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Grundig G1
It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it
would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius |
Grundig G1
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote:
It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Anyone know why they're slapping the Grundig name on it? Is this just a sales ploy? It's great that they're stripping off the XM. |
Grundig G1
On Feb 15, 1:21 pm, "Steve" wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Anyone know why they're slapping the Grundig name on it? Is this just a sales ploy? Sales ploy??? All marketing decisions are ploys to make sales. It's great that they're stripping off the XM.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One possibility is that Eton will announce that the E1 is "upgraded" and sold with XM installed for the north america market and the G1 will be sold as the shortwave radio. The other possibility is Eton removes some features beyoind the XM plug from the E1 to make a stripped down G1. Given their tendency to announce but not deliver it's best to think of the G1 as vaportronics until a working radio is available for sale. |
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On Feb 15, 4:21�pm, "Steve" wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: *The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Anyone know why they're slapping the Grundig name on it? Is this just a sales ploy? It's great that they're stripping off the XM.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You, same cheap crap, as the Eaton **** E1 - made in China, not Germany, anymore. |
Grundig G1
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote:
It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Dear Junius, This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand) and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too. A "street price" of $399.00 would be good IF Etón can manufacture a high-quality set without the problems that have plagued the E1. We shall see. Best, Joe P.S. On Etón's web site, the price is listed as $500.00, the same as the E1. By the way, has anyone beside me noticed the "typo" in Etóns' ads in POPULAR COMMUNICATIONS and MONITORING TIMES where the price for the Grundig G5 is listed at $50.00 instead of $150.00? If only it were true ... |
Grundig G1
On Feb 15, 1:21 pm, "Steve" wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Anyone know why they're slapping the Grundig name on it? Is this just a sales ploy? It's great that they're stripping off the XM.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No idea why they're developing this habit of dual branding of various radio models sold in the US market (e.g. also the case with the E5 / G5). In Germany, the non-XM-capable E1 is sold under the Lextronix name (http://www.thiecom.de/shop1/index.html? target=WeltempfaengerLextronix.html); but that's another story altogether. |
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On Feb 15, 3:43 pm, wrote:
On Feb 15, 4:21?pm, "Steve" wrote: On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: ?The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Anyone know why they're slapping the Grundig name on it? Is this just a sales ploy? It's great that they're stripping off the XM.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You, same cheap crap, as the Eaton **** E1 - made in China, not Germany, anymore.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Made in India, actually. But we've gone through this more than once in this group. Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL) puts the E1 together. BEL, as in the Indian public sector defense firm. http://www.asdsource.com/source_deta...ited_-_BEL.htm http://defensenews.com/index.php?S=06top100 So, buy your E1/G1 and contribute to the profit that BEL turns over to the Gov't of India (and yes, BEL regularly turns over a profit to the GOI). http://pib.nic.in/release/rel_print_...sp?relid=21377 But, true, the Eton/Grundig/Lextronix E1/G1 is not made in Germany. Nor is it made in Portugal, as the Grundig Satellits 400, 500, 650, 700 were. By the way, can anyone in this group tell us which was the last shortwave radio that Grundig mass produced from production facilities in Germany? |
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On Feb 15, 4:22 pm, "Joe Analssandrini"
wrote: On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Dear Junius, This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand) and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too. A "street price" of $399.00 would be good IF Etón can manufacture a high-quality set without the problems that have plagued the E1. We shall see. Best, Joe P.S. On Etón's web site, the price is listed as $500.00, the same as the E1. By the way, has anyone beside me noticed the "typo" in Etóns' ads in POPULAR COMMUNICATIONS and MONITORING TIMES where the price for the Grundig G5 is listed at $50.00 instead of $150.00? If only it were true ...