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Nighttime AM HD Operation
Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
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Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:
Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. |
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On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Well, I'd love it if they did shut down for these reasons. We can keep our fingers crossed. |
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Rfburns wrote:
Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? Nobody in Columbus Ohio is broadcasting HD at night, with about 3 stations with it in the day. WOSU 820 WTVN 610 WCOL 1230 (or whatever they're calling themselves now). Actually WCOL might be using it but nobody would be able to tell, at night. Nobody can hear it. -- On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. |
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On Sep 28, 7:22 am, Rfburns wrote:
Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I noticed that KFBK 1530 had very bad noise bands at 1520 and 1540 for about the first three or four nights and then they disappeared. I hear 1520 loud and clear again. Bob |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me - I'm puzzled that your puzzled at the question. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 11:44 am, Rfburns wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. Maybe cause nobody is listening? If radio stations have just began using HD channels how would they know if anyone is listening. I'm not aware of a profit-oriented radio station that would begin broadcasting on a new channel only to abaodon it without having solid statistical evdicence to back up that decision. Same argument applies to interference. A radio station would have to gather the data on signal interference before pulling a new broadcast channel. One complaint from one dxer on rec.radio.shortwave is not going to constitute a problem. I doubt that more than a few target- market listeners will notice any impact of HD radio on their daily listening activities. Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me - I'm puzzled that your puzzled at the question. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 11:57 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:44 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. Maybe cause nobody is listening? If radio stations have just began using HD channels how would they know if anyone is listening. I'm not aware of a profit-oriented radio station that would begin broadcasting on a new channel only to abaodon it without having solid statistical evdicence to back up that decision. Same argument applies to interference. A radio station would have to gather the data on signal interference before pulling a new broadcast channel. One complaint from one dxer on rec.radio.shortwave is not going to constitute a problem. I doubt that more than a few target- market listeners will notice any impact of HD radio on their daily listening activities. Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me - I'm puzzled that your puzzled at the question. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks for setting me straight Roadie! |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
"Rfburns" wrote in message oups.com... Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? Several have, when they found the night antenna system was not broadband enough for good HD performance. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
"Roadie" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 12:17 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell advertising, etc., then? |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 12:09 pm, Rfburns wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:57 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 28, 11:44 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. Maybe cause nobody is listening? If radio stations have just began using HD channels how would they know if anyone is listening. I'm not aware of a profit-oriented radio station that would begin broadcasting on a new channel only to abaodon it without having solid statistical evdicence to back up that decision. Same argument applies to interference. A radio station would have to gather the data on signal interference before pulling a new broadcast channel. One complaint from one dxer on rec.radio.shortwave is not going to constitute a problem. I doubt that more than a few target- market listeners will notice any impact of HD radio on their daily listening activities. Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me - I'm puzzled that your puzzled at the question. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks for setting me straight Roadie!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I take that to mean you will stop whining about the future of HD radio until you have something other than wishful thinking to pass on. |
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On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:
Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? Here's an interesting thread: "Can't hear you any more at night" "The complaints are starting to come in from people about not being able to hear the 50KW non directional clear I work for.. at night. They appear to be 40 to 100 miles from Xmiter. This is not good. We used to be heard in 37 states...Now we are lucky if it is 37 counties at night. Many of these locations are in the total survey area. Hope AM...at night..dies real soon!" http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=915221 It amazes me how ****ing stupid broadcasters havre been for buying into iBiquity's bull-**** - and to think, that broadcasters have put total faith into this antiquated, destuctive technology to save declining broadcast radio! Yea, we will buy enough crappy, expensive HD radios that can't pick up ****, but when they do it is just ****, to keep broadcasters (those of the HD Radio Cartel) afloat! |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. They know no one is listening - they just want to jam adjacent-channel competitors off the dial and hope they will cave to HD Radio. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 11:57 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:44 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. Maybe cause nobody is listening? If radio stations have just began using HD channels how would they know if anyone is listening. I'm not aware of a profit-oriented radio station that would begin broadcasting on a new channel only to abaodon it without having solid statistical evdicence to back up that decision. Same argument applies to interference. A radio station would have to gather the data on signal interference before pulling a new broadcast channel. One complaint from one dxer on rec.radio.shortwave is not going to constitute a problem. I doubt that more than a few target- market listeners will notice any impact of HD radio on their daily listening activities. Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me - I'm puzzled that your puzzled at the question. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because under 100,000 HD radios have been sold, and sales are stalled. |
