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HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 30, 9:15 am, wrote: Frank Dresser wrote: In my market, Chicago, the top 2 stations account for about 10% of the listeners. The bottom 15 on the Arbitron list draw 1% or less. And there are a number of stations which don't even make the list. Actually, I just looked at the Chicago market. The ratings don't support your claim. Even in Chicago, the listeners are fairly evenly divided amongst the top 20 stations. (ranging from approximately 2 to 5% of the listeners, per station). That seems to suggest listeners do what I do: - jump from station to station - looking for variety across multiple channels - they would LOVE having 3-4 times more options on the FM dial. SILENCE? Hey, I've got a life. I spend hours -- even days away from usenet. It's pretty common. Get used to it. This isn't a chatroom. Guess I caught you in a lie. The Arbitron ratings don't support your claim, but you're not willing to admit you got caught in alie. I overstated my arguement when I said: "In most markets, most listeners are listening to a few stations." I'm sure we can agree on: "Many people listen to a few top rated stations, and a few people listen to many bottom rated stations." Is there really an important difference between the two statements? Typical grandpa. Oh, yeah I'm quite the old timer. Why, I remember when that Armstrong kid was telling me about the high fidelity radio system he was working on which would quickly obselete the old AM system. Ah, the optimism of youth. Frank Dresser |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:42:37 -0700, SFTV_troy
wrote: wrote: Consumer interest in DAB in the UK is slowing (only 3.5 million DAB radios have been sold in ten years), DAB stalled in Canada, and there is almost zero consumer interest in HD Radio in the US - consumers must realize that digital radio is a farce: http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/ Do you have a similar website for DAB? http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/ |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. Anyone who would question the objectivity or the ability of Bob Orban is seriously sicko. You mean mentally ill, like you are? |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
Frank Dresser wrote: wrote in message Guess I caught you in a lie. The Arbitron ratings don't support your claim, but you're not willing to admit you got caught in alie. I overstated my arguement when I said: "In most markets most listeners are listening to a few stations." I'm sure we can agree on: "Many people listen to a few top rated stations, and a few people listen to many bottom rated stations." Is there really an important difference between the two statements? Yeah it's false. The ratings show there are at least 20 channels with near-identical numbers of listeners. That's more than a "few" |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
wrote in message ups.com... Frank Dresser wrote: wrote in message Guess I caught you in a lie. The Arbitron ratings don't support your claim, but you're not willing to admit you got caught in alie. I overstated my arguement when I said: "In most markets most listeners are listening to a few stations." I'm sure we can agree on: "Many people listen to a few top rated stations, and a few people listen to many bottom rated stations." Is there really an important difference between the two statements? Yeah it's false. The ratings show there are at least 20 channels with near-identical numbers of listeners. That's more than a "few" I thought I've heard every possible claim about the Arbitron numbers here, but this is the first time I've heard that a 5.8 share is nearly identical to a 1.9 share. And that supports your arguement as well as it can be supported. It's all a matter of semantics, I suppose. What do words such as many, top rated, bottom rated and few mean? By the way, Chicago's a big market. At least a few stations didn't make the list. And those stations really do have "near identical numbers". Frank Dresser |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
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HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
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HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
Frank Dresser wrote: wrote in message Yeah it's false. The ratings show there are at least 20 channels with near-identical numbers of listeners. That's more than a "few" I thought I've heard every possible claim about the Arbitron numbers here, but this is the first time I've heard that a 5.8 share is nearly identical to a 1.9 share. That's not a big difference. 6 months ago the 5.8 station had dropped to 4-something, and the 1.9 station had almost 3. There really is not a huge different between ~5% and ~2% of an audience. Now contrast that with: YOU stated that "the top 2 stations have 90% of the listeners" (or something like that) which is so wrong, it's a borderline lie. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
wrote in message s.com... Frank Dresser wrote: wrote in message Yeah it's false. The ratings show there are at least 20 channels with near-identical numbers of listeners. That's more than a "few" I thought I've heard every possible claim about the Arbitron numbers here, but this is the first time I've heard that a 5.8 share is nearly identical to a 1.9 share. That's not a big difference. 6 months ago the 5.8 station had dropped to 4-something, and the 1.9 station had almost 3. There really is not a huge different between ~5% and ~2% of an audience. A 5.8 that moves to a 4.0 has lost nearly a third of its audience. You measure each station over time against itself, first. Like TV shows, some radio stations go up, others bomb or go down. In a market like Chicago, every share point is worth about $7 million on the average. A 25-54 share is probably worth close to $9 million, so a difference of a single share is huge. YOU stated that "the top 2 stations have 90% of the listeners" (or something like that) which is so wrong, it's a borderline lie. He said the top two alone have 10%, which is absolutely true. Frank's point here is totally valid. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
