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Pedro Sanchez December 9th 06 02:24 PM

Landlords
 
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:06:20 -0500, "Slow Code"
wrote:

Hey Steve, does your landlord let you put up an antenna? Mine won't. :-((


Shove those antenna up the landlords ass. Ask him if he would rather
have the antenna in the air or up his ass. If he says he wants it up
his ass then break it off for him.

Landlords suck assholes.


amdx December 9th 06 06:54 PM

Landlords
 

"Pedro Sanchez" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:06:20 -0500, "Slow Code"
wrote:

Hey Steve, does your landlord let you put up an antenna? Mine won't. :-((


Shove those antenna up the landlords ass. Ask him if he would rather
have the antenna in the air or up his ass. If he says he wants it up
his ass then break it off for him.

Landlords suck assholes.

Gee, maybe you should save your money and buy your OWN home,
then you can do what you want with it.
An even better experience would be, buy a home with your own money
and rent it to those that think "Landlords suck assholes"
After a few missed rent payments your outlook will suddenly change, you
will
wonder why does that %^&$#^$ think I should support him. It's not my fault
he lost
a job, got fired, car broke down, had to take the kid to the emergency room.
It's not my fault he didn't save any money for a rainy day!
My most fun story is the guy that replaced a mailbox, he was in the middle
of
being kicked out. He went out and bought a $40 mailbox expecting me to pay
for it.
I told him to keep the mailbox. When he left he took the mailbox. The post
for this
mailbox was a buried telephone pole, it wasn't going anywhere.
When I installed my new $5.00 mailbox I mounted a 2"x6" board to the pole
with
5" x 5/16" lag bolts, then I mounted the mailbox to the 2x6 with seven 3
1/4" drywall
screws.
I would have liked to seen his face when he whacked that mailbox and it
didn't go
flying away. I hope he didn't hurt himself, NOT
He was gone about three days before he did this. I waited another week and
put up a new mailbox.
Mike
PS. One day the toilet overflowed I had to remove about 40 kotex from the
sewer
pipe one cold day in January.

PSS. sold all the rentals no more %^&$#^$ to put up with.



John Smith December 9th 06 07:11 PM

Landlords
 
Pedro:

That is one way to attack the problem.

Another is simply go the stealth route, I find it immensely more amusing ...

JS

"Pedro Sanchez" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:06:20 -0500, "Slow Code"
wrote:

Hey Steve, does your landlord let you put up an antenna? Mine won't. :-((


Shove those antenna up the landlords ass. Ask him if he would rather
have the antenna in the air or up his ass. If he says he wants it up
his ass then break it off for him.

Landlords suck assholes.




Cecil Moore December 9th 06 07:21 PM

Landlords
 
John Smith wrote:
Another is simply go the stealth route, ...


I get it. The landlord doesn't even notice a stealth
antenna being shoved up his posterior. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Slow Code December 9th 06 07:26 PM

Landlords
 

"Pedro Sanchez" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:06:20 -0500, "Slow Code"
wrote:

Hey Steve, does your landlord let you put up an antenna? Mine won't. :-((


Shove those antenna up the landlords ass. Ask him if he would rather
have the antenna in the air or up his ass. If he says he wants it up
his ass then break it off for him.

Landlords suck assholes.


Do you like a dirty sanchez? I give a great blumpkin.



John Smith December 9th 06 07:32 PM

Landlords
 
Cecil:

You leave me speechless, and busting a gut!

Warmest regards,
JS

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
. ..
John Smith wrote:
Another is simply go the stealth route, ...


I get it. The landlord doesn't even notice a stealth
antenna being shoved up his posterior. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com




Dave December 9th 06 11:20 PM

Landlords
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...
"amdx" wrote in message
...

"Pedro Sanchez" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:06:20 -0500, "Slow Code"
wrote:

Hey Steve, does your landlord let you put up an antenna? Mine won't.
:-((

Shove those antenna up the landlords ass. Ask him if he would rather
have the antenna in the air or up his ass. If he says he wants it up
his ass then break it off for him.

