Nighttime AM HD
 

Well, the band is full of HD hiss at night ; and not every HD station
is on HD yet!

In Central Ohio, I left my trusty Sangean HDT1 seeking a HD station, and
it didn't find any. Yet they're audible all over, on a regular radio ;
even very strong ones.

Verdict : you can't hear any HD radio in HD at night, but they're on all over
for the benefit of ordinary listeners, the hiss being better programming
perhaps. Or maybe it's to drive you to some other band that's more
profitable. The commercial profit is in jamming.
--


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

Nighttime AM HD
 

"Ron Hardin" wrote in message
...
Well, the band is full of HD hiss at night ; and not every HD station
is on HD yet!

In Central Ohio, I left my trusty Sangean HDT1 seeking a HD station, and
it didn't find any. Yet they're audible all over, on a regular radio ;
even very strong ones.

Verdict : you can't hear any HD radio in HD at night, but they're on all
over
for the benefit of ordinary listeners, the hiss being better programming
perhaps. Or maybe it's to drive you to some other band that's more
profitable. The commercial profit is in jamming.
--


Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 17, 5:47 am, Ron Hardin wrote:
Well, the band is full of HD hiss at night ; and not every HD station
is on HD yet!

In Central Ohio, I left my trusty Sangean HDT1 seeking a HD station, and
it didn't find any. Yet they're audible all over, on a regular radio ;
even very strong ones.

Verdict : you can't hear any HD radio in HD at night, but they're on all over
for the benefit of ordinary listeners, the hiss being better programming
perhaps. Or maybe it's to drive you to some other band that's more
profitable. The commercial profit is in jamming.
--


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

HD Radio is nothing but a farce!

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 17, 6:57 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Ron Hardin" wrote in message

...

Well, the band is full of HD hiss at night ; and not every HD station
is on HD yet!

In Central Ohio, I left my trusty Sangean HDT1 seeking a HD station, and
it didn't find any. Yet they're audible all over, on a regular radio ;
even very strong ones.

Verdict : you can't hear any HD radio in HD at night, but they're on all
over
for the benefit of ordinary listeners, the hiss being better programming
perhaps. Or maybe it's to drive you to some other band that's more
profitable. The commercial profit is in jamming.
--

Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

I have a feeling that is going to happen in general, especially with
AM-HD causing massive problems.

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 17, 6:57 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Ron Hardin" wrote in message

...

Well, the band is full of HD hiss at night ; and not every HD station
is on HD yet!

In Central Ohio, I left my trusty Sangean HDT1 seeking a HD station, and
it didn't find any. Yet they're audible all over, on a regular radio ;
even very strong ones.

Verdict : you can't hear any HD radio in HD at night, but they're on all
over
for the benefit of ordinary listeners, the hiss being better programming
perhaps. Or maybe it's to drive you to some other band that's more
profitable. The commercial profit is in jamming.
--

Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

I'm more inclined to go the internet "radio" route myself, especially
since I do most of my listening at home and not when I'm on the run. I
certainly agree with Ron's remarks above, though. What a train wreck!
I pulled out the old SW77 last night and basically heard a few
powerhouse locals against a background of solid hiss and buzz. The
hiss all by itself was enough to peg the S-meter on the 77.

Nighttime AM HD
 

RHF wrote:

On Sep 17, 2:47 am, Ron Hardin wrote:
Well, the band is full of HD hiss at night ; and not every HD station
is on HD yet!

In Central Ohio, I left my trusty Sangean HDT1 seeking a HD station, and
it didn't find any. Yet they're audible all over, on a regular radio ;
even very strong ones.

Verdict : you can't hear any HD radio in HD at night, but they're on all over
for the benefit of ordinary listeners, the hiss being better programming
perhaps. Or maybe it's to drive you to some other band that's more
profitable. The commercial profit is in jamming.
--


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

RH,

Does your poor {none} Nightime "HD" Radio reception problems
and comments apply to AM/MW "HD" Radio 'only' ?

-Or- Are you experiencing this with FM "HD" Radio
reception at Night too ?

