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HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
Steve wrote: On Oct 6, 11:48 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote: On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now be nice Telamon, Mister Orban has posted under his own name and has asked you to reply to him : in kind. FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban * A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United States -by- Robert Orban, San Francisco, CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html * Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems, Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html * Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/ it's nice to be nice ! RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they intend for you to believe is their own! When it comes to content, nobody can duplicate one of Bob Orban's posts.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And do you have any evidence to back up this assertion? He probably doesn't. Heck, he can't even provide any evidence of his non-existent amateur license. The one thing we know for su David Frackelton Gleason is a pathological liar. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote: On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now be nice Telamon, Mister Orban has posted under his own name and has asked you to reply to him : in kind. FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban * A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United States -by- Robert Orban, San Francisco, CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html * Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems, Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html * Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/ it's nice to be nice ! RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they intend for you to believe is their own! When it comes to content, nobody can duplicate one of Bob Orban's posts. I'll just bet with your experience faking personalities and gall that you have demonstrated that you could do it. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
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Steve wrote: On Oct 6, 11:48 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote: On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now be nice Telamon, Mister Orban has posted under his own name and has asked you to reply to him : in kind. FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban * A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United States -by- Robert Orban, San Francisco, CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html * Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems, Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...1.gr/robert.ht ml * Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/ it's nice to be nice ! RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they intend for you to believe is their own! When it comes to content, nobody can duplicate one of Bob Orban's posts.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And do you have any evidence to back up this assertion? I'm sure he can recite a number of Arbitron statistics to prove that assertion. See the problem with Eduardo is that all arguments begin and end with Arbitron since he supposedly has access to that data and we don't so he can't loose. Well I just re-ran the Usenet reader stats and Eduardo came out on the bottom of believability contour of all posters. The number of people that believe him is below 10% in the 25 to 54 age group or in other words his bombast signal level is not high enough for most to put up with. People will just tune out in favor of a more rational poster on Usenet. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
"Telamon" wrote in message ... I'm sure he can recite a number of Arbitron statistics to prove that assertion. See the problem with Eduardo is that all arguments begin and end with Arbitron since he supposedly has access to that data and we don't so he can't loose. Nearly 100% of the viable radio stations in rated markets has access to the data. However, Arbitron only releases the data on 12+ listeners in one daypart,, which is 6 AM to midnight. The rest of the data is copyright and protected for only sales and programming purposes. Well I just re-ran the Usenet reader stats and Eduardo came out on the bottom of believability contour of all posters. The number of people that believe him is below 10% in the 25 to 54 age group or in other words his bombast signal level is not high enough for most to put up with. People will just tune out in favor of a more rational poster on Usenet. You just don't like what you hear, so you make up your own definition of listening, of markets (today's post was a good example) and of the way radio is used. You have no data other than what your megaradio can pick up, and you are projecting your own misconceptions on all radio listeners and this newsgroup. You have a classic "shoot the messenger" mentality about anything you don't agree with. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... I'm sure he can recite a number of Arbitron statistics to prove that assertion. See the problem with Eduardo is that all arguments begin and end with Arbitron since he supposedly has access to that data and we don't so he can't loose. Nearly 100% of the viable radio stations in rated markets has access to the data. However, Arbitron only releases the data on 12+ listeners in one daypart,, which is 6 AM to midnight. The rest of the data is copyright and protected for only sales and programming purposes. Hilarious! This is just to funny. Well I just re-ran the Usenet reader stats and Eduardo came out on the bottom of believability contour of all posters. The number of people that believe him is below 10% in the 25 to 54 age group or in other words his bombast signal level is not high enough for most to put up with. People will just tune out in favor of a more rational poster on Usenet. You just don't like what you hear, so you make up your own definition of listening, of markets (today's post was a good example) and of the way radio is used. You have no data other than what your megaradio can pick up, and you are projecting your own misconceptions on all radio listeners and this newsgroup. You have a classic "shoot the messenger" mentality about anything you don't agree with. Oh no Eduardo! I have the statistics to backup what I say! -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Oct 6, 2:00 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... I'm sure he can recite a number of Arbitron statistics to prove that assertion. See the problem with Eduardo is that all arguments begin and end with Arbitron since he supposedly has access to that data and we don't so he can't loose. Nearly 100% of the viable radio stations in rated markets has access to the data. However, Arbitron only releases the data on 12+ listeners in one daypart,, which is 6 AM to midnight. The rest of the data is copyright and protected for only sales and programming purposes. Sure it is....sure.... Well I just re-ran the Usenet reader stats and Eduardo came out on the bottom of believability contour of all posters. The number of people that believe him is below 10% in the 25 to 54 age group or in other words his bombast signal level is not high enough for most to put up with. People will just tune out in favor of a more rational poster on Usenet. You just don't like what you hear, so you make up your own definition of listening, What? And risk running afoul of your cherished Encarta dictionary? Lol.... of markets (today's post was a good example) and of the way radio is used. You have no data other than what your megaradio can pick up, and you are projecting your own misconceptions on all radio listeners and this newsgroup. You have a classic "shoot the messenger" mentality about anything you don't agree with. Umm...maybe if "the messenger" wouldn't insist on spamming the group with off-topic posts, people wouldn't shoot him for recreation. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
"Telamon" wrote in message ... You just don't like what you hear, so you make up your own definition of listening, of markets (today's post was a good example) and of the way radio is used. You have no data other than what your megaradio can pick up, and you are projecting your own misconceptions on all radio listeners and this newsgroup. You have a classic "shoot the messenger" mentality about anything you don't agree with. Oh no Eduardo! I have the statistics to backup what I say! No, you do not. You never have. Taking one example, that of "I can hear it so people must listen to it" you can see that you take one bit of personal, anecdotal data, your ability to pick up a station, and apply it to the general population. The facts betray you here, since hearing level is not listening level, and people around you do not listen to the stations you can hear. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Oct 6, 5:13 am, Steve wrote:
On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote: On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now be nice Telamon, Mister Orban has posted under his own name and has asked you to reply to him : in kind. FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban * A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United States -by- Robert Orban, San Francisco, CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html * Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems, Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html * Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/ it's nice to be nice ! RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they intend for you to believe is their own!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - FWIW - With the above Information you could Post Directly to Him via his Business Website and Know-For-Sure. ~ RHF |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... You just don't like what you hear, so you make up your own definition of listening, of markets (today's post was a good example) and of the way radio is used. You have no data other than what your megaradio can pick up, and you are projecting your own misconceptions on all radio listeners and this newsgroup. You have a classic "shoot the messenger" mentality about anything you don't agree with. Oh no Eduardo! I have the statistics to backup what I say! No, you do not. You never have. Taking one example, that of "I can hear it so people must listen to it" you can see that you take one bit of personal, anecdotal data, your ability to pick up a station, and apply it to the general population. The facts betray you here, since hearing level is not listening level, and people around you do not listen to the stations you can hear. I've done the research. I have the statistics. You are just plain wrong. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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