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Bob Liesenfeld March 20th 07 11:03 PM

Sounds of digital
 
Hi agng,
At one time I had bookmarked a site that had audio files of what various
digital modes sounded like as an aid to recognizing them on the air. Now I
can't find it. :-/ Anyone know of one?

Thanks!



Caveat Lector March 20th 07 11:17 PM

Sounds of digital
 

"Bob Liesenfeld" wrote in message
...
Hi agng,
At one time I had bookmarked a site that had audio files of what various
digital modes sounded like as an aid to recognizing them on the air. Now
I can't find it. :-/ Anyone know of one?

Thanks!

This URL perhaps?
http://www.kb9ukd.com/digital/

CL



Ron Hardin March 20th 07 11:52 PM

Sounds of digital
 
Here's Ibiquity testing in Cincinnati in 2001 on 1660kHz (heard in Central Ohio)

WQSN in Kalamazoo MI in the first few seconds, with Cincinnati phased away.

http://rhhardin.home.mindspring.com/wd2xam.ram
--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

David Eduardo March 20th 07 11:54 PM

Sounds of digital
 

"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
...
Here's Ibiquity testing in Cincinnati in 2001 on 1660kHz (heard in Central
Ohio)

WQSN in Kalamazoo MI in the first few seconds, with Cincinnati phased
away.


Keep in mind that the algorithm used then is nothing like the one in use now
to the extent that anything that old is irrelevant.



David Eduardo March 21st 07 12:16 AM

Sounds of digital
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
...
Here's Ibiquity testing in Cincinnati in 2001 on 1660kHz (heard in
Central Ohio)

WQSN in Kalamazoo MI in the first few seconds, with Cincinnati phased
away.

http://rhhardin.home.mindspring.com/wd2xam.ram
--


It's lovely... sounds exactly like one of the N. Korean jammers..


It's about 10 generations back in the codec and algorithm development.





David Eduardo[_3_] March 21st 07 01:36 AM

Sounds of digital
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
...
Here's Ibiquity testing in Cincinnati in 2001 on 1660kHz (heard in Central
Ohio)

WQSN in Kalamazoo MI in the first few seconds, with Cincinnati phased
away.


Keep in mind that the algorithm used then is nothing like the one in use now
to the extent that anything that old is irrelevant.


Actually, on second thought, I take this back. It's surprising
sometimes how useful some of these old algorithms are.


David Eduardo[_3_] March 21st 07 01:37 AM

Sounds of digital
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
...
Here's Ibiquity testing in Cincinnati in 2001 on 1660kHz (heard in
Central Ohio)

WQSN in Kalamazoo MI in the first few seconds, with Cincinnati phased
away.

http://rhhardin.home.mindspring.com/wd2xam.ram
--


It's lovely... sounds exactly like one of the N. Korean jammers..


It's about 10 generations back in the codec and algorithm development.



Well, maybe no 10 generations, but two generations at least.
Definitely one generation. I think.


Ron Baker, Pluralitas! March 21st 07 03:02 AM

Sounds of digital
 

"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
...

"Bob Liesenfeld" wrote in message
...
Hi agng,
At one time I had bookmarked a site that had audio files of what various
digital modes sounded like as an aid to recognizing them on the air. Now
I can't find it. :-/ Anyone know of one?

Thanks!

This URL perhaps?
http://www.kb9ukd.com/digital/

CL


Nice link. Thanks.

--
rb



David Eduardo[_2_] March 21st 07 03:14 AM

Sounds of digital
 
On Mar 20, 10:58 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...
..



It's about 10 generations back in the codec and algorithm development.


Yeah, like you know what you are talking about. Not.


Since every station upgrades the software in the HD equipment each time
there is a codec or software change, we should know how many times it is
revised.


Actually I spoke too soon. Stations don't upgrade the software each
time there's a codec or software change, but they do it occasionally,
depending on what else is going on. It's hard to keep track of how
many times you done it, though. Who can keep track of these things?


Telamon March 21st 07 03:28 AM

Sounds of digital
 
In article .com,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
...
Here's Ibiquity testing in Cincinnati in 2001 on 1660kHz (heard in
Central Ohio)

WQSN in Kalamazoo MI in the first few seconds, with Cincinnati phased
away.

http://rhhardin.home.mindspring.com/wd2xam.ram
--

It's lovely... sounds exactly like one of the N. Korean jammers..


It's about 10 generations back in the codec and algorithm development.



Well, maybe no 10 generations, but two generations at least.
Definitely one generation. I think.


And I take it YOU are the next generation.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon March 21st 07 03:31 AM

Sounds of digital
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
..

It's about 10 generations back in the codec and algorithm development.



Yeah, like you know what you are talking about. Not.


Since every station upgrades the software in the HD equipment each time
there is a codec or software change, we should know how many times it is
revised.


OK David lets try out this little poser on you the man with all the
answers. If the IBOC comes out on a ASIC and then the codec changes then
what about all the radios out there with old chip in them? Do they stop
working? Will they only be able to receive stations using the old codec?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Brenda Ann March 21st 07 03:54 AM

Sounds of digital
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
..

It's about 10 generations back in the codec and algorithm development.



Yeah, like you know what you are talking about. Not.


Since every station upgrades the software in the HD equipment each time
there is a codec or software change, we should know how many times it is
revised.


OK David lets try out this little poser on you the man with all the
answers. If the IBOC comes out on a ASIC and then the codec changes then
what about all the radios out there with old chip in them? Do they stop
working? Will they only be able to receive stations using the old codec?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


Can I field this one? Our AFN satellite receivers have to update themselves
every few months. AFN sends the updates down from the bird and the receiver
downloads and installs them. I'm no fan of IBOC, of course, but I see no
reason that the ASIC (not knowing the particulars of the chip) couldn't be
designed to do the same (Flash RAM or some such).



