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In article .com, "tack" wrote: On Feb 22, 5:18 pm, "tack" wrote: On Feb 22, 3:51 pm, wrote: I emailed a photo to tack1.That's all the photo(s) I will send. cuhulin That's cool. I'll check. Yes, I got the photo. She died too young. What kind of cancer? Moonlight Mile sent another diatribe. I did not read it, except for the first paragraph and the last. Too distressing for me to read the writings of fools and nuts. I will no longer read nor respond to him or David. David is unwise, but Mile is a nutjob. It would be well if you and DXace and all others ignore them; maybe they'll go away. I do not participate in these groups to find kooks, flakes, and haters. I took history in college, and enjoyed it. Made excellent grades. History is important, it should be studied carefully, but very rarely is. Something I noticed in American history is that the country should not be here. From the beginning and through every period of American history, we've overcome pitfall after pitfall, beat all the odds. The odds are overwhelming that we still exist, and exist with so much power. Like Paul Harvey said, we have only 5% of the worlds population, but half of all its good things. I firmly believe the hand of Providence is in it. There is so much that should've gone wrong; a benevolent first president that could have become king, but guided a young Republic. The first of Presidential elections went with a smooth transition of power (there was much enmity between parties involved) which never occurred before in history. And on and on and on. Something else I learned: Judge past historical players NOT by your own standards, or the present day standards. They must be judged by the standards of the period, and of their PEERS. When they lived, the future did not exist! No brainer, ha. Too easy to fall into the hindsight trap. The US had many faults and did some bad things, but the only proper way to judge her is by comparing her to other peoples and nations during the relevant periods. Hey, moron. I was asked to post again. I did so. I have a much more material. If you didn't have your head up your ass, you would bothered to read my post and realized that at least some of U.S. misdeeds are not at all in the distant past. And if you wanted to know even more about your "great" country and even more recent misdeeds. You must have no awareness of recent national and international events. The U.S. attacked Afghanistan w/o proper cause, killing not one person known to be directly connected with the 9/11 attacks. All reasons for attacking Iraq _again_ (March 20, 2003) have been discredited, and we're still there after nearly 4 years. The Iraqis are worse off now than they were under Saddam. We've imposed a puppet goverment there, built 4 permanent military bases there we are staying there permanently. Same thing in Afghanistan! We've tortured innocent people; we've wiretapped our own people. This is not hindsight! What the hell would be a relevant period if not the _present period_. Read the book I mentioned in an earlier posts--lots of good stuff, almost all reliably sourced. You got the balls to face the truth? Do you anything of current events?????? You and peqple like you should not be allowed to vote. I have no idea what Paul Harvey or you mean by "good things". If you mean wealth, then your point is specious at best. We actively prevent other countries from modernizing and acquiring wealth. I just have no idea what it takes to get through to people like you. You don't even bother to read when the material heads towards the painful truths. Doesn't matter, I guess. The U.S. is in for a very painful fall, soon if conservative Republicans regain full control. Here's some timeless wisdom for you: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." --? Like I said, what you believe or don't believe, doesn't matter. The realities I've described will not go away. Last, I'll point out that you failed to show the simple courtesy I requested in my previous post. I shouldn't have had to make that request...it's a USENET courtesy! MM |
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In article , Telamon wrote: In article , Moonlight Mile wrote: Snip all Another half wit posting insane political crap. Plonk Two suggestions: If you cannot refute what I've written, don't respond at all. Be very careful who you insult on USENET. If you can give me an address, I'd be happy to fly out to beat an apology out of you. MM |
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Moonlight Mile wrote: .. Sadly, U.S foreign policy is the problem, not terrorists. this is the type of idiocy racism breeds. moonlight, a racist to the core, can't believe arab muslims would invent a genocidal fascist ideology, so he places the blame on the US. he can't read. he doesn't know history. he's never heard of sayyid qutb, the muslim brotherhood, bin laden's 'letter to america', or any other document regarding the current situation. so he mouths the mindless trash that fills the empty heads of the far left. in another age he'd be an ermine garbed cardinal burning the witches. today he's got another fundie ideology to believe it. |
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In article m, "Cato" wrote: As a "dumbass Canuck" I just have a few things to say. Some people here seem to think that Communist countrys simply have a "different system of government and economics", as one poster has said. If you think that that is all it is, then maybe you should read "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. No nation's government has enslaved or murdered more of its own citizens then the former U.S.S.R., well, except for, perhaps, The People's Republic of China. No the U.S., and the rest of the western world aren't perfect. We get some jerky leaders sometimes. A lot of us take our freedom for granted, and because of that, we are slowly losing our freedom to gradual, creeping socialism of one sort or another. It's happening in Canada. We had more freedom forty or fifty years ago. It's also happening in the U.S., but they aren't as far along the road as we are. But if things keep going the way they are, we will all eventually lose all our freedom. But our western way of life is a hell of a lot better then anything in any Communist or Fascist, or Islamic country, or in any country that has some sort of totalitarianism. And although the U.S. has its problems and isn't perfect, it's a hell of a lot better then any of those dictatorial countrys. And none of the rest of us are perfect either. But hell, if it wasn't for the U.S., our countrys would all be Communist countrys controlled from Moscow a long time ago. And we would all be brainwashed slaves to our "comrade great leader", or slowly dieing in concentration camps, or already dead. So, for this, all freedom loving people in the world, owe the U.S. a huge "Thankyou". Oh yes, someone said that the U.S. dropped H bombs on Japan??? No, they didn't! Look it up. You seem well-informed...a pleasant surpise. Others here are not. "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." You are correct on the last point you have made. I was incorrect (i.e. wrong) on that point. On your other comments, I'd wouldn't comment w/o reading up on those country's histories, which I will soon be doing. I took a course in Russian history in college many years ago and remember so little. Still have the textbook. But you are wrong about the U.S.S.R and the U.S. There was never an International Communist Conspiracy committed to taking over the world...that myth was invented by the U.S. since we always need an enemy. Heard of PNAC???? Every time workers in the U.S. tried to unionize, they were accused for being communists and were simply crushed by our government when