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Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and
the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. The FCC says - "let the market decide". The market did decide by little or no need for HD but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. It's over. jw |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. The FCC says - "let the market decide". The market did decide by little or no need for HD but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. It's over. jw You may be right, though I will say that the destructive effects of nighttime IBOC are much more noticeable (and horrible) than I ever anticipated. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 18, 9:27 am, Rfburns wrote:
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. - The FCC says - "let the market decide". RF Burns - The Market Place Is The Answer -and- The Market Place Is The Local Advertisers READ : Fighting IBOC Digital Noise and Interference : The "Local" Radio Advertisers Are The Answer. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f8ad97f397c501 - The market did decide by little or no need for HD - but that was just a smoke screen because you - get it anyway. - - It's over. - - jw I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. The FCC says - "let the market decide". The market did decide by little or no need for HD but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. It's over. jw It's not over: "4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio" http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm The end may be near: http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 18, 4:39?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
IBOCcrock wrote: On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. The FCC says - "let the market decide". The market did decide by little or no need for HD but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. It's over. jw It's not over: "4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio" http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm The end may be near: http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html While, God I hope you're right, don't count on IBOC going away anytime soon. There's been a LOT of money spent, and a huge effort put into this technology. No one is going to let this go easily. And RADIO, often being its own worst enemy, especially, will hang onto this until there is nothing left. By the time AM Stereo was implemented, it was nearly DOA. And yet, it took nearly 20 years for it to go away. And, though, noone has that kind of patience, today, you can expect AM IBOC to linger long after the AM Band is dead, dead, dead. RADIO is determined that there will be a digital solution to both its problems and its non-problems come Hell or high water. No one wants to see this horse**** go away more than I do, but as you've witnessed here, radio people can be stubborn.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No offense, but you need to do more research. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... By the time AM Stereo was implemented, it was nearly DOA. And yet, it took nearly 20 years for it to go away. And, though, noone has that kind of patience, today, you can expect AM IBOC to linger long after the AM Band is dead, dead, dead. AMS didn't prevent anyone from listening to their favorite radio station, and there were many of us out here that enjoyed it a great deal. DX listening in AMS was actually quite robust. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
Brenda Ann wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... By the time AM Stereo was implemented, it was nearly DOA. And yet, it took nearly 20 years for it to go away. And, though, noone has that kind of patience, today, you can expect AM IBOC to linger long after the AM Band is dead, dead, dead. AMS didn't prevent anyone from listening to their favorite radio station, and there were many of us out here that enjoyed it a great deal. DX listening in AMS was actually quite robust. I"m aware of that. And I was among that number. But that's not the point...the point was, that AMS was nearly DOA, and STILL managed to hang on for 20 years, despite listener apathy. IBOC won't die easily. It may die. But it won't go down without quite a fight. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas. the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD radios. The FCC says - "let the market decide". Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments. The market did decide by little or no need for HD Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need for HD radio. HD radio has really only just become widely available. but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen. It's over. At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The programming on HD radio has the potential to be about as interesting as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much. HD radio does not have an added listening fee which is a minor benfit. jw |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas. the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find anHD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD radios. The FCC says - "let the market decide". Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments. The market did decide by little or no need for HD Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need forHD radio. HD radiohas really only just become widely available. but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen. It's over. At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The programming onHD radiohas the potential to be about as interesting as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much.HD radiodoes not have an added listening fee which is a minor benfit. jw- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Eduardo! http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:
Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not enough advertising income). The only things these people have for radio entertainment are the distant stations. Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 18, 4:39 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
IBOCcrock wrote: On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. The FCC says - "let the market decide". The market did decide by little or no need for HD but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. It's over. jw It's not over: "4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio" http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm The end may be near: http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html While, God I hope you're right, don't count onIBOCgoing away anytime soon. There's been a LOT of money spent, and a huge effort put into this technology. No one is going to let this go easily. And RADIO, often being its own worst enemy, especially, will hang onto this until there is nothing left. By the time AM Stereo was implemented, it was nearly DOA. And yet, it took nearly 20 years for it to go away. And, though, noone has that kind of patience, today, you can expect AMIBOCto linger long after the AM Band is dead, dead, dead. RADIO is determined that there will be a digital solution to both its problems and its non-problems come Hell or high water. No one wants to see this horse**** go away more than I do, but as you've witnessed here, radio people can be stubborn.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "RADIO is determined that there will be a digital solution to both its problems and its non-problems come Hell or high water." DAB is stalling in the UK, DAB has stalled in Canada. As consumers continue to shunn HD Radio, and broadcasters realize that IBUZZ has driven away a good-part of listeners, they will have to turn off IBUZZ, at some point. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas. the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD radios. The FCC says - "let the market decide". Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments. The market did decide by little or no need for HD Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need for HD radio. HD radio has really only just become widely available. but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen. It's over. At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The programming on HD radio has the potential to be about as interesting as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much. HD radio does not have an added listening fee which is a minor benfit. jw- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wireless WiFi/WiMAx Internet Radio will kill terrestrial/HD Radio. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 18, 4:39 pm, D Peter Maus wrote: IBOCcrock wrote: On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. The FCC says - "let the market decide". The market did decide by little or no need for HD but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. It's over. jw It's not over: "4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio" http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm The end may be near: http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html While, God I hope you're right, don't count onIBOCgoing away anytime soon. There's been a LOT of money spent, and a huge effort put into this technology. No one is going to let this go easily. And RADIO, often being its own worst enemy, especially, will hang onto this until there is nothing left. By the time AM Stereo was implemented, it was nearly DOA. And yet, it took nearly 20 years for it to go away. And, though, noone has that kind of patience, today, you can expect AMIBOCto linger long after the AM Band is dead, dead, dead. RADIO is determined that there will be a digital solution to both its problems and its non-problems come Hell or high water. No one wants to see this horse**** go away more than I do, but as you've witnessed here, radio people can be stubborn.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "RADIO is determined that there will be a digital solution to both its problems and its non-problems come Hell or high water." DAB is stalling in the UK, DAB has stalled in Canada. As consumers continue to shunn HD Radio, and broadcasters realize that IBUZZ has driven away a good-part of listeners, they will have to turn off IBUZZ, at some point. Don't count on it. We're not talking about DAB in the UK and Canada, where decisions about implementation and development are made by the government. We're talking about terrestrial broadcasting in the US, where the most vibrant force is the market. Most people are not aware that the Powell FCC mandated that all future modulation schemes would be DIGITAL. For all media. And that analog was in its sunset years. Nowhere does it say what those schemes would be. Only that they be digital. IBOC fullfils that criterion. This will NOT die easily. You're correct that there's little to no public interest. And that FCC has also mandated that there will be a marketplace solution to the issue. But that doesn't mean that IBOC is in a buy or die circumstance. It means that whatever is to come will be determined by market forces. Within THAT context, both Radio an iBiquity could continue to modify, evolve and reinvent IBOC applications, technical solutions, and marketing solutions until things catch fire. You need to consider that there has been an astonishing amount of money spent here. By iBiquity. By broadcasters. And by manufacturers. And that licensing offers a cash cow to iBiquity when the market for IBOC hardware saturates. No one in a market economy will let go of that kind of goldmine without a fight. IBOC may be doomed. God, I hope so. But whether or not that's true, it will not die quickly. And it will not die quietly. This will not go away as quickly as it appeared. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 19, 7:17 am, Stephanie Weil wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote: Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not enough advertising income). The only things these people have for radio entertainment are the distant stations. Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA I Am There : Twain Harte, CA 1 - AM Radio Station down the Hill in Sonora, CA * Most of the Time I can not here it at Night. 2 - FM Radios Stations down the Hill in Sonora, CA I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 19, 10:17 am, Stephanie Weil wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote: Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not enough advertising income). The only things these people have for radio entertainment are the distant stations. Don't forget that radio stations are first businesses. Their target audience has to be listeners who advertisers feel will be in a position to respond favorably to their message. Listeners will not likely drive 500 miles to purchase a car, refrigerator, insurance, etc. Those few people who live outside the primary listening area are of no interest to a commercial radio station. It's just tough if the radio station does something like add HD channels that disrupts the listening of someone outside the target area. Those are the hard cold facts of radio stations that hope to make a profit. Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX. True you you may have to dx if you live in the boondocks, or buy a satellite radio setup. But that faraway radio station will for obvious business reasons have no concern about your listening habits because you are not a listener who would be of any interest to their advertisers. If radio stations were public entities with no profit motive then I could understand your concerns. But the basic radio model in this country is built around it being a profit making enterprise. In NYC you should have no shortage of local radio stations. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 19, 9:32 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas. the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find anHD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD radios. The FCC says - "let the market decide". Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments. The market did decide by little or no need for HD Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need forHD radio. HD radiohas really only just become widely available. but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen. It's over. At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The programming onHD radiohas the potential to be about as interesting as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much.HD radiodoes not have an added listening fee which is a minor benfit. jw- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Eduardo! Huh???????? http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...-be-near.html- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 19, 10:48 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas. the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD radios. The FCC says - "let the market decide". Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments. The market did decide by little or no need for HD Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need for HD radio. HD radio has really only just become widely available. but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen. It's over. At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The programming on HD radio has the potential to be about as interesting as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much. HD radio does not have an added listening fee which is a minor benfit. jw- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wireless WiFi/WiMAx Internet Radio will kill terrestrial/HD Radio.- If Internet Radio is in a position to kill HD radio then it is equally in a position to kill the parent of HD radio as well. Are you saying that if a radio station broadcasts on the Internet that action will kill off its signals on standard broadcast and HD channels? Please explain how this mass murder will come about. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
"Stephanie Weil" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote: Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not enough advertising income). The only things these people have for radio entertainment are the distant stations. Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX. About the only formats that attract any AM audience among adults are the variants of news & talk. This is a format that commands less than 10% of total listening in most markets. Add to that the fact that night listening to radio is about a quarter of the 6 AM to 7 PM levels.... and you have very few listeners who would find anything of interest on distant AM stations. |
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How many times before have you bought something that you heard
advertized on radio, or heard and saw advertized on tv? Things that you have bought before, mostly sitting on the shelves in the stores is the advertizing that I check outExubera commercial on tv right now.I wouldnt touch that S..t with a million mile long pole.Most commercials on radio and tv, I shut that crap off! I never buy any of that new fangled non sense stuff they advertize.You got people out there, every two or hree years, they rush out and buy the latest Dell or HP of eMachines or Gateway or Asus or whatever computer gadgets, they don't know a damn thing. cuhulin |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier localarea
If you advertize it on radio or tv,,,, I am NOT going to buy it.
cuhulin |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 19, 12:19 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
