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tom k in L.A. December 29th 06 10:13 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
Hi all I live up in the west hollywood hills -- if i get an eton e1, do
you think i'll be able to receive bbc broadcasts ?


Mike December 29th 06 11:10 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
"tom k in L.A." wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all I live up in the west hollywood hills -- if i get an eton e1, do
you think i'll be able to receive bbc broadcasts ?


Possibly an Asia/Oceana broadcast.

If BBC is all you are interested in, why not just listen online?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/

Click on Open BBC Radio Player. Let it install the WMP active X control
and listen static free 24 hours a day.

Mike




Telamon December 30th 06 12:36 AM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
In article , "Mike"
wrote:

"tom k in L.A." wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all I live up in the west hollywood hills -- if i get an eton e1, do
you think i'll be able to receive bbc broadcasts ?


Possibly an Asia/Oceana broadcast.

If BBC is all you are interested in, why not just listen online?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/

Click on Open BBC Radio Player. Let it install the WMP active X control
and listen static free 24 hours a day.


I don't think that will work on the Eton E1.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Mike December 30th 06 01:33 AM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
I don't think that will work on the Eton E1.


Wow. What a brilliant, incisive comment.

The point being, if all he is interested in is BBC, there is little point in
buying a $500 radio. His current computer is more than enough.

Mike


Telamon December 30th 06 04:17 AM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
In article , "Mike"
wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
I don't think that will work on the Eton E1.


Wow. What a brilliant, incisive comment.

The point being, if all he is interested in is BBC, there is little point in
buying a $500 radio. His current computer is more than enough.


My brilliant and incisive comment pertains to the fact that this is
rec.radio.shortwave

He has a computer and Internet connection or he could not post to the
news group.

Why listen to low bit rate audio on the Internet anyway.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David December 30th 06 04:21 AM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
On 29 Dec 2006 14:13:23 -0800, "tom k in L.A."
wrote:

Hi all I live up in the west hollywood hills -- if i get an eton e1, do
you think i'll be able to receive bbc broadcasts ?


9740 in the morning is about it. (Unless you get an XM attachment for
the E-1. The World Service is on 24/7. Fee required.)

ve3... December 30th 06 02:53 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 

Telamon wrote:


Why listen to low bit rate audio on the Internet anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California

""""""""""""'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Why? Let me count the ways:
1. The bbc streams at about 20k and sounds very good
2. It is free from fading, static, interference, and hiss.
3. The bbc web site offers a wide variety of programs.
4. It is free.
5. It is available 24/7


dxAce December 30th 06 02:55 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 


"ve3..." wrote:

Telamon wrote:


Why listen to low bit rate audio on the Internet anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California

""""""""""""'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Why? Let me count the ways:
1. The bbc streams at about 20k and sounds very good
2. It is free from fading, static, interference, and hiss.
3. The bbc web site offers a wide variety of programs.
4. It is free.
5. It is available 24/7


But it sure as hell ain't shortwave!

You may run along now.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Mike December 30th 06 03:06 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
"dxAce" wrote in message
...


"ve3..." wrote:

Telamon wrote:


Why listen to low bit rate audio on the Internet anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California

""""""""""""'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Why? Let me count the ways:
1. The bbc streams at about 20k and sounds very good
2. It is free from fading, static, interference, and hiss.
3. The bbc web site offers a wide variety of programs.
4. It is free.
5. It is available 24/7


But it sure as hell ain't shortwave!


No, it's better than shortwave!

Look, I'm a long time shortwave listener. Been listening since the 60s,
when America was referred too as "running dog capitalists" by Radio Moscow -
and Radio Moscow didn't have commercials! I have dozens of radios here.
Grundigs, Tecsuns, Drake, Scott and Zenith antique tube radios, Panasonics,
Hallicrafters, Sears, etc.

The OP was interested in BBC. I took this to mean he was *only* interested
in BBC. If that is indeed the case, he does not need a $500 radio. His
computer will work fine.

BTW, BBC is not a "low bitrate" stream. 20K for voice is plenty. It
sounds better than *any* shortwave radio, and is available 24/7, static,
hiss and drift free.

Just another option for the OP to consider.

Mike



ve3... December 30th 06 03:06 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 

dxAce wrote:
"ve3..." wrote:

Telamon wrote:


Why listen to low bit rate audio on the Internet anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California

""""""""""""'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Why? Let me count the ways:
1. The bbc streams at about 20k and sounds very good
2. It is free from fading, static, interference, and hiss.
3. The bbc web site offers a wide variety of programs.
4. It is free.
5. It is available 24/7


But it sure as hell ain't shortwave!