Landlords suck assholes.

Gee, maybe you should save your money and buy your OWN home,
then you can do what you want with it.


This is increasingly becoming a pipe dream, as more and more neighborhoods
put together ******* CCA's or whatever they call them this week, and
dictate what color paint you can have on your home, what sort of topiary,
and countless other minutia. Covenant communities should be outlawed.
Whatever happened to a man's home being his castle (i.e. personal property
rights)?

out here in the great hinterland... more than an hour drive from any of the
great 'blue' cities. you can still find land that is wild and free, where
neighbors help you put up towers instead of putting them down, and the big
question at a zoning bylaw hearing is if the new bylaw is meant to stop
celular companies from coming into town... the question was asked because
the person didn't want the bylaw to slow them down, because they couldn't
get service now and wanted it!




[email protected] December 10th 06 12:48 AM

Landlords
 
Buy some land out in the sticks (I did,a half acre of land in North
Florida) and get a Jim Walter (or similar home) home built on your land.
www.devilfinder.com Jim Walter Homes
cuhulin


Cecil Moore December 10th 06 01:05 AM

Landlords
 
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.


Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Scott December 10th 06 01:46 AM

Landlords
 
That went away with all the other rights such as the right to use a
telephone without fear of the government listening in (without a court
order) and losing your pilot license if a neighbor gets ****ed at you
for something and calls homeland security and says you're a threat (no
due process in that case, they just automatically yank it I'm told).
Very sad to see such abuse of power. I think everyone should vote every
elected official out at the next opportunity. Let's start with a clean
slate and make the lousy reps get regular jobs like the rest of us.

Scott


Brenda Ann wrote:



Whatever
happened to a man's home being his castle (i.e. personal property rights)?




Dr.Ace December 10th 06 02:18 AM

Landlords
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...
"amdx" wrote in message
...

"Pedro Sanchez" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:06:20 -0500, "Slow Code"
wrote:

Hey Steve, does your landlord let you put up an antenna? Mine won't.
:-((

Shove those antenna up the landlords ass. Ask him if he would rather
have the antenna in the air or up his ass. If he says he wants it up
his ass then break it off for him.

Landlords suck assholes.

Gee, maybe you should save your money and buy your OWN home,
then you can do what you want with it.


This is increasingly becoming a pipe dream, as more and more neighborhoods
put together ******* CCA's or whatever they call them this week, and
dictate what color paint you can have on your home, what sort of topiary,
and countless other minutia. Covenant communities should be outlawed.
Whatever happened to a man's home being his castle (i.e. personal property
rights)?



It's called contract law. Two or more parties agree to exchange
something of value and usually there are other stipulations the parties
agree to. I would never agree to a CCA . My home is my castle.
Ace - WH2T
"Live free or die."




Dr.Ace December 10th 06 02:35 AM

Landlords
 

"Dave" wrote in message
. ..

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...
"amdx" wrote in message
...

"Pedro Sanchez" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:06:20 -0500, "Slow Code"
wrote:

Hey Steve, does your landlord let you put up an antenna? Mine won't.
:-((

Shove those antenna up the landlords ass. Ask him if he would rather
have the antenna in the air or up his ass. If he says he wants it up
his ass then break it off for him.

Landlords suck assholes.

Gee, maybe you should save your money and buy your OWN home,
then you can do what you want with it.


This is increasingly becoming a pipe dream, as more and more
neighborhoods put together ******* CCA's or whatever they call them this
week, and dictate what color paint you can have on your home, what sort
of topiary, and countless other minutia. Covenant communities should be
outlawed. Whatever happened to a man's home being his castle (i.e.
personal property rights)?

out here in the great hinterland... more than an hour drive from any of
the great 'blue' cities. you can still find land that is wild and free,
where neighbors help you put up towers instead of putting them down, and
the big question at a zoning bylaw hearing is if the new bylaw is meant to
stop celular companies from coming into town... the question was asked
because the person didn't want the bylaw to slow them down, because they
couldn't get service now and wanted it!