..... and you have very few listeners who would find anything of interest on distant AM stations. Almost as few as those who find anything of interest in your posts. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 19, 12:19 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
About the only formats that attract any AM audience among adults are the variants of news & talk. This is a format that commands less than 10% of total listening in most markets. That still doesn't explain why you'd want to further degrade your analog sound quality used by probably 99 percent of your AM radio listeners) in order to insert a digital sideband that is 1) temperamental to receive in a lot of cases 2) still doesn't solve the problem of lack of reception in high-rise office blocks 3) practically unknown to most "normal listeners". That's my biggest concern. The audio quality of LOCAL stations is being degraded by their own IBOC signals. The digital may sound fabulous...but if nobody is listening to the digital and is also being driven away from the station by the awful sound on their analog radio...then what does it matter? Stephanie Weil New York City, USA |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:19:14 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote: "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote: Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not enough advertising income). The only things these people have for radio entertainment are the distant stations. Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX. About the only formats that attract any AM audience among adults are the variants of news & talk. This is a format that commands less than 10% of total listening in most markets. Add to that the fact that night listening to radio is about a quarter of the 6 AM to 7 PM levels.... and you have very few listeners who would find anything of interest on distant AM stations. You are nuts. There are many, many thousands who enjoy radio in the evening. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:55:47 -0700, RHF
wrote: On Sep 18, 9:27 am, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. - The FCC says - "let the market decide". RF Burns - The Market Place Is The Answer -and- The Market Place Is The Local Advertisers READ : Fighting IBOC Digital Noise and Interference : The "Local" Radio Advertisers Are The Answer. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f8ad97f397c501 - The market did decide by little or no need for HD - but that was just a smoke screen because you - get it anyway. - - It's over. - - jw I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. . RHF Why do you have to have such L-O-N-G tags to your messages? Please post succinctly, and leave off all your personal message garbage. |
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Ahmadinejad might soon be visiting some Ground Zeros right there in
Iran.If he dosen't start Glowing in the Dark first. cuhulin |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 20, 5:48 pm, Nobody wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:55:47 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 18, 9:27 am, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. - The FCC says - "let the market decide". RF Burns - The Market Place Is The Answer -and- The Market Place Is The Local Advertisers READ : Fighting IBOC Digital Noise and Interference : The "Local" Radio Advertisers Are The Answer. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f8ad97f397c501 - The market did decide by little or no need for HD - but that was just a smoke screen because you - get it anyway. - - It's over. - - jw I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. . - RHF - - Why do you have to have such L-O-N-G tags to your messages? - - Please post succinctly, and leave off all your personal message - garbage. Nobody - Lets not get into a 'game' of Message Tag. My Life {If I Had One :-} Would Be {Is} About My Personal Message Garbage. Please Choose To NOT Read Me and My Garbage. Nobody - Have A Wonderful Life and Enjoy Your Radios. ok - so bring on the haters ~ RHF |
(OT) : Iranian Leader Ahmadinejad to Visit Ground Zero (WTC) in NYC [ Not ! ]
On Sep 20, 7:27 pm, wrote:
- - Ahmadinejad might soon be visiting some - Ground Zeros right there in Iran. - - If he dosen't start Glowing in the Dark first. - - cuhulin Cuhulin - Yes I heard on the Radio that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wanted to Visit "Ground Zero" (fromerly the Worl trade Center) in New York City. http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-09-20-voa42.cfm Remember the September 11, 2001 Attacks by the Islam-O-Terrorists -and- Never Forget ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11 We like our Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) Leaders. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran Remember Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is only the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad But - Never Forget that the Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is in-fact "The Supreme Leader" the Elect of Allah ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei Why David will be along shortly with an Offer to Host Ahmadinejad to some good old SoCal BBQ featuring Mexican Carnites de Michoacán. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnitas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michoac%C3%A1n will that be - corn or floor tortillas ~ RHF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortilla . |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:29:38 -0700, RHF
wrote: . I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. . At least you have a blinking blue light to entertain you. All my radio has is a gray on blue HD icon, about 3/32" of an inch high. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:52:18 -0700, RHF
