iBiquity in financial mayhem
 

On Sep 10, 7:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message

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On Sep 10, 12:42 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 at 4:07 PM
Tags:
HD Radio

I'm hearing some very interesting rumors about iBiquity, the company
behind terrestrial radio's savior technology HD Radio (just a little
refresher, the "HD" doesn't actually stand for "high definition" -
funny huh?). Word has it that iBiquity is experiencing so much
financial mayhem that they've stopped all projects, both current and
future, and are regrouping or possibily worse.

Rather than posting messages with vague unsupported claims why don't
you give us the details. Where did you read the rumors, who wrote
them and most importantly what specifically was written (or spoken).

iBiquity is owned by private equity firms and by the major station groups.
It does not put out financials to Wall Street.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Again, the original poster should produce the evidence that IBiquity
is having financial problems. Makes me think whoever is posting as
RFBurns has another agenda. Maybe he has an interest in one of the
third tier competitor companies. Or he's some hack journalist.

I notice he has not responded again under that name.

iBiquity in financial mayhem
 

On Sep 11, 12:17?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:18:00 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:

iBiquity is owned by private equity firms and by the major station groups.
It does not put out financials to Wall Street.

The owners of Ibiquity are publicentities who must account for every
penny. Word gets around. HD is a big flop.

There are two groups who "own" iBiquity.

The first, the private capital investors, expect a return on capital. But
they do not always expect instant returns in the form of dividends, etc., or
the same sector would not invest in startups, genetic research, biomed
companies, etc. They expect that, after a number of years, they can either
take the company public or sell to a larger company. These private equity
investors are, by definition, NOT public entities.

The broadcast investors, in my experience, invested to insure a single
technology would be developed, avoiding the multi-technology disputes that
surrounded the AM stereo debacle. They also wanted a single system for AM
and FM, hoping the developed technology might help "drag up" AM before it
became totally unviable. One can almost look at the radio company
investments as if they were donations or seed capital; no radio company is
expecting a return on these relatively small investments that are, I
believe, all less than $10 million each.

iBiquity is on the ropes and the mad dogs are at their door:

http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html

iBiquity in financial mayhem
 

On Sep 11, 11:14 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"Roadie" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Sep 10, 12:42 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 at 4:07 PM
Tags:
HD Radio

I'm hearing some very interesting rumors about iBiquity, the company
behind terrestrial radio's savior technology HD Radio (just a little
refresher, the "HD" doesn't actually stand for "high definition" -
funny huh?). Word has it that iBiquity is experiencing so much
financial mayhem that they've stopped all projects, both current and
future, and are regrouping or possibily worse.

Rather than posting messages with vague unsupported claims why don't
you give us the details. Where did you read the rumors, who wrote
them and most importantly what specifically was written (or spoken).

iBiquity is owned by private equity firms and by the major station groups.
It does not put out financials to Wall Street.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- Again, the original poster should produce the evidence
- that IBiquity is having financial problems.

- Makes me think whoever is posting as RFBurns
- has another agenda.

- Maybe he has an interest in one of the third tier
- competitor companies.

- Or he's some hack journalist.

- I notice he has not responded again under that name.


Roadie - Oops - Do I Hear A Conspiracy Theory ! ? ! ~ RHF

Could RF Burns and IBOC Crock are Part of a Capitalist Cabal
to sink IBOC Radio and Promote 'other' Completing Voice {Radio}
Technologies via the Internet ? - It Boggles the Mindless !

Then Again . . . Maybe d'Eduardo has a Split-Persona {Non-Grata}
and : DE = RF Burns = IBOC Crock = $ Job Security $ for DE.

wait-a-minute . . . the-plot-thickens - plot, Plot. PLOT !

iBiquity in financial mayhem
 

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:17:27 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


There are two groups who "own" iBiquity.