You may run along now.

dxAce
Michigan

_________________________________________________

Are you saying that shortwave radio is an obsolete method of program
delivery?
Get an internet radio, boy.


Mike December 30th 06 03:12 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
"ve3..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Are you saying that shortwave radio is an obsolete method of program
delivery?


Of course it is. But most people in this group will never admit that.

Get an internet radio, boy.


Got several - my computers!

Mike



dxAce December 30th 06 03:12 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


"ve3..." wrote:

Telamon wrote:


Why listen to low bit rate audio on the Internet anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
""""""""""""'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Why? Let me count the ways:
1. The bbc streams at about 20k and sounds very good
2. It is free from fading, static, interference, and hiss.
3. The bbc web site offers a wide variety of programs.
4. It is free.
5. It is available 24/7


But it sure as hell ain't shortwave!


No, it's better than shortwave!


Pay attention! It's not shortwave.

Look, I'm a long time shortwave listener.


So am I, and I know full well that listening via the internet is not shortwave

Been listening since the 60s,
when America was referred too as "running dog capitalists" by Radio Moscow -
and Radio Moscow didn't have commercials!


Those were the days!

I have dozens of radios here.
Grundigs, Tecsuns, Drake, Scott and Zenith antique tube radios, Panasonics,
Hallicrafters, Sears, etc.


That's nice.

The OP was interested in BBC.


Yes, and by golly he actually mentioned using a shortwave radio in his original post.

I took this to mean he was *only* interested
in BBC. If that is indeed the case, he does not need a $500 radio. His
computer will work fine.


Read the above...

BTW, BBC is not a "low bitrate" stream. 20K for voice is plenty. It
sounds better than *any* shortwave radio, and is available 24/7, static,
hiss and drift free.


Yes, and once again, it's not shortwave.

Sheesh!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce December 30th 06 03:14 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 


"ve3..." wrote:

dxAce wrote:
"ve3..." wrote:

Telamon wrote:


Why listen to low bit rate audio on the Internet anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
""""""""""""'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Why? Let me count the ways:
1. The bbc streams at about 20k and sounds very good
2. It is free from fading, static, interference, and hiss.
3. The bbc web site offers a wide variety of programs.
4. It is free.
5. It is available 24/7


But it sure as hell ain't shortwave!

You may run along now.

dxAce
Michigan

_________________________________________________

Are you saying that shortwave radio is an obsolete method of program
delivery?
Get an internet radio, boy.


Stuff that internet radio up your dumb Canucky ass, boy!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce December 30th 06 03:25 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 


Mike wrote:

"ve3..." wrote in message
oups.com...
Are you saying that shortwave radio is an obsolete method of program
delivery?


Of course it is. But most people in this group will never admit that.


Even if it was, this is not rec.internet.listening!

Please, try to pay attention.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Mike December 30th 06 04:01 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Yes, and once again, it's not shortwave.


It's entirely possible that the OP didn't realize he could listen to BBC on
the net. Shortwave is no longer the only (or best) way to get it.

Sheesh!


Back atcha.

Mike



dxAce December 30th 06 04:13 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Yes, and once again, it's not shortwave.


It's entirely possible that the OP didn't realize he could listen to BBC on
the net.


Well you've told him, and now you both can run along!

dxAce
Michigan
USA




Telamon December 30th 06 06:24 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
In article , "Mike"
wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


"ve3..." wrote:

Telamon wrote:


Why listen to low bit rate audio on the Internet anyway. --
Telamon Ventura, California
""""""""""""'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''
'''''''' '''''''''''''''''''' Why? Let me count the ways: 1. The
bbc streams at about 20k and sounds very good 2. It is free from
fading, static, interference, and hiss. 3. The bbc web site offers
a wide variety of programs. 4. It is free. 5. It is available 24/7


But it sure as hell ain't shortwave!


No, it's better than shortwave!


Everybody with a computer and Internet connection knows about radio
stations that stream. This technology just like radio has its drawbacks
ranging from sound quality to availability so no way in hell are you
going to convince a NORMAL THINKING INDIVIDUAL that Internet streaming
technology is BETTER.