wrote: On Sep 20, 5:48 pm, Nobody wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:55:47 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 18, 9:27 am, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. - The FCC says - "let the market decide". RF Burns - The Market Place Is The Answer -and- The Market Place Is The Local Advertisers READ : Fighting IBOC Digital Noise and Interference : The "Local" Radio Advertisers Are The Answer. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f8ad97f397c501 - The market did decide by little or no need for HD - but that was just a smoke screen because you - get it anyway. - - It's over. - - jw I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. . - RHF - - Why do you have to have such L-O-N-G tags to your messages? - - Please post succinctly, and leave off all your personal message - garbage. Nobody - Lets not get into a 'game' of Message Tag. Why not? I'm here to read information, not trailers of personal aggrandisement. Your basic info is informative, but wading thru the detritus is tiresome. My Life {If I Had One :-} Would Be {Is} About My Personal Message Garbage. Please Choose To NOT Read Me and My Garbage. Nobody - Have A Wonderful Life and Enjoy Your Radios. ok - so bring on the haters ~ RHF . |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 22, 4:57 pm, Nobody wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:52:18 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 20, 5:48 pm, Nobody wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:55:47 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 18, 9:27 am, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. - The FCC says - "let the market decide". RF Burns - The Market Place Is The Answer -and- The Market Place Is The Local Advertisers READ : Fighting IBOC Digital Noise and Interference : The "Local" Radio Advertisers Are The Answer. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f8ad97f397c501 - The market did decide by little or no need for HD - but that was just a smoke screen because you - get it anyway. - - It's over. - - jw I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. . - RHF - - Why do you have to have such L-O-N-G tags to your messages? - - Please post succinctly, and leave off all your personal message - garbage. Nobody - Lets not get into a 'game' of Message Tag. - Why not? I was not placed on this earth to make your day. ~ RHF - I'm here to read information, not trailers of personal aggrandisement. yes, Yes. YES ! - That's Me Mister Personal {That Big Word} ~ RHF - Your basic info is informative, - but wading thru the detritus is tiresome. I will get back to you : Once I figure out what 'detritus' means. - - - DOH ! - I 'feel' So Stupid . . . ~ RHF My Life {If I Had One :-} Would Be {Is} About My Personal Message Garbage. Please Choose To NOT Read Me and My Garbage. Nobody - Have A Wonderful Life and Enjoy Your Radios. ok - so bring on the haters ~ RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:22:29 -0700, RHF
wrote: On Sep 22, 4:57 pm, Nobody wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:52:18 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 20, 5:48 pm, Nobody wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:55:47 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 18, 9:27 am, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. - The FCC says - "let the market decide". RF Burns - The Market Place Is The Answer -and- The Market Place Is The Local Advertisers READ : Fighting IBOC Digital Noise and Interference : The "Local" Radio Advertisers Are The Answer. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f8ad97f397c501 - The market did decide by little or no need for HD - but that was just a smoke screen because you - get it anyway. - - It's over. - - jw I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. . - RHF - - Why do you have to have such L-O-N-G tags to your messages? - - Please post succinctly, and leave off all your personal message - garbage. Nobody - Lets not get into a 'game' of Message Tag. - Why not? I was not placed on this earth to make your day. ~ RHF - I'm here to read information, not trailers of personal aggrandisement. yes, Yes. YES ! - That's Me Mister Personal {That Big Word} ~ RHF - Your basic info is informative, - but wading thru the detritus is tiresome. I will get back to you : Once I figure out what 'detritus' means. - - - DOH ! - I 'feel' So Stupid . . . ~ RHF You do? That must be a change. My Life {If I Had One :-} Would Be {Is} About My Personal Message Garbage. Please Choose To NOT Read Me and My Garbage. Nobody - Have A Wonderful Life and Enjoy Your Radios. ok - so bring on the haters ~ RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier localarea
wrote in message ... How many times before have you bought something that you heard advertized on radio, or heard and saw advertized on tv? Things that you have bought before, mostly sitting on the shelves in the stores is the advertizing that I check outExubera commercial on tv right now.I wouldnt touch that S..t with a million mile long pole.Most commercials on radio and tv, I shut that crap off! I never buy any of that new fangled non sense stuff they advertize.You got people out there, every two or hree years, they rush out and buy the latest Dell or HP of eMachines or Gateway or Asus or whatever computer gadgets, they don't know a damn thing. cuhulin Isn't that the truth about that with the commercials. I hardly ever buy anything I hear advertised on the radio. Frankly, I think most of it is a bunch of garbage. I generally buy what I need and things I want here and there. As far as the computer thing, I would suspect it is almost like radios having to have the best and newest. After a while, you finally run out of either money or things to buy having too much stuff. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 19, 12:19 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: .... and you have very few listeners who would find anything of interest on distant AM stations. Almost as few as those who find anything of interest in your posts. You can be assured that this poster isn't going into any sort of HD radio purchase until the cost of the receivers gets way below what they are at this point. 