I choose to live far enough out that I can pretty much do as I please . I
can fire a gun , or whatever in my front yard and no nosy neighbor is going
to call the police. Also I don't need to ask permission or get a zoning
variance to erect an antenna . I lived in town for 12 years . Never again .
Ace - WH2T

Everyone starts out ignorant. It is only through time, experience, and
making mistakes that people develop knowledge.







Dr.Ace December 10th 06 02:39 AM

Landlords
 

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
. ..
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.


Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com


Cecil is correct . The economic laws of supply and demand dictate that when
consumers wise up and refuse to give up their liberties, covenant
communities will be as obsolete as the horse and buggy.
Ace - WH2T

P.S. I read about the evils of drinking,

So I gave up reading.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------





Dr.Ace December 10th 06 02:42 AM

Landlords
 

"Scott" wrote in message
...
That went away with all the other rights such as the right to use a
telephone without fear of the government listening in (without a court
order) and losing your pilot license if a neighbor gets ****ed at you for
something and calls homeland security and says you're a threat (no due
process in that case, they just automatically yank it I'm told). Very sad
to see such abuse of power. I think everyone should vote every elected
official out at the next opportunity. Let's start with a clean slate and
make the lousy reps get regular jobs like the rest of us.

Scott


Brenda Ann wrote:



Whatever
happened to a man's home being his castle (i.e. personal property
rights)?


-------------------------------------------------------------------------

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin



Government is not reason. Government is not eloquence. It is force. And,
like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

-George Washington



"You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot
be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great
Legislator of the Universe."

-John Adams.



Need I say more ?

Ace - www.WH2T.com





[email protected] December 10th 06 02:11 PM

Landlords
 
Cecil Moore wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.


Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com


Yup - as long as those consumers know what they are getting into.

In more than a few places, the buyer doesn't know a house has covenants
unless they ask exactly the right questions and insist on the answers
in writing. Many folks live in houses with very restrictive covenants
without ever realizing it, because they don't do anything that violates
the covenants.

One of the ironies of all this is that covenanted properties tend to
appreciate in value more slowly than unrestricted ones. This makes them
less expensive - and more popular with buyers.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Cecil Moore December 10th 06 02:52 PM

Landlords
 
wrote:
Many folks live in houses with very restrictive covenants
without ever realizing it, because they don't do anything that violates
the covenants.


When I bought my present house, the real estate agent
had no idea about any restrictions concerning this
property. After a lot of digging they were uncovered.
--
73, Cecil
http://www.w5dxp.com

[email protected] December 10th 06 03:32 PM

Landlords
 
Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Many folks live in houses with very restrictive covenants
without ever realizing it, because they don't do anything that violates
the covenants.


When I bought my present house, the real estate agent
had no idea about any restrictions concerning this
property. After a lot of digging they were uncovered.


Hopefully not literally!

The real kicker in all of this is the buyer who doesn't know the right
questions to ask,
and how to evaluate the answers. A verbal statement by the agent, owner
or anybody
else is worthless when confronted by legally recorded covenants in
black-and-white.

These questions have to be asked up-front - preferably before even
looking at a
property.

Always remember that RE agents don't make any money until a sale
closes.

73 de Jim, N2EY


del.icio.us December 10th 06 04:03 PM

Tenants suck!
 
Evict the welfare *******.

"amdx" wrote in message
...

"Pedro Sanchez" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:06:20 -0500, "Slow Code"
wrote:

Hey Steve, does your landlord let you put up an antenna? Mine won't.

:-((

Shove those antenna up the landlords ass. Ask him if he would rather
have the antenna in the air or up his ass. If he says he wants it up
his ass then break it off for him.

Landlords suck assholes.