The first, the private capital investors, expect a return on capital. But
they do not always expect instant returns in the form of dividends, etc., or
the same sector would not invest in startups, genetic research, biomed
companies, etc. They expect that, after a number of years, they can either
take the company public or sell to a larger company. These private equity
investors are, by definition, NOT public entities.

The broadcast investors, in my experience, invested to insure a single
technology would be developed, avoiding the multi-technology disputes that
surrounded the AM stereo debacle. They also wanted a single system for AM
and FM, hoping the developed technology might help "drag up" AM before it
became totally unviable. One can almost look at the radio company
investments as if they were donations or seed capital; no radio company is
expecting a return on these relatively small investments that are, I
believe, all less than $10 million each.

It's still a massive flop.

iBiquity in financial mayhem
 

On Sep 11, 12:17 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:18:00 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:

iBiquity is owned by private equity firms and by the major station groups.
It does not put out financials to Wall Street.

The owners of Ibiquity are publicentities who must account for every
penny. Word gets around. HD is a big flop.

There are two groups who "own" iBiquity.

The first, the private capital investors, expect a return on capital. But
they do not always expect instant returns in the form of dividends, etc., or
the same sector would not invest in startups, genetic research, biomed
companies, etc. They expect that, after a number of years, they can either
take the company public or sell to a larger company. These private equity
investors are, by definition, NOT public entities.

The broadcast investors, in my experience, invested to insure a single
technology would be developed, avoiding the multi-technology disputes that
surrounded the AM stereo debacle. They also wanted a single system for AM
and FM, hoping the developed technology might help "drag up" AM before it
became totally unviable. One can almost look at the radio company
investments as if they were donations or seed capital; no radio company is
expecting a return on these relatively small investments that are, I
believe, all less than $10 million each.

"IBiquity Digital's Make-or-Break Point Approaches" February 2005

"If we had this conversation seven years ago and you were to tell me
that in 2004 this company would still be private and raising funds,
I'd probably have keeled over, said Thomas Uhlman, a managing partner
at iBiquity's largest shareholder, New Venture Partners LLC"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb27.html

iBiquity in financial mayhem
 

On Sep 11, 3:57 pm, RHF wrote:
On Sep 11, 12:37 pm, IBOCcrock wrote:





On Sep 11, 3:14?pm, RHF wrote:

On Sep 11, 11:14 am, Roadie wrote:

On Sep 10, 7:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Roadie" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Sep 10, 12:42 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 at 4:07 PM
Tags:
HD Radio

I'm hearing some very interesting rumors about iBiquity, the company
behind terrestrial radio's savior technology HD Radio (just a little
refresher, the "HD" doesn't actually stand for "high definition" -
funny huh?). Word has it that iBiquity is experiencing so much
financial mayhem that they've stopped all projects, both current and
future, and are regrouping or possibily worse.

Rather than posting messages with vague unsupported claims why don't
you give us the details. Where did you read the rumors, who wrote
them and most importantly what specifically was written (or spoken).

iBiquity is owned by private equity firms and by the major station groups.
It does not put out financials to Wall Street.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- Again, the original poster should produce the evidence
- that IBiquity is having financial problems.

- Makes me think whoever is posting as RFBurns
- has another agenda.

- Maybe he has an interest in one of the third tier
- competitor companies.

- Or he's some hack journalist.

- I notice he has not responded again under that name.

Roadie - Oops - Do I Hear A Conspiracy Theory ! ? ! ~ RHF

Could RF Burns and IBOC Crock are Part of a Capitalist Cabal
to sink IBOC Radio and Promote 'other' Completing Voice {Radio}
Technologies via the Internet ? - It Boggles the Mindless !

Then Again . . . Maybe d'Eduardo has a Split-Persona {Non-Grata}
and : DE = RF Burns = IBOC Crock = $ Job Security $ for DE.

wait-a-minute . . . the-plot-thickens - plot, Plot. PLOT !
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Could RF Burns and IBOC Crock are Part of a Capitalist Cabal
to sink IBOC Radio and Promote 'other' Completing Voice {Radio}
Technologies via the Internet ? - It Boggles the Mindless !"