necessary. A declassified UK memo (1968) stated that the U.S.S.R. never intended a limited or general war with European nations and that the U.S.S.R. tried very hard to maintain open communications with the west. And I believe it was in the 1970's that the U.S.S.R. offered to dissolve the Warsaw Pact if NATO was dissolved. The U.S. flatly turned them down w/o any negotiations. I actually remember this happening and wondered "what the hell?". The Cold War was prolonged by the U.S. Even now the U.S., wants to put missiles in Poland, with Russia the obvious target. In addition, Bush signed in Oct. 2006 a "Space Policy" (_not_ a treaty), that states that the U.S. can use space for any purpose including militarization w/o any interference for any reason and that no other country enjoys that privilege. All this stuff can be Googled up. Nobody in the U.S. bothers to read newspapers or follow current events--the consequence is that people here are easily manipulated and cannot intelligently discuss anything. Once again, I say "read Blum's books". They are well documented. It's difficult to determine whether Stalin was paranoid or simply responding to the attempts by the west to overthrow him and destroy his country. I think probably both were factors in _his_ brutality. Similarly for China, the west was constantly trying to overthrow that government. Neither government knew who to trust. Bush trusts only his inner circle. Of Solzhenitsyn's books, I've read only "The First Circle". Currently, even young Russians debate whether a full democracy is right for their country...the have no history of democracy. China is becoming more "free" and "open". As my HS history teacher noted, it seemed likely that the U.S. would become more like the U.S.S.R or China and they would become more like us. I believe that to be true. It turns out that a Democracy can be corrupted just as badly as Communism, Fascism, Socialism, or whatever. That we are losing our freedoms is due not to a single political party or ideology. In the U.S. the Republicans hit us from one direction, Democrats from the other. The effect is the same...loss of freedom. All governments lie and all become corrupt. For brutality, read about Vlad The Impaler (i.e. Dracula or "Son of The Dragon), the real life person who was the model for Bram Stoker's "Drcula". Short, but very interesting read. At: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...d/index_1.html MM |
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Moonlight Mile wrote: The people who were the driving force behind the Revolutionary War ( you know, against the British ) were mostly wealthy white slave-owners well, let's see...i guess he doesn't know it was the portugese who started the slave trade in 1404...doesn't know european xtians held slaves since the time constantine made it the state religion... who thought that all men, except black men and any other ethnic group they chose to exclude, were equal. guess he doesn't know that in many european countries, women didn't get the right to vote until the 19th or 20th century...that black men were not freed from slavery until about 60 years before americans freed them in the US... Failure to repay such debts often resulted in imprisonment in debtor's prisons.'''' yes, and i suppose there were no debtor's prisons in europe...why...none at all. no injustice...no murderous french revolution. no religious wars...europe was always a peaceful bastion of equal rights for all... Manifest Destiny was America's policy for justifying the taking land that did not belong to us. and colonialism was the europeans' justification for doing exactly the same. American Indians were slaughtered has he ever heard of belgium? the massacres king leopold fostered in the congo? the centuries of racist colonialism that STILL has africa screwed up? no...he hasn't. to him, there was no evil at all until 1776. The majority of Mexicans believe that the Southwest Territories still _belong_ to Mexico. They are correct. Don't even get the idea that Mexicans and people of South America love the U.S. They hate us for what we've done to them (esp. after 1950). They come here because we control the wealth. ah, the cliches keep rolling. no one believes anyone loves the US, least of all racist far left ideologues like this idiot. he thinks only the US is evil...everyone else is perfect. Various skirmishes throughout the 1800s with the badly outnumbered and ill-equipped American Indians--we we quite happy to attack villages and kill very man, woman and child in an Indian village. and the massacre at amritsar? the occupation of the moluccan islands? of burma? of china? oh. he's never head of them. since they didn't involve the US, they must not have happened. . I have no doubt that I've missed many mini-wars, battles, skirmishes, etc. up until this point. BUT THE PATTERN HAS ALREADY EMERGED..the U.S. goes to war simply to get what it wants. Diplomacy is not an option. that's true. no other country in history ever went to war for greed...except america... what a remarkable discovery. WWI? I have no idea why we got involved he finally speaks the truth. Well WWII. We and our "allies", excepting Russia, stood by while Russia fought Nazi Germany mostly on its own. ROFLMAO!! the idiot doesn't even know that the UK was fighting germany years before germany invaded russia!! such is his grasp of history... Churchill said, more or less, less the Germans kill as many Russians as possible, let the Russians kill as many Germans as possible, but we can't let the Germans win. Eventually the western powers got dragged into WWII, but it took Pearl Harbor and the Japan/Germany alliance to get the interest of the U.S. Russia suffered as no other country. notice his glossing over history? his defense of the genocidal soviet regime that killed as many russians as the germans did? notice how he doesn't mention that? he weeps for the native americans and defends a regime that murdered as many people as the nazis, americans and european colonialists put together such is his understanding of history. At the end of WWII, the U.S. started fighting with _Japanese_ soldiers as allies [weren't we fighting against the Japanese in WWII] in China against Chinese Communists, ah, yes, the wonderful chinese communists. they murdered 50,000,000 chinese. but he's a racist so doesn't particularly regard the chinese as human. doesn't care that communism, like naziism, is a murderous genocidal ideology The Tokyo fire bombings were horrendous. so was harbin. so was nanking. but, you see, the japanese murdered chinese and did nazi like experiments on them. BUT, since the victims were chinese, he, being a racist, doesn't care. The short story is that the U.S. turned on our own allies after WWI and WII simply because they were Communist. the british were commies? really? and what of the germans and japanese...we occupied them and today they are among the richest democracies in the world he doesn't seem to know that, either. There system of government and economics were different from ours and we couldn't permit that. We started the Cold War. no...the martians did. i suggest he ask the poles, the czechs, the estonians what they thought of their wonderful soviet friends.... Undeclared wars ( the only kind ) after WWII, Korea, ah, yes, korea...the UN fought that one. but he thinks history began only in 1776... Viet Nam, Haiti, Grenada, Panama, Iraq I ( immediately after we told Iraq we had no interest in Arab-Arab conflicts--April Glaspie, James Baker ), ROFLMAO more racism. can't handle the idea that arabs could be as murderous as americans...the bigotry of low expectations... Afghanistan, guess he doesn't know afghanistan attacked us... Iraq II. Is Iran and/or North Korea next? Stay tuned! it's well past time for all the