Gee, maybe you should save your money and buy your OWN home,
then you can do what you want with it.
An even better experience would be, buy a home with your own money
and rent it to those that think "Landlords suck assholes"
After a few missed rent payments your outlook will suddenly change, you
will
wonder why does that %^&$#^$ think I should support him. It's not my fault
he lost
a job, got fired, car broke down, had to take the kid to the emergency

room.
It's not my fault he didn't save any money for a rainy day!
My most fun story is the guy that replaced a mailbox, he was in the

middle
of
being kicked out. He went out and bought a $40 mailbox expecting me to

pay
for it.
I told him to keep the mailbox. When he left he took the mailbox. The post
for this
mailbox was a buried telephone pole, it wasn't going anywhere.
When I installed my new $5.00 mailbox I mounted a 2"x6" board to the

pole
with
5" x 5/16" lag bolts, then I mounted the mailbox to the 2x6 with seven 3
1/4" drywall
screws.
I would have liked to seen his face when he whacked that mailbox and it
didn't go
flying away. I hope he didn't hurt himself, NOT
He was gone about three days before he did this. I waited another week

and
put up a new mailbox.
Mike
PS. One day the toilet overflowed I had to remove about 40 kotex from the
sewer
pipe one cold day in January.

PSS. sold all the rentals no more %^&$#^$ to put up with.





[email protected] December 10th 06 04:47 PM

Landlords
 

Brenda Ann wrote:
"amdx" wrote in message
...

"Pedro Sanchez" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:06:20 -0500, "Slow Code"
wrote:

Hey Steve, does your landlord let you put up an antenna? Mine won't. :-((

Shove those antenna up the landlords ass. Ask him if he would rather
have the antenna in the air or up his ass. If he says he wants it up
his ass then break it off for him.

Landlords suck assholes.

Gee, maybe you should save your money and buy your OWN home,
then you can do what you want with it.


This is increasingly becoming a pipe dream, as more and more neighborhoods
put together ******* CCA's or whatever they call them this week, and dictate
what color paint you can have on your home, what sort of topiary, and
countless other minutia.


Generally neighborhoods don't put them together. Homeowners
associations and the related CCR's found in the deed are usually
required by either city or county planning commissions as a tradeoff
for denser than normal housing in planned communities. With those
restrictions you usually get community open space and some level of
community recreation facilities, etc.

Whether they are good or bad or something in-between really depends on
what you want in your locality. Some of us enjoy the freedom to do
more-or-less what ever we want with our house. Along with that right
comes the responsibility to acccept whatever your next-door-neighbor
does with his house. About 10 miles away is a community with out a
HOA that is composed of 80 year old well maintained brick or wood
colonial houses. One guy has painted his brick home contrasting colors
of purple, pink and blue. Another puts fills up most of his yard with
at least 100 beatup plastic santas and other xmas paraphernalia. And
yet a third house has a very large oak that was chainsaw sculpted to
look like a 30 foot nude with huge breasts and 2 large branches made
into arms extended open toward the house. And these are neighborhoods
with houses that sell for $900,000 and up.

I would prefer to not have stuff like that next door and am willing to
trade off the right to paint my mailbox any color.

Covenant communities should be outlawed.


Why should they be outlawed? If you don't like them just move to a
location where there isn't a home owners association.

Whatever
happened to a man's home being his castle (i.e. personal property rights)?


What specifically are personal property rights. I have yet to find the
locality where you can do anything you want on your property.


Pedro Sanchez December 11th 06 04:07 PM

Landlords
 
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 12:54:45 -0600, "amdx" wrote:


"Pedro Sanchez" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:06:20 -0500, "Slow Code"
wrote:

Hey Steve, does your landlord let you put up an antenna? Mine won't. :-((


Shove those antenna up the landlords ass. Ask him if he would rather
have the antenna in the air or up his ass. If he says he wants it up
his ass then break it off for him.

Landlords suck assholes.

