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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock
wrote: A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week... I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles, where KGO has many listeners. |
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"David" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock wrote: A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week... I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles, where KGO has many listeners. KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA, and KGO has a 0.0. It has a cume of 5.5 thousand, all of which were away from home listening (which probably means people driving while out of LA. ) |
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On Sep 13, 11:37 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock wrote: A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week... I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles, where KGO has many listeners. KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA, and KGO has a 0.0. It has a cume of 5.5 thousand, all of which were away from home listening (which probably means people driving while out of LA. ) Yeah, but your calculations are always rushed and half-assed because you're busy trying to fill orders for colloidal silver. |
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On Sep 13, 8:37 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock wrote: A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week... I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles, where KGO has many listeners. KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA, and KGO has a 0.0. It has a cume of 5.5 thousand, all of which were away from home listening (which probably means people driving while out of LA. ) Again d'Eduardo in your "World of Sellable Numbers" 5,500 People in the LA Area - DO NOT COUNT ! |
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On Sep 13, 4:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 13, 11:37 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "David" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock wrote: A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week... I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles, where KGO has many listeners. KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA, and KGO has a 0.0. It has a cume of 5.5 thousand, all of which were away from home listening (which probably means people driving while out of LA. ) Yeah, but your calculations are always rushed and half-assed because you're busy trying to fill orders for colloidal silver. Those are not calculations. They are figures right out of Arbitron's Maximi$er software for KGO in the LA MSA for the last 12 months ending June.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, but you're too busy trying to fill colloidal silver orders to pull the right figures off the screen. And you haven't even STARTED on the ginseng orders! |
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"David" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:37:33 GMT, "David Eduardo" wrote: "David" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock wrote: A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week... I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles, where KGO has many listeners. KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA, and KGO has a 0.0. It has a cume of 5.5 thousand, all of which were away from home listening (which probably means people driving while out of LA. ) Your books are the enemy of the craft of radio. There is no "craft" of commercial radio without audience measurement to support the revenue side any more than there is no "craft" of automobile design unless the designs sell cars. KGO has listeners in Los Angeles. I know some of them. I told you there are a few thousand. The #1 station in LA has 2 million. In the overall picture of things, KGO has no listeners in LA... as I told you, the bulk of the diary mentions for KGO (4 in total, on average, for the last 12 months) were "away from home" meaning they were possibly not even in market receptions. I hear others calling into the programs. Probably the same 4 people. You even admit to knowing of 5,500 people who managed to crack your ''books''. Artless bean counters like you killed radio. You suck. We work in a business. And the business model of radio today is 100% based on usage of stations inside our local metro survey area. Out of nearly 5000 AM stations, I doubt even 25 get any revenue from skywave reception, and nearly none get revenue from anything but the local metro on groundwave listening. |
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"David" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:20:23 -0700, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In t posted on Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:37:33 GMT, David Eduardo wrote: Begin KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA, and KGO has a 0.0. That means that 0.0 people took the time to play your ratings game, LA has many KGO listeners as does San Diego. And San Diego has exactly zero. It showed neither in cume nor share. Zero, zip, nada. Your books are useless below a 0.5 share. Actually, you have that totally wrong. If a station has less than about the equivalent of a 0.3 share, Arbitron considers them not to meet Minimum Reporting Standards because they do not appear in enough diaries, with enough time listening, to be considered significant. To Arbitron, anything below the MRS standard is not representative of any real listening and is purely coincidental and not reliable; such stations are not "in the book" to use their term. So any station not appearing in a handful of diaries at least is considered to have zero significant listening and whatever mentions may occur (there are 30,000 diaries for LA in a year) can come from away from home listening or poorly described internet listening or any number of other sources. In LA, a station with a 0.5 share can bill $5 million dollars a year. It's significant. KGO has a 0.0 share. |
