For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.



From AllAccess.com



Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."

SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.


What does this have to do with shortwave? Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.

SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.

Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.

Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.

There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'

Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

On Mar 26, 2:13�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
* * Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.

* * From AllAccess.com

Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."

SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.

* * What does this have to do with shortwave? *Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. *And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.

* * SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.

* * Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.

* * Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.

* * There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'

* * Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.

Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:

"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"

http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc

One notable quote:

"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."

So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
� � Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.

� � From AllAccess.com

Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."

SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.

� � What does this have to do with shortwave? �Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. �And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.

� � SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.

� � Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.

� � Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.

� � There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'

� � Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.

Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:

"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"

http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc

One notable quote:

"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."

So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !





And let's hope that continues.

Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
� � Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.

� � From AllAccess.com

Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."

SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.

� � What does this have to do with shortwave? �Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. �And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.

� � SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.

� � Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.

� � Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.

� � There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'

� � Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.

Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:

"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"

http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc

One notable quote:

"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."

So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !




And, I forgot....my point in posting this was to remind those who
have denied, denied, denied that subscription radio was the inevitable
end goal of digital broadcast, that this IS, indeed, being discussed,
planned for, and eagerly anticipated.

And for the first time, publicly spoken out loud, before the Congress.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

On Mar 26, 2:33�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.

? ? From AllAccess.com

Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."

SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.

? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.

? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.

? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.

? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.

? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'

? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.

Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:

"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"

http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc

One notable quote:

"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."

So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !

* * And let's hope that continues.

* * Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

* * Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

* * It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is
mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast
bands are doomed.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:33�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
� � And let's hope that continues.

� � Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

� � Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

� � It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is
mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast
bands are doomed.


If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning,
but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide
listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and
listeners will make the migration.

Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's,
or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening.

That's where the mandate will come from.

Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It
will do what it takes to get there.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

On Mar 26, 8:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.

? ? From AllAccess.com

Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."

SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.

? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.

? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.

? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.

? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.

? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'

? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.

Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:

"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"

http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc

One notable quote:

"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."

So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !

And let's hope that continues.

Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will :

1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio

2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio

3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio

4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet
for All Tax.

- - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF

Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did !

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

"RHF" wrote in message
oups.com...

Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will :

1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio

2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio

3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio

4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet
for All Tax.

- - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF

Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did !
.

That is both funny and frightening.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

RHF wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
And let's hope that continues.

Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will :

1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio

2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio

3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio

4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet
for All Tax.

- - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF

Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did !
.
.
. .



LOL! Roy, you're a sick man.

God love you for it.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

On Mar 26, 2:58�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:33?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
? ? And let's hope that continues.

? ? Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

? ? Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

? ? It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is
mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast
bands are doomed.

* *If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning,
but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide
listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and
listeners will make the migration.

* *Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's,
or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening.

* *That's where the mandate will come from.

* *Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It
will do what it takes to get there.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There is no proof that listeners would spend money on expensive HD
Radios. This was tried in Canada, with DAB, but as we can see, it
failed due to lack of consumer interest:

"Digital radio in Canada"

"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition.
Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only
operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once
operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold,
and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six
cities where it exists. Since DRB transmitters have only been built in
the largest cities, motorists travelling between Quebec and Windsor,
between Calgary and Edmonton, or between Vancouver and south-central
British Columbia lose DRB reception. As a result, automakers have
switched their support from terrestrial DRB to XM/Sirius satellite
radio."

http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com...in-canada.html

The same thing is happening in the US - even if manufacturers move
into high-gear, that is not going to force consumers to buy digital
radios. Consumers are already moving onto other technologies, and a
digital mandate would only doom the broadcast bands. The probelm with
HD Radio is not lack of distribution, but a lack of consumer up-take.

TROLL BAIT
 

On Mar 26, 11:13 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.

From AllAccess.com

Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."

SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.

What does this have to do with shortwave? Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.

SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.

Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.

Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.

There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'

Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.