Gee, maybe you should save your money and buy your OWN home,
then you can do what you want with it.
An even better experience would be, buy a home with your own money
and rent it to those that think "Landlords suck assholes"
After a few missed rent payments your outlook will suddenly change, you
will
wonder why does that %^&$#^$ think I should support him. It's not my fault
he lost
a job, got fired, car broke down, had to take the kid to the emergency room.
It's not my fault he didn't save any money for a rainy day!
My most fun story is the guy that replaced a mailbox, he was in the middle
of
being kicked out. He went out and bought a $40 mailbox expecting me to pay
for it.
I told him to keep the mailbox. When he left he took the mailbox. The post
for this
mailbox was a buried telephone pole, it wasn't going anywhere.
When I installed my new $5.00 mailbox I mounted a 2"x6" board to the pole
with
5" x 5/16" lag bolts, then I mounted the mailbox to the 2x6 with seven 3
1/4" drywall
screws.
I would have liked to seen his face when he whacked that mailbox and it
didn't go
flying away. I hope he didn't hurt himself, NOT
He was gone about three days before he did this. I waited another week and
put up a new mailbox.
Mike
PS. One day the toilet overflowed I had to remove about 40 kotex from the
sewer
pipe one cold day in January.

PSS. sold all the rentals no more %^&$#^$ to put up with.


So, you're saying you like/defend suck-asshole asshole landlords? or
what?



D Peter Maus December 11th 06 06:31 PM

Landlords
 
Cecil Moore wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.


Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.



Tough to do, today. In a number of states, Illinois being one, new
developments are required to have HOA's with a standard, boilerplate
CC&R statement provided by the Assembly for simplicity.

Pre-existing non HOA communities are forming HOA's to protect
themselves from intrusion by commercial interests that cannot get
traction in other HOA communities.

AND...in at least two counties, here, there are basic CC&R's in place
on undeveloped land, levied by county boards, in speculation that
developers may wish to move that way. Meaning, you can buy a piece of
land in deep weeds, build a home with your own hands, and before you
close the door, be in violation of antenna restrictions. Even though the
nearest neighbor may be an hour away.

Rejecting HOA communities, today, may mean having to move a half a
continent away.

You can't even homestead property on the tundra, anymore.






an_old_friend December 11th 06 06:34 PM

Landlords
 

D Peter Maus wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.


Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.



Tough to do, today. In a number of states, Illinois being one, new
developments are required to have HOA's with a standard, boilerplate
CC&R statement provided by the Assembly for simplicity.


when did Illinois do that

Pre-existing non HOA communities are forming HOA's to protect
themselves from intrusion by commercial interests that cannot get
traction in other HOA communities.

AND...in at least two counties, here, there are basic CC&R's in place
on undeveloped land, levied by county boards, in speculation that
developers may wish to move that way. Meaning, you can buy a piece of
land in deep weeds, build a home with your own hands, and before you
close the door, be in violation of antenna restrictions. Even though the
nearest neighbor may be an hour away.


glad I left the state a few years back

Rejecting HOA communities, today, may mean having to move a half a
continent away.

You can't even homestead property on the tundra, anymore.


well I hard live in tunadra and your tendecy for hyperbole makes me
question the accuratcy of what you are saying


D Peter Maus December 11th 06 06:39 PM

Landlords
 
an_old_friend wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.
Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.


Tough to do, today. In a number of states, Illinois being one, new
developments are required to have HOA's with a standard, boilerplate
CC&R statement provided by the Assembly for simplicity.


when did Illinois do that




That's a good question. I don't believe it was in place when I
bought my house eleven years ago. But I've been hearing it now for a
number of years from sources within both the real estate community, and
media.


Pre-existing non HOA communities are forming HOA's to protect
themselves from intrusion by commercial interests that cannot get
traction in other HOA communities.

AND...in at least two counties, here, there are basic CC&R's in place
on undeveloped land, levied by county boards, in speculation that
developers may wish to move that way. Meaning, you can buy a piece of
land in deep weeds, build a home with your own hands, and before you
close the door, be in violation of antenna restrictions. Even though the
nearest neighbor may be an hour away.


glad I left the state a few years back




You are not alone in that sentiment. And I'm not far behind you.


Cecil Moore December 11th 06 07:30 PM

Landlords
 
D Peter Maus wrote:
Rejecting HOA communities, today, may mean having to move a half a
continent away.