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On Sep 15, 11:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Well, I suppose there's no COMMERCIAL service of any kind unless there's profit made. Come to think of it, this is precisely the lesson AM HD broadcasters are about to learn....the hard way. Since there are literally only a handful of non-commercial AMs, this discussion has to be about commercial radio. This is incorrect. The fact that there are currently only a handful of non-commercial AMs does not entail that there could not be a greater number of non-commercial AMs. To discuss not only what AM is but the ways in which it could change in the future is perfectly legitimate. This is precisely the problem with you and the other proponents of AM HD: instead of looking to the future, you instead look to the past. By the way, while you were posting here, more of your listeners expired. Guess the colloidal silver didn't reach 'em in time. "My" listeners have a median age of about 33. None of them are expiring from old age. You obviously don't understand the meaning of "median". |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:10:37 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote: Actually, you are wrong on several counts. First, just the top 50 metro survey areas have 50% of the US population.... and there are 250 more rated markets. Together, the rated metro markets are something like 82% of the US population. 8500 stations are in the top 300 metros, and there are 6,500 serving the rest.... in other words, that 18% outside the metros is many times better served than the metros, based on station count to population ratio. Second, the old 1-As, two dozen in number vs. nearly 14,000 US radio stations, have nothing in the license or the FCC rules requiring them to serve anything other than the community or city of license. Third, there is so little AM listening at night that the opportunity to serve anywhere when few are listening is minimal. The 1-As were created before TV when most radio listening was at night to non-local network shows. Today, TV is the night medium, and there is little interest in night radio. There is no service of any kind unless a reasonable profit can be made. You are a tool and a robot. I am in your so-called ''metro survey area'' but I am way out of the coverage area of all but 2 local stations at night, therefore I am part of the half of the population that lives outside the suburbs. How many people watch TV at night? How many don't? How many of those that don't listen to the radio? How many of those listen to AM radio? Until last night, the flamethrowers ruled the Bohemian airwaves, for people who aren't slaves to the idiot box. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Well, I suppose there's no COMMERCIAL service of any kind unless there's profit made. Come to think of it, this is precisely the lesson AM HD broadcasters are about to learn....the hard way. Since there are literally only a handful of non-commercial AMs, this discussion has to be about commercial radio. By the way, while you were posting here, more of your listeners expired. Guess the colloidal silver didn't reach 'em in time. "My" listeners have a median age of about 33. None of them are expiring from old age. How many are Chifakos? |
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"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 15, 11:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Well, I suppose there's no COMMERCIAL service of any kind unless there's profit made. Come to think of it, this is precisely the lesson AM HD broadcasters are about to learn....the hard way. Since there are literally only a handful of non-commercial AMs, this discussion has to be about commercial radio. This is incorrect. The fact that there are currently only a handful of non-commercial AMs does not entail that there could not be a greater number of non-commercial AMs. To discuss not only what AM is but the ways in which it could change in the future is perfectly legitimate. This is precisely the problem with you and the other proponents of AM HD: instead of looking to the future, you instead look to the past. By the way, while you were posting here, more of your listeners expired. Guess the colloidal silver didn't reach 'em in time. "My" listeners have a median age of about 33. None of them are expiring from old age. You obviously don't understand the meaning of "median". Half are under the median, half are over. Practically none are over 55. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 15, 11:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Well, I suppose there's no COMMERCIAL service of any kind unless there's profit made. Come to think of it, this is precisely the lesson AM HD broadcasters are about to learn....the hard way. Since there are literally only a handful of non-commercial AMs, this discussion has to be about commercial radio. This is incorrect. The fact that there are currently only a handful of non-commercial AMs does not entail that there could not be a greater number of non-commercial AMs. To discuss not only what AM is but the ways in which it could change in the future is perfectly legitimate. This is precisely the problem with you and the other proponents of AM HD: instead of looking to the future, you instead look to the past. By the way, while you were posting here, more of your listeners expired. Guess the colloidal silver didn't reach 'em in time. "My" listeners have a median age of about 33. None of them are expiring from old age. You obviously don't understand the meaning of "median". Half are under the median, half are over. Practically none are over 55. Hmmmmm... 55... isn't that the approximate age you became the Chifako, 'Eduardo'? |
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"David" wrote in message ... You are a tool and a robot. I am in your so-called ''metro survey area'' but I am way out of the coverage area of all but 2 local stations at night, therefore I am part of the half of the population that lives outside the suburbs. Half the population lives in the top 50 Arbitron metros. Just the top 50. And 82% live in the 300 rated markets. I believe that you have mentioned living in or about Canyon Country, CA. You can not get many stations because of terrain obstructions, but you certainly have Internet and other options. How many people watch TV at night? How many don't? How many of those that don't listen to the radio? How many of those listen to AM radio? Of those who are not at work or sleeping in 6 PM to Midnight, virtually all watch TV. On the other hand, less than 7% are listening to radio at night, and less than 1.3% are listening to AM. Until last night, the flamethrowers ruled the Bohemian airwaves, for people who aren't slaves to the idiot box. Bohemia is in Europe, where some nations have decided to simply eliminate AM. |
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On Sep 15, 1:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 15, 11:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message groups.com... Well, I suppose there's no COMMERCIAL service of any kind unless there's profit made. Come to think of it, this is precisely the lesson AM HD broadcasters are about to learn....the hard way. Since there are literally only a handful of non-commercial AMs, this discussion has to be about commercial radio. This is incorrect. The fact that there are currently only a handful of non-commercial AMs does not entail that there could not be a greater number of non-commercial AMs. To discuss not only what AM is but the ways in which it could change in the future is perfectly legitimate. This is precisely the problem with you and the other proponents of AM HD: instead of looking to the future, you instead look to the past. By the way, while you were posting here, more of your listeners expired. Guess the colloidal silver didn't reach 'em in time. "My" listeners have a median age of about 33. None of them are expiring from old age. You obviously don't understand the meaning of "median". Half are under the median, half are over. Practically none are over 55.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even if that is true, it in no way entails that none of them expired while you were making your last post. You may understand the dictionary definition of "median" (we know how fond you are of your dictionaries), but you've obviously not mastered the logic of the term. |
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Steve wrote: On Sep 15, 1:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 15, 11:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message groups.com... Well, I suppose there's no COMMERCIAL service of any kind unless there's profit made. Come to think of it, this is precisely the lesson AM HD broadcasters are about to learn....the hard way. Since there are literally only a handful of non-commercial AMs, this discussion has to be about commercial radio. This is incorrect. The fact that there are currently only a handful of non-commercial AMs does not entail that there could not be a greater number of non-commercial AMs. To discuss not only what AM is but the ways in which it could change in the future is perfectly legitimate. This is precisely the problem with you and the other proponents of AM HD: instead of looking to the future, you instead look to the past. By the way, while you were posting here, more of your listeners expired. Guess the colloidal silver didn't reach 'em in time. "My" listeners have a median age of about 33. None of them are expiring from old age. You obviously don't understand the meaning of "median". Half are under the median, half are over. Practically none are over 55.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even if that is true, it in no way entails that none of them expired while you were making your last post. You may understand the dictionary definition of "median" (we know how fond you are of your dictionaries), but you've obviously not mastered the logic of the term. He's certainly not mastered the logic of Mexican being a nationality rather than a race. |