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Telamon March 21st 07 04:16 AM

Sounds of digital
 
In article ,
"Brenda Ann" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
.
..
..

It's about 10 generations back in the codec and algorithm development.



Yeah, like you know what you are talking about. Not.


Since every station upgrades the software in the HD equipment each time
there is a codec or software change, we should know how many times it is
revised.


OK David lets try out this little poser on you the man with all the
answers. If the IBOC comes out on a ASIC and then the codec changes then
what about all the radios out there with old chip in them? Do they stop
working? Will they only be able to receive stations using the old codec?



Can I field this one? Our AFN satellite receivers have to update themselves
every few months. AFN sends the updates down from the bird and the receiver
downloads and installs them. I'm no fan of IBOC, of course, but I see no
reason that the ASIC (not knowing the particulars of the chip) couldn't be
designed to do the same (Flash RAM or some such).


To bad for the rest of us you had to answer that question. I wanted to
see David fumble it. Spoiler.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo March 21st 07 05:36 PM

Sounds of digital
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
..

It's about 10 generations back in the codec and algorithm development.



Yeah, like you know what you are talking about. Not.


Since every station upgrades the software in the HD equipment each time
there is a codec or software change, we should know how many times it is
revised.


OK David lets try out this little poser on you the man with all the
answers. If the IBOC comes out on a ASIC and then the codec changes then
what about all the radios out there with old chip in them? Do they stop
working? Will they only be able to receive stations using the old codec?


No changes in the receiver. All modifications are in the transmission
system, not the receiver.



David Eduardo March 21st 07 05:44 PM

Sounds of digital
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Can I field this one? Our AFN satellite receivers have to update
themselves
every few months. AFN sends the updates down from the bird and the
receiver
downloads and installs them. I'm no fan of IBOC, of course, but I see no
reason that the ASIC (not knowing the particulars of the chip) couldn't
be
designed to do the same (Flash RAM or some such).


To bad for the rest of us you had to answer that question. I wanted to
see David fumble it. Spoiler.


Most of the algorithm and codec changes have been one sided... and all of
them have been since ver. 2 of the design specs were released last year
prior to the "Official" launch of HD in June. What has been changed, per our
engineers who looked at the update bulletins, with some frequency is the
system that distributes content in the individual digital sidebands, to make
it even less error prone, and certain one-sided codec changes on the AM
audio (this may just be iBiquity saying they polished the code a bit). It
all constitutes fine tuning at this stage.



David Eduardo[_2_] March 21st 07 06:13 PM

Sounds of digital
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
..

It's about 10 generations back in the codec and algorithm development.



Yeah, like you know what you are talking about. Not.


Since every station upgrades the software in the HD equipment each time
there is a codec or software change, we should know how many times it is
revised.


OK David lets try out this little poser on you the man with all the
answers. If the IBOC comes out on a ASIC and then the codec changes then
what about all the radios out there with old chip in them? Do they stop
working? Will they only be able to receive stations using the old codec?


No changes in the receiver. All modifications are in the transmission
system, not the receiver.


Actually, now that I think about it there were some changes in the
receiver. Let me get back to you on this.


David Eduardo[_2_] March 21st 07 06:15 PM

Sounds of digital
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Can I field this one? Our AFN satellite receivers have to update
themselves
every few months. AFN sends the updates down from the bird and the
receiver
downloads and installs them. I'm no fan of IBOC, of course, but I see no
reason that the ASIC (not knowing the particulars of the chip) couldn't
be
designed to do the same (Flash RAM or some such).


To bad for the rest of us you had to answer that question. I wanted to
see David fumble it. Spoiler.


Most of the algorithm and codec changes have been one sided... and all of
them have been since ver. 2 of the design specs were released last year
prior to the "Official" launch of HD in June. What has been changed, per our
engineers who looked at the update bulletins, with some frequency is the
system that distributes content in the individual digital sidebands, to make
it even less error prone, and certain one-sided codec changes on the AM
audio (this may just be iBiquity saying they polished the code a bit). It
all constitutes fine tuning at this stage.


Sorry, I meant this as a response to a different post. Please ignore.


Telamon March 22nd 07 02:08 AM

Sounds of digital
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Can I field this one? Our AFN satellite receivers have to update
themselves
every few months. AFN sends the updates down from the bird and the
receiver
downloads and installs them. I'm no fan of IBOC, of course, but I see no
reason that the ASIC (not knowing the particulars of the chip) couldn't
be
designed to do the same (Flash RAM or some such).


To bad for the rest of us you had to answer that question. I wanted to
see David fumble it. Spoiler.


Most of the algorithm and codec changes have been one sided... and all of
them have been since ver. 2 of the design specs were released last year
prior to the "Official" launch of HD in June. What has been changed, per our
engineers who looked at the update bulletins, with some frequency is the
system that distributes content in the individual digital sidebands, to make
it even less error prone, and certain one-sided codec changes on the AM
audio (this may just be iBiquity saying they polished the code a bit). It
all constitutes fine tuning at this stage.


Polishing the noise, a new concept.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon March 22nd 07 02:11 AM

Sounds of digital
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
.
..
..

It's about 10 generations back in the codec and algorithm development.



Yeah, like you know what you are talking about. Not.


Since every station upgrades the software in the HD equipment each time
there is a codec or software change, we should know how many times it is
revised.


OK David lets try out this little poser on you the man with all the
answers. If the IBOC comes out on a ASIC and then the codec changes then
what about all the radios out there with old chip in them? Do they stop
working? Will they only be able to receive stations using the old codec?


No changes in the receiver. All modifications are in the transmission
system, not the receiver.


Your explanation leaves a little to be desired. If the sidebands were
differentiated what was the difference or reason?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


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