peoples of Afghanistan and Iraq, men, women and children to attack every possible American or coalition soldier. Many will die, but they will be rid of "the great satan", the cancer that infests this planet. one wonders why this hoary, cliche ridden sloth doesn't move to the paradise of saudi arabia. Look. I have a lot more material. You could find this information yourself. That you don't know any of this suggests that you are a lazy ****-ant who does not deserve the right to vote. says the racist hater of chinese, arabs and every other human on the planet. Religion=ignorance! Belief in God = Mental Disorder! The most religious developed country in the world beset by the highest incidence of social problems and here's proof of his bigotry. arab muslims are the most religious people on the planet yet he says zip about THEIR govts at all... Noriega (Panama) and Saddam (Iraq) met the same fate as any other of our allies who have outlived their usefulness and become ( too much of ) an embarrassment to the U.S. when's the last time we invaded canada? the UK? we liberated france, germany, belgium, japan, italy, and they are all democracies today. what a one sided view of history... Do your own research! Holy smokes! I've read other posts in this thread and it seems I'm amongst people much like me...anarchists! no...you're a fundamentalist. you have your religion...anti americanism. you have your fundamentalist belief...the US is always at fault. And in the rec.radio.shortwave NG. Bet you've all been listening to radio Havana--I do. yes, cuba is so free that millions have escaped from the place... |
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Moonlight Mile wrote: The U.S. attacked Afghanistan w/o proper cause, other than 3000 dead americans, i suppose... killing not one person known to be directly connected with the 9/11 attacks. we destroyed the taliban who supported, aided, abetted and conspired with those who did. those involved in a conspiracy are just as guilty as those who implement it....a basic fact of law... All reasons for attacking Iraq _again_ (March 20, 2003) have been discredited, and we're still there after nearly 4 years. The Iraqis are worse off now than they were under Saddam. We've imposed a puppet goverment ?? a govt elected by the people in elections monitored by the UN... oh i forgot. he hates arabs. I just have no idea what it takes to get through to people like you. you cant even get thru to yourself. it's no wonder you can't reach anyone else. |
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In article , David wrote: On 22 Feb 2007 12:01:08 -0800, "tack" wrote: ...instead of marching across Asia at the end of WWII, we assisted in rebuilding our former enemies' infrastructure... the QUALITY of the American people isn't the same in this generation as in that one... The Marshall Plan was very unpopular in this country. But it benefited the U.S. economy to do so, or we simply would not have done it. If the U.S. had lost 17 million people in WWII, we would have done as the Russians did after that war. Russia was just trying to rebuild themselves. But they tried to rebuild eastern Europe..the western powers (us) did everything we could to undercut the Russians and we used Nazis to do much of our dirty work. They suffered tremendous damage to their country in WWII. The U.S. sustained Pearl Harbor. The U.S. gets the 9/11 paper-cut and we go to war with two countries ( one for reasons known at the time to be lies ) and threatened at least two more. The U.S. does have plans to invade Korea and Iran. The U.S. has many illegal Mexicans here doing nothing but the hard work Americans won't do. They come here only to work. The U.S. starts building fences to keep them out. You should know that. What the hell will we do if we sucessfully keep people from Central and South America out?????? Now that I think about it, as I wrote before, Russia was busy fighting Germany on their own before the Germans started the western front. And it's a damn good thing the Russians _were_ fighting the Germans. The Allied Armies on the western front were inferior to the German Army in terms of equipment, training, morale, military strategy...in every battle where the odds were close to even, the Germans prevailed. Russia was also fighting Japan on their Eastern border as were the Chinese Communists. And the U.S. thumps their chest and claims to have won the war(s). No they didn't! As is typical of the U.S., we did as little as possible, make as few sacrifices as possible, declare victory, and go back to homes and a country untouched by war. Come up on current events if you want to even try to keep up with me. At least pay attention to what I've written. Then read some books. MM "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith |
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SNIP Oh yeah, the UN don't mean squat to me! Try again, boy. SNIP Of course not, you being a racist red neck and all! Hopefully, most of here have a passing acquaintance, at least, with a decent American and therefore recognise that "dxAce" is not typical and mostly not at all well. Most Americans and Canadians are decent human beings and their is no need for people like "dxAce" to be jealous of his northern neighbours. What he could do is spend some time healing himself. -- www.wymsey.co.uk |
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SNIP Based on these posts, my opinion is that you are ignorant, uninformed, and a bully. You missed out racist bigot :) Charlie. -- www.wymsey.co.uk |
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In article . com, "wf3h" wrote: Moonlight Mile wrote: . Sadly, U.S foreign policy is the problem, not terrorists. this is the type of idiocy racism breeds. moonlight, a racist to the core, can't believe arab muslims would invent a genocidal fascist ideology, so he places the blame on the US. he can't read. he doesn't know history. he's never heard of sayyid qutb, the muslim brotherhood, bin laden's 'letter to america', or any other document regarding the current situation. so he mouths the mindless trash that fills the empty heads of the far left. in another age he'd be an ermine garbed cardinal burning the witches. today he's got another fundie ideology to believe it. Thank you for your thoughful response. But I truly have no idea why you _I'm_ a rascist. Clearly you can either read or write and have no knowledge of history. How typically American! It would seem to me that _you_ are the racist--you blame Arab/Muslim people for the problems we've created for ourselves. It should be, but is apparently not, that I embrace no religious. I believe that, by definnition anyone who believes in god ( lower case god means _any_ god, not just the Christian God ) and/or has strong religious beliefs has a serious, but a usually curable mental disorder. Having exposed your ignorance, it's best that you not post in response to any other post in any NG at any time. Lock your door and hide from the facts! MM |
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charlie wrote: dxAce wrote: SNIP Oh yeah, the UN don't mean squat to me! Try again, boy. SNIP Of course not, you being a racist red neck and all! Hopefully, most of here have a passing acquaintance, at least, with a decent American and therefore recognise that "dxAce" is not typical and mostly not at all well. Most Americans and Canadians are decent human beings and their is no need for people like "dxAce" to be jealous of his northern neighbours. What he could do is spend some time healing himself. Jealous? |
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Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the
