Joe Analssandrini wrote:

On Mar 2, 10:14 am, dxAce wrote:

And meanwhile, we sit and wait patiently for the new K + D offering...

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Dear "dxAce,"

Keep your eye on AOR-UK as well. It is possible, but only possible,
that they may be introducing a new DSP receiver within the next year
or so according to Richard Hillier. John Thorpe and some other radio
designers would be involved with this receiver if it does, in fact,
get the "go-ahead."

You can write to him at for more information. He
will reply to you.

One can only hope that the price will be "reasonable," that is, within
the reach of hobbyists.

I will say this - it will HAVE to be a SUPERLATIVE design in order to
improve upon the performance and quality of the AR7030 Plus, at least
in my opinion.

Unfortunately, I have NEVER been interested any AOR products. Most of it I think
simply has to do with the way they look. Horrible. They just turn me off.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Mar 2, 8:15 am, dxAce wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote:
On Mar 2, 10:14 am, dxAce wrote:

And meanwhile, we sit and wait patiently for the new K + D offering...

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Dear "dxAce,"

Keep your eye on AOR-UK as well. It is possible, but only possible,
that they may be introducing a new DSP receiver within the next year
or so according to Richard Hillier. John Thorpe and some other radio
designers would be involved with this receiver if it does, in fact,
get the "go-ahead."

You can write to him at for more information. He
will reply to you.

One can only hope that the price will be "reasonable," that is, within
the reach of hobbyists.

I will say this - it will HAVE to be a SUPERLATIVE design in order to
improve upon the performance and quality of the AR7030 Plus, at least
in my opinion.

Unfortunately, I have NEVER been interested any AOR products. Most of it I think
simply has to do with the way they look. Horrible. They just turn me off.

dxAce
Michigan
USA- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Likewise here...and without a decent complement of knobs and switches
to control functionality - that remove the need to resort to nested
tech menus - the AOR is a nonstarter for me.

Bruce Jensen

junius wrote:

On Feb 26, 5:42 pm, "Bill Amann Jr" wrote:
I am going to make a guess $15,000. Love to have one but way to much."dxAce" wrote in message



Not a bad guess.

List Price: $15994.00
Your Price: $13500.00

Who will be the first to order one up?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

bpnjensen wrote:
On Mar 2, 8:15 am, dxAce wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote:
On Mar 2, 10:14 am, dxAce wrote:
And meanwhile, we sit and wait patiently for the new K + D offering...
dxAce
Michigan
USA
Dear "dxAce,"
Keep your eye on AOR-UK as well. It is possible, but only possible,
that they may be introducing a new DSP receiver within the next year
or so according to Richard Hillier. John Thorpe and some other radio
designers would be involved with this receiver if it does, in fact,
get the "go-ahead."
You can write to him at for more information. He
will reply to you.
One can only hope that the price will be "reasonable," that is, within
the reach of hobbyists.
I will say this - it will HAVE to be a SUPERLATIVE design in order to
improve upon the performance and quality of the AR7030 Plus, at least
in my opinion.
Unfortunately, I have NEVER been interested any AOR products. Most of it I think
simply has to do with the way they look. Horrible. They just turn me off.

dxAce
Michigan
USA- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Likewise here...and without a decent complement of knobs and switches
to control functionality - that remove the need to resort to nested
tech menus - the AOR is a nonstarter for me.

Bruce Jensen


I thought that way, too. Until I bought an HF-150. Using the software
driven interface took a bit of getting used to, but I noticed fairly
quickly, that there were none of the artifacts of switching with
dedicated controls that I'd begun to notice, even on rigs as simple as
my SW-2. And a year down the road, I wasn't having any of the artifacts
of dirty switches I see so much of with electronics in this neck of the
woods.

So, when I went to the AR-7030+, I already had a reasonably good
sense that control of parameters need not be a knobs-and-switches kind
of affair. And the operating within the menu trees, while presenting a
certain learning curve, became second nature fairly quickly, while
capturing some pretty difficult signals that even R-71 had trouble
sucking in. And the interface isn't as complicated as many have
suggested it may be. The controlling menues are logically laid out, so
most used functions are at the top. If you need to dig deeper, each
layer of controls groups similar functions together, so as you work
harder to capture that ephemeral signal, you can bring up complimentary
functions with a single button press, as you need them, without having
to renavigate the tree.