-If- What you describe is generally true for AM/MW Radio
then there may be No Benefit for AM/MW Radio Stations
to have their IBOC Operations extend beyond Daylight
Hours and then; at least the Nights would be IBOC Free.

~ RHF
.

Yes, the AM band. Nothing good on FM either, programwise, now that Imus
is gone ; one of the FM stations put Imus on a HD channel.
--


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 17, 6:57 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

You're gonna pay for radio?!!! Sucka!

I'd rather take the money I'd save on pay-radio and instead spend it
on records, tapes, CDs and replacement diamonds for my hi-fi. :)

And then there are always the hundreds of Internet audio feeds going
on if I don't want to "spin my own".

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

Nighttime AM HD
 

In article ,
Ron Hardin wrote:

Well, the band is full of HD hiss at night ; and not every HD station
is on HD yet!

In Central Ohio, I left my trusty Sangean HDT1 seeking a HD station, and
it didn't find any. Yet they're audible all over, on a regular radio ;
even very strong ones.

Verdict : you can't hear any HD radio in HD at night, but they're on all over
for the benefit of ordinary listeners, the hiss being better programming
perhaps. Or maybe it's to drive you to some other band that's more
profitable. The commercial profit is in jamming.

You gotta be kidding.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Nighttime AM HD
 

In article . com,
Steve wrote:

On Sep 17, 6:57 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Ron Hardin" wrote in message

...

Well, the band is full of HD hiss at night ; and not every HD station
is on HD yet!

In Central Ohio, I left my trusty Sangean HDT1 seeking a HD station, and
it didn't find any. Yet they're audible all over, on a regular radio ;
even very strong ones.

Verdict : you can't hear any HD radio in HD at night, but they're on all
over
for the benefit of ordinary listeners, the hiss being better programming
perhaps. Or maybe it's to drive you to some other band that's more
profitable. The commercial profit is in jamming.
--

Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

I'm more inclined to go the internet "radio" route myself, especially
since I do most of my listening at home and not when I'm on the run. I
certainly agree with Ron's remarks above, though. What a train wreck!
I pulled out the old SW77 last night and basically heard a few
powerhouse locals against a background of solid hiss and buzz. The
hiss all by itself was enough to peg the S-meter on the 77.

It is about half the band here. Worst affected for me do far is KOH out
of Nevada to which I used to listen to several programs on in the
evenings. It only half the band because only some stations are
broadcasting IBOC at night. If they all were the whole band would be
trash.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Nighttime AM HD
 

If you think that Digital radio is a crock of shi+ just wait till
regular
Analog TV Broadcasting shuts down once and for all in 2008 or 2009
and all those folks who still use rabbit-ears find out their TV sets
are now utterly useless unless they pay $50 for a converter box.

Looks like we've come full circle! I can remember UHF converter boxes
on TV sets in the 50's and 60's - except they worked! I know many
people who've tried getting digital TV on an antenna and almost
all of them had nothing but problems.

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 17, 11:43 pm, I.P. Yurin
wrote:

Good strategy. But also note that you can RECORD pay radio and make
lots of cheap tapes and CDs. Burn a couple of CDs per month and
satellite radio can pay for itself. (1 retail CD == 1 month of sat.
radio.)

Good point. And the same can be done with Cable TV's Music Choice
service. Hook up a tape deck to the audio outs of the cable box and
you're in business.


And what... you DON'T pay a monthly subscription for your internet
access???

Well, technically I don't. My husband pays for it because he's the
computer geek. ;)

Many people I've met have your same, odd attitude. And the
contradiction continues to puzzle me: why do you recoil at paying for
radio but happily accept paying for net access?

It's always been a fact of life that you have to pay for Internet
access and telephone service.

Radio was originally designed to be a free service. You buy the
receiver and once you finish paying it off, you don't have to keep
paying to receive the service.


The whole "radio/tv should be free and other media should not be" is
just a big headscratcher to those of us who try to approach life
logically.

Again, the whole idea of radio BROADCASTING was that it was supposed
to be a free service (cost of radio aside), not something where you
had to pay a monthly fee. Even in countries where you have to pay a
licence fee, you can get away with not paying it and still receive the
radio waves.