Just a C++ software engineer and AM DX'er (of sorts) - all I do is
quote other people's articles.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

IBOC - For Everyone's Proper Mental Health
My Mindless Posts Should Be Ignored ~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because my posts tell the truth about this HD Radio farce:

http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/

iBiquity in financial mayhem
 

On Sep 11, 4:04 pm, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 11, 3:14 pm, RHF wrote:





On Sep 11, 11:14 am, Roadie wrote:

On Sep 10, 7:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Roadie" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Sep 10, 12:42 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 at 4:07 PM
Tags:
HD Radio

I'm hearing some very interesting rumors about iBiquity, the company
behind terrestrial radio's savior technology HD Radio (just a little
refresher, the "HD" doesn't actually stand for "high definition" -
funny huh?). Word has it that iBiquity is experiencing so much
financial mayhem that they've stopped all projects, both current and
future, and are regrouping or possibily worse.

Rather than posting messages with vague unsupported claims why don't
you give us the details. Where did you read the rumors, who wrote
them and most importantly what specifically was written (or spoken).

iBiquity is owned by private equity firms and by the major station groups.
It does not put out financials to Wall Street.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- Again, the original poster should produce the evidence
- that IBiquity is having financial problems.

- Makes me think whoever is posting as RFBurns
- has another agenda.

- Maybe he has an interest in one of the third tier
- competitor companies.

- Or he's some hack journalist.

- I notice he has not responded again under that name.

Roadie - Oops - Do I Hear A Conspiracy Theory ! ? ! ~ RHF

Not sure I read conspiracy into that, maybe you can explain where you
see one.

Rfburns is simply a fool spouting off unsupported nonsense about the
financial condition of iBiquity. We can argue about whether HD is
worth going out of ones way to listen to. To me it is about as
unappealing as satellite radio. But there are more than a few radio
stations adding those channels and switching programming over, so it
is achieving some level of success.



Could RF Burns and IBOC Crock are Part of a Capitalist Cabal
to sink IBOC Radio and Promote 'other' Completing Voice {Radio}
Technologies via the Internet ? - It Boggles the Mindless !

Then Again . . . Maybe d'Eduardo has a Split-Persona {Non-Grata}
and : DE = RF Burns = IBOC Crock = $ Job Security $ for DE.

Naw, it's just the usual group of clowns on rec.radio.shortwave
whining on and on about why HD radio is bad. But that's about all it
is - just vague whining and lots of unsupported allegations. If they
could come up with some solid reasons why it won't be a commercial
success and attract listeners I'm sure that would be interesting
reading.

Whether there is enough demand to make HD radio a commercial success
is anyones guess at this point. It may end up like satellite radio
and never generate enough listeners to break even. Somehow HD radio
will have to come up with unique programming to draw listeners away
from traditional radio programming. Satellite radio failed with
tricks like Howard Stern and they are hemmoraging red ink because of
those multi-million dollar contracts. Who knows - maybe extended BBC
programming will draw listeners to HD radio.

The fundamental problem faced by any new mode of radio transmission is
that there is a huge reluctance on the part of listeners to add the
required new hardware and subscribe as in the case of satellite
radio. HD and satellite radio could overcome that reluctance with a
set of programming that is interesting and different. So far they
haven't made their case.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There also something called WiFi/WiMax wireless Internet portable
radio.

iBiquity in financial mayhem
 

On Sep 12, 6:47 am, David wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:17:27 GMT, "David Eduardo"





wrote:
There are two groups who "own" iBiquity.

The first, the private capital investors, expect a return on capital. But
they do not always expect instant returns in the form of dividends, etc., or
the same sector would not invest in startups, genetic research, biomed
companies, etc. They expect that, after a number of years, they can either
take the company public or sell to a larger company. These private equity
investors are, by definition, NOT public entities.