Once you use it for any length of time, you'll not notice the lack of
knobs and switches.

Now, I will say that AR-7030+ is a bit small for someone as ham
handed as I can be, but the operating system produces as fine a DXing
experience as anything I've used to date. In a small package on the
desktop, with plenty of room to grow on the inside. And as easy to
operate as the Ten-Tec sitting next to it.

The whole knobs-and-switches thing...I don't even notice anymore.

D Peter Maus wrote:

bpnjensen wrote:

Likewise here...and without a decent complement of knobs and switches
to control functionality - that remove the need to resort to nested
tech menus - the AOR is a nonstarter for me.

Bruce Jensen


I thought that way, too. Until I bought an HF-150. Using the software
driven interface took a bit of getting used to, but I noticed fairly
quickly, that there were none of the artifacts of switching with
dedicated controls that I'd begun to notice, even on rigs as simple as
my SW-2. And a year down the road, I wasn't having any of the artifacts
of dirty switches I see so much of with electronics in this neck of the
woods.

So, when I went to the AR-7030+, I already had a reasonably good sense
that control of parameters need not be a knobs-and-switches kind of
affair. And the operating within the menu trees, while presenting a
certain learning curve, became second nature fairly quickly, while
capturing some pretty difficult signals that even R-71 had trouble
sucking in. And the interface isn't as complicated as many have
suggested it may be. The controlling menues are logically laid out, so
most used functions are at the top. If you need to dig deeper, each
layer of controls groups similar functions together, so as you work
harder to capture that ephemeral signal, you can bring up complimentary
functions with a single button press, as you need them, without having
to renavigate the tree.

Once you use it for any length of time, you'll not notice the lack of
knobs and switches.

Now, I will say that AR-7030+ is a bit small for someone as ham handed
as I can be, but the operating system produces as fine a DXing
experience as anything I've used to date. In a small package on the
desktop, with plenty of room to grow on the inside. And as easy to
operate as the Ten-Tec sitting next to it.

The whole knobs-and-switches thing...I don't even notice anymore.

If you can't operate the radio without having to constantly look at the
display to see what the menu indicates, I wouldn't be interested,
regardless of the performance. One of the reasons I like the R8B is you
can operate most of the functions with the touch of a button, even in
the dark, without having to keep looking at the display to see what's
going on.

HFguy wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

bpnjensen wrote:

Likewise here...and without a decent complement of knobs and switches
to control functionality - that remove the need to resort to nested
tech menus - the AOR is a nonstarter for me.

Bruce Jensen


I thought that way, too. Until I bought an HF-150. Using the
software driven interface took a bit of getting used to, but I noticed
fairly quickly, that there were none of the artifacts of switching
with dedicated controls that I'd begun to notice, even on rigs as
simple as my SW-2. And a year down the road, I wasn't having any of
the artifacts of dirty switches I see so much of with electronics in
this neck of the woods.

So, when I went to the AR-7030+, I already had a reasonably good
sense that control of parameters need not be a knobs-and-switches kind
of affair. And the operating within the menu trees, while presenting a
certain learning curve, became second nature fairly quickly, while
capturing some pretty difficult signals that even R-71 had trouble
sucking in. And the interface isn't as complicated as many have
suggested it may be. The controlling menues are logically laid out, so
most used functions are at the top. If you need to dig deeper, each
layer of controls groups similar functions together, so as you work
harder to capture that ephemeral signal, you can bring up
complimentary functions with a single button press, as you need them,
without having to renavigate the tree.

Once you use it for any length of time, you'll not notice the lack
of knobs and switches.

Now, I will say that AR-7030+ is a bit small for someone as ham
handed as I can be, but the operating system produces as fine a DXing
experience as anything I've used to date. In a small package on the
desktop, with plenty of room to grow on the inside. And as easy to
operate as the Ten-Tec sitting next to it.

The whole knobs-and-switches thing...I don't even notice anymore.

If you can't operate the radio without having to constantly look at the
display to see what the menu indicates, I wouldn't be interested,
regardless of the performance.