Which borough? (I'm also in NYC)

Manhattan.

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

Nighttime AM HD
 

In article , I.P. Yurin
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:41:17 -0000, Stephanie Weil
wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:57 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

You're gonna pay for radio?!!! Sucka!

I'd rather take the money I'd save on pay-radio and instead spend it
on records, tapes, CDs and replacement diamonds for my hi-fi. :)

Good strategy. But also note that you can RECORD pay radio and make
lots of cheap tapes and CDs. Burn a couple of CDs per month and
satellite radio can pay for itself. (1 retail CD == 1 month of sat.
radio.)


And then there are always the hundreds of Internet audio feeds going
on if I don't want to "spin my own".


And what... you DON'T pay a monthly subscription for your internet
access???

Many people I've met have your same, odd attitude. And the
contradiction continues to puzzle me: why do you recoil at paying for
radio but happily accept paying for net access?

Because Radio & TV in the US is nothing but one long commercial. The
internet (at this point in time) offers a great deal more than that. I
do not pay for TV access. No cable. No satellite. No thanks.



The whole "radio/tv should be free and other media should not be" is
just a big headscratcher to those of us who try to approach life
logically.

I laugh at people who wear "logowear". Is your self-esteem so low that
you pay for the privilege of advertising your favorite sweatshop owner?



Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

Which borough? (I'm also in NYC)

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 18, 5:15?pm, Steve wrote:
On Sep 18, 3:46 pm, JoanD'arcRoast wrote:





In article , I.P. Yurin

wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:41:17 -0000, Stephanie Weil
wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:57 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

You're gonna pay for radio?!!! Sucka!

I'd rather take the money I'd save on pay-radio and instead spend it
on records, tapes, CDs and replacement diamonds for my hi-fi. :)

Good strategy. But also note that you can RECORD pay radio and make
lots of cheap tapes and CDs. Burn a couple of CDs per month and
satellite radio can pay for itself. (1 retail CD == 1 month of sat.
radio.)

And then there are always the hundreds of Internet audio feeds going
on if I don't want to "spin my own".

And what... you DON'T pay a monthly subscription for your internet
access???

Many people I've met have your same, odd attitude. And the
contradiction continues to puzzle me: why do you recoil at paying for
radio but happily accept paying for net access?

Because Radio & TV in the US is nothing but one long commercial. The
internet (at this point in time) offers a great deal more than that. I
do not pay for TV access. No cable. No satellite. No thanks.

The whole "radio/tv should be free and other media should not be" is
just a big headscratcher to those of us who try to approach life
logically.

I laugh at people who wear "logowear". Is your self-esteem so low that
you pay for the privilege of advertising your favorite sweatshop owner?

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

Which borough? (I'm also in NYC)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I tend to agree with you here. I'll never enjoy the internet the way I
used to enjoy AM/MW radio, but the internet will at least let me
listen to most, if not all, of the stations I enjoyed prior to AM
IBOC. If the AM broadcast band really is history, and I'm more and
more thinking that it is, then streaming audio via the internet seems
like the way to go.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Isn't it amazing that just to jam adjacent, smaller broadcasters off
the dial, that the HD Radio Alliance's own stations are jamming each
other! The broadcast industry must be full of morons - I've heard that
it IS full of alcoholics.

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 18, 8:12 pm, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 18, 5:15?pm, Steve wrote:





On Sep 18, 3:46 pm, JoanD'arcRoast wrote:

In article , I.P. Yurin

wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:41:17 -0000, Stephanie Weil
wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:57 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

You're gonna pay for radio?!!! Sucka!

I'd rather take the money I'd save on pay-radio and instead spend it
on records, tapes, CDs and replacement diamonds for my hi-fi. :)

Good strategy. But also note that you can RECORD pay radio and make
lots of cheap tapes and CDs. Burn a couple of CDs per month and
satellite radio can pay for itself. (1 retail CD == 1 month of sat.
radio.)

And then there are always the hundreds of Internet audio feeds going
on if I don't want to "spin my own".

And what... you DON'T pay a monthly subscription for your internet
access???