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On Sep 15, 3:51 pm, dxAce wrote:
Steve wrote: On Sep 15, 1:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 15, 11:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message groups.com... Well, I suppose there's no COMMERCIAL service of any kind unless there's profit made. Come to think of it, this is precisely the lesson AM HD broadcasters are about to learn....the hard way. Since there are literally only a handful of non-commercial AMs, this discussion has to be about commercial radio. This is incorrect. The fact that there are currently only a handful of non-commercial AMs does not entail that there could not be a greater number of non-commercial AMs. To discuss not only what AM is but the ways in which it could change in the future is perfectly legitimate. This is precisely the problem with you and the other proponents of AM HD: instead of looking to the future, you instead look to the past. By the way, while you were posting here, more of your listeners expired. Guess the colloidal silver didn't reach 'em in time. "My" listeners have a median age of about 33. None of them are expiring from old age. You obviously don't understand the meaning of "median". Half are under the median, half are over. Practically none are over 55.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even if that is true, it in no way entails that none of them expired while you were making your last post. You may understand the dictionary definition of "median" (we know how fond you are of your dictionaries), but you've obviously not mastered the logic of the term. He's certainly not mastered the logic of Mexican being a nationality rather than a race.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Logic is Tardo's arch enemy. |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:30:11 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote: Half are under the median, half are over. Practically none are over 55. In other words, they are dullards. |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:43:56 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . You are a tool and a robot. I am in your so-called ''metro survey area'' but I am way out of the coverage area of all but 2 local stations at night, therefore I am part of the half of the population that lives outside the suburbs. Half the population lives in the top 50 Arbitron metros. Just the top 50. And 82% live in the 300 rated markets. I believe that you have mentioned living in or about Canyon Country, CA. You can not get many stations because of terrain obstructions, but you certainly have Internet and other options. How many people watch TV at night? How many don't? How many of those that don't listen to the radio? How many of those listen to AM radio? Of those who are not at work or sleeping in 6 PM to Midnight, virtually all watch TV. On the other hand, less than 7% are listening to radio at night, and less than 1.3% are listening to AM. Until last night, the flamethrowers ruled the Bohemian airwaves, for people who aren't slaves to the idiot box. Bohemia is in Europe, where some nations have decided to simply eliminate AM. 1.3% is 4 million people. Really smart people who enjoy the simple pleasure of listening to good radio. |
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"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 15, 1:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Even if that is true, it in no way entails that none of them expired while you were making your last post. You may understand the dictionary definition of "median" (we know how fond you are of your dictionaries), but you've obviously not mastered the logic of the term. I suppose someone could have died while making the post, but if we are going to count car accidents and heart attacks, then any medium, be it the Internet, WiMax, Radio, TV or talking books could have lost a few users in that time span. Statistically, such occurrences are irrelevant, particularly if you are looking at the audience of 75 radio stations, and a weekly audience approaching 12 million. The median age, that point where half our listeners are younger and half are older (which is all a median point indicates) is about 33 years of age. The bulk are in 18 to 49, with very few, as a percentage, younger or older. Consequently, very few would have died either of old age or, for that matter, crib death. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... He's certainly not mastered the logic of Mexican being a nationality rather than a race. And you do not understand that many words have either various meanings or shades of meaning. In fact, usage defines meaning.... "human race" is technically incorrect... humans are a species, but contemporary usage has made this acceptable. |
