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[email protected] October 2nd 07 11:54 AM

[O--T] THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
Check it out for yourself:
http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)


[email protected] October 2nd 07 02:00 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 6:54?am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)


"HD Hypocrisy"

"Here's a few more reasons why only iBiquity and a few clueless radio
group heads could make a big thing out of HD radio tagging... The very
damn radio stations that broadcast in HD offer no programming worth
listening to. HD Radio is a virtual sewer of formats owners don't want
on their terrestrial frequencies and other assorted garbage that no
one sane would listen to -- let alone spend money for new radios --
tagging or not."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...hypocrisy.html


Roadie October 2nd 07 02:28 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)


Wow...that's pretty impressive.


[email protected] October 2nd 07 02:44 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 3:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab


You've never once listened to any of these. Better luck next time,
liar :)


40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)




Steve October 2nd 07 03:14 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)


Is this it? This is laughable! Have you been on the internet recently?


Taylor October 2nd 07 05:29 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)


No thanks. I'm still waiting for the invention of the HD 8-Track. :-D


[email protected] October 2nd 07 06:33 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 6:54?am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)


The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists. This is why, such new technologies,
such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora, to in-dash units which
will revolutionize the way music is played - it is over for such
antiquated technologies as HD Radio. It is only a matter of time.


Steve October 2nd 07 06:36 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 1:33 pm, wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:54?am, wrote:





Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab


40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s


AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)


Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)


Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)


The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists. This is why, such new technologies,
such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora, to in-dash units which
will revolutionize the way music is played - it is over for such
antiquated technologies as HD Radio. It is only a matter of time.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Well said. The only area where HD radio is apt to succeed is in a race
toward bankruptcy.


David Eduardo[_4_] October 2nd 07 07:02 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 

wrote in message
oups.com...

The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.


The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.



[email protected] October 2nd 07 07:13 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
I'm listening to some of them right now (at work).



wrote:
On Oct 2, 3:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab


You've never once listened to any of these. Better luck next time,
liar :)


40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)



[email protected] October 2nd 07 07:15 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 

Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab


Is this it? This is laughable! Have you been on the internet recently?



There are more channels listed there, then exist on Radio AOL / XM.


[email protected] October 2nd 07 07:19 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora




I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.



Don Pearce October 2nd 07 07:21 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:02:30 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...

The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.


The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.


The UK radio station I listen to most doesn't have a playlist. It has
news, features, radio plays, comedies, arcane quizzes, book readings,
deep current affairs, arts programmes....

I don't want radio that plays records. I can buy records. I want all
that other good stuff.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

George Grapman October 2nd 07 07:27 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
Roadie wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)


Wow...that's pretty impressive.

See you later. I am running out to get a new radio.
Of course XM ,Sirius and the internet have almost all of those and
more and unlike those services I do not see baseball (XM and internet)
or NFL (Sirius and internet).

Steve October 2nd 07 07:37 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 2:15 pm, wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab


Is this it? This is laughable! Have you been on the internet recently?


There are more channels listed there, then exist on Radio AOL / XM.


LOL!!! Do two websites exhaust the internet?


Steve October 2nd 07 07:40 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 2:27 pm, George Grapman wrote:
Roadie wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab


40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s


AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)


Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)


Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)


Wow...that's pretty impressive.


See you later. I am running out to get a new radio.
Of course XM ,Sirius and the internet have almost all of those and
more


No. Not "almost all of these". Simply "more".

and unlike those services I do not see baseball (XM and internet)
or NFL (Sirius and internet).


If you don't want to see anything about baseball on the internet,
don't look at it. As for HD, I'm sure there's a station/channel
somewhere where you can find a baseball game.


David Eduardo[_4_] October 2nd 07 09:13 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora




I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.


You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.




David Kaye October 2nd 07 10:00 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 1:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.


I'm not convinced. All I had to do was choose Bob Wills as a starting
point and Pandora began selecting everything from Willie Nelson to
Travis Tritt. Uh, no. Bob Wills is closer to Benny Goodman than to
the country stars. The so-called "music genome" project is not
science. It is a subjective measure based on obvious bias; in this
case a bias that says "all country music is the same". I happen to
hate most country music, but I'll drop what I'm doing to go out and
hear any Western swing band.