Many people I've met have your same, odd attitude. And the
contradiction continues to puzzle me: why do you recoil at paying for
radio but happily accept paying for net access?

Because Radio & TV in the US is nothing but one long commercial. The
internet (at this point in time) offers a great deal more than that. I
do not pay for TV access. No cable. No satellite. No thanks.

The whole "radio/tv should be free and other media should not be" is
just a big headscratcher to those of us who try to approach life
logically.

I laugh at people who wear "logowear". Is your self-esteem so low that
you pay for the privilege of advertising your favorite sweatshop owner?

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

Which borough? (I'm also in NYC)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I tend to agree with you here. I'll never enjoy the internet the way I
used to enjoy AM/MW radio, but the internet will at least let me
listen to most, if not all, of the stations I enjoyed prior to AM
IBOC. If the AM broadcast band really is history, and I'm more and
more thinking that it is, then streaming audio via the internet seems
like the way to go.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Isn't it amazing that just to jam adjacent, smaller broadcasters off
the dial, that the HD Radio Alliance's own stations are jamming each
other! The broadcast industry must be full of morons - I've heard that
it IS full of alcoholics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't know if they're alcoholics, but if Tardo is any indication
they're certainly morons.

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 18, 9:05 pm, Steve wrote:
On Sep 18, 8:12 pm, IBOCcrock wrote:





On Sep 18, 5:15?pm, Steve wrote:

On Sep 18, 3:46 pm, JoanD'arcRoast wrote:

In article , I.P. Yurin

wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:41:17 -0000, Stephanie Weil
wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:57 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

You're gonna pay for radio?!!! Sucka!

I'd rather take the money I'd save on pay-radio and instead spend it
on records, tapes, CDs and replacement diamonds for my hi-fi. :)

Good strategy. But also note that you can RECORD pay radio and make
lots of cheap tapes and CDs. Burn a couple of CDs per month and
satellite radio can pay for itself. (1 retail CD == 1 month of sat.
radio.)

And then there are always the hundreds of Internet audio feeds going
on if I don't want to "spin my own".

And what... you DON'T pay a monthly subscription for your internet
access???

Many people I've met have your same, odd attitude. And the
contradiction continues to puzzle me: why do you recoil at paying for
radio but happily accept paying for net access?

Because Radio & TV in the US is nothing but one long commercial. The
internet (at this point in time) offers a great deal more than that. I
do not pay for TV access. No cable. No satellite. No thanks.

The whole "radio/tv should be free and other media should not be" is
just a big headscratcher to those of us who try to approach life
logically.

I laugh at people who wear "logowear". Is your self-esteem so low that
you pay for the privilege of advertising your favorite sweatshop owner?

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

Which borough? (I'm also in NYC)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I tend to agree with you here. I'll never enjoy the internet the way I
used to enjoy AM/MW radio, but the internet will at least let me
listen to most, if not all, of the stations I enjoyed prior to AM
IBOC. If the AM broadcast band really is history, and I'm more and
more thinking that it is, then streaming audio via the internet seems
like the way to go.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Isn't it amazing that just to jam adjacent, smaller broadcasters off
the dial, that theHD RadioAlliance's own stations are jamming each
other! The broadcast industry must be full of morons - I've heard that
it IS full of alcoholics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't know if they're alcoholics, but if Tardo is any indication
they're certainly morons.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"NAB TO DISTRIBUTE GUIDEBOOK FOR NATIONAL ALCOHOL AND DRUG ADDICTION
RECOVERY MONTH"

http://www.nab.org/AM/Template.cfm?S...entDisplay.cfm

Yup - alcoholics!

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:41:17 -0000, Stephanie Weil
wrote:

On Sep 17, 6:57 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

You're gonna pay for radio?!!! Sucka!

I'd rather take the money I'd save on pay-radio and instead spend it
on records, tapes, CDs and replacement diamonds for my hi-fi. :)

And then there are always the hundreds of Internet audio feeds going
on if I don't want to "spin my own".

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

You pay for radio every time you buy name brand crap at the store. At
least with satellite radio you don't have to pay to be insulted while
they're picking your pocket.