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hello Joe, Right you are on the Eton website pricing. It could be that the G1 offers nothing but the Grundig name and the lack of XM...all for the same $500 price! It's interesting that on Universal's website, the E5 and the G5 are both priced at $149.95, yet the Eton E5 comes with a free Grundig FR200 radio, whereas there's no such bonus with the G5! I suppose either way, you get the Grundig name; it's just a matter of whether you want it on the re-cabinet-ed Degen set or on the wind-up "emergency" radio... In any case, I personally feel that the "problems that have plagued the E1" are a bit over-hyped. Admittedly, the recall issue was something of a disaster for public perception of this product. But issues with the E1 are by no means in the realm of those that plagued the Satellit 800 (a radio which, incidentally, I find to be one of the most pleasant to listen to shortwave radios of all the sets I've owned). On the whole, however, the E1 is a stellar performer, particularly when compared with other portable shortwave receivers (for $500, though, one should expect that, right?). The +/- 0.04 or 0.05 kHz drift issue is really the only issue that folks seemed to have regularly noted with this set, from what I've seen. And really this is a pretty minor issue for most listeners. In fact, as I recall, Guy Atkins once posted a message in this group as to how to resolve this frequency offset issue. Also, as I recall, the E1 received some pretty decent praise from Mr. Atkins, who got some pretty impressive results using his E1 on one of his DXpeditions up there in Washington state. Indeed, I find the E1 ideal for these sorts of DXing excursions, where you want something with a fuller range of features than your average portable, but when you don't feel like lugging about a heavy DC power supply to power up a tabletop. To each his/her own, though. I realize that there are gripes on the price of the E1; and I'd like to see it come down, myself. Admittedly, I certainly didn't pay full retail for mine; I picked it up with one of the Sharper Image's 20% off discounts (and that's a pretty decent discount on a $500 radio, even if you do have to pay SI's outrageous S/ H fees!). As for what the story is on the G1, it's as you said, Joe: we shall see... All the best, Junius |
Grundig G1
On Feb 16, 12:44�am, "junius" wrote:
On Feb 15, 4:22 pm, "Joe Analssandrini" wrote: On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: *The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Dear Junius, This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand) and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too. A "street price" of $399.00 would be good IF Etón can manufacture a high-quality set without the problems that have plagued the E1. We shall see. Best, Joe P.S. On Etón's web site, the price is listed as $500.00, the same as the E1. By the way, has anyone beside me noticed the "typo" in Etóns' ads in POPULAR COMMUNICATIONS and MONITORING TIMES where the price for the Grundig G5 is listed at $50.00 instead of $150.00? If only it were true ...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hello Joe, Right you are on the Eton website pricing. *It could be that the G1 offers nothing but the Grundig name and the lack of XM...all for the same $500 price! It's interesting that on Universal's website, the E5 and the G5 are both priced at $149.95, yet the Eton E5 comes with a free Grundig FR200 radio, whereas there's no such bonus with the G5! I suppose either way, you get the Grundig name; it's just a matter of whether you want it on the re-cabinet-ed Degen set or on the wind-up "emergency" radio... In any case, I personally feel that the "problems that have plagued the E1" are a bit over-hyped. *Admittedly, the recall issue was something of a disaster for public perception of this product. But issues with the E1 are by no means in the realm of those that plagued the Satellit 800 (a radio which, incidentally, I find to be one of the most pleasant to listen to shortwave radios of all the sets I've owned). On the whole, however, the E1 is a stellar performer, particularly when compared with other portable shortwave receivers (for $500, though, one should expect that, right?). The +/- 0.04 or 0.05 kHz drift issue is really the only issue that folks seemed to have regularly noted with this set, from what I've seen. *And really this is a pretty minor issue for most listeners. In fact, as I recall, Guy Atkins once posted a message in this group as to how to resolve this frequency offset issue. Also, as I recall, the E1 received some pretty decent praise from Mr. Atkins, who got some pretty impressive results using his E1 on one of his DXpeditions up there in Washington state. Indeed, I find the E1 ideal for these sorts of DXing excursions, where you want something with a fuller range of features than your average portable, but when you don't feel like lugging about a heavy DC power supply to power up a tabletop. To each his/her own, though. *I realize that there are gripes on the price of the E1; and I'd like to see it come down, myself. Admittedly, I certainly didn't pay full retail for mine; I picked it up with one of the Sharper Image's 20% off discounts (and that's a pretty decent discount on a $500 radio, even if you do have to pay SI's outrageous S/ H fees!). As for what the story is on the G1, it's as you said, Joe: *we shall see... All the best, Junius- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Duck - the batteries blow up, when used with the AC adaptor - Chinese- made junk ! |