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"David" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:43:56 GMT, "David Eduardo" wrote: "David" wrote in message . .. You are a tool and a robot. I am in your so-called ''metro survey area'' but I am way out of the coverage area of all but 2 local stations at night, therefore I am part of the half of the population that lives outside the suburbs. Half the population lives in the top 50 Arbitron metros. Just the top 50. And 82% live in the 300 rated markets. I believe that you have mentioned living in or about Canyon Country, CA. You can not get many stations because of terrain obstructions, but you certainly have Internet and other options. How many people watch TV at night? How many don't? How many of those that don't listen to the radio? How many of those listen to AM radio? Of those who are not at work or sleeping in 6 PM to Midnight, virtually all watch TV. On the other hand, less than 7% are listening to radio at night, and less than 1.3% are listening to AM. Until last night, the flamethrowers ruled the Bohemian airwaves, for people who aren't slaves to the idiot box. Bohemia is in Europe, where some nations have decided to simply eliminate AM. 1.3% is 4 million people. Really smart people who enjoy the simple pleasure of listening to good radio. Considering that nearly everyone has a local station or stations to listen to, and most night AM radio save sports is Coast to Coast drek, it's hard even for me to say night AM radio is much good. Of course, the reason why not much is invested in it has to do with the fact that advertisers like to reach radio audiences in the daytime, and TV viewers at night, so most ads that you hear (except sports) are bonus spots or freebies. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... He's certainly not mastered the logic of Mexican being a nationality rather than a race. And you do not understand that many words have either various meanings or shades of meaning. In fact, usage defines meaning.... "human race" is technically incorrect... humans are a species, but contemporary usage has made this acceptable. The term Chifako will soon become acceptable! It of course describes a jackass who tries to pass himself off as being Hispanic and was of course born in the USA. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... He's certainly not mastered the logic of Mexican being a nationality rather than a race. And you do not understand that many words have either various meanings or shades of meaning. In fact, usage defines meaning.... "human race" is technically incorrect... humans are a species, but contemporary usage has made this acceptable. The term Chifako will soon become acceptable! It of course describes a jackass who tries to pass himself off as being Hispanic and was of course born in the USA. Once again, "Hispanic" is a culture, not a nationality or race. A person immersed for most of their life in a culture becomes part of it. One of the benchmark studies has to do with a child of European origin who somehow was found and raised in a primitive indigenous culture and was, except for skin color and such, 100% of that culture when discovered by explorers. Or, as a cultural anthropologist I knew in Latin America said, "language defines culture. So the language a person swears in when they hit a finger with a hammer or the language they make love in defines their culture better than any indicator." |
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David "Yes, I really blow as 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... He's certainly not mastered the logic of Mexican being a nationality rather than a race. And you do not understand that many words have either various meanings or shades of meaning. In fact, usage defines meaning.... "human race" is technically incorrect... humans are a species, but contemporary usage has made this acceptable. The term Chifako will soon become acceptable! It of course describes a jackass who tries to pass himself off as being Hispanic and was of course born in the USA. Once again, "Hispanic" is a culture, not a nationality or race. A person immersed for most of their life in a culture becomes part of it. So, what you are saying is that you immersed yourself in the culture of pathological lying. Priceless! You go boy! |
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On Sep 15, 4:42 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 15, 1:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Even if that is true, it in no way entails that none of them expired while you were making your last post. You may understand the dictionary definition of "median" (we know how fond you are of your dictionaries), but you've obviously not mastered the logic of the term. I suppose someone could have died while making the post, but if we are going to count car accidents and heart attacks, then any medium, be it the Internet, WiMax, Radio, TV or talking books could have lost a few users in that time span. Sure. They may have gained a few as well. That's precisely my point: there is no relation of entailment. |
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On Sep 15, 4:45 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... He's certainly not mastered the logic of Mexican being a nationality rather than a race. And you do not understand that many words have either various meanings or shades of meaning. In fact, usage defines meaning.... "human race" is technically incorrect... humans are a species, but contemporary usage has made this acceptable. And you do not understand that there is such a thing as the incorrect use of an expression, including the widespread misuse of expressions. Also, previously you were arguing that it's proper to speak of 'race' whenever people share some property in common. Well, surely being human is something that all human beings have in common. So, by your own standards, the human race is precisely that. |