Frank Dresser wrote:
wrote in message Frank Dresser wrote: And more expenses for the broadcaster. They doesn't seem to be stopping them from adding second and third channels Like WIYY in Baltimore, which has *voluntarily* added Classic Rock and Indie Rock to their AOR primary station. Now listeners of that style have three times as much content to enjoy. But how is the extra programming being paid for? Advertising of course. Plus the money they save because Digital does not require as much power. Plus: If a smaller station can't afford multiple program, then they don't need to do anything. They can just limit themselves to 1 high-quality channel (300 kbps). Gee, maybe if some independant station can't afford multiple programming, they'll have even have trouble justifying buying the IBOC hardware. It's not that expensive. No more expensive than a mono to stereo upgrade for an FM station. 5.1 would be compromised in similar ways. And then the listeners of that Classic Music station would complain, and the manager would have to decide between (a) increasing bitrate or (b) losing customers. Yeah, there's a few stations in which true high fidelity sound would matter. Not many. Agreed. But the advantage of the HE-AAC codec is you don't need a high bitrate to get FM quality. Only 24 is sufficient. At 64kbit/s you get near-CD quality. It's a VERY efficient compression standard. So a station could divide itself into 300 / 4 channels == 64-96 kbit/s per channel, and still have quality ranging from near-CD to CD. People in Canada, Japan, and Australia bought AM Stereo radio in droves. Why? Because there was a single standard, not the 4-way mess the FCC left behind. (It's similar to today's HD DVD versus Blu-ray battle; most people are just waiting to see who wins.) Oh? A great many radios sold in the US are the same as the radios sold in other countries and AM stereo still pretty rare here. Because by the time the U.S. fixed on a standard (circa 1990), the AM Stereo stations had largely disappeared. Thus there's no impetus for customers to upgrade. In contrast, Japan and Canada and Australia had a fixed standard in the early 80s, thus giving consumers confidence that they were not wasting money the next Betamax. I already agreed with you that HQ is not going to motivate people to upgrade. It will be seeing their favorite FM stations split into 3 or 4 programs, thus tripling their options, that will motive people. Are they carrying commercials [on secondary channels]? And I'm sure a fellow as clever and imaginative as you are can figure how they might try to make money even if there aren't enough listeners to sell commercial advertising. Hint: They won't call it "HD radio" I have no idea what you have in mind as an alternative to commercial- support. In my markets (Lancaster, York, Harrisburg, Baltimore)..... Baltimore, huh? Got any friends at ibiquity? Sorry. There are roughly 50 million people living in the Philly- Wilmington-Baltimore-DC "megaopolis". The odds of me meeting someone from iBiquity, by sheer random event, are about nil. HD radio does little to aid the health of the radio industry in general, but it may be harmful to those people who are trying to run a small time low profit station. My "smalltime" low-profit Christian station seems to be doing alright. They happily embraced the new technology, streaming out 3 separate programs. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Oct 2, 4:37 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
My "smalltime" low-profit Christian station seems to be doing alright. They happily embraced the new technology, streaming out 3 separate programs. It's a shame they've never heard about audio streaming on the internet. Could have saved them a bundle and prepared them for the future. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
I read once that AM radio in the US was allowed up to 15 KHz, but the NRSC standard, adopted
by the FCC, calls for a limit of 10 KHz. THat's only about a half octave from the 15 KHz limit of FM, and sounds pretty OK, certainly better than rendered by most AM radios. -- Regards from Virginia Beach, Earl Kiosterud www.smokeylake.com Note: Top-posting has been the norm here. Some folks prefer bottom-posting. But if you bottom-post to a reply that's already top-posted, the thread gets messy. When in Rome... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "SFTV_troy" wrote in message ups.com... Earl Kiosterud wrote: I think the USB to which Tom refers is upper sideband. Converting AM stations would mean they'd transmit only one set of sidebands, the upper set, reducing the bandwidth to almost half. More stations could be licensed in the same band. ... But still have the same poor AM sound. Digital offers an upgrade to near-FM quality. As a side issue, the loss of fidelity for which AM is notorious is largely in the receivers, with their narrow bandwidths, resulting in audio that is rolling off pretty fast around the 5 KHz point. (AM stations actually transmit a fairly high-fidelity signal.) How high? 0-10000 hertz? That's not as good as the 0-15000 possible with AAC+SBR. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
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HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
In article .com,