Grundig G1
So, buy your E1/G1 and contribute to the profit that BEL turns over to the Gov't of India (and yes, BEL regularly turns over a profit to the GOI). You are aware that US firms turn over a portion of their profit to the US Government, right? |
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On Feb 15, 1:21 pm, "Steve" wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Anyone know why they're slapping the Grundig name on it? Is this just a sales ploy? It's great that they're stripping off the XM.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Meanwhile, I've spent much of this weekend playing around with Ten- Tec's humble "black box" receiver, the RX320, available from Universal for $349.00. It's amazing what you get for the price. The software I'm currently using with it (RxPlus) gives me my choice from among 34 filter bandwidths, four VFOs, excellent dsp noise reduction, the ability to decode SSTV, RTTY, PSK and HF-FAX, three AGC speeds, extremely effective passband tuning, 1 hz tuning resolution...I could go on and on. Yes, these black boxes chain you to a computer, it's true. Yes, it unfortunately includes DRM capability if you get the right software. However, it's *American made* and the bang for the buck is impressive--a refreshing change of pace from the overpriced portables people inexplicably obsess over. And I guess one nice thing about these black boxes is that there's not as much to break or moving parts to wear out. My only real complaint about this receiver concerns its lack of synchronous detection, but my sense is that this could have a software solution down the line. I don't know. But even out of the box it's amazing what you get for the money. Eton schmeton. |
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On Feb 16, 9:34 pm, "Unrevealed Source"
wrote: So, buy your E1/G1 and contribute to the profit that BEL turns over to the Gov't of India (and yes, BEL regularly turns over a profit to the GOI). You are aware that US firms turn over a portion of their profit to the US Government, right? Right, bud. Maybe you missed what I was getting at there... Bharat Electronics is a Public Sector Undertaking of the Defence Production Department of India's Ministry of Defence. Note (to borrow from Wikipedia): "The public sector is the part of economic and administrative life that deals with the delivery of goods and services by and for the government" Today, there privately traded shares of Bharat Electronics on the Bombay Sensex; but, to be sure, the GOI is the dominant shareholder in this enterprise. The GOI holds some 75.9% of BEL shares. So, when I wrote of BEL turning over a profit to the GOI, I was referring to dividend payments (refer to the GOI Public Information Bureau released referenced). Contracts from India's Ministry of Defense by far constitute the bulk of Bharat Electronics' sales. Indeed, civilian sales and exports to foreign gov'ts account for only about 16% of Bharat Electronics' revenues. Hey, here in the US, we might have the Tobyhanna Army Depot, with all of the great work they carry out for CECOM; but the big production contracts for military communications go to private firms, such as ITT, Harris, Thales, General Dynamics, etc... |
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On Feb 17, 8:41 am, "Steve" wrote:
On Feb 15, 1:21 pm, "Steve" wrote: On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Anyone know why they're slapping the Grundig name on it? Is this just a sales ploy? It's great that they're stripping off the XM.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Meanwhile, I've spent much of this weekend playing around with Ten- Tec's humble "black box" receiver, the RX320, available from Universal for $349.00. It's amazing what you get for the price. The software I'm currently using with it (RxPlus) gives me my choice from among 34 filter bandwidths, four VFOs, excellent dsp noise reduction, the ability to decode SSTV, RTTY, PSK and HF-FAX, three AGC speeds, extremely effective passband tuning, 1 hz tuning resolution...I could go on and on. Yes, these black boxes chain you to a computer, it's true. Yes, it unfortunately includes DRM capability if you get the right software. However, it's *American made* and the bang for the buck is impressive--a refreshing change of pace from the overpriced portables people inexplicably obsess over. And I guess one nice thing about these black boxes is that there's not as much to break or moving parts to wear out. My only real complaint about this receiver concerns its lack of synchronous detection, but my sense is that this could have a software solution down the line. I don't know. But even out of the box it's amazing what you get for the money. Eton schmeton.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Interesting set the RX-320. I played around with one once, and I considered getting one for a time. The bandwidth flexibility is really a plus. Admittedly, though, I have a preference for all of the knobs and buttons and other things with which things can go wrong! Were I looking to get a computer controlled set, I'd definitely go for the RX-320. As I'm soon planning to go for the General class ticket, though, I'm thinking my next plunge will be for the IC-7000 (which, incidentally, offers a passband width range of 200Hz to 10kHz in 200Hz steps for AM mode...nice for those who enjoy BCB SWLing!). If Icom were to have added synchronous detection to this unit, it'd hands down be much more interesting than almost any of the recent offerings for SWLers in the HF-receiver market. |