United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China. After promising that free elections would be held in Easter Europe at Yalta, Stalin went ahead and broke his promise. Typical Communism at work. He also promised that free elections would be held in North Korea. We all know what happened there. Then we had the Hungarian Revolt of '56, followed by the Prague Spring of '68. "Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains." Well, chains is exactly what they end up with. If they get caught complaining about their government, or even worse criticizing the "Great Leader", they disappear into the penal system. I like being able to complain about my government. I like being able to call my Prime Minister a jerk and an idiot. I like the opportunity to vote for something and someone different if I so choose. And no one is going to come and arrest me. Anyone ever give any thought to Tibet? What happened there? I suppose that the Tibetans "invited" the red Chinese to invade their country to "get rid of Western infection". Ya, right... These communists sometimes even fight each other. Look at the border conflicts of the past between the Soviet Union and China. The little war between Communist China and Communist Vietnam. These systems, Fascism, Communism, Theocracy, (such as ther Islamic states) Absolute Monarchys, and other forms of totalitarian dictatorships, rob people of control over their own lives. They have no respect for the rights and responsibilities of individuals. The spirit of freedom, liberty, and individualism is crushed by these forms of government, and the controling power-mad dictators that sit at the top of the "Party". And these systems are the greatest murderers in the history of the world. Almost all the wars in modern times have also been started by them. The saddest thing is... that the seeds that create these systems exist in our own western governments. If we are not vigilant, we could end up with one of these types of government. We are headed that way. Anyone who says that "It can't happen here" is no student of history. Now, I would like to copy here, a Tribute to America written by a Canadian, Gordon Sinclair back in June of 1973. The piece might be out of date, but the spirit of the piece will never be out of date. It expresses my feelings as well. The following, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. Its subject is America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon-not once, but several times, and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! |
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Cato wrote:
Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China. You may not have noticed, but we ARE on the border of Russia. Can you still easily guess just how things would have been? Exactly as they are now. mike |
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charlie wrote: dxAce wrote: SNIP Oh yeah, the UN don't mean squat to me! Try again, boy. SNIP Of course not, you being a racist red neck and all! Hopefully, most of here have a passing acquaintance, at least, with a decent American and therefore recognise that "dxAce" is not typical and mostly not at all well. Most Americans and Canadians are decent human beings and their is no need for people like "dxAce" to be jealous of his northern neighbours. What he could do is spend some time healing himself. Jealous? Jealousy is often a symptom of the untypical, unhealed and unwell. I was certain that you'd be at least well after your last big insurance settlement. mike |
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On Feb 24, 8:14 pm, m II wrote:
Cato wrote: Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China. You may not have noticed, but we ARE on the border of Russia. Can you still easily guess just how things would have been? Exactly as they are now. mike Really??? We are on the border of Russia??? Nope, I never noticed. Canada shares land borders with the United States to the northwest and south, and maritime claims bordering Denmark through Greenland as well as France through the French possessions of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, to the northeast and southeast respectively. Canada borders Alaska on the north-west, and the rest of the continental United States on the south. Canada faces the Arctic Ocean to the north, the Atlantic Ocean on the east, and the Pacific Ocean to the west. Seems to me that we have the Arctic Ocean and icecap in the way. A pretty cold and desolate area of the world. A bit of difficulty there, it seems. You know exactly what I mean. If you can't figure it out, then go back to school. I can easily drive my car to the U.S. Take a look at a map of the world sometime. If we are on the border of Russia, then explain to me whereabouts on border of Canada you can drive to Russia in a matter of a few minutes. We have areas on the U.S./Canadian border where the clubhouse of a golf course is in one country, and the pro shop in the other, (New Brunswick/Maine) Places where the border runs right through the middle of a hotel bar, Places where crossing the border is on a coupple minutes drive across a river, (Niagara River, Detroit River), or simply stopping at Customs on the road as you drive along. etc. etc. Geography and history are two of my big interests, so if there is some information that I am missing regarding Canada sharing a border with Russia the way it shares a border with the U.S., then please fill me in. I'm all ears, so to speak, and willing to listen to what you have to say. Your turn Mike..... |
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I remember watching Kruschev (live on tv) pounding his shoe on that
podium,saying,We will bury you! Russia can't even keep their birth rate up enough to replace the people who are dying off over there. cuhulin |
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On Feb 24, 8:14 pm, m II wrote: Cato wrote: Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China. You may not have noticed, but we ARE on the border of Russia. Can you still easily guess just how things would have been? Exactly as they are now. mike Really??? We are on the border of Russia??? Nope, I never noticed. Canada shares land borders with the United States to the northwest and south, and maritime claims bordering Denmark through Greenland as well as France through the French possessions of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, to the northeast and southeast respectively. Canada borders Alaska on the north-west, and the rest of the continental United States on the south. Canada faces the Arctic Ocean to the north, the Atlantic Ocean on the east, and the Pacific Ocean to the west. Seems to me that we have the Arctic Ocean and icecap in the way. A pretty cold and desolate area of the world. A bit of difficulty there, it seems. You know exactly what I mean. If you can't figure it out, then go back to school. I can easily drive my car to the U.S. Take a look at a map of the world sometime. If we are on the border of Russia, then explain to me whereabouts on border of Canada you can drive to Russia in a matter of a few minutes. We have areas on the U.S./Canadian border where the clubhouse of a golf course is in one country, and the pro shop in the other, (New Brunswick/Maine) Places where the border runs right through the middle of a hotel bar, Places where crossing the border is on a coupple minutes drive across a river, (Niagara River, Detroit River), or simply stopping at Customs on the road as you drive along. etc. etc. Geography and history are two of my big interests, so if there is some information that I am missing regarding Canada sharing a border with Russia the way it shares a border with the U.S., then please fill me in. I'm all ears, so to speak, and willing to listen to what you have to say. Your turn Mike..... Both countries claim ownership of the globe up to the pole. I don't believe we were discussing a particular TYPE of border. In the general scheme of things people will fight over an area the size of an ice cube if it's in on a disputed border area. A neighbour is still a neighbour, whether they're across the alley or beside you. mike |