SFTV_troy wrote: Frank Dresser wrote: wrote in message Frank Dresser wrote: And more expenses for the broadcaster. They doesn't seem to be stopping them from adding second and third channels Like WIYY in Baltimore, which has *voluntarily* added Classic Rock and Indie Rock to their AOR primary station. Now listeners of that style have three times as much content to enjoy. But how is the extra programming being paid for? Advertising of course. Of course, how obvious. Plus the money they save because Digital does not require as much power. Mr. Digital engineer should know better than to post this. Plus: If a smaller station can't afford multiple program, then they don't need to do anything. They can just limit themselves to 1 high-quality channel (300 kbps). Gee, maybe if some independant station can't afford multiple programming, they'll have even have trouble justifying buying the IBOC hardware. It's not that expensive. No more expensive than a mono to stereo upgrade for an FM station. Really. Just how expensive is it? 5.1 would be compromised in similar ways. And then the listeners of that Classic Music station would complain, and the manager would have to decide between (a) increasing bitrate or (b) losing customers. Yeah, there's a few stations in which true high fidelity sound would matter. Not many. Agreed. But the advantage of the HE-AAC codec is you don't need a high bitrate to get FM quality. Only 24 is sufficient. At 64kbit/s you get near-CD quality. It's a VERY efficient compression standard. 64kbit/s is only just starting to sound good, it's not high quality. Just because you love pixilated, compressed, and distorted in a way you love does not mean other people like it. So a station could divide itself into 300 / 4 channels == 64-96 kbit/s per channel, and still have quality ranging from near-CD to CD. Radio is not a wire connection. I know it hard but think that over. People in Canada, Japan, and Australia bought AM Stereo radio in droves. Why? Because there was a single standard, not the 4-way mess the FCC left behind. (It's similar to today's HD DVD versus Blu-ray battle; most people are just waiting to see who wins.) Oh? A great many radios sold in the US are the same as the radios sold in other countries and AM stereo still pretty rare here. Because by the time the U.S. fixed on a standard (circa 1990), the AM Stereo stations had largely disappeared. Thus there's no impetus for customers to upgrade. In contrast, Japan and Canada and Australia had a fixed standard in the early 80s, thus giving consumers confidence that they were not wasting money the next Betamax. I already agreed with you that HQ is not going to motivate people to upgrade. It will be seeing their favorite FM stations split into 3 or 4 programs, thus tripling their options, that will motive people. Are they carrying commercials [on secondary channels]? And I'm sure a fellow as clever and imaginative as you are can figure how they might try to make money even if there aren't enough listeners to sell commercial advertising. Hint: They won't call it "HD radio" I have no idea what you have in mind as an alternative to commercial- support. There are alternatives. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
"Telamon" wrote in message ... Plus: If a smaller station can't afford multiple program, then they don't need to do anything. They can just limit themselves to 1 high-quality channel (300 kbps). Gee, maybe if some independant station can't afford multiple programming, they'll have even have trouble justifying buying the IBOC hardware. It's not that expensive. No more expensive than a mono to stereo upgrade for an FM station. Really. Just how expensive is it? I'm pretty sure that the IBOC hardware (and the license to use it) costs considerably more than the $1000 it takes to buy a stereo encoder for a commercial FM station.. For that matter, a pretty good quality stereo encoder can be bought for $200 from some of the companies that supply LPFM and (gasp!) pirate operators. Going stereo on FM doesn't take any modification to the transmitter itself, just a piece of outboard gear in the audio chain. IBOC requires modifications to the transmitter (plus the station loses all it's SCA's.. which are a good source of additional INCOME, especially for small and/or public radio stations.) |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
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HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Oct 3, 8:55 am, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
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HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
"RHF" wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 3, 8:33 am, Stephanie Weil wrote: On Oct 3, 11:12 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: No, they don't. KLVE in LA has HD, HD-2, SCA and FM Extra. Brenda I've explained this to you before. We have stations in New York that are running two HD programs plus audio SCA signals on BOTH 92 and 67 khz. And the SCA stations sound just fine (for what they are). WKTU 103 is one of those and ditto WNYC-FM 94. You don't lose your subcarriers because you add HD. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA -IF- You go to the Expense of maintaining two 'separate' Broadcast Transmission Systems. ~ RHF The expense, once installed, is minimal. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Oct 3, 4:35 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 3, 8:33 am, Stephanie Weil wrote: On Oct 3, 11:12 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: No, they don't. KLVE in LA has HD, HD-2, SCA and FM Extra. Brenda I've explained this to you before. We have stations in New York that are running two HD programs plus audio SCA signals on BOTH 92 and 67 khz. And the SCA stations sound just fine (for what they are). WKTU 103 is one of those and ditto WNYC-FM 94. You don't lose your subcarriers because you add HD. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA -IF- You go to the Expense of maintaining two 'separate' Broadcast Transmission Systems. ~ RHF The expense, once installed, is minimal.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Vastly greater than the expense of streaming audio via the internet. |
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In article ,