X

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:58�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:33?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
? ? And let's hope that continues.
? ? Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.
? ? Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.
? ? It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is
mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast
bands are doomed.
� �If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning,
but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide
listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and
listeners will make the migration.

� �Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's,
or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening.

� �That's where the mandate will come from.

� �Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It
will do what it takes to get there.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There is no proof that listeners would spend money on expensive HD
Radios. This was tried in Canada, with DAB, but as we can see, it
failed due to lack of consumer interest:

"Digital radio in Canada"

"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition.
Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only
operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once
operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold,
and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six
cities where it exists. Since DRB transmitters have only been built in
the largest cities, motorists travelling between Quebec and Windsor,
between Calgary and Edmonton, or between Vancouver and south-central
British Columbia lose DRB reception. As a result, automakers have
switched their support from terrestrial DRB to XM/Sirius satellite
radio."

http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com...in-canada.html

The same thing is happening in the US - even if manufacturers move
into high-gear, that is not going to force consumers to buy digital
radios. Consumers are already moving onto other technologies, and a
digital mandate would only doom the broadcast bands. The probelm with
HD Radio is not lack of distribution, but a lack of consumer up-take.




Yes, I read that. And you make a good point.

The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an
alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting.

If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial
broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or
internet.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

On Mar 26, 9:24 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

oups.com...







Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will :

1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio

2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio

3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio

4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet
for All Tax.

- - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF

Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did !
.

That is both funny and frightening.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I aim to amuse and the power of government is frightening ~ RHF

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

On Mar 26, 9:30 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
And let's hope that continues.

Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will :

1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio

2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio

3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio

4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet
for All Tax.

- - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF

Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did !
.
.
. .

LOL! Roy, you're a sick man.

God love you for it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oops I am having another Hillary Moment ! :o) ~ RHF

 

On Mar 26, 6:10�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
* wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:07?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:58?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:33?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
? ? And let's hope that continues.
? ? Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.
? ? Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.
? ? It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is
mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast
bands are doomed.
? ?If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning,
but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide
listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and
listeners will make the migration.
? ?Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's,
or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening.
? ?That's where the mandate will come from.
? ?Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It
will do what it takes to get there.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
There is no proof that listeners would spend money on expensive HD
Radios. This was tried in Canada, with DAB, but as we can see, it
failed due to lack of consumer interest:
"Digital radio in Canada"
"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition.
Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only
operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once
operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold,
and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six
cities where it exists. Since DRB transmitters have only been built in
the largest cities, motorists travelling between Quebec and Windsor,
between Calgary and Edmonton, or between Vancouver and south-central
British Columbia lose DRB reception. As a result, automakers have
switched their support from terrestrial DRB to XM/Sirius satellite
radio."
http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com...adio-in-canada.....
The same thing is happening in the US - even if manufacturers move
into high-gear, that is not going to force consumers to buy digital
radios. ?Consumers are already moving onto other technologies, and a
digital mandate would only doom the broadcast bands. The probelm with
HD Radio is not lack of distribution, but a lack of consumer up-take.
? ?Yes, I read that. And you make a good point.

? ?The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an
alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting.

? ?If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial
broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or
internet.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

With very few HD radios in hands of consumers, do you really think the
FCC is going to mandate digital radio - that is the point of this
article, to let the marketplace decide:

"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"

http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc

I am confused, as to how you don't see this. Another big problem is
the delicate nature of the IBOC signal - even home table-top models,
with external antennas, have problems picking up HD signals - there is
no way portable and in-dash HD is ever going to work, as advertised.

* *It's not that I don't see it. It's that I see something behind it.
Letting the market decide, is a very nice way of doing beta testing in
the market places on the consumer dime. Precisely because of the
ephemeral nature of the IBOC signal as you describe. I'm not disagreeing
with you there.

* *But you're only seeing the IBOC decision as announced last week.
You're not considering the prior FCC mandate that all future modulation
schemes for broadcast be digital. They're not backing off of that. And
if the marketplace doesn't decide in their favor, there will be a
mandated transition to an all digital scheme.