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... Your turn Mike..... I never realized cannoks can't read a map. JS |
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Moonlight Mile wrote: X-No-Archive: In article . com, "wf3h" wrote: this is the type of idiocy racism breeds. moonlight, a racist to the core, can't believe arab muslims would invent a genocidal fascist ideology, so he places the blame on the US. Thank you for your thoughful response. But I truly have no idea why you _I'm_ a rascist ever hear of the bigotry of low expectations? you refuse to acknowledge the inherent fascism of islam. you simply can't believe the dune coons could be intelligent enough to invent such an idea. you're a racist. .. Clearly you can either read or write and have no knowledge of history. How typically American! It would seem to me that _you_ are the racist--you blame Arab/Muslim people for the problems we've created for ourselves. proof we created these problems?? why...none. none at all. arab invasions of europe were taking place before the US even existed. seems you don't know that. isabella and ferdinand expelled the muslims (and the jews) from spain in 1492...a year with other ramifications... It should be, but is apparently not, that I embrace no religious. fundamentalism comes in many forms. america hatred is one. Having exposed your ignorance, it's best that you not post in response to any other post in any NG at any time. Lock your door and hide from the facts! says the inveterate racist....let me know if you run out of bed sheets... |
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I have buku maps here.You can get in a car and drive from Alaska through
Canada and way on down through North Ameica and all the way on down to Argentina.I think. cuhulin |
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On Feb 24, 9:27 pm, John Smith wrote:
Cato wrote: ... Your turn Mike..... I never realized cannoks can't read a map. JS Refering to what??? |
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Why should the US be concerned about Canada? They own it all anyway.
The forest, mines, manufactures, real estate, retailing. There are very few Canadian businesses left. As long as they behave themselves, Canadian politicians will be allowed to run their little US franchise operation and do what they are told by the big boys. Of course, the US is in the same position: check out who owns the commanding heights of US business. Don't let agent provocateurs stir up quarrels between Canadians and Americans: they have much more in common than to fall for that trick. |
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On Feb 24, 9:24 pm, m II wrote:
Cato wrote: On Feb 24, 8:14 pm, m II wrote: Cato wrote: Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China. You may not have noticed, but we ARE on the border of Russia. Can you still easily guess just how things would have been? Exactly as they are now. mike Both countries claim ownership of the globe up to the pole. I don't believe we were discussing a particular TYPE of border. In the general scheme of things people will fight over an area the size of an ice cube if it's in on a disputed border area. A neighbour is still a neighbour, whether they're across the alley or beside you. mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hello Mike: And then sometime in the future European countries and North American countries might try to claim the Atlantic Ocean all the way to the Mid- Atlantic Ridge. So then we would share borders with Ireland and Portugal etc. Countries can make any claims that they want. Doesn't mean that their claims are valid. That can only be detemined by negotiation in an international setting. The fact remains, Russia is on the other side of the Arctic Ocean. Canada does not share a border with Russia. Territorial water extend to 12 miles from mean low water mark next to land. Exclusive Economic Zone can extend to 200 miles. Anything beyond that is International Waters. Especially beyond the continental shelf. This is determined by international global agreements. The UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf in accordance with the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea has not, to this point ruled in favour of anyones claims to the area of the North Pole beyond anyone's continental shelf. The Russians tried to make a claim beyond their continental shelf for a huge area that includes the North Pole itself, but they have received no answer beyond a statement that recommends additional research into the subject. Canada claims the waters around and between their islands in the Arctic. In any case, anyone who thinks that Canada shares a border with Russia in any normal understanding of the term "Border" is badly mistaken. Canada shares a border with Russia about as much as Canada shares a border with Scotland. Let's not try and argue about anyone's supposed claim to the Arctic Ocean up to the North Pole. At this point in history no one has a valid legal claim to the North Pole that would be accepted by the international community. I suppose that there is a possibility that the situation could change in the future. But then which way would the decision go? In whose favour? No one knows at this point. Let's go back to what I was trying to say... If Canada shared a border with China or Russia (the former Soviet Union), for the past one hindred years, (a "Land Border" for those who have difficulty understanding), things would have been much different for Canada. Just look at what any country that borders (Land Border), on Russia has gone through in the last one hundred years. Damn glad we share our border with the U.S. Back to you Mike..... |
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Still have the pool?
"dxAce" wrote in message ... RHF wrote: On Feb 24, 8:14 pm, m II wrote: Cato wrote: Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China. You may not have noticed, but we ARE on the border of Russia. Can you still easily guess just how things would have been? Exactly as they are now. mike M II - Borders ? ? ? HAaaaaaaaa ! Actually Canada is Fly-over-Country for the USofA and Russia; and most likely China and North Korea too. What Is ? Fly-Over-Country - Yes most of the ICBMs will be Flying Over Canada - - - Be Sure To Wave - Bye Bye ! In years past (maybe still) that was certainly one of CanaDuh's big worries. Those ICBM's would be intercepted over CanaDuh and bloooooie! More of a wasteland than it already is. |
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And if you are in the Detroit area and you want to drive to Canada,you
have to go South to go North. cuhulin |
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m II wrote:
SNIP Jealous? SNIP Jealous of what? You? Good grief man get a grip! Being of ancient British peasant stock I have no need to denigrate other people in order to feel human. That and the successful therapy :) -- www.wymsey.co.uk |
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I am not the slightest bit jealous of anybody at all.
cuhulin |
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On Feb 25, 10:22 am, wrote:
And if you are in the Detroit area and you want to drive to Canada,you have to go South to go North. cuhulin """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """"""""""""""""""""" There are two other places on the border where you have to go north to go south. What are they? |
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Miami and El Paso?
