluxes used in assembly. The operating design of the radios have some odd quirks but that might be a cultural thing. China has a ways to go before they come up to the consumer standards we get from Taiwan and Japan. I do expect that they will get there but it will take a few more years of improvements. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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I have an electronic calipers.I don't remember if it is a Mitutoyo brand
name because I haven't used them in years.I don't doubt if the battery needs to be replaced. cuhulin |
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wrote in message I know what Degen is. Well that is a relief: I thought for a moment you were a troll for making a statement about this in a thread where everyone else seems to know what they are talking about ! He was referring to your posting earlier, which said: ========================================== The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. ========================================== When you said 'Gegen', he was naturally curious as to the brand name. mike |
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"m II" wrote in message news:YRnhh.87551$rv4.51453@edtnps90... news.rcn.com wrote: wrote in message I know what Degen is. Well that is a relief: I thought for a moment you were a troll for making a statement about this in a thread where everyone else seems to know what they are talking about ! He was referring to your posting earlier, which said: ========================================== The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially after a bit of development. ========================================== When you said 'Gegen', he was naturally curious as to the brand name. I think you missed the point of my message which is that no one else thought it necessary to pick up on my spelczech's typo of Degen to Gegen and seemed to know that obviously I was referring to Degen and not some other completely unknown company. People dont start to refer to an unknown company in a wholesale manner and give the company's products great reviews and start to refer to their development policies if the company is unknown. mike |
people in the know refer to Degen as innovative, producing BETTER radios than Sony
I think that what we are seeing from our experiences, is that China makes some some junk stuff and also makes some good stuff, DEPENDING on what factory produced it or assembled it, (even Sony has quite a bit of stuff assembled in China these days. Does that mean that Sony's quality is going down??). Apparently many Japanese workers are upset that a lot of their jobs are going to China. Obviously there will be Chinese factories producing junk. Or producing good stuff, but under less then ideal conditions. Even rotten conditions that would never be acceptable in a North American or European factory. And these goods will of course leave a decidely bad impression on the buyer. But as we can see on this list, there are also those people, including me, that have had good experiences with Chinese made goods as well. (I have been happy with my Kaito KA1101, and KA1102 radios. My Eton E100 was made in China. I am happy with it. And my Eton E5 radio was designed in California, but built in China. I am happy with it also.) So I guess it all depends what factory your item was made in. Or perhaps what Chinese company made or assembled your item. But, the Chinese must realize, that if they want to sell a lot of goods to us in the west, they will have to have high quality goods. That way they will better their chances of being successful in the market place. So, like a previous poster said, their quality will most likely improve as time goes on. The Chinese do not want to fail in the international market place. CHINA - Some factorys make junk! Some factorys are starting to make some good stuff. Best of the Christmas Season to all, -Cato |
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