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 19, 9:52 am, David wrote:

You pay for radio every time you buy name brand crap at the store. At
least with satellite radio you don't have to pay to be insulted while
they're picking your pocket.

Some channels on both Sirius and XM have commercials. I believe it's
only some of the music channels that are totally commercial free. But
the talk stuff? Oh yeah, that has spots. And you're paying to hear
those....

Stephanie Weil
New York City, NY

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 19, 6:52 am, David wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:41:17 -0000, Stephanie Weil





wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:57 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

Were I at home now, I would give up on commercial radio, and spend the
paltry sum on XM or Sirius.. at least they program for more than the status
quo.

You're gonna pay for radio?!!! Sucka!

I'd rather take the money I'd save on pay-radio and instead spend it
on records, tapes, CDs and replacement diamonds for my hi-fi. :)

And then there are always the hundreds of Internet audio feeds going
on if I don't want to "spin my own".

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

You pay for radio every time you buy name brand crap at the store. At
least with satellite radio you don't have to pay to be insulted while
they're picking your pocket.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

David - Hello Can I Get A "Reality Check" ! ? ! ?

For Any Product or Service in most of the World
that you buy "You Pay" for the Cost of Advertising.
- - - Be It Print Media or Electronic Media

* Free Radio is just a 'by-product' of the overall scheme
of Commercial Advertising in a Consumer Focused
Market Place. {Capitalism At Work}

That's A Fact Jack {David} ~ RHF

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 19, 10:01 pm, David wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:34:34 -0700, RHF
wrote:

David - Hello Can I Get A "Reality Check" ! ? ! ?

For Any Product or Service in most of the World
that you buy "You Pay" for the Cost of Advertising.
- - - Be It Print Media or Electronic Media

* Free Radio is just a 'by-product' of the overall scheme
of Commercial Advertising in a Consumer Focused
Market Place. {Capitalism At Work}

That's A Fact Jack {David} ~ RHF
.

''Brand name'' products are the same as store brand products. The
only difference is the fact that they are hyped and you are a monkey.

David - And when that Store Advertises :
You Pay Directly or Indirectly for each
Brand Name and Store Brand Item. ~ RHF

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 18, 10:37 am, Stephanie Weil wrote:
On Sep 17, 11:43 pm, I.P. Yurin
wrote:

Good strategy. But also note that you can RECORD pay radio and make
lots of cheap tapes and CDs. Burn a couple of CDs per month and
satellite radio can pay for itself. (1 retail CD == 1 month of sat.
radio.)

Good point. And the same can be done with Cable TV's Music Choice
service. Hook up a tape deck to the audio outs of the cable box and
you're in business.

And what... you DON'T pay a monthly subscription for your internet
access???

Well, technically I don't. My husband pays for it because he's the
computer geek. ;)

Many people I've met have your same, odd attitude. And the
contradiction continues to puzzle me: why do you recoil at paying for
radio but happily accept paying for net access?

It's always been a fact of life that you have to pay for Internet
access and telephone service.

Radio was originally designed to be a free service. You buy the
receiver and once you finish paying it off, you don't have to keep
paying to receive the service.

The whole "radio/tv should be free and other media should not be" is
just a big headscratcher to those of us who try to approach life
logically.

Again, the whole idea of radio BROADCASTING was that it was supposed
to be a free service (cost of radio aside), not something where you
had to pay a monthly fee. Even in countries where you have to pay a
licence fee, you can get away with not paying it and still receive the
radio waves.

Which borough? (I'm also in NYC)

Manhattan.

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

Brooklyn here!

Steve

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:30:03 -0700, RHF
wrote:


David - And when that Store Advertises :
You Pay Directly or Indirectly for each
Brand Name and Store Brand Item. ~ RHF
.
Generic store advertising doesn't add 20% to the cost of a product.

Nighttime AM HD
 

On Sep 20, 6:52 am, David wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:30:03 -0700, RHF
wrote:



David - And when that Store Advertises :
You Pay Directly or Indirectly for each
Brand Name and Store Brand Item. ~ RHF
.

- Generic store advertising doesn't add 20% to the cost of a product.

David - Most Likely Very True. ~ RHF