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On Sep 28, 12:17 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, there's fat-ass Eduardo - OCD Eduardo can't ever help himself: http://is3.okcupid.com/users/162/390...1107623537.jpg |
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On Sep 28, 12:29 pm, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 28, 12:09 pm, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 11:57 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 28, 11:44 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 11:32 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. Maybe cause nobody is listening? If radio stations have just began using HD channels how would they know if anyone is listening. I'm not aware of a profit-oriented radio station that would begin broadcasting on a new channel only to abaodon it without having solid statistical evdicence to back up that decision. Same argument applies to interference. A radio station would have to gather the data on signal interference before pulling a new broadcast channel. One complaint from one dxer on rec.radio.shortwave is not going to constitute a problem. I doubt that more than a few target- market listeners will notice any impact of HD radio on their daily listening activities. Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me - I'm puzzled that your puzzled at the question. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks for setting me straight Roadie!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I take that to mean you will stop whining about the future of HD radio until you have something other than wishful thinking to pass on.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - **** off. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
"Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell advertising, etc., then? The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for Arbitron separately and will then be measurable. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell advertising, etc., then? The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for Arbitron separately and will then be measurable. Take your People Meter and suck on it. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:15:12 -0400, Ron Hardin
wrote: Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? Nobody in Columbus Ohio is broadcasting HD at night, with about 3 stations with it in the day. WOSU 820 WTVN 610 WCOL 1230 (or whatever they're calling themselves now). Actually WCOL might be using it but nobody would be able to tell, at night. Nobody can hear it. They should sound killer within 15 or 20 miles of the transmitter. http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine....10089&sHours=U |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 9:17 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote: On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just started night time AM HD broadcasts? Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference complaints? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again? They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on for several months. There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - d'Eduardo, Since the vast majority of AM/MW Radio Listeners still have Analog "Only" AM/MW Rados -and- Since Nightime IBOC Broadcasting makes Analog "HD" Radio Painful to Listen to : Expect the numbers of Nightime AM/MW Radio Listeners to start Dropping as more and more AM/MW Radio Stations begin IBOC Broadcasting at Night. The Tombstone of AM/MW Radio does not read "RIP" it reads "IBOC" ~ RHF Once Again I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. * Twain Harte, CA -USA- |
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David wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:15:12 -0400, Ron Hardin wrote: Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? Nobody in Columbus Ohio is broadcasting HD at night, with about 3 stations with it in the day. WOSU 820 WTVN 610 WCOL 1230 (or whatever they're calling themselves now). Actually WCOL might be using it but nobody would be able to tell, at night. Nobody can hear it. They should sound killer within 15 or 20 miles of the transmitter. http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine....10089&sHours=U No, the limiting thing is what else you can hear, not what their power contours are. There's a thousand skywaves on the frequency just as strong, at night. That's the benefit of having a clear channel and contour protection, which no longer applies on most frequencies. -- On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 29, 8:32 am, David wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:56:42 -0400, Ron Hardin No, the limiting thing is what else you can hear, not what their power contours are. There's a thousand skywaves on the frequency just as strong, at night. That's the benefit of having a clear channel and contour protection, which no longer applies on most frequencies. I'm very familiar with the graveyard freqs. I enjoy listening to KOY at night when I'm in Tempe. They have a pretty much identical setup as the Columbus station. Ya know, Hybrid Digital Radio has an option for 20 kilohertz wide channels (the center 10 for AM, and the adjoining 5 kHz sidebands for HD). If the stations simply switched from 30 kHz mode to 20 kHz mode during nighttime operation, that would help minimize interference to the skywaves. (But no the FCC lackeys never thought about that. Dummies.) |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:56:42 -0400, Ron Hardin