Again, it doesn't work that way. You don't have to navigate the trees
esch time you need a function. Functions are grouped in such a way, that
one button is all you need to hit to activate a function.

For instance, if you're changing mode, that's one function. One
button And you can do that from anywhere within any menu tree. Same
button. One press. You're there. You don't need to be looking at the
screen. Only at the face to find the button over the tuning knob. Change
filters, one button, change the filter. Dial in an IF offset, one
button, turn the knob. No need to navigate, it's all at your fingertips.

It's effortless. Once you get the hang of it, operating AR-7030 is as
intuitive as R8B.


One of the reasons I like the R8B is you
can operate most of the functions with the touch of a button, even in
the dark, without having to keep looking at the display to see what's
going on.


As you can with the AOR. Just like R8B, you simply have to get used
to where the buttons are on the panel. The most complex function is
setting the clocks.

Much as been made of the nested menu trees. Mostly by people who've
never worked the radio.

On Mar 2, 11:15 am, dxAce wrote:

Unfortunately, I have NEVER been interested any AOR products. Most of it I think
simply has to do with the way they look. Horrible. They just turn me off.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Hello "Ace,"

Well, you're right regarding the AR7030 Plus' styling. It certainly
does not look like a Hammarlund HQ-180!

But I think you're making a mistake if you ignore products just
because of the way they look. What really counts in a shortwave radio
is performance, sound, and build-quality and, in these regards, the
'7030 is second-to-none, in my opinion. Regarding the person who
complained about having to "look at the display when operating the
set," that's no different than with any other radio, and the AOR is
VERY easy to operate once you become familiar with it.(Can you work a
VCR or a DVD burner? This radio is actually easier!) And remember -
the AR7030 Plus can be practically totally computer-controlled if the
user so wishes (I so wish!). You can "work" it from across the room if
you like (that's what I do - right from the comfort of my reclining
sofa - with an older notebook computer and, by the way, there is NO
computer "hash" whatsoever with this arrangement) and you almost never
have to touch the radio.

I have always thought that this radio is not particularly attractive
visually - but I'm sure glad I bought one. (Looks can grow on you but
bad perfomance ALWAYS grates!) I have owned mine for three years now
and operate it four-to-twelve hours EVERY day (except when I'm on
vacation). It's totally reliable and hears things that no other radio
I own can. For example, in the evening, I can hear Radio Australia
with the AOR radio (with a Wellbrook ALA 330S) and I CANNOT with my
Grundig Satellit 800 (also using a Wellbrook ALA 330S - I own two of
them). I don't even bother trying really weak signals with my
portables or even the Satellit 800 except for comparisons.

I think it's a true winner (note that it has been manufactured for
over ten years) and I believe that AOR-UK is REALLY going to have to
work hard to design a radio that can outperform it (THAT would really
be something!) at a reasonable, affordable price. ($13,500.00 "ain't"
my idea of a reasonable price - nor is a radio that evidently runs so
hot that it requires a fan - a terrible and inelegant "solution" - to
cool it, according to Dave Zantow's web page.)

If you've never actually tried an AOR AR7030 Plus, and you can afford
it, I recommend that you buy one. I believe you'll never regret the
purchase.

Best,

Joe

Joe Analssandrini wrote:

On Mar 2, 11:15 am, dxAce wrote:

Unfortunately, I have NEVER been interested any AOR products. Most of it I think
simply has to do with the way they look. Horrible. They just turn me off.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Hello "Ace,"

Well, you're right regarding the AR7030 Plus' styling. It certainly
does not look like a Hammarlund HQ-180!

But I think you're making a mistake if you ignore products just
because of the way they look. What really counts in a shortwave radio
is performance, sound, and build-quality and, in these regards, the
'7030 is second-to-none, in my opinion. Regarding the person who
complained about having to "look at the display when operating the
set," that's no different than with any other radio, and the AOR is
VERY easy to operate once you become familiar with it.(Can you work a
VCR or a DVD burner? This radio is actually easier!) And remember -
the AR7030 Plus can be practically totally computer-controlled if the
user so wishes (I so wish!). You can "work" it from across the room if
you like (that's what I do - right from the comfort of my reclining
sofa - with an older notebook computer and, by the way, there is NO
computer "hash" whatsoever with this arrangement) and you almost never
have to touch the radio.