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On Sep 15, 4:57 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... He's certainly not mastered the logic of Mexican being a nationality rather than a race. And you do not understand that many words have either various meanings or shades of meaning. In fact, usage defines meaning.... "human race" is technically incorrect... humans are a species, but contemporary usage has made this acceptable. The term Chifako will soon become acceptable! It of course describes a jackass who tries to pass himself off as being Hispanic and was of course born in the USA. Once again, "Hispanic" is a culture, not a nationality or race. A person immersed for most of their life in a culture becomes part of it. One of the benchmark studies has to do with a child of European origin who somehow was found and raised in a primitive indigenous culture and was, except for skin color and such, 100% of that culture when discovered by explorers. Or, as a cultural anthropologist I knew in Latin America said, "language defines culture. So the language a person swears in when they hit a finger with a hammer or the language they make love in defines their culture better than any indicator."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ah, but by your standards it surely is a race. You are the one who argued that people are of the same race whenever they share some property in common. If, as you say, hispanics share a culture, then.... |
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"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... If, as you say, hispanics share a culture, then.... That is how the OMB defines it, and, thus the Census Bureau. |
(OT) : Today 16 SEPT 2007 is Mexican Independence Day ""El Grito"
RHF wrote: On Sep 15, 12:51 pm, dxAce wrote: Steve wrote: On Sep 15, 1:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 15, 11:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message groups.com... Well, I suppose there's no COMMERCIAL service of any kind unless there's profit made. Come to think of it, this is precisely the lesson AM HD broadcasters are about to learn....the hard way. Since there are literally only a handful of non-commercial AMs, this discussion has to be about commercial radio. This is incorrect. The fact that there are currently only a handful of non-commercial AMs does not entail that there could not be a greater number of non-commercial AMs. To discuss not only what AM is but the ways in which it could change in the future is perfectly legitimate. This is precisely the problem with you and the other proponents of AM HD: instead of looking to the future, you instead look to the past. By the way, while you were posting here, more of your listeners expired. Guess the colloidal silver didn't reach 'em in time. "My" listeners have a median age of about 33. None of them are expiring from old age. You obviously don't understand the meaning of "median". Half are under the median, half are over. Practically none are over 55.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even if that is true, it in no way entails that none of them expired while you were making your last post. You may understand the dictionary definition of "median" (we know how fond you are of your dictionaries), but you've obviously not mastered the logic of the term. He's certainly not mastered the logic of Mexican being a nationality rather than a race.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DX Ace Speaking of "Mexican being a nationality" Today 16 SEPT 2007 is Mexican Independence Day * Grito de Dolores http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grito_de_Dolores * About the Mexican War of Independence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican...f_Independence Mexican Independence Day "El Grito" http://vivasancarlos.com/ind_day.html yeah i heard it on the radio/tb ~ RHF It must be their Racial Independence Day... |
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On Sep 15, 7:59 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... If, as you say, hispanics share a culture, then.... That is how the OMB defines it, and, thus the Census Bureau. Sounds like you need to get your story straight. |
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On Sep 15, 7:59 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... If, as you say, hispanics share a culture, then.... That is how the OMB defines it, and, thus the Census Bureau. This is actually quite funny. Tardo has a great fondness for arguments from authority, since they only require him to cite "authorities" (dictionaries, census bureaus, etc.) as opposed to saying anything more substantive. Now, though, he's trying to justify inconsistency itself by appeal to authorities. I guess if inconsistency is good enough for your precious authorities, it must be good enough for us, huh Tardo? lol |