Texas ain't full yet. Y'all come on down.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

John Smith December 11th 06 07:38 PM

Landlords
 
Cecil Moore wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:
Rejecting HOA communities, today, may mean having to move a half a
continent away.


Texas ain't full yet. Y'all come on down.


Hmmm. Rumor, in Calif, is that the illegal aliens squatters have all
the land!

Chuckling,
JS

[email protected] December 11th 06 09:48 PM

Landlords
 
fed govt has given the Illegal Aliens more rights than the Ameican
people whom were/are born and raised in America.If you so much as say
one word to the Illegal Aliens (the same is also true for the muslims
too) they don't like or even look cross eyed at them,all they have to do
is go crying to fed govt and they can own everything you/we have.More
and more,one of those little bitty Isles off the West Coast of Ireland
(or somewhere in Southwestern Ireland) is looking more and more better
to me.However,I am not going to move away from U.S.A.
www.devilfinder.com Aran Isles Ireland
Heck,even Hungary and Poland and Lithuania and Romania is looking good
to me.
cuhulin


Dave December 11th 06 10:11 PM

Landlords
 
D Peter Maus wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:

Covenant communities should be outlawed.



Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.




Tough to do, today. In a number of states, Illinois being one, new
developments are required to have HOA's with a standard, boilerplate
CC&R statement provided by the Assembly for simplicity.

SNIPPED


If the CC&R is "provided by the Assembly" is that to be understood as an agency
of government?



D Peter Maus December 11th 06 11:18 PM

Landlords
 
Dave wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:

Covenant communities should be outlawed.


Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.




Tough to do, today. In a number of states, Illinois being one, new
developments are required to have HOA's with a standard, boilerplate
CC&R statement provided by the Assembly for simplicity.

SNIPPED


If the CC&R is "provided by the Assembly" is that to be understood as an
agency of government?




The Assembly is an agency of government, yes. The boilerplate CC&R's
provided, as I've read them, are provided as a guideline. Local HOA's
are free to amend them as necessary, or as desired. Or to create CC&R's
of their own.

There are in a number of states, now--Maryland and Delaware among
them--agencies of government which, at least in theory, oversee the
operations of HOA's within the state, and are the authority to which
residents may appeal cases of malfeasance, or abuse. In Maryland, this
agency has relatively broad powers, and works quite effectively at
bringing errant HOA's into compliance. In other states...not so.

In many states, HOA's, and their oversight agencies, are not aware of
the federal exemption protecting TV and small dish antennae, Ham and CB
antennae, and--at least in the opinion of a couple of FCC
Commissioners--shortwave receiving antennae. It's up to the homeowner to
keep current of the regs, rulings and opinions of FCC regarding antennae
for radio hobbycraft. These may be the homeowner's only weapons when
the issue becomes heated on the front lawn.

There is a growing number of books out there, today, regarding the
gathering nightmare of HOA abuse, offering accurate information state by
state, and remedies in the event of abuse. Do a websearch. There's a
LOT of information out there.

Dave December 12th 06 12:06 AM

Landlords
 
D Peter Maus wrote:


SNIPPED



If the CC&R is "provided by the Assembly" is that to be understood as
an agency of government?




The Assembly is an agency of government, yes. The boilerplate CC&R's
provided, as I've read them, are provided as a guideline. Local HOA's
are free to amend them as necessary, or as desired. Or to create CC&R's
of their own.

There are in a number of states, now--Maryland and Delaware among
them--agencies of government which, at least in theory, oversee the
operations of HOA's within the state, and are the authority to which
residents may appeal cases of malfeasance, or abuse. In Maryland, this
agency has relatively broad powers, and works quite effectively at
bringing errant HOA's into compliance. In other states...not so.

In many states, HOA's, and their oversight agencies, are not aware of
the federal exemption protecting TV and small dish antennae, Ham and CB
antennae, and--at least in the opinion of a couple of FCC
Commissioners--shortwave receiving antennae. It's up to the homeowner to
keep current of the regs, rulings and opinions of FCC regarding antennae
for radio hobbycraft. These may be the homeowner's only weapons when
the issue becomes heated on the front lawn.