I happen to know a couple people who work for Pandora as listeners or
evaluators or whatever they're called. They're not convinced that the
"genome" project is very scientific at all.

Their "engine" such as it is, appears to be a database that selects
based on an average of about 30 of their 200 or so criteria. And it
looks as if they toss in an occasional random selection about every 20
songs or so.



David Eduardo[_4_] October 2nd 07 10:15 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 

"David Kaye" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 2, 1:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot
or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is
very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.


I'm not convinced. All I had to do was choose Bob Wills as a starting
point and Pandora began selecting everything from Willie Nelson to
Travis Tritt. Uh, no. Bob Wills is closer to Benny Goodman than to
the country stars. The so-called "music genome" project is not
science. It is a subjective measure based on obvious bias; in this
case a bias that says "all country music is the same". I happen to
hate most country music, but I'll drop what I'm doing to go out and
hear any Western swing band.


The Pandora technology uses a very complex fingerprint of a song, not
someone's assumption of genre, style, etc.

I happen to know a couple people who work for Pandora as listeners or
evaluators or whatever they're called. They're not convinced that the
"genome" project is very scientific at all.

Their "engine" such as it is, appears to be a database that selects
based on an average of about 30 of their 200 or so criteria. And it
looks as if they toss in an occasional random selection about every 20
songs or so.





SFTV_troy October 2nd 07 11:12 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 

David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora




I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.


You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.




I found it to be very ineffective. I would type in Avril Lavigne who
I like, and then it would play some dumb song from some no-name artist
I'd never heard. And I'd click "skip". Again and again. Eventually
it reached a point where Pandora kept playing the same songs over-and-
over.

I prefer a human programmer. They'll typically do a "no repeat
workday" thus providing lots of variety, but also having a huge
library of classic hits.

Even an Ipod on shuffle is better than pandora. Computers are dumb,
and the computer behind Pandora is also quite dumb with its poor
selections & repetitive playing.


Steve October 2nd 07 11:38 PM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 6:12 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:


such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora


I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.


You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.


I found it to be very ineffective. I would type in Avril Lavigne who
I like, and then it would play some dumb song from some no-name artist
I'd never heard. And I'd click "skip". Again and again. Eventually
it reached a point where Pandora kept playing the same songs over-and-
over.

I prefer a human programmer. They'll typically do a "no repeat
workday" thus providing lots of variety, but also having a huge
library of classic hits.

Even an Ipod on shuffle is better than pandora. Computers are dumb,
and the computer behind Pandora is also quite dumb with its poor
selections & repetitive playing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Sounds like you're simply scared of Pandora because it represents
progress and technological innovation.


David Kaye October 3rd 07 01:59 AM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
I spoke with a Clear Chanel guy (yes, I do seem to know everybody) and
he told me that the Format Lab is a test designed to discover listener
acceptance of new format ideas. He told me that they gauge number of
listeners, time spent listening, time of day, and listener location
(to a certain extent). I asked about registration, and he said that
the idea is to bring in the most listeners possible and that
registration reduces response by as much as 80%, so they don't do
it.

I don't know of any CCU stations that have used a Format Lab format in
changing station formats, so I don't know the mechanism for doing
that.

I find myself listening to Format Lab often as I sit in cafes. Among
my favorites at the moment are Undies (underground indies), and Vegas
Gold, which is mostly lounge singers of yesterday and today.



Telamon October 3rd 07 03:30 AM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
In article om,
wrote:

I'm listening to some of them right now (at work).


More baloney for the pretend digital engineer. Every place of business
I've worked at bans audio streaming. Your employer does not want the
bandwidth he pays for going for your entertainment.

wrote:
On Oct 2, 3:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:
http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

You've never once listened to any of these. Better luck next time,
liar :)


40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)


--
Telamon
Ventura, California

[email protected] October 3rd 07 03:36 AM

THE HD RADIO sub-channels - Just a few of my favorite formats
 
On Oct 2, 2:02?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...



The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.


The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.


Where the hell did you get THAT idea - laughable!


[email protected] October 3rd 07 03:37 AM

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On Oct 2, 2:02?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.


The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.


"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm


[email protected] October 3rd 07 03:38 AM

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On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:


such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora


I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.


You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.