* *As far as the hardware is concerned...yes, there is not much of it.
And no portables, as of yet. But there are indash systems. And they do
work. Lackluster sales are more a reflection of the lack of urgency on
the part of the public to adopt the new technology. Especially, since
there are still FREE alternatives.

* *If, however, there is a mandate to transition to digital, there will
be a HUGE incentive for manufacturers to develop and produce a wide
spectrum of radios, portable and otherwise, and spend MILLIONS on R&D to
make them work. Why? Because there will be a guaranteed market for the
products. And the public, faced with the coming deadline to convert will
spend the money.

* *They WILL do it.

* *And they WILL do it for the same reasons that they're spending money
on HDTV's...because, in a word, they have to. It's coming, they can't
stop it, and they don't get a choice not to play.

* *An FCC mandate on Digital AM/FM Radio will produce the same impetus.



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They can mandate full-digital mode for radio, but it still won't be an
incentive for consumers - generally, consumers do not care about
terrestrial radio, and by the time, if/when this is mandated decades
from now, Wireless Internet/WiFi/WiMax will be commonplace, and
terrestrial radio will be dead.

 

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* wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:07?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:58?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:33?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
? ? And let's hope that continues.
? ? Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.
? ? Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.
? ? It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is
mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast
bands are doomed.
? ?If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning,
but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide
listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and
listeners will make the migration.
? ?Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's,
or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening.
? ?That's where the mandate will come from.
? ?Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It
will do what it takes to get there.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
There is no proof that listeners would spend money on expensive HD
Radios. This was tried in Canada, with DAB, but as we can see, it
failed due to lack of consumer interest:
"Digital radio in Canada"
"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition.
Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only
operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once
operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold,
and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six
cities where it exists. Since DRB transmitters have only been built in
the largest cities, motorists travelling between Quebec and Windsor,
between Calgary and Edmonton, or between Vancouver and south-central
British Columbia lose DRB reception. As a result, automakers have
switched their support from terrestrial DRB to XM/Sirius satellite
radio."
http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com...adio-in-canada.....
The same thing is happening in the US - even if manufacturers move
into high-gear, that is not going to force consumers to buy digital
radios. ?Consumers are already moving onto other technologies, and a
digital mandate would only doom the broadcast bands. The probelm with
HD Radio is not lack of distribution, but a lack of consumer up-take.
? ?Yes, I read that. And you make a good point.

? ?The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an
alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting.

? ?If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial
broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or
internet.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

With very few HD radios in hands of consumers, do you really think the
FCC is going to mandate digital radio - that is the point of this
article, to let the marketplace decide:

"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"

http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc

I am confused, as to how you don't see this. Another big problem is
the delicate nature of the IBOC signal - even home table-top models,
with external antennas, have problems picking up HD signals - there is
no way portable and in-dash HD is ever going to work, as advertised.

* *It's not that I don't see it. It's that I see something behind it.
Letting the market decide, is a very nice way of doing beta testing in
the market places on the consumer dime. Precisely because of the
ephemeral nature of the IBOC signal as you describe. I'm not disagreeing
with you there.

* *But you're only seeing the IBOC decision as announced last week.
You're not considering the prior FCC mandate that all future modulation
schemes for broadcast be digital. They're not backing off of that. And
if the marketplace doesn't decide in their favor, there will be a
mandated transition to an all digital scheme.

* *As far as the hardware is concerned...yes, there is not much of it.
And no portables, as of yet. But there are indash systems. And they do
work. Lackluster sales are more a reflection of the lack of urgency on
the part of the public to adopt the new technology. Especially, since
there are still FREE alternatives.

* *If, however, there is a mandate to transition to digital, there will
be a HUGE incentive for manufacturers to develop and produce a wide
spectrum of radios, portable and otherwise, and spend MILLIONS on R&D to
make them work. Why? Because there will be a guaranteed market for the
products. And the public, faced with the coming deadline to convert will
spend the money.