says... "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Bob Orban, on the NRSC committee, found that consumer radios almost without exception, rolled off by at least 10 db by 4.2 kHz, and passed practically nothing over 5 kHz. That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. The document was linked from one of Mr. Orban's posts on this ng, and is searchable by Google. Go to http://www.nrscstandards.org/ and click "AM Bandwidth Study." See Figure 1 for the results. Note that this graph assumes NRSC preemphasis at the signal generator. (Footnote 3) This was the work of an NRSC working group that included me and many other broadcast engineers. Bob Orban |
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HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
In article ,
Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , lid says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. See http://www.nrscstandards.org/ and click "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/and click "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now be nice Telamon, Mister Orban has posted under his own name and has asked you to reply to him : in kind. FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban * A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United States -by- Robert Orban, San Francisco, CA http://www.bext.com/histproc.htm http://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html * Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems, Inc. http://www.orban.com/support/orban/askbob/ http://www.261.gr/robert.html * Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec Line" http://www.orban.com/products/codec/ it's nice to be nice ! RHF |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
Robert Orban writes:
In article telamon_spamshield- , lid says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. See http://www.nrscstandards.org/ and click "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. Bob Orban Amen! Excellent point, Bob. -- % Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side %%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall." %%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
In article , Randy Yates
wrote: Robert Orban writes: In article telamon_spamshield- , lid says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. See http://www.nrscstandards.org/ and click "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. Bob Orban Amen! Excellent point, Bob. Oh, I see he made an excellent point by misconstruing my post mocking a known Troll and can't even get my handle right. I'd sure call that excellence in posting. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
Telamon writes:
[...] In article , Randy Yates wrote: Amen! Excellent point, Bob. Oh, I see he made an excellent point by misconstruing my post mocking a known Troll and can't even get my handle right. I'd sure call that excellence in posting. What is excellent is his point that any person who makes unsubstantiated accusations at a known, identifiable person or organization while keeping their own identity hidden is, at a minimum, unethical, and more pointedly, slanderous, spineless, and full of hot air. -- % Randy Yates % "Bird, on the wing, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % goes floating by %%% 919-577-9882 % but there's a teardrop in his eye..." %%%% % 'One Summer Dream', *Face The Music*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
In article , Randy Yates
wrote: Telamon writes: [...] In article , Randy Yates wrote: Amen! Excellent point, Bob. Oh, I see he made an excellent point by misconstruing my post mocking a known Troll and can't even get my handle right. I'd sure call that excellence in posting. What is excellent is his point that any person who makes unsubstantiated accusations at a known, identifiable person or organization while keeping their own identity hidden is, at a minimum, unethical, and more pointedly, slanderous, spineless, and full of hot air. That would make you pointless then. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
In article , Randy Yates
wrote: Telamon writes: [...] In article , Randy Yates wrote: Amen! Excellent point, Bob. Oh, I see he made an excellent point by misconstruing my post mocking a known Troll and can't even get my handle right. I'd sure call that excellence in posting. What is excellent is his point that any person who makes unsubstantiated accusations at a known, identifiable person or organization while keeping their own identity hidden is, at a minimum, unethical, and more pointedly, slanderous, spineless, and full of hot air. I've been around a long time. Here's a link to a brief biography on me. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/telamon.html I would say I'm much better known and braver than you and Bob put together. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Telamon writes:
[...] I would say ... I'm sure you would. -- % Randy Yates % "My Shangri-la has gone away, fading like %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % the Beatles on 'Hey Jude'" %%% 919-577-9882 % %%%% % 'Shangri-La', *A New World Record*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com |
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I have naught of these contrivances nor would I move a muscle to cut
cheese over them. Hail Atlantis! |
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In article , Randy Yates
wrote: Telamon writes: [...] I would say ... I'm sure you would. What a spineless comeback. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Oct 5, 10:19 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , Randy Yates wrote: Telamon writes: [...] I would say ... I'm sure you would. What a spineless comeback. -- Telamon Ventura, California Eat me also, spinesucker! ----- Better abuse through science |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now be nice Telamon, Mister Orban has posted under his own name and has asked you to reply to him : in kind. FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban * A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United States -by- Robert Orban, San Francisco, CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html * Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems, Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html * Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/ it's nice to be nice ! RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they intend for you to believe is their own! |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