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"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm


[email protected] October 3rd 07 03:38 AM

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On Oct 2, 5:15?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David Kaye" wrote in message

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On Oct 2, 1:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:


You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot
or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is
very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.


I'm not convinced. All I had to do was choose Bob Wills as a starting
point and Pandora began selecting everything from Willie Nelson to
Travis Tritt. Uh, no. Bob Wills is closer to Benny Goodman than to
the country stars. The so-called "music genome" project is not
science. It is a subjective measure based on obvious bias; in this
case a bias that says "all country music is the same". I happen to
hate most country music, but I'll drop what I'm doing to go out and
hear any Western swing band.


The Pandora technology uses a very complex fingerprint of a song, not
someone's assumption of genre, style, etc.



I happen to know a couple people who work for Pandora as listeners or
evaluators or whatever they're called. They're not convinced that the
"genome" project is very scientific at all.


Their "engine" such as it is, appears to be a database that selects
based on an average of about 30 of their 200 or so criteria. And it
looks as if they toss in an occasional random selection about every 20
songs or so.- Hide quoted text -


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"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm


David Eduardo[_4_] October 3rd 07 06:36 AM

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wrote in message
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On Oct 2, 2:02?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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oups.com...



The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.


The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.


Where the hell did you get THAT idea - laughable!


Because listener research is used to determine the good and bad songs so
stations can play the best ones. You really don't think that a station
program director just makes up the list of songs to be played, do you?

http://www.davidgleason.com/Radio%20Research.htm shows how this is done.



RHF October 3rd 07 08:01 AM

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On Oct 2, 10:36 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Oct 2, 2:02?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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groups.com...


The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.


The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.


Where the hell did you get THAT idea - laughable!


- Because listener research is used to determine the good and
- bad songs so stations can play the best ones.

- You really don't think that a station program director just
- makes up the list of songs to be played, do you?

Considering the questionable accuracy of the information on
your personal webpage -you just may be making up the list-

- http://www.davidgleason.com/Radio%20Research.htm
- shows how this is done.

Who Would Know ? -and- Who Would Care ?

[email protected] October 3rd 07 12:51 PM

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On Oct 2, 5:38 pm, Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:12 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:


I found it to be very ineffective. I would type in Avril Lavigne who
I like, and then it would play some dumb song from some no-name artist
I'd never heard. And I'd click "skip". Again and again. Eventually
it reached a point where Pandora kept playing the same songs over-and-
over.


I prefer a human programmer. They'll typically do a "no repeat
workday" thus providing lots of variety, but also having a huge
library of classic hits.



Sounds like you're simply scared of Pandora because it represents
progress and technological innovation.





Not really. I was one of the FIRST people to try pandora, almost two
years ago.

You keep swinging-and-missing.



BTW you really love your computer's internet. Have you tried
"interfacing" with the female port yet? It's probably more exciting
than teh blow-up doll you've been using.




Steve October 3rd 07 12:58 PM

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On Oct 3, 1:36 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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ps.com...





On Oct 2, 2:02?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message


groups.com...


The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.


The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.


Where the hell did you get THAT idea - laughable!


Because listener research is used to determine the good and bad songs so
stations can play the best ones. You really don't think that a station
program director just makes up the list of songs to be played, do you?

http://www.davidgleason.com/Radio%20Research.htmshows how this is done.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


This site is pretty handy. It also tells you how to forge your
academic credentials.


Steve October 3rd 07 01:00 PM

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On Oct 3, 7:51 am, wrote:
On Oct 2, 5:38 pm, Steve wrote:

On Oct 2, 6:12 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:


I found it to be very ineffective. I would type in Avril Lavigne who
I like, and then it would play some dumb song from some no-name artist
I'd never heard. And I'd click "skip". Again and again. Eventually
it reached a point where Pandora kept playing the same songs over-and-
over.


I prefer a human programmer. They'll typically do a "no repeat
workday" thus providing lots of variety, but also having a huge
library of classic hits.


Sounds like you're simply scared of Pandora because it represents
progress and technological innovation.


Not really. I was one of the FIRST people to try pandora, almost two
years ago.


What...you mean you actually used the internet? Weren't you afraid
that it would cease to exist before you could finish doing anything?


You keep swinging-and-missing.

BTW you really love your computer's internet. Have you tried
"interfacing" with the female port yet? It's probably more exciting
than teh blow-up doll you've been using.