* *They WILL do it.

* *And they WILL do it for the same reasons that they're spending money
on HDTV's...because, in a word, they have to. It's coming, they can't
stop it, and they don't get a choice not to play.

* *An FCC mandate on Digital AM/FM Radio will produce the same impetus.



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You still don't get it - they can manufacture all the HD Radios they
want, but consumers are not buying !

 

That crazy girl is messin with me again.
cuhulin

 

Manufacture Yugos and people wont buy them either.
cuhulin

 

wrote:
On Mar 26, 6:10�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
� wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:07?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:58?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:33?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
? ? And let's hope that continues.
? ? Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.
? ? Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.
? ? It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is
mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast
bands are doomed.
? ?If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning,
but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide
listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and
listeners will make the migration.
? ?Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's,
or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening.
? ?That's where the mandate will come from.
? ?Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It
will do what it takes to get there.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
There is no proof that listeners would spend money on expensive HD
Radios. This was tried in Canada, with DAB, but as we can see, it
failed due to lack of consumer interest:
"Digital radio in Canada"
"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition.
Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only
operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once
operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold,
and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six
cities where it exists. Since DRB transmitters have only been built in
the largest cities, motorists travelling between Quebec and Windsor,
between Calgary and Edmonton, or between Vancouver and south-central
British Columbia lose DRB reception. As a result, automakers have
switched their support from terrestrial DRB to XM/Sirius satellite
radio."
http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com...adio-in-canada....
The same thing is happening in the US - even if manufacturers move
into high-gear, that is not going to force consumers to buy digital
radios. ?Consumers are already moving onto other technologies, and a
digital mandate would only doom the broadcast bands. The probelm with
HD Radio is not lack of distribution, but a lack of consumer up-take.
? ?Yes, I read that. And you make a good point.
? ?The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an
alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting.
? ?If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial
broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or
internet.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
With very few HD radios in hands of consumers, do you really think the
FCC is going to mandate digital radio - that is the point of this
article, to let the marketplace decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
I am confused, as to how you don't see this. Another big problem is
the delicate nature of the IBOC signal - even home table-top models,
with external antennas, have problems picking up HD signals - there is
no way portable and in-dash HD is ever going to work, as advertised.
� �It's not that I don't see it. It's that I see something behind it.
Letting the market decide, is a very nice way of doing beta testing in
the market places on the consumer dime. Precisely because of the
ephemeral nature of the IBOC signal as you describe. I'm not disagreeing
with you there.

� �But you're only seeing the IBOC decision as announced last week.
You're not considering the prior FCC mandate that all future modulation
schemes for broadcast be digital. They're not backing off of that. And
if the marketplace doesn't decide in their favor, there will be a
mandated transition to an all digital scheme.

� �As far as the hardware is concerned...yes, there is not much of it.
And no portables, as of yet. But there are indash systems. And they do
work. Lackluster sales are more a reflection of the lack of urgency on
the part of the public to adopt the new technology. Especially, since
there are still FREE alternatives.

� �If, however, there is a mandate to transition to digital, there will
be a HUGE incentive for manufacturers to develop and produce a wide
spectrum of radios, portable and otherwise, and spend MILLIONS on R&D to
make them work. Why? Because there will be a guaranteed market for the
products. And the public, faced with the coming deadline to convert will
spend the money.

� �They WILL do it.

� �And they WILL do it for the same reasons that they're spending money
on HDTV's...because, in a word, they have to. It's coming, they can't
stop it, and they don't get a choice not to play.

� �An FCC mandate on Digital AM/FM Radio will produce the same impetus.



- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They can mandate full-digital mode for radio, but it still won't be an
incentive for consumers - generally, consumers do not care about
terrestrial radio, and by the time, if/when this is mandated decades
from now, Wireless Internet/WiFi/WiMax will be commonplace, and
terrestrial radio will be dead.




Entirely possible, yes.

I"m not quite as certain as you are about this, but, if you've been
following these discussions, I've been making this point for sometime as
well, yes.

