"Rfburns" wrote in message
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Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?


Several have, when they found the night antenna system was not broadband
enough for good HD performance.

"Roadie" wrote in message
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On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:

Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?

I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just
started night time AM HD broadcasts?

Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me.

Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have
just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again?
They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on
for several months.

There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.

On Sep 28, 12:17 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message

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On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:

Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?

I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just
started night time AM HD broadcasts?

Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me.

Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have
just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again?
They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on
for several months.

There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text -

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There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How
in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell
advertising, etc., then?

On Sep 28, 12:09 pm, Rfburns wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:57 am, Roadie wrote:





On Sep 28, 11:44 am, Rfburns wrote:

On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:

Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?

I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just
started night time AM HD broadcasts?

Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me.

Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have
just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again?
They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on
for several months.

Maybe cause nobody is listening?

If radio stations have just began using HD channels how would they
know if anyone is listening. I'm not aware of a profit-oriented radio
station that would begin broadcasting on a new channel only to abaodon
it without having solid statistical evdicence to back up that
decision.

Same argument applies to interference. A radio station would have to
gather the data on signal interference before pulling a new broadcast
channel. One complaint from one dxer on rec.radio.shortwave is not
going to constitute a problem. I doubt that more than a few target-
market listeners will notice any impact of HD radio on their daily
listening activities.

Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me - I'm puzzled that your puzzled at the question.
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Thanks for setting me straight Roadie!- Hide quoted text -

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I take that to mean you will stop whining about the future of HD radio
until you have something other than wishful thinking to pass on.

On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:
Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?

Here's an interesting thread:

"Can't hear you any more at night"

"The complaints are starting to come in from people about not being
able to hear the 50KW non directional clear I work for.. at night.
They appear to be 40 to 100 miles from Xmiter. This is not good. We
used to be heard in 37 states...Now we are lucky if it is 37 counties
at night. Many of these locations are in the total survey area. Hope
AM...at night..dies real soon!"

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=915221

It amazes me how ****ing stupid broadcasters havre been for buying
into iBiquity's bull-**** - and to think, that broadcasters have put
total faith into this antiquated, destuctive technology to save
declining broadcast radio! Yea, we will buy enough crappy, expensive
HD radios that can't pick up ****, but when they do it is just ****,
to keep broadcasters (those of the HD Radio Cartel) afloat!

On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:

Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?

I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just
started night time AM HD broadcasts?

Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me.

Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have
just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again?
They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on
for several months.

They know no one is listening - they just want to jam adjacent-channel
competitors off the dial and hope they will cave to HD Radio.

On Sep 28, 11:57 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:44 am, Rfburns wrote:





On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:

Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?

I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just
started night time AM HD broadcasts?

Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me.

Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have
just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again?
They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on
for several months.

Maybe cause nobody is listening?

If radio stations have just began using HD channels how would they
know if anyone is listening. I'm not aware of a profit-oriented radio
station that would begin broadcasting on a new channel only to abaodon
it without having solid statistical evdicence to back up that
decision.

Same argument applies to interference. A radio station would have to
gather the data on signal interference before pulling a new broadcast
channel. One complaint from one dxer on rec.radio.shortwave is not
going to constitute a problem. I doubt that more than a few target-
market listeners will notice any impact of HD radio on their daily
listening activities.



Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me - I'm puzzled that your puzzled at the question.
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Because under 100,000 HD radios have been sold, and sales are stalled.

On Sep 28, 12:17 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message

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On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:

Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?

I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just
started night time AM HD broadcasts?

Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me.

Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have
just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again?
They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on
for several months.

There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, there's fat-ass Eduardo - OCD Eduardo can't ever help himself:

http://is3.okcupid.com/users/162/390...1107623537.jpg

On Sep 28, 12:29 pm, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 28, 12:09 pm, Rfburns wrote:





On Sep 28, 11:57 am, Roadie wrote:

On Sep 28, 11:44 am, Rfburns wrote:

On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:

Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?

I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just
started night time AM HD broadcasts?

Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me.

Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have
just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again?
They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on
for several months.

Maybe cause nobody is listening?

If radio stations have just began using HD channels how would they
know if anyone is listening. I'm not aware of a profit-oriented radio
station that would begin broadcasting on a new channel only to abaodon
it without having solid statistical evdicence to back up that
decision.

Same argument applies to interference. A radio station would have to
gather the data on signal interference before pulling a new broadcast
channel. One complaint from one dxer on rec.radio.shortwave is not
going to constitute a problem. I doubt that more than a few target-
market listeners will notice any impact of HD radio on their daily
listening activities.

Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me - I'm puzzled that your puzzled at the question.
- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for setting me straight Roadie!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I take that to mean you will stop whining about the future of HD radio
until you have something other than wishful thinking to pass on.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

**** off.

"Roadie" wrote in message
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There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was
good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How
in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell
advertising, etc., then?


The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to
competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and
there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the
HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no
way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no
secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an
HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement
of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for
Arbitron separately and will then be measurable.