There is a growing number of books out there, today, regarding the
gathering nightmare of HOA abuse, offering accurate information state by
state, and remedies in the event of abuse. Do a websearch. There's a
LOT of information out there.


Your response goes right to the point. If the HOA is from a government entity
the PRB-1 exemption should be claimed and defended prior to purchase.


D Peter Maus December 12th 06 12:16 AM

Landlords
 
Dave wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:


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If the CC&R is "provided by the Assembly" is that to be understood as
an agency of government?




The Assembly is an agency of government, yes. The boilerplate CC&R's
provided, as I've read them, are provided as a guideline. Local HOA's
are free to amend them as necessary, or as desired. Or to create
CC&R's of their own.

There are in a number of states, now--Maryland and Delaware among
them--agencies of government which, at least in theory, oversee the
operations of HOA's within the state, and are the authority to which
residents may appeal cases of malfeasance, or abuse. In Maryland, this
agency has relatively broad powers, and works quite effectively at
bringing errant HOA's into compliance. In other states...not so.

In many states, HOA's, and their oversight agencies, are not aware
of the federal exemption protecting TV and small dish antennae, Ham
and CB antennae, and--at least in the opinion of a couple of FCC
Commissioners--shortwave receiving antennae. It's up to the homeowner
to keep current of the regs, rulings and opinions of FCC regarding
antennae for radio hobbycraft. These may be the homeowner's only
weapons when the issue becomes heated on the front lawn.

There is a growing number of books out there, today, regarding the
gathering nightmare of HOA abuse, offering accurate information state
by state, and remedies in the event of abuse. Do a websearch.
There's a LOT of information out there.


Your response goes right to the point. If the HOA is from a government
entity the PRB-1 exemption should be claimed and defended prior to
purchase.



Absolutely. But how many really know about that exemption going in?
And frankly, how many really think about this issue when the realtor is
throwing around numbers?

You would. I would. There are others here who would.

But by and large, no. Home buyers, as a group do not consider this
issue when making the purchase. Preferring to bitch after the fact.

Then, again, most HOA's that I've gotten to deal with have been
absolutely unwilling to both answer questions or provide copies of
bylaws and regulations to which they hold homeowners responsible. One
former member, here--who worked at VOA for years, is an active ham and
SWL--lived under the shadow of an HOA which refused to provide him a
copy of the bylaws, even after a ruling in his favor by the Maryland HOA
oversight agency.


You're right. Exemptions and unlawful restrictions SHOULD be claimed
and defended prior to purchase.

It doesn't happen.






Not Cocksucker Lloyd December 12th 06 01:50 PM

Landlords
 

wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:39:30 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.
Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.

Tough to do, today. In a number of states, Illinois being one, new
developments are required to have HOA's with a standard, boilerplate
CC&R statement provided by the Assembly for simplicity.

when did Illinois do that




That's a good question. I don't believe it was in place when I
bought my house eleven years ago. But I've been hearing it now for a
number of years from sources within both the real estate community, and
media.


it was not inplace in 1992 when I brought in central Illinois


You mean when your daddy bought, don't you?




Pre-existing non HOA communities are forming HOA's to protect
themselves from intrusion by commercial interests that cannot get
traction in other HOA communities.

AND...in at least two counties, here, there are basic CC&R's in place
on undeveloped land, levied by county boards, in speculation that
developers may wish to move that way. Meaning, you can buy a piece of
land in deep weeds, build a home with your own hands, and before you
close the door, be in violation of antenna restrictions. Even though the
nearest neighbor may be an hour away.

glad I left the state a few years back




You are not alone in that sentiment. And I'm not far behind you.


yea around here almost no one cares what sort of anttnenas I put a
small strnge luthern sect hate any and all atennas down to rabbit ear
of a TV


No, they are more worried about the toxic waste dump that is your yard,
Marqueer!



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