The broadcast investors, in my experience, invested to insure a single
technology would be developed, avoiding the multi-technology disputes that
surrounded the AM stereo debacle. They also wanted a single system for AM
and FM, hoping the developed technology might help "drag up" AM before it
became totally unviable. One can almost look at the radio company
investments as if they were donations or seed capital; no radio company is
expecting a return on these relatively small investments that are, I
believe, all less than $10 million each.

It's still a massive flop.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

David - In Memory of Cuhulin

"flop" like a Pancake

Hummm Pancakes !

http://www.devilfinder.com/ 'pancakes'

~ RHF

iBiquity in financial mayhem
 

On Sep 12, 9:57 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 11, 4:04 pm, Roadie wrote:





On Sep 11, 3:14 pm, RHF wrote:

On Sep 11, 11:14 am, Roadie wrote:

On Sep 10, 7:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Roadie" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Sep 10, 12:42 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 at 4:07 PM
Tags:
HD Radio

I'm hearing some very interesting rumors about iBiquity, the company
behind terrestrial radio's savior technology HD Radio (just a little
refresher, the "HD" doesn't actually stand for "high definition" -
funny huh?). Word has it that iBiquity is experiencing so much
financial mayhem that they've stopped all projects, both current and
future, and are regrouping or possibily worse.

Rather than posting messages with vague unsupported claims why don't
you give us the details. Where did you read the rumors, who wrote
them and most importantly what specifically was written (or spoken).

iBiquity is owned by private equity firms and by the major station groups.
It does not put out financials to Wall Street.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- Again, the original poster should produce the evidence
- that IBiquity is having financial problems.

- Makes me think whoever is posting as RFBurns
- has another agenda.

- Maybe he has an interest in one of the third tier
- competitor companies.

- Or he's some hack journalist.

- I notice he has not responded again under that name.

Roadie - Oops - Do I Hear A Conspiracy Theory ! ? ! ~ RHF

Not sure I read conspiracy into that, maybe you can explain where you
see one.

Rfburns is simply a fool spouting off unsupported nonsense about the
financial condition of iBiquity. We can argue about whether HD is
worth going out of ones way to listen to. To me it is about as
unappealing as satellite radio. But there are more than a few radio
stations adding those channels and switching programming over, so it
is achieving some level of success.

Could RF Burns and IBOC Crock are Part of a Capitalist Cabal
to sink IBOC Radio and Promote 'other' Completing Voice {Radio}
Technologies via the Internet ? - It Boggles the Mindless !

Then Again . . . Maybe d'Eduardo has a Split-Persona {Non-Grata}
and : DE = RF Burns = IBOC Crock = $ Job Security $ for DE.

Naw, it's just the usual group of clowns on rec.radio.shortwave
whining on and on about why HD radio is bad. But that's about all it
is - just vague whining and lots of unsupported allegations. If they
could come up with some solid reasons why it won't be a commercial
success and attract listeners I'm sure that would be interesting
reading.

Whether there is enough demand to make HD radio a commercial success
is anyones guess at this point. It may end up like satellite radio
and never generate enough listeners to break even. Somehow HD radio
will have to come up with unique programming to draw listeners away
from traditional radio programming. Satellite radio failed with
tricks like Howard Stern and they are hemmoraging red ink because of
those multi-million dollar contracts. Who knows - maybe extended BBC
programming will draw listeners to HD radio.

The fundamental problem faced by any new mode of radio transmission is
that there is a huge reluctance on the part of listeners to add the
required new hardware and subscribe as in the case of satellite
radio. HD and satellite radio could overcome that reluctance with a
set of programming that is interesting and different. So far they
haven't made their case.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There also something called WiFi/WiMax wireless Internet portable
radio.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You made this statement:

"Word has it that iBiquity is experiencing so much
financial mayhem that they've stopped all projects, both current and
future, and are regrouping or possibily worse."

Again, please provide support for your statement that they are
experiencing so much financial mayhem that they are stopping all
projects...etc.