Grundig G1
Joe Analssandrini wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Dear Junius, This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand) and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too. Don't count on it. E1 is 'XM' ready. That's not to say it's an XM radio. It requires an XM antenna and the outboard XM tuning module. Both optional extras at additional cost. The only thing the radio does to produce XM is address the outboard XM tuning module through the operating system. If the XM outboard tuning module is not connected, the XM functionality doesn't show up in the O/S. Removing XM capability requires little more than removing the connector for the outboard tuning module. |
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On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote:
It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius For what ever it is worth XM and Sirius issued the long expected announcement they will be merging. If this agreement eventually passes muster at Justice Dept., will the broadcast standards also be merged? Will one standard win out over the other or will yet a third one emerge? I don't know, but I would hold off buying into an XM configured G1 until this is resolved. |
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On Feb 20, 8:56 am, "Roadie" wrote:
For what ever it is worth XM and Sirius issued the long expected announcement they will be merging. If this agreement eventually passes muster at Justice Dept., will the broadcast standards also be merged? Will one standard win out over the other or will yet a third one emerge? I don't know, but I would hold off buying into an XM configured G1 until this is resolved. The business news about this has concentrated on the requirement for FCC approval and I've seen nothing about the technical aspects or details. Has anyone? The two different satellite-radio systems have differing technical specs, using different digital decoding and frequency ranges. How can these be "merged"? Wouldn't they have to abandon one set of satellites and go with the other alone? Or could there be dual-technology receivers that "hide" the different transmissions from the users and present them with a menu of the whole range of signals from both sources as if they were one? Has anyone yet built such a device? By the way, why does no one ever speak of "hacking" satellite radio in order to get the signals without paying the monthly fee? There's all sorts of such illegal activity for satellite TV and every now and then you read of the countermeasures used by the sat-TV companies and busts of suppliers of illegal decoder equipment, but I've never seen anything about the same activity regarding XM or Sirius. Is it impossible or is it just that nobody cares enough to do it? 73, Will |
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Will wrote:
The business news about this has concentrated on the requirement for FCC approval and I've seen nothing about the technical aspects or details. Has anyone? No, I doubt that any of the reporters care. The two different satellite-radio systems have differing technical specs, using different digital decoding and frequency ranges. How can these be "merged"? Wouldn't they have to abandon one set of satellites and go with the other alone? I have not seen the details but I assumed they would continue to operate their networks as long as they had customers who wanted them. What would merge was the back end, the programs, and the business offices. In the end there would be only one network with two delivery systems. Similar to broadcast television today. Low defintion TV broadcast over one channel and high def, but the same programs over another. Eventually they would decide on one technology. It might be one of the two they use, or it may be a newer technology that was not available when the current ones were launched. There are several ways of dealing with getting rid of the hardware they no longer wish to support, from simply discontinuing service, to offering free service or a discount to upgraders, (trade in your old receiver and get a year's free servivce or $50 off). They may at various times do different deals. Eventualy they will just drop the one they won't support. By the way, why does no one ever speak of "hacking" satellite radio in order to get the signals without paying the monthly fee? There's all sorts of such illegal activity for satellite TV and every now and then you read of the countermeasures used by the sat-TV companies and busts of suppliers of illegal decoder equipment, but I've never seen anything about the same activity regarding XM or Sirius. Is it impossible or is it just that nobody cares enough to do it? No one has advertised it. I'm not really sure it's worth it. The companies are too small in scope and customer base to make it worth doing for money. People who want to hear the programs just download them via the Internet (often illegaly). Besides the handfull of talk radio shows that are exclusive to the networks, is there anything really worth bothering? There are lots of other sources for the music. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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On Feb 21, 2:40 pm, "Will" wrote:
On Feb 20, 8:56 am, "Roadie" wrote: For what ever it is worth XM and Sirius issued the long expected announcement they will be merging. If this agreement eventually passes muster at Justice Dept., will the broadcast standards also be merged? Will one standard win out over the other or will yet a third one emerge? I don't know, but I would hold off buying into an XM configured G1 until this is resolved. The business news about this has concentrated on the requirement for FCC approval and I've seen nothing about the technical aspects or details. Has anyone? The two different satellite-radio systems have differing technical specs, using different digital decoding and frequency ranges. How can these be "merged"? Wouldn't they have to abandon one set of satellites and go with the other alone? Or could there be dual-technology receivers that "hide" the different transmissions from the users and present them with a menu of the whole range of signals from both sources as if they were one? Has anyone yet built such a device? I suspect that there will ultimately have to be a winner and loser as we saw in the VHS and Betamax wars 25 years ago or in the FM wars long ago. It makes no sense for one company to maintain and enhance two incompatible technologies broadcasting essentially the same information. There would have to be a transition period possibly mandated by the FCC, but ultimately many fancy satellite radios will have to become doorstops. By the way, why does no one ever speak of "hacking" satellite radio in order to get the signals without paying the monthly fee? There's all sorts of such illegal activity for satellite TV and every now and then you read of the countermeasures used by the sat-TV companies and busts of suppliers of illegal decoder equipment, but I've never seen anything about the same activity regarding XM or Sirius. Is it impossible or is it just that nobody cares enough to do it? Probably not impossible to hack, but likely a lot harder. And I wonder whether the result is really worth the effort. The real question is whether the merger of two companies companies that both hemmorage a lot of money will result in anything more than a bigger money pit. Both of them have rewarded their on-air talent handsomely, but subscriptions are not generating anything close to a break-even operation. Also consider they are competing against Ipod technology and existing free brodcast stations both of which media offer notable benefits over satellite based radio. 73, Will |
Grundig G1
On Feb 20, 3:43 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote: On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Dear Junius, This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand) and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too. Don't count on it. E1 is 'XM' ready. That's not to say it's an XM radio. It requires an XM antenna and the outboard XM tuning module. Both optional extras at additional cost. The only thing the radio does to produce XM is address the outboard XM tuning module through the operating system. If the XM outboard tuning module is not connected, the XM functionality doesn't show up in the O/S. Removing XM capability requires little more than removing the connector for the outboard tuning module.- Hide quoted text - One thing that is not clear from the G1's sales leaflet is whether it has synchronous detection like the E1. Does it? RK |
Grundig G1
rkhalona wrote: On Feb 20, 3:43 am, D Peter Maus wrote: Joe Analssandrini wrote: On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote: It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html Not available until late 2007. The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1 (which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95). RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007. http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm junius Dear Junius, This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand) and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too. Don't count on it. E1 is 'XM' ready. That's not to say it's an XM radio. It requires an XM antenna and the outboard XM tuning module. Both optional extras at additional cost. The only thing the radio does to produce XM is address the outboard XM tuning module through the operating system. If the XM outboard tuning module is not connected, the XM functionality doesn't show up in the O/S. Removing XM capability requires little more than removing the connector for the outboard tuning module.- Hide quoted text - One thing that is not clear from the G1's sales leaflet is whether it has synchronous detection like the E1. Does it? According to this: http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html it does, and is sideband selectable. dxAce Michigan USA |
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