Look, I'm a long time shortwave listener. Been listening since the
60s, when America was referred too as "running dog capitalists" by
Radio Moscow - and Radio Moscow didn't have commercials! I have
dozens of radios here. Grundigs, Tecsuns, Drake, Scott and Zenith
antique tube radios, Panasonics, Hallicrafters, Sears, etc.

The OP was interested in BBC. I took this to mean he was *only*
interested in BBC. If that is indeed the case, he does not need a
$500 radio. His computer will work fine.

BTW, BBC is not a "low bitrate" stream. 20K for voice is plenty.
It sounds better than *any* shortwave radio, and is available 24/7,
static, hiss and drift free.


I have listen to it and it sounds like crap. I do not think I am alone
in thinking that listening to low bit rate audio is tiring on the ears.
You must like all your pictures in low resolution too.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

ve3... December 30th 06 07:38 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 

Mike wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Yes, and once again, it's not shortwave.


It's entirely possible that the OP didn't realize he could listen to BBC on
the net. Shortwave is no longer the only (or best) way to get it.

Sheesh!


Back atcha.

Mike

'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''
The problem with shortwave listening is that there is not much left to
listen to. Most of the big international broadcasters have shut down
their tranmitters and moved program delivery to the internet or
satellite. Radio Finland is this week's loss. There are a few still on
the air, like Radio Canada International, producing good programs, but
they are on tight budgets and restricted schedules.
There are over a thousand people registered to this website, and
many of them are new and want to actually listen to something on their
new portable sw radios. They want to hear different points of view from
foreign locales but all they get on their radios are preachers asking
for support (money). By the time they can spell Walterboro, they are
discouraged at their inability to hear on shortwave the programs that
have moved to the internet.
One type of shortwave hobbyist is not paticularly interested in
programs but specializes in ferreting out weak and distant stations.
The weak broadcast from Ulan Bator or the 50-watt rebel transmitter in
deepest Africa are his targets. This specialty requires excellent
receivers and big antennas. The fact that the programs are not in
English is irrelevant, since the competition of the country count is
the thing.
Unfortunately, we are at the bottom of the sunspot 11-year cycle so
short-wave reception is at its worst and it will be a few years before
conditions improve. By then, at the current rate of loss of stations on
shortwave, there will be nothing left except preachers and weak
remotes that will need top-end equipment that most people will not want
to buy.
I think we are in a transitional phase. The rapid growth of
internet-based radio plus the advances in cell technology will produce
a portable cell phone radio that will combine many functions including
streamed programs from foreign countries. In fact, you can do this now
if you have a newer cell phone and are near a cell. You can listen to
the bbc right now as if you had a portable radio...actually you do.
When this happy day arrives, rec.radio.shortwave will revert to dx
chasing only and the 10 denizens will no longer be bothered by people
who want to listen to programs.


[email protected] December 30th 06 07:45 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
I can get bbc America on my DirecTV.I never tune in to that biassed
Stupid bbc tv channel though.Besides,that bbc woman on there is UGLY!
cuhulin


[email protected] December 30th 06 07:46 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
SHOVE your bbc!
cuhulin


ve3... December 30th 06 08:01 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 

Telamon wrote:



BTW, BBC is not a "low bitrate" stream. 20K for voice is plenty.
It sounds better than *any* shortwave radio, and is available 24/7,
static, hiss and drift free.


I have listen to it and it sounds like crap. I do not think I am alone
in thinking that listening to low bit rate audio is tiring on the ears.
You must like all your pictures in low resolution too.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

""""""""'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''
I agree that 8k internet audio is poor quality but I find the 20k bbc
feed much easier on the ears than any shortwave program I hear. Also,
technology moves on; and there are lots of 100 k or better internet
sites now that are fm quality and the audio quality of all sites will
soon surpass that of any shortwave broadcst. For a look at the future,
visit the Internet 2 site.


tom k in L.A. December 30th 06 08:04 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
that's a dismal but unfortunately probably realistic portrayal.

On Dec 30, 9:38 am, "ve3..." wrote:
Mike wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Yes, and once again, it's not shortwave.


It's entirely possible that the OP didn't realize he could listen to BBC on
the net. Shortwave is no longer the only (or best) way to get it.


Sheesh!


Back atcha.