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"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 15, 7:59 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... If, as you say, hispanics share a culture, then.... That is how the OMB defines it, and, thus the Census Bureau. This is actually quite funny. Tardo has a great fondness for arguments from authority, since they only require him to cite "authorities" (dictionaries, census bureaus, etc.) as opposed to saying anything more substantive. Now, though, he's trying to justify inconsistency itself by appeal to authorities. I guess if inconsistency is good enough for your precious authorities, it must be good enough for us, huh Tardo? lol What is inconsistent? The term "Hispanic" used to mean someone from what was the Roman province of Hispania. Since that was a little used term, when the Census was ordered to break out what we now know as Hispanics before the 1980 Census, there was no term that fit the mandate. Latino includes Brazilians, Portuguese, French, Italians, etc. So the OMB and Census came up with a word that covered persons of the "Hispanic culture" which really is just anyone who speaks as their principal language or comes from a heritage where it was the principal language of Spanish. Of course, even this is a defective term in the sense that many Hispanics' heritage tongue is Náhuatl, Quechua, Aymará, etc. But, it had been impossible to separately enumerate this group before (most were under "white" racially) the term worked. |
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David wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:36:19 -0500, msg wrote: David wrote: What you are doing is driving people away from their radios and toward their computers. People you don't care about anyway, but persons just the same. I wish somebody would make a decent standalone internet radio appliance for under a hundred bucks. You can do that very easily with small handheld wireless computing devices such as the "Zipit Wireless Messenger"; please see my pages at: http://www.cybertheque.org/homebrew/zipit snip I saw the pages but didn't see anything about internet radio. A careful reading and navigation of the few pages will make it clearer. From the development announcement page: http://ipx1.cybertheque.net/homebrew...it-devel.shtml 'fmli' AT&T Form and Menu Language Interpreter; curses-based GUI for screen and keyboard management; it permits the ZipIT to host complex applications not otherwise well suited for the tiny keyboard and limited screen. Please view this example screen shot of a Communications Menu with several submenus (note that the Internet Radio application runs in the background and the user my browse the web with lynx or perform other tasks selected from other menus while listening): FMLI Screen Shot1 FMLI Screen Shot2 , and here is the 'fmli' 'F7' Command Menu with a moonscape wallpaper background: FMLI Screen Shot 3. Regards, Michael |
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That'd be fine to use a wi-fi "radio" but watch "them" figure out a way to
make streaming audio pay only, just like pay websites. I'm rural in Pa. and the whole AM band is shot at night now... IBOC bull**** has to go. Rich What you are doing is driving people away from their radios and toward their computers. People you don't care about anyway, but persons just the same. I wish somebody would make a decent standalone internet radio appliance for under a hundred bucks. |
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On Sep 16, 1:51 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 15, 7:59 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... If, as you say, hispanics share a culture, then.... That is how the OMB defines it, and, thus the Census Bureau. This is actually quite funny. Tardo has a great fondness for arguments from authority, since they only require him to cite "authorities" (dictionaries, census bureaus, etc.) as opposed to saying anything more substantive. Now, though, he's trying to justify inconsistency itself by appeal to authorities. I guess if inconsistency is good enough for your precious authorities, it must be good enough for us, huh Tardo? lol What is inconsistent? The term "Hispanic" used to mean someone from what was the Roman province of Hispania. Since that was a little used term, when the Census was ordered to break out what we now know as Hispanics before the 1980 Census, there was no term that fit the mandate. Latino includes Brazilians, Portuguese, French, Italians, etc. So the OMB and Census came up with a word that covered persons of the "Hispanic culture" which really is just anyone who speaks as their principal language or comes from a heritage where it was the principal language of Spanish. Of course, even this is a defective term in the sense that many Hispanics' heritage tongue is Náhuatl, Quechua, Aymará, etc. But, it had been impossible to separately enumerate this group before (most were under "white" racially) the term worked.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are inconsistent. First, when some posters object that there's a distinction to be drawn between race and nationality, you respond that there is no distinction because two people can be categorized as belonging to the same race anytime they share some characteristic (e.g., nationality) in common. However, when someone later describes Hispanic people as belonging to the same race, it turns out that being Hispanic is not, as a characteristic, sufficient for two people's belonging to the same race. So, it appears you can't make up your mind about whether to employ a very 'thin' notion of race or a substantially thicker one. When pressed on this apparent inconsistency, you seek shelter behind your dictionary and the Census Bureau. Pathetic. |