Steve writes:
On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote: On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now be nice Telamon, Mister Orban has posted under his own name and has asked you to reply to him : in kind. FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban * A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United States -by- Robert Orban, San Francisco, CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html * Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems, Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html * Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/ it's nice to be nice ! RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they intend for you to believe is their own! There's an ancient device known as a telephone that can easily be used to solve that problem. -- % Randy Yates % "And all that I can do %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % is say I'm sorry, %%% 919-577-9882 % that's the way it goes..." %%%% % Getting To The Point', *Balance of Power*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
"Steve" wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote: On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now be nice Telamon, Mister Orban has posted under his own name and has asked you to reply to him : in kind. FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban * A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United States -by- Robert Orban, San Francisco, CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html * Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems, Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html * Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/ it's nice to be nice ! RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they intend for you to believe is their own! When it comes to content, nobody can duplicate one of Bob Orban's posts. |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Oct 6, 11:48 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote: On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now be nice Telamon, Mister Orban has posted under his own name and has asked you to reply to him : in kind. FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban * A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United States -by- Robert Orban, San Francisco, CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html * Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems, Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html * Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/ it's nice to be nice ! RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they intend for you to believe is their own! When it comes to content, nobody can duplicate one of Bob Orban's posts.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And do you have any evidence to back up this assertion? |
HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
On Oct 6, 9:10 am, Randy Yates wrote:
Steve writes: On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote: On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , Robert Orban wrote: In article telamon_spamshield- , says... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- ... That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said no way, that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your head. Bob didn't test all the different model radios. He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm guessing you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the term Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented audio processing. Yep, that where you got stuck somehow. Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again. Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously Looking good. This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am only one member) was done very carefully. Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick "AM Bandwidth Study." Telamon Ventura, California By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are implying that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you would at least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and what evidence you have that the study was flawed. The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading comprehension. The handle is Telamon. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now be nice Telamon, Mister Orban has posted under his own name and has asked you to reply to him : in kind. FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban * A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United States -by- Robert Orban, San Francisco, CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html * Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems, Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html * Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/ it's nice to be nice ! RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they intend for you to believe is their own! There's an ancient device known as a telephone that can easily be used to solve that problem. -- % Randy Yates % "And all that I can do %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % is say I'm sorry, %%% 919-577-9882 % that's the way it goes..." %%%% % Getting To The Point', *Balance of Power*, ELOhttp://www.digitalsignallabs.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, why don't you make some calls and then report back. |
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