Mike'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''*'''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''

The problem with shortwave listening is that there is not much left to
listen to. Most of the big international broadcasters have shut down
their tranmitters and moved program delivery to the internet or
satellite. Radio Finland is this week's loss. There are a few still on
the air, like Radio Canada International, producing good programs, but
they are on tight budgets and restricted schedules.
There are over a thousand people registered to this website, and
many of them are new and want to actually listen to something on their
new portable sw radios. They want to hear different points of view from
foreign locales but all they get on their radios are preachers asking
for support (money). By the time they can spell Walterboro, they are
discouraged at their inability to hear on shortwave the programs that
have moved to the internet.
One type of shortwave hobbyist is not paticularly interested in
programs but specializes in ferreting out weak and distant stations.
The weak broadcast from Ulan Bator or the 50-watt rebel transmitter in
deepest Africa are his targets. This specialty requires excellent
receivers and big antennas. The fact that the programs are not in
English is irrelevant, since the competition of the country count is
the thing.
Unfortunately, we are at the bottom of the sunspot 11-year cycle so
short-wave reception is at its worst and it will be a few years before
conditions improve. By then, at the current rate of loss of stations on
shortwave, there will be nothing left except preachers and weak
remotes that will need top-end equipment that most people will not want
to buy.
I think we are in a transitional phase. The rapid growth of
internet-based radio plus the advances in cell technology will produce
a portable cell phone radio that will combine many functions including
streamed programs from foreign countries. In fact, you can do this now
if you have a newer cell phone and are near a cell. You can listen to
the bbc right now as if you had a portable radio...actually you do.
When this happy day arrives, rec.radio.shortwave will revert to dx
chasing only and the 10 denizens will no longer be bothered by people
who want to listen to programs.



Telamon December 30th 06 08:10 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:


On Dec 30, 9:38 am, "ve3..." wrote:
Mike wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Yes, and once again, it's not shortwave.


It's entirely possible that the OP didn't realize he could listen to BBC
on
the net. Shortwave is no longer the only (or best) way to get it.


Sheesh!


Back atcha.


Mike'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''''''''''''''''''''
'''''*'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

The problem with shortwave listening is that there is not much left to
listen to.


Snip the usual crapola

that's a dismal but unfortunately probably realistic portrayal.



The guy a Trolling idiot. Ignore him. There are to many stations to keep
track of. Some stations come and go on the air.

You want to hear more buy the Eton E1.

You need portability buy the Sony 7600GR.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

ve3... December 30th 06 08:23 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 

wrote:
I can get bbc America on my DirecTV.I never tune in to that biassed
Stupid bbc tv channel though.Besides,that bbc woman on there is UGLY!
cuhulin

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """"""""""""""""""""""
bbc America is only a tiny slice of what is available on the bbc. They
have seven streams of live programs plus hundreds of archived programs.
They cover such areas as comedy, plays, classical music, literature,
pop music, documentaries, history, archeology and so forth. This range
of progams woule be impossible to provide on a one-channel shortwave
station


John Smith I December 30th 06 08:24 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
Telamon wrote:
...
You need portability buy the Sony 7600GR.


How about this one, just to toss in your luggage and have stolen at the
airport?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-ICF-SW07-Sh...QQcmdZViewItem

One long link, you make have to paste it together ...

Regards,
JS

Mike December 30th 06 08:39 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Yes, and once again, it's not shortwave.


It's entirely possible that the OP didn't realize he could listen to BBC
on
the net.


Well you've told him, and now you both can run along!


And you have told us that "it's not shortwave", so you can run along!

Mike


Mike December 30th 06 08:43 PM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
I have listen to it and it sounds like crap. I do not think I am alone
in thinking that listening to low bit rate audio is tiring on the ears.


It sounds better than any shortwave radio. 20K speech is not low bitrate
audio. Fading, static and interference on shortwave is tiring on the ears.

You must like all your pictures in low resolution too.


Only if it's a picture of you.

Mike


Telamon December 31st 06 04:06 AM

BBC Reception in Los Angeles
 
In article , "Mike"
wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
I have listen to it and it sounds like crap. I do not think I am alone
in thinking that listening to low bit rate audio is tiring on the ears.


It sounds better than any shortwave radio. 20K speech is not low bitrate
audio. Fading, static and interference on shortwave is tiring on the ears.


Sounds like crap compared to what I get with shortwave radio. You must
not know how to get decent reception or maybe you own a crappie radio
like the R75.

You must like all your pictures in low resolution too.


Only if it's a picture of you.


I have a picture of you in mind and it's not pretty.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


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