I have always thought that this radio is not particularly attractive
visually - but I'm sure glad I bought one. (Looks can grow on you but
bad perfomance ALWAYS grates!) I have owned mine for three years now
and operate it four-to-twelve hours EVERY day (except when I'm on
vacation). It's totally reliable and hears things that no other radio
I own can. For example, in the evening, I can hear Radio Australia
with the AOR radio (with a Wellbrook ALA 330S) and I CANNOT with my
Grundig Satellit 800 (also using a Wellbrook ALA 330S - I own two of
them). I don't even bother trying really weak signals with my
portables or even the Satellit 800 except for comparisons.

I think it's a true winner (note that it has been manufactured for
over ten years) and I believe that AOR-UK is REALLY going to have to
work hard to design a radio that can outperform it (THAT would really
be something!) at a reasonable, affordable price. ($13,500.00 "ain't"
my idea of a reasonable price - nor is a radio that evidently runs so
hot that it requires a fan - a terrible and inelegant "solution" - to
cool it, according to Dave Zantow's web page.)

If you've never actually tried an AOR AR7030 Plus, and you can afford
it, I recommend that you buy one. I believe you'll never regret the
purchase.

Sorry, ain't gonna happen. I doubt they are as good as the price tag.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Drake R7, R8, R8A. and R8B.
236 Countries heard on the NASWA list and 221 Countries QSL'd on the NASWA list.

"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 2, 11:15 am, dxAce wrote:

Unfortunately, I have NEVER been interested any AOR products. Most of it
I think
simply has to do with the way they look. Horrible. They just turn me off.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Hello "Ace,"

Well, you're right regarding the AR7030 Plus' styling. It certainly
does not look like a Hammarlund HQ-180!

If you've never actually tried an AOR AR7030 Plus, and you can afford
it, I recommend that you buy one. I believe you'll never regret the
purchase.

Best,

Joe

Why would you want a radio that you have to ask "Can you work a
VCR or a DVD burner"???

I run an old simple Grundig that I just put the frig in and that's it!!

Burr

14.5° N 121.0° E, Philippines +8Z



Grundig Sat800, YB400

Drake SW8, BC895XLT

200' Long Wire & Dipole

In article qzoGh.7961$PG5.5729@trndny07, HFguy
wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

bpnjensen wrote:

Likewise here...and without a decent complement of knobs and switches
to control functionality - that remove the need to resort to nested
tech menus - the AOR is a nonstarter for me.

Bruce Jensen


I thought that way, too. Until I bought an HF-150. Using the software
driven interface took a bit of getting used to, but I noticed fairly
quickly, that there were none of the artifacts of switching with
dedicated controls that I'd begun to notice, even on rigs as simple as
my SW-2. And a year down the road, I wasn't having any of the artifacts
of dirty switches I see so much of with electronics in this neck of the
woods.

So, when I went to the AR-7030+, I already had a reasonably good sense
that control of parameters need not be a knobs-and-switches kind of
affair. And the operating within the menu trees, while presenting a
certain learning curve, became second nature fairly quickly, while
capturing some pretty difficult signals that even R-71 had trouble
sucking in. And the interface isn't as complicated as many have
suggested it may be. The controlling menues are logically laid out, so
most used functions are at the top. If you need to dig deeper, each
layer of controls groups similar functions together, so as you work
harder to capture that ephemeral signal, you can bring up complimentary
functions with a single button press, as you need them, without having
to renavigate the tree.

Once you use it for any length of time, you'll not notice the lack of
knobs and switches.

Now, I will say that AR-7030+ is a bit small for someone as ham handed
as I can be, but the operating system produces as fine a DXing
experience as anything I've used to date. In a small package on the
desktop, with plenty of room to grow on the inside. And as easy to
operate as the Ten-Tec sitting next to it.

The whole knobs-and-switches thing...I don't even notice anymore.

If you can't operate the radio without having to constantly look at the
display to see what the menu indicates, I wouldn't be interested,
regardless of the performance. One of the reasons I like the R8B is you
can operate most of the functions with the touch of a button, even in
the dark, without having to keep looking at the display to see what's
going on.

Use the remote control. It has a button for most functions irrespective
of where the radio is in the menu tree.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California