cuhulin |
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On Feb 25, 12:20 pm, wrote:
Miami and El Paso? cuhulin """""""""""""""""""""" Nope |
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So,how how about that Toronto snow?
cuhulin |
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On Feb 25, 3:22 pm, wrote:
So,how how about that Toronto snow? cuhulin """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" "" W'ere too far north. It is sunny and clear here temp 32. Puzzle answers: (1) The Northwest Angle. This is a piece of Minnesota that is cut off from the US. It is a peninsula that juts into the Lake of the Woods in Ontario. You have to drive north in Manitoba and then turn south to get into the Angle. (2) Point Roberts, Washington This is the south part of a peninsula that juts into Boundary Bay south of Vancouver. You have to cross the border at Blaine, Wash. and drive north through British Columbia and then west and then south to get there. It is about 30 miles, as I recall, by road and school busses do it twice a day. |
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In article om, "wf3h" wrote: Moonlight Mile wrote: The U.S. attacked Afghanistan w/o proper cause, other than 3000 dead americans, i suppose... Afghanistan did not kill those 3000 people. Terrorists, who had _some_ association with al Qaeda did that. killing not one person known to be directly connected with the 9/11 attacks. we destroyed the taliban who supported, aided, abetted and conspired with those who did. those involved in a conspiracy are just as guilty as those who implement it....a basic fact of law... There is no evidence that the Taliban aided, abetted, and conspired with the 9/11 terrorists. The terrorists were Egyptian. Trained by Al Qaeda? Maybe? To do what? Not known with certainty. The U.S. assumed ( unequivocally asserted ) that the training was to hijack airplanes. What al Qaeda/bin Laden has clearly stated is that the U.S. stop supporting oppressive regimes in the Middle East and in other Muslim countries. It may seem paradoxical, but if these "pro-American"/ unpopular regimes were overthrown or voted out of office, not much would change except the U.S. would probably no longer be attacked by so-called extremists. Muslim nations would have every reason to make peace with us, trade with us (oil). The problem is that we would be unable to control and dominate them. Afghanistan was being bombed by the U.S. in the 1990s. 9/11 was not an unprovoked attack. It is probably true that 9/11 was a convenient excuse to invade and control Afghanistan so that we could build and control pipelines to transport oil and gas from the east side of the Caspian Sea, pipelines planned to run through Afghanistan. It is also true that Iraq was attacked so we could control their resources, build pipelines through Iraq. The neo-conservatives never dreamed that the price would be so high in American lives or $. An Afghan or Iraqi life is not worth anything to a neo-conservative. It seems that the U.N.'s approval is not very important anymore. When denied it, the U.S. claims the right to attack anyone, anytime, for any reason. When the U.N. Security Council members are bullied and bribed into approval, the hides behind that. Case in point: Iran _does_ absolutely have the right to enich uranium for peaceful purposes. The U.S. claims Iran is doing so to make nuclear weapons, but the U.S. has absolutely no proof that Iran is planning to build nuclear weapons. Still, U.N. S.C members are bullied/bribed into passing resolutions to impose sanctions on Iran. No proof is required. The U.S. is simply not required to provide proof. All reasons for attacking Iraq _again_ (March 20, 2003) have been discredited, and we're still there after nearly 4 years. The Iraqis are worse off now than they were under Saddam. We've imposed a puppet goverment ?? a govt elected by the people in elections monitored by the UN... The election was contrived and staged by the U.S. Only those having the American "seal of approval" could play the game. In short, Jalal Talabani was hand-picked by the U.S. Do you really think the Iraqis would have elected a Kurd as President? Compare Iraq to Nicaragua whose is President now President Daniel Ortega. Ortega would probably have been elected as President of Nicaragua way back in the 1980s if The U.S., under our second most recently mentally ill (the only qualification required to be nominated as Republican Presidential candidate is that he be mentally ill) Republican President (Ronald Wilson Reagon =666) waged a civil war which against Ortega/Nicaragua and the people fully understood that that civil war would continue if they (fairly/U.N monitored) elected Ortega. So the U.S. has a long, unpleasant history of imposing governments, that the people don't want, on other countries. oh i forgot. he hates arabs. I hate no one. I distrust my government and have no faith in the "wisdom" of the American people. They elected Reagon twice, Bush twice. I got some land in FL... Case closed! I just have no idea what it takes to get through to people like you. you cant even get thru to yourself. it's no wonder you can't reach anyone else. Insult me if you must. But read Blum's "Rogue State:" A Guide..." At this point, pardon me if I do what I came to this NG to do...i.e. learn more about SW. MM "Insults, like violence, are the last resort of the incompetent."--Freud ( I think ) |
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In article . com, "wf3h" wrote: Moonlight Mile wrote: X-No-Archive: In article . com, "wf3h" wrote: this is the type of idiocy racism breeds. moonlight, a racist to the core, can't believe arab muslims would invent a genocidal fascist ideology, so he places the blame on the US. Thank you for your thoughful response. But I truly have no idea why you _I'm_ a rascist ever hear of the bigotry of low expectations? you refuse to acknowledge the inherent fascism of islam. you simply can't believe the dune coons could be intelligent enough to invent such an idea. Or the bigotry of unrealistic, high expectations? Now, use of the term "dune coons", especially in the context you use it, _is_ rascist. You are white, middle or upper-middle class, probably have not read a variety of opinions, talk only to people you already agree with. You learn more by talking to people you disagree with, if they are reasoned in their thinking. Now, Bush and the neo-cons, and possibly you, _are_ fascists, defined as: (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice. you're a racist. How so? Because I'm open to other people's points of view and do not accept the status quo? . Clearly you can either read or write and have no knowledge of history. How typically American! It would seem to me that _you_ are the racist--you blame Arab/Muslim people for the problems we've created for ourselves. proof we created these problems?? I've provided the title of a very good reference book by William Blum. That's a start. Read it critically, but be open to what Blum writes. why...none. none at all. arab invasions of europe were taking place before the US even existed. seems you don't know that. isabella and ferdinand expelled the muslims (and the jews) from spain in 1492...a year with other ramifications... The