wrote: David wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:15:12 -0400, Ron Hardin wrote: Rfburns wrote: Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since nighttime operation started? Nobody in Columbus Ohio is broadcasting HD at night, with about 3 stations with it in the day. WOSU 820 WTVN 610 WCOL 1230 (or whatever they're calling themselves now). Actually WCOL might be using it but nobody would be able to tell, at night. Nobody can hear it. They should sound killer within 15 or 20 miles of the transmitter. http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine....10089&sHours=U No, the limiting thing is what else you can hear, not what their power contours are. There's a thousand skywaves on the frequency just as strong, at night. That's the benefit of having a clear channel and contour protection, which no longer applies on most frequencies. I'm very familiar with the graveyard freqs. I enjoy listening to KOY at night when I'm in Tempe. They have a pretty much identical setup as the Columbus station. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
On Sep 28, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell advertising, etc., then? The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for Arbitron separately and will then be measurable. The point isn't trying to use statistics to point a finger at HD, but rather to use them to determine whether the channels are attracting a sufficient audience. That's all those numbers are really good for. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
"Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 28, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell advertising, etc., then? The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for Arbitron separately and will then be measurable. The point isn't trying to use statistics to point a finger at HD, but rather to use them to determine whether the channels are attracting a sufficient audience. That's all those numbers are really good for. The main purpose of FM HD is to provide digital main channel audio and robust texting; the digital audio is the only enhancement for AM of significance. Simulcasts are not measured separately in radio ratings. |
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On Sep 29, 12:51 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 28, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message roups.com... There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell advertising, etc., then? The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for Arbitron separately and will then be measurable. The point isn't trying to use statistics to point a finger at HD, but rather to use them to determine whether the channels are attracting a sufficient audience. That's all those numbers are really good for. The main purpose of FM HD is to provide digital main channel audio and robust texting; the digital audio is the only enhancement for AM of significance. Simulcasts are not measured separately in radio ratings.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And what reason do we have to think you're telling the truth THIS time? |
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On Sep 28, 4:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell advertising, etc., then? The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for Arbitron separately and will then be measurable. In theory, the FCC shouldn't care about the Arbitron, i.e. it is not a significant measurement of concern to the FCC. The FCC should be concerned about the quality of the signal. OK, OK, I live in a dream world..... |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 28, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell advertising, etc., then? The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for Arbitron separately and will then be measurable. The point isn't trying to use statistics to point a finger at HD, but rather to use them to determine whether the channels are attracting a sufficient audience. That's all those numbers are really good for. The main purpose of FM HD is to provide digital main channel audio and robust texting; the digital audio is the only enhancement for AM of significance. Simulcasts are not measured separately in radio ratings. What is not significant is your constant pontificating. You realize that you have painted yourself into a corner, either you are for real and look like a complete jackass or you are a faker. I don't know which situation is worse for you but that's where you are at in the news group. If you are for real I sure hope people in your industry don't read this news group for your own sake. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... The main purpose of FM HD is to provide digital main channel audio and robust texting; the digital audio is the only enhancement for AM of significance. Simulcasts are not measured separately in radio ratings.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And what reason do we have to think you're telling the truth THIS time? Because Arbitron's simulcast policy is posted on their website, moron. |
Nighttime AM HD Operation
"Telamon" wrote in message ... The main purpose of FM HD is to provide digital main channel audio and robust texting; the digital audio is the only enhancement for AM of significance. Simulcasts are not measured separately in radio ratings. What is not significant is your constant pontificating. You realize that you have painted yourself into a corner, either you are for real and look like a complete jackass or you are a faker. I don't know which situation is worse for you but that's where you are at in the news group. If you are for real I sure hope people in your industry don't read this news group for your own sake. I'm sure they don't read this group, as few were ever DXers. That is why I get invited to speak at NAB, RAB, NAB Europe, etc. For the moment, the main advantage of HD is having a digital version of the content on the analog signal: as more receivers arrive, there will be increased interest in the secondary channels, and the use of closed channels for special data delivery applications. That's the entire business model of HD, in fact. |
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