There may be less apathy about terrestrial radio than you think,
but you're right about the rising popularity of alternatives.

 

wrote:
On Mar 26, 6:10�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
� wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:07?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:58?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:33?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
? ? And let's hope that continues.
? ? Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.
? ? Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.
? ? It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is
mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast
bands are doomed.
? ?If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning,
but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide
listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and
listeners will make the migration.
? ?Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's,
or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening.
? ?That's where the mandate will come from.
? ?Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It
will do what it takes to get there.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
There is no proof that listeners would spend money on expensive HD
Radios. This was tried in Canada, with DAB, but as we can see, it
failed due to lack of consumer interest:
"Digital radio in Canada"
"The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition.
Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only
operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once
operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold,
and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six
cities where it exists. Since DRB transmitters have only been built in
the largest cities, motorists travelling between Quebec and Windsor,
between Calgary and Edmonton, or between Vancouver and south-central
British Columbia lose DRB reception. As a result, automakers have
switched their support from terrestrial DRB to XM/Sirius satellite
radio."
http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com...adio-in-canada....
The same thing is happening in the US - even if manufacturers move
into high-gear, that is not going to force consumers to buy digital
radios. ?Consumers are already moving onto other technologies, and a
digital mandate would only doom the broadcast bands. The probelm with
HD Radio is not lack of distribution, but a lack of consumer up-take.
? ?Yes, I read that. And you make a good point.
? ?The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an
alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting.
? ?If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial
broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or
internet.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
With very few HD radios in hands of consumers, do you really think the
FCC is going to mandate digital radio - that is the point of this
article, to let the marketplace decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
I am confused, as to how you don't see this. Another big problem is
the delicate nature of the IBOC signal - even home table-top models,
with external antennas, have problems picking up HD signals - there is
no way portable and in-dash HD is ever going to work, as advertised.
� �It's not that I don't see it. It's that I see something behind it.
Letting the market decide, is a very nice way of doing beta testing in
the market places on the consumer dime. Precisely because of the
ephemeral nature of the IBOC signal as you describe. I'm not disagreeing
with you there.

� �But you're only seeing the IBOC decision as announced last week.
You're not considering the prior FCC mandate that all future modulation
schemes for broadcast be digital. They're not backing off of that. And
if the marketplace doesn't decide in their favor, there will be a
mandated transition to an all digital scheme.

� �As far as the hardware is concerned...yes, there is not much of it.
And no portables, as of yet. But there are indash systems. And they do
work. Lackluster sales are more a reflection of the lack of urgency on
the part of the public to adopt the new technology. Especially, since
there are still FREE alternatives.

� �If, however, there is a mandate to transition to digital, there will
be a HUGE incentive for manufacturers to develop and produce a wide
spectrum of radios, portable and otherwise, and spend MILLIONS on R&D to
make them work. Why? Because there will be a guaranteed market for the
products. And the public, faced with the coming deadline to convert will
spend the money.

� �They WILL do it.

� �And they WILL do it for the same reasons that they're spending money
on HDTV's...because, in a word, they have to. It's coming, they can't
stop it, and they don't get a choice not to play.

� �An FCC mandate on Digital AM/FM Radio will produce the same impetus.



- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You still don't get it - they can manufacture all the HD Radios they
want, but consumers are not buying !


Actually, I DO get it. If mandate is made, there will be HD sets
sold in volume, because there will be no choice for listeners who wish
to remain with terrestrial radio. You're right. There ARE options. And
there will be more options as time progresses. But there will still be
interest in terrestrial radio.

The precedent is well established. The HDTV example is only the latest.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

D Peter Maus wrote:
labtech1 wrote:
When my Zenith 9S232 (tube type radio) stops receiving broadcast &
shortwave
signals, I'll just stop
listening to those bands. However I think thats a long time in coming,
the
USA may be mandating 'digital'
transmissions, but the rest of the world isn't ( especially third world
countries). So I suspect that my SW listening
will continue for many years.