invasions went both ways. I seem to remember something about some "crusades" or something like that. It should be, but is apparently not, that I embrace no religious. fundamentalism comes in many forms. america hatred is one. A second, more dangerous form of fundamentalism, is the "America Right Or Wrong" attitude that so many Americns have. We are now, as at no other time in U.S. history, a "lumbering, bellicose, dimwitted giant." It _is_ true that the U.S. had engendered much good will towards us during WWII---we immediately began squandering that good will through unwanted foreign interventions. American hubris and jingoism will be our downfall as we're beginning to see now. I don't hate America. But, I refuse to accept America as it is. We're headed in a very immoral (I hate to use that word) and dangerous direction. It's neo-cons and PNAC that are taking us there. Please! Read about PNAC. Just Google on "PNAC", click on the links provided and read. Having exposed your ignorance, it's best that you not post in response to any other post in any NG at any time. Lock your door and hide from the facts! says the inveterate racist....let me know if you run out of bed sheets... I'm not going to insult you in the childish manner you've insulted me. I'll note that you claim to see in me what you, in fact, recognize and dislike in yourself. We're almost certainly going to lose, not just in Iraq, but in Afghanistan. We've already lost the hearts and minds of those peoples. Our "coalition of the willing" is becoming less willing. Now, respond if you must. But I'm going to do what I came to do in this NG...read and learn more about SW. Nice corresponding with you, MM |
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Moonlight Mile wrote: X-No-Archive: In article . com, "wf3h" wrote: ever hear of the bigotry of low expectations? you refuse to acknowledge the inherent fascism of islam. you simply can't believe the dune coons could be intelligent enough to invent such an idea. Or the bigotry of unrealistic, high expectations? how about the reality of EQUAL expectations? that concept seems to be alien to your fundamentalist way of thinking. Now, use of the term "dune coons", especially in the context you use it, _is_ rascist. absolutely. it's the way you think. i just leave the dead cats on the doorstep. You are white, middle or upper-middle class now let me see...son of a pittsburgh steel worker...laid off 3 times in last 5 years as semiconductor industry collapsed IOW you've more more cliches than brains, which helps to explain the way you (don't) think. , probably have not read a variety of opinions, talk only to people you already agree with. You learn more by talking to people you disagree with, if they are reasoned in their thinking. says the guy who's never read anything but noam chomsky. says the guy who mouths every left wing cliche as if they were engraved on tablets from mt sinai... Now, Bush and the neo-cons, and possibly you, _are_ fascists, defined as: (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice. chuckle i haven't voted republican since i voted for john anderson against ronald reagan. but, as you try to warp your befuddled brain around concepts that require independent thinking, i smell the burning rubber... you're a racist. How so? Because I'm open to other people's points of view and do not accept the status quo? what 'other' people? you've never read qutb. you've never read azzam. you don't know the history of the kharijites or the wahabis or the salafis. you speak from an exclusively far left, white, western point of view. you're a prime example of what said called an 'orientalist'... oh. you don't know who said was. pity. you also regurgitate the tired cliches of baran and wallerstein...but i'm sure you don't know them, either. for an update, try tariq ramadan. he's as stullifed and cliche ridden as you are, but he's more articulate. . Clearly you can either read or write and have no knowledge of history. How typically American! It would seem to me that _you_ are the racist--you blame Arab/Muslim people for the problems we've created for ourselves. proof we created these problems?? I've provided the title of a very good reference book by William Blum. That's a start. Read it critically, but be open to what Blum writes. i suggest YOU start with qutb and ramadan. see how little of your own book of cliches actually belongs to you. why...none. none at all. arab invasions of europe were taking place before the US even existed. seems you don't know that. isabella and ferdinand expelled the muslims (and the jews) from spain in 1492...a year with other ramifications... The invasions went both ways. I seem to remember something about some "crusades" or something like that. ever read bernard lewis? no? pity, that. the crusades were not a major event at the time they happened to most arabs. they aren't mentioned in most documents from the time. they were ignored, being a minor penetration of a vast empire. that hardly compares to the muslim invasion of austria in 1683 when they damn near destroyed vienna but at least you're finally starting to admit that OTHER people besides americans can misbehave. there's hope for you yet. It should be, but is apparently not, that I embrace no religious. fundamentalism comes in many forms. america hatred is one. A second, more dangerous form of fundamentalism, is the "America Right Or Wrong" attitude that so many Americns have. irrelevant. which is 'more' dangerous is irrelevant to the fact that BOTH are wrong. We are now, as at no other time in U.S. history, a "lumbering, bellicose, dimwitted giant." and the cliches reach a tidal wave...a tsunami of incoherence... It _is_ true that the U.S. had engendered much good will towards us during WWII---we immediately began squandering that good will through unwanted foreign interventions. as opposed to islamist fascist aggression in afghanistan...soviet imperialist aggression in afghanistan and korea...UK intervention in the suez resulting in US intervention to force the UK to withdraw IOW you have ignored about 90% of history in favor of 1 idea that you think explains everything that's fundamentalism American hubris and jingoism will be our downfall as we're beginning to see now. I don't hate America. But, I refuse to accept America as it is. We're headed in a very immoral (I hate to use that word) and dangerous direction. It's neo-cons and PNAC that are taking us there. Please! Read about PNAC. Just Google on "PNAC", click on the links provided and read. why not try reading about the 'council on national policy'...a group that truly DOES practice behind the scenes politics. you take CURRENT policy and try to project it into the past as if this were ALWAYS the case. it simply isn't. as i said, you have 1 idea. america is evil. so you think it's ALWAYS been evil and is UNIQUELY evil. no other country before or since has been evil. and that is wrong. wrong, wrong, wrong. says the inveterate racist....let me know if you run out of bed sheets... I'm not going to insult you in the childish manner you've insulted me. I'll note that you claim to see in me what you, in fact, recognize and dislike in yourself. sorry, sport. if you're a racist, as you are, then i'm gonna call you on it. you're as much a racist as any s. baptist who believed that the white man's burden was god's destiny for the west. you believe in the white man's burden in your own way. if we DO lose in afghanistan it will be because of the degeneracy of islam, not the problems of the US. |