LOL....it's always easy to tell when a 'nerve' has been struck. I knew
from the minute you opened your pie hole in this group that at bottom
you're a technophobe. The fact that you're an engineer makes it even
sweeter.



Richard Crowley[_2_] October 3rd 07 01:52 PM

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THIS DISCUSSION IS OFF-TOPIC FOR REC.AUDIO.TECH
(AND REC.AUDIO.CAR, FOR THAT MATTER)
PLEASE DROP REC.AUDIO.TECH FROM THIS DISCUSSION

Richard Crowley[_2_] October 3rd 07 01:52 PM

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THIS DISCUSSION IS OFF-TOPIC FOR REC.AUDIO.TECH
(AND REC.AUDIO.CAR, FOR THAT MATTER)
PLEASE DROP REC.AUDIO.TECH FROM THIS DISCUSSION


Steve October 3rd 07 02:01 PM

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On Oct 3, 8:52 am, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
THIS DISCUSSION IS OFF-TOPIC FOR REC.AUDIO.TECH
(AND REC.AUDIO.CAR, FOR THAT MATTER)
PLEASE DROP REC.AUDIO.TECH FROM THIS DISCUSSION


Please drop rec.radio.shortwave as well.


RHF October 3rd 07 04:57 PM

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On Oct 3, 4:51 am, wrote:
On Oct 2, 5:38 pm, Steve wrote:

On Oct 2, 6:12 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:


I found it to be very ineffective. I would type in Avril Lavigne who
I like, and then it would play some dumb song from some no-name artist
I'd never heard. And I'd click "skip". Again and again. Eventually
it reached a point where Pandora kept playing the same songs over-and-
over.


I prefer a human programmer. They'll typically do a "no repeat
workday" thus providing lots of variety, but also having a huge
library of classic hits.


Sounds like you're simply scared of Pandora because it represents
progress and technological innovation.


Not really. I was one of the FIRST people to try pandora, almost two
years ago.

You keep swinging-and-missing.


- BTW you really love your computer's internet.
- Have you tried "interfacing" with the female port yet?
- It's probably more exciting than teh blow-up doll you've been using.

SFTV - Our SuperHero "Hybrid Digital" Man speaks and
reveals what : Rings His Bell ! -and- Blows His Whistle !

jftfoi ~ RHF

Skybird October 10th 07 07:54 AM

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David Eduardo wrote:

wrote in message
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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.



The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.


Not exactly. The listeners only get to choose from among the songs
appearing on a master list which is compiled by someone in the industry.
If a particular song isn't on that list, the listeners obviously can't
choose it for a station's playlist. So the question is, who is the
mystery person that compiles the master list of songs? That person holds
the power of deciding what songs can be chosen by the listeners for the
station playlist.

Steven October 10th 07 08:21 AM

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On Oct 10, 12:54 am, Skybird wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message
roups.com...


The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.


The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.


Not exactly. The listeners only get to choose from among the songs
appearing on a master list which is compiled by someone in the industry.
If a particular song isn't on that list, the listeners obviously can't
choose it for a station's playlist. So the question is, who is the
mystery person that compiles the master list of songs? That person holds
the power of deciding what songs can be chosen by the listeners for the
station playlist.


Death metal in AM stereo is still a fond memory during the Las Vegas
IBOC trials in 2002.


[email protected] October 10th 07 12:07 PM

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On Oct 10, 2:54 am, Skybird wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message
roups.com...


The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.


The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.


Not exactly. The listeners only get to choose from among the songs
appearing on a master list which is compiled by someone in the industry.
If a particular song isn't on that list, the listeners obviously can't
choose it for a station's playlist. So the question is, who is the
mystery person that compiles the master list of songs? That person holds
the power of deciding what songs can be chosen by the listeners for the
station playlist.


That's why Pandora, Last.FM, and Slacker cream HD Radio:

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hdr....fm/?metric=uv


IBOCcrock October 10th 07 12:49 PM

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On Oct 3, 8:52 am, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
THIS DISCUSSION IS OFF-TOPIC FOR REC.AUDIO.TECH
(AND REC.AUDIO.CAR, FOR THAT MATTER)
PLEASE DROP REC.AUDIO.TECH FROM THIS DISCUSSION


SHUT THE **** UP !



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