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"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 16, 1:51 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: What is inconsistent? The term "Hispanic" used to mean someone from what was the Roman province of Hispania. Since that was a little used term, when the Census was ordered to break out what we now know as Hispanics before the 1980 Census, there was no term that fit the mandate. Latino includes Brazilians, Portuguese, French, Italians, etc. So the OMB and Census came up with a word that covered persons of the "Hispanic culture" which really is just anyone who speaks as their principal language or comes from a heritage where it was the principal language of Spanish. Of course, even this is a defective term in the sense that many Hispanics' heritage tongue is Náhuatl, Quechua, Aymará, etc. But, it had been impossible to separately enumerate this group before (most were under "white" racially) the term worked.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are inconsistent. First, when some posters object that there's a distinction to be drawn between race and nationality, you respond that there is no distinction because two people can be categorized as belonging to the same race anytime they share some characteristic (e.g., nationality) in common. However, when someone later describes Hispanic people as belonging to the same race, it turns out that being Hispanic is not, as a characteristic, sufficient for two people's belonging to the same race. Thsat is because "Hispanic" has no common characteristics save language use or heritage, and even there inconsistencies are found. Hispanic is not a nationality, an ethnicity nor is it, under any standard definition, a race. What common characteristic does an English speaking Tejano have with someone from Buenos Aires... or either of them with a Quechua-speaking indigenous person from Otavalo, Ecuador? The usage by some US Hispanics of "raza" means (from the additonal Spanish definitions... it is, after all. a Spanish word) "brotherhood " or "people." There is a commonality there of language, origin, ethnicity and even (mixed) racial characteristics. But to say all Hispanics are a race is patently absurd. So, it appears you can't make up your mind about whether to employ a very 'thin' notion of race or a substantially thicker one. When pressed on this apparent inconsistency, you seek shelter behind your dictionary and the Census Bureau. Pathetic. In the US, the Census defined the term "Hispanic" by taking a little-used term and adding a meaning. For all practical purposes, it is a neologism, like the contemporary "downsize" term applied to layoffs or the word "crib" used to indicate abode. Language is dynamic, of course, and such changes are why dictionaries have new editions constantly. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 16, 1:51 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: What is inconsistent? The term "Hispanic" used to mean someone from what was the Roman province of Hispania. Since that was a little used term, when the Census was ordered to break out what we now know as Hispanics before the 1980 Census, there was no term that fit the mandate. Latino includes Brazilians, Portuguese, French, Italians, etc. So the OMB and Census came up with a word that covered persons of the "Hispanic culture" which really is just anyone who speaks as their principal language or comes from a heritage where it was the principal language of Spanish. Of course, even this is a defective term in the sense that many Hispanics' heritage tongue is Náhuatl, Quechua, Aymará, etc. But, it had been impossible to separately enumerate this group before (most were under "white" racially) the term worked.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are inconsistent. First, when some posters object that there's a distinction to be drawn between race and nationality, you respond that there is no distinction because two people can be categorized as belonging to the same race anytime they share some characteristic (e.g., nationality) in common. However, when someone later describes Hispanic people as belonging to the same race, it turns out that being Hispanic is not, as a characteristic, sufficient for two people's belonging to the same race. Thsat is because "Hispanic" has no common characteristics save language use or heritage, and even there inconsistencies are found. Hispanic is not a nationality, an ethnicity nor is it, under any standard definition, a race. What common characteristic does an English speaking Tejano have with someone from Buenos Aires... or either of them with a Quechua-speaking indigenous person from Otavalo, Ecuador? The usage by some US Hispanics of "raza" means (from the additonal Spanish definitions... it is, after all. a Spanish word) "brotherhood " or "people." There is a commonality there of language, origin, ethnicity and even (mixed) racial characteristics. But to say all Hispanics are a race is patently absurd. Patently absurd... just like you, Chifako! Prance along. |
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RHF wrote:
snip -WRT- Zipit Wireless Messenger - Out-of-the-Box does it work as a Plug-and-Play Stand-A-Lone Web-Radio ? Out of the box, with the latest firmware from the manufacturer, it has a proprietary audio player for use with a proprietary program to be run an a user's PC which streams audio to the Zipit. The hacking described on my pages (and other hacks from elsewhere) permit using the hardware as a general-purpose platform; I have implemented an IP Radio and other programs using software that I have written and software from other closed and open source projects. Regards, Michael |
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