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Moonlight Mile wrote: X-No-Archive: In article om, "wf3h" wrote: The U.S. attacked Afghanistan w/o proper cause, other than 3000 dead americans, i suppose... Afghanistan did not kill those 3000 people. Terrorists, who had _some_ association with al Qaeda did that. ah, the racist rigidity of the fundamentalist mind. he believes that the nation state is the only way to judge historical events, not realizing that the nation state was invented in 1648. uh, where do you think AQ was based (by the way...do you KNOW what 'al qaeda' means?). so, yes, afghanistan did attack us. killing not one person known to be directly connected with the 9/11 attacks. we destroyed the taliban who supported, aided, abetted and conspired with those who did. those involved in a conspiracy are just as guilty as those who implement it....a basic fact of law... There is no evidence that the Taliban aided, abetted, and conspired with the 9/11 terrorists. other than, of course, AQ was based in afghanistan and bin laden knew of, and approved the plan which was formulated by sheikh khalid mohammed...also AQ... The terrorists were Egyptian. uh, no. 15/19 were saudi arabians. Trained by Al Qaeda? Maybe? To do what? Not known with certainty. The U.S. assumed ( unequivocally asserted ) that the training was to hijack airplanes. guess he's never read about the flight school training the terrorists took... What al Qaeda/bin Laden has clearly stated is that the U.S. stop supporting oppressive regimes in the Middle East is there any other kind? and what is 'support'? we had no relations with libya yet they were as murderous as any. we had no relations with the sudan yet they caused a civil war which killed 300,000. the french had $10B in oil contracts with hussein... yet you think ONLY the US 'supports' (sic) these regimes. and bin laden's remedy? why...islamist fascism...a goal you have NEVER condemned. why? because you're a racist. that's why. and in other Muslim countries. It may seem paradoxical, but if these "pro-American"/ unpopular regimes were overthrown or voted out of office, not much would change except the U.S. would probably no longer be attacked by so-called extremists. more racist day dreams. if you READ qutb or azzam you KNOW they've been planning to attack the west for 60 years. but, no. you prefer the white man's burden. you prefer to think of yourself heroically standing astride history, defending the ignorant savage muslims....who are too stupid to invent fascist ideologies. Muslim nations would have every reason to make peace with us uh, why? why do you think that, because this is YOUR belief it's also THEIRS? where have they believed in peace? in democratic bangladesh where they've called for jihad against a democracy? in india where they do the same? WHERE is your evidence for your cult belief? , trade with us (oil). The problem is that we would be unable to control and dominate them. Afghanistan was being bombed by the U.S. in the 1990s. and we helped liberate them from soviet imperialist aggression... 9/11 was not an unprovoked attack. It is probably true that 9/11 was a convenient excuse to invade and control Afghanistan so that we could build and control pipelines to transport oil and gas from the east side of the Caspian Sea jesus...is there ANY cliche that you won't vomit? i guess you didn't know the taliban visited the US in 1994 to discuss a pipeline...long BEFORE the war. and it's been 5 years since we liberated afghanistan and there's no pipeline. you seem to ignore the evidence in favor of cliche of the moment. , pipelines planned to run through Afghanistan. It is also true that Iraq was attacked so we could control their resources, build pipelines through Iraq. well let's see. we've spent $300B to get oil worth a few billion that we can't extract for 25 years. yes, i can see you know as little about math as you do about history. It seems that the U.N.'s approval is not very important anymore. except, of course, the taliban killed the UN high commissioner in iraq... When denied it, the U.S. claims the right to attack anyone, anytime, for any reason. When the U.N. Security Council members are bullied and bribed into approval, the hides behind that. Case in point: Iran _does_ absolutely have the right to enich uranium for peaceful purposes. gee. al baradei seems to think they're hiding things...why didn't the iranians tell him about the enrichment facility at natanz? i'm a physical chemist and can tell you that was, to put it mildly, a significant oversite. The U.S. claims Iran is doing so to make nuclear weapons, but the U.S. has absolutely no proof that Iran is planning to build nuclear weapons. Still, U.N. S.C members are bullied/bribed into passing resolutions to impose sanctions on Iran. No proof is required. The U.S. is simply not required to provide proof. other than the fact that, as the IAEA has stated, the iranians have lied. oh...incidentally...if the UN is such a US puppet, how many UN troops are in iraq? precisely zero. none. so, again, your point is squarely on top of your head. All reasons for attacking Iraq _again_ (March 20, 2003) have been discredited, and we're still there after nearly 4 years. The Iraqis are worse off now than they were under Saddam. We've imposed a puppet goverment ?? a govt elected by the people in elections monitored by the UN... The election was contrived and staged by the U.S the UN didn't think so. in fact, no one but you believes that. .. Only those having the American "seal of approval" could play the game. In short, Jalal Talabani was hand-picked by the U.S. Do you really think the Iraqis would have elected a Kurd as President? who would they have elected? arab islamic ideology forbids democracy, let alone nationalism Compare Iraq to Nicaragua irrelevant. .. So the U.S. has a long, unpleasant history of imposing governments, that the people don't want, on other countries. perhaps you'd prefer we hand germany back to the nazis? the japanese back to the 'bushido' culture? that what you're advocating? or afghanistan to the islamist fascists? oh i forgot. he hates arabs. I hate no one. I distrust my government and have no faith in the "wisdom" of the American people. They elected Reagon twice, Bush twice. I got some land in FL... Case closed! and muslims have done what with their first democracy in the middle east? murdered 40,000 of their own people. but you ignore that...because you don't particularly care about arabs, or what drives islamist ideology. you can't conceive of anything that isn't related to the 'white mans burden'. I just have no idea what it takes to get through to people like you. you cant even get thru to yourself. it's no wonder you can't reach anyone else. Insult me if you must. But read Blum's "Rogue State:" A Guide..." and YOU should read arab writers instead of white western ones. you're a prime example of what said called an 'orientalist'. |
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