200 dollars for a radio that only receives broadcast band crap? Some cases more than 200 dollars. But really, after a while how much do you want to spend Frankly when I can go out and buy a AM/FM radio for little shock to my wallet versus 200-400 USD for a HD set, why in the hell would I want to do that. For that cost, you could pick up a decent shortwave portable or even possibly a relatively inexpensive DRM radio for SW. Not that I think that DRM is going to be a boon either but seriously what is there really on most commercial radio except hours of Rush Limbaugh and other assorted talk show hosts. Other than listening to WBBM or some powerhouse station like that for the news, there is little available on local radio. FM has basically been turned into a vast wasteland of morning talk shows, commercials, and other nonsense. Play the same song half the day from the latest artist and here you can listen to two different stations on FM playing the same format and same exact song at the same time. So much for broadcasting diversity. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote: Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas. the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station anymore. Try and contact them. Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the highest bidder and the consumer lost. Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering what you're talking about. Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD radios. The FCC says - "let the market decide". Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments. The market did decide by little or no need for HD Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need for HD radio. HD radio has really only just become widely available. but that was just a smoke screen because you get it anyway. You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen. It's over. At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The programming on HD radio has the potential to be about as interesting as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much. HD radio does not have an added listening fee which is a minor benfit. jw- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wireless WiFi/WiMAx Internet Radio will kill terrestrial/HD Radio. Considering that I can get hundreds of channels via my internet connection, I think it is already doing some amazing things. If you look at everything on the net especially all the Yahoo Music, AOL Music, etc, it is already superior to local stations. Other than a five minute news bulletin on the hour, there really isn't much to offer locally. NPR and some of the other news stations might be the exception. But as far as music and other progams, you can find all that and more through podcasting, internet radio, and all that. Plus, my internet connection is 30 a month and I get a lot more use out of it than HD radio can ever think of doing. |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
On Sep 19, 9:19 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Stephanie Weil" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote: Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than enough radio stations to service local areas Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not enough advertising income). The only things these people have for radio entertainment are the distant stations. Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX. About the only formats that attract any AM audience among adults are the variants of news & talk. This is a format that commands less than 10% of total listening in most markets. Add to that the fact that night listening to radio is about a quarter of the 6 AM to 7 PM levels.... and you have very few listeners who would find anything of interest on distant AM stations. d'Eduardo, IMHO - You just made the Case for Radio Being a Licensed 24 Hour a Day Public Service which allows Commerical Advertising from 5 AM to 9 PM {16 Hours per Day} : With the Hours of 9 PM to 5 AM {8 Hours per Day} being "Commercial Free Radio Hours". * All Commercial Radio Stations would be Required by Law to operate 24 Hours a Day. * The Nation-Wide {Uniform} Commercial Radio Licensing Model would be built on 18 Billable Commercial Hours per Day. * Like PBS and NPR Corporate Underwritters could have a Public Service Message Minute at the TOH {00} and BOH {30} during the "Commercial Free Radio Hours". * PSAs could run during the "Commercial Free Radio Hours" for One Minute at the Quarter-Hours {15 & 45} i have a plan - turn the radio on and listen ~ RHF |
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier localarea
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:27:24 -0400, "Billy Smith"
wrote: wrote in message ... How many times before have you bought something that you heard advertized on radio, or heard and saw advertized on tv? Things that you have bought before, mostly sitting on the shelves in the stores is the advertizing that I check outExubera commercial on tv right now.I wouldnt touch that S..t with a million mile long pole.Most commercials on radio and tv, I shut that crap off! I never buy any of that new fangled non sense stuff they advertize.You got people out there, every two or hree years, they rush out and buy the latest Dell or HP of eMachines or Gateway or Asus or whatever computer gadgets, they don't know a damn thing. cuhulin Isn't that the truth about that with the commercials. I hardly ever buy anything I hear advertised on the radio. Frankly, I think most of it is a bunch of garbage. I generally buy what I need and things I want here and there. As far as the computer thing, I would suspect it is almost like radios having to have the best and newest. After a while, you finally run out of either money or things to buy having too much stuff. "Hardly ever buy"? If you EVER do, you've fulfilled an advertiser's aim... |
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