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Global Warming? So What? Remember the Ice Age Scare of the '70's

I do remember;
there was ONE very cold winter; Long Island Sound
in New York State was frozen over.


- But take a look at the sources you quote; Universally journalists.


Yep . This is no coincedence.

Journalists make a living by getting their work
published.. they entertain that's their job. As they say; No one ever
gets a story published by saying " nothings going to happen"


Yep. And I do NOT remember a "cooling scare." And I was taking
Geology at the time. (Climate is HUGE in Geology!)
It was a non-issue at the time.
Sure, some journalists apperently found some climate
stuff to write about, but it was mostly a non-issue, an
unknown to people at the time. I never heard of it.

On 22 Apr 2007, Cato wrote:

And just where were these journalists getting their
info from? Are you saying that Science Digest, Science Magazine, The
Christian Science Monitor, Newsweek, The New York Times, The
Washington Post, Science News, etc. etc. including, yes, teachers in
the schools, were all pulling a "fast one" on everybody back then? It
was all lies?


No, it was a neat little theory without much
evidence that nobody paid much attention to.
....a neat little theory -- not an issue.

Your attempt (ok, not yours, but global warming denialists')
to equate the two is sad at best, but actually it's
more a popular years-old propaganda lie used by Big Oil
et al. But to be fair, your source is the best researched
I've seen in ~15 years. Most only name one or two magazines.
You are also the first to claim academia was in on it.

Hard core anti-intellectualism, huh? Historically, stuff of
genocidal dictators.

Anyway, to quote from the George Will article you plagerized:
=========
Google results about 108 for "Science Digest (February
1973) reported that "the world’s climatologists are agreed""
=========
"Perhaps the problem is big crusading journalism."
--George Will April 3, 2006

Yer ****in up the wrong tree, Cato. At least Geo Will has
some intellectual honesty.

A conspiracy put together by those publications?


Actually it is *YOU* (Geo Will) who patched together a handful
of articles over 20? years to make it sound like
a grand movement. ...and if false, a conspiracy.

Pretty slick, Cato, you get it both ways.

Are
these publications no better then the Weekly World News rag??

If they were all proved to be liars, then they would have been
raked over the coals, their reputations destroyed, and relegated to
the level of cheap supermarket tabloids.


Liars !?
Laugh. Good jounalism often discovers obscure info and
presents it to the public. Now you are bordering on shrill.
Everybody here knows the difference between a pocket full
of magazine articles and actual scientific consensus...thousands
of scientists. Don't push yer luck.

Never happened.


And now we know why, don't we?


Do you realize they were getting there info from.. wait for it...
scientists?


Yes??? Yer point?
could it be....
Uhm....individual scientists are human? Make errors?
And reporters may overstate or rush the hypothesis?

Do you remember this?.....
Fortune magazine actually won a "Science Writing Award" from the
American Institute of Physics for its own analysis of the danger.

"As for the present cooling trend a number of leading climatologists
have concluded that it is very bad news indeed,".... Fortune Magazine,
February, 1974.


"a number??" "a number of leading climatologists" ????

You do understand the concept of "scientific consensus,"
right? As in it's HUGE, -- and "a number of" is almost meaningless?

You do understand that the concept of "scientific consensus"
is the backbone of science itself, right? ...the mortar
which joins all the difference sciences into; "Science?"


That's right..... The American Institute of Physics,
(Scientists), awarded Fortune magazine for what??


Uhm...I'm guessing...now just a wild guess mind you,
but....uhm...?...GOOD SCIENCE ???? grin


Telling us all a
lie?? As if they were not better then the Weekly World News rag???


Sounds to me like you need to learn a little philosophy
and method of science. Good science does not mean
"Word of God," Truth, nor even "scientific consensus."
The award may have been for good inquiry, discovery,
method, or whatever. Learn up on it.

I notice those who distrust science most, understand
it least. (Such as Limbaugh or "Creation Scientists.")

Next, your words come directly from a technique overused
(and invented?)
by Rush Limbaugh for 20 years on every "environmental"
issue from smoking, to ozone, catalytic converter, to
come down the pike. What!? No job loss? Jack booted
environmentalists aint gunna steal yer job, yer house,
yer wife, yer kids, yer freedom, and increase taxes!?

"Environmentalism is funded by the Commies!" -Rush Limbaugh

Global warming proponents are accepting a good financial
income from the global warming scare and have become global warming
propagandists to promote their interests. These include some
researchers who obtain research grants and some environmental
organisations who need donations. They are making a living by
promoting fear of man-made global warming. They have a vested interest
in pulling this scam. And not just because of the money involved, but
also because many of them have political goals that depend on the Man-
Made Global Warming Scare.


In other words, "science can not be trusted."
Truth is unknowable. (So may as well go for simple feelsgoodisms.)
How Mao and Stalin of you guys.

Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic, said in written


Vaclav Klaus !!!! LAUGHINGGGGGGG!!!!!!

testimony that global warming has turned into a religion that has
replaced the ideology of communism and threatens basic freedoms. Mr.
Klaus said the push to curb greenhouse gases would hurt poorer nations
that can't afford modern technology. He compares radical
environmentalists to Marxists, and says initiatives such as the Kyoto
Protocol require enormous costs without any realistic prospect for
success.
Cato


Ah, I knew "sky is falling" had to come sooner or later.
Does anybody actually BUY this crap yer pitching?



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