( and yes I have several other radios ( more modern) that I use, an
FRG-7700, a DX394, an AR5000 etc etc but the old
Zenith has a sound all its own )



Damned straight! And real radios keep you warm at night.

And your coffee warm in the morning.

Drifter...





"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...



Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.



From AllAccess.com



Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."

SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.


What does this have to do with shortwave? Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.

SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.

Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.

Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.

There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'

Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an
alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting.

If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial
broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or
internet.


Internet radio is already being smashed into oblivion by the latest rulings
on royalties for digital content. I suspect that most, if not all, of
Live365's stations (which constitute, to the best of my knowledge, the only
completely legal indy internet stations) will go offline soon, unless that
decision is rethought and changed, as most do not have the money to cover
the retroactive (to January, 2006) doubling of royalty fees.

www.savenetradio.org



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

RHF wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
And let's hope that continues.

Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will :

1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio

2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio

3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio

4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet
for All Tax.

- - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF

Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did !
.
.
. .


and all these years I thought Clear channel was a Bush supporter.

===============================
Clear Channel (WJLB-FM, WKQI-FM, WMXD-FM), Crawford Broadcasting
(WMUZ-FM) and Infinity Broadcasting (WOMC-FM, WVMV-FM ) bought BE FXI
digital FM exciters, FSI10 HD Radio signal generators and HD Radio FMi
transmitters for their respective Detroit stations. Infinity also
purchased BE's ASI10 HD Radio signal generator for WXYT-AM, to be used
in front of an existing 50kW AM transmitter. The FMI transmitters range
in power from 280W to 7kW.

http://beradio.com/currents/radio_currents_072604/
===============================





mike

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote:

Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.

Snip

sarcasm on
Well, what a huge surprise. I never would have thought this possible.
I'm really, really shocked that such a thing is being discussed.
Sarcasm off

Now the real reason to go digital has been publicly revealed.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

Brenda Ann wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an
alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting.

If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial
broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or
internet.


Internet radio is already being smashed into oblivion by the latest rulings
on royalties for digital content. I suspect that most, if not all, of
Live365's stations (which constitute, to the best of my knowledge, the only
completely legal indy internet stations) will go offline soon, unless that
decision is rethought and changed, as most do not have the money to cover
the retroactive (to January, 2006) doubling of royalty fees.

www.savenetradio.org



I know there are already petitions to repeal, vacate, or modify the
decision. As well as several lawsuits filed.

Don't count it out in the long run. And with Wi-fi and mobile
carriers offering internet radio as a sales pitch for their services,
there's going to be some deep pockets involved in moving the courts to
revisit the decision.

It's going to be trouble in the short term, for internet radio, but
long term, it's viability is assured.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

On Mar 26, 7:03 pm, m II wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
And let's hope that continues.

Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will :

1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio

2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio

3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio

4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet
for All Tax.

- - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF

Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did !
.
.
. .

- and all these years I thought Clear channel was a Bush supporter.

===============================
Clear Channel (WJLB-FM, WKQI-FM, WMXD-FM), Crawford Broadcasting
(WMUZ-FM) and Infinity Broadcasting (WOMC-FM, WVMV-FM ) bought BE FXI
digital FM exciters, FSI10 HD Radio signal generators and HD Radio FMi
transmitters for their respective Detroit stations. Infinity also
purchased BE's ASI10 HD Radio signal generator for WXYT-AM, to be used
in front of an existing 50kW AM transmitter. The FMI transmitters range
in power from 280W to 7kW.

http://beradio.com/currents/radio_currents_072604/
===============================

mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mike - As long as you understand that Clear Channel
Spells BU$H with a Dollar Sign. ~ RHF

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

RHF wrote:

Mike - As long as you understand that Clear Channel
Spells BU$H with a Dollar Sign. ~ RHF


I get the distinct impression you are saying that somehow corporate
money and politics